No longer getting dances, but continuing to talk to your ATF in the club?

Dancers only will pay attention to you if you spend money. Get it out of your head that you are more than a walking wallet. When you dont spend money, they write you off as a waste of time and word will quickly spread to every girl they know, that you are a waste of time.

Everything you have posted about this crap shows one thing, your cheap and want shit for free of for a bargain. Guess what it wont work, so just put on your big boy pants and go call an incall escort service.

Guys like you are a dime a dozen and it takes a hard line to get it through your thick skulls. You are not special in any way once your wallet is empty. Your $2400 wont even register when they are paying their taxes, its just a drop in a line item total. You dont deserve special treatment as you are but one of millions of cheapass bargain hunters who have blown their wad and think they deserve something extra.

Dancers are dancers because they are not escorts. Escorts are sometimes dancers but not the other way.

You keep trying to cut out the middle man ie the club, is your downfall, because you met the dancers in the club, so save yourself some typing and just take your cheap ass to the escort service. They will play with you and use toys and be naked and dance and fuck cause its what they do, and you will be in and out in an hour or less, probably much less considering your constant bargain hunting attitude.

Omega, you said, escorts are sometimes dancers but not the other way around. If escorts are dancers, then those dancers are also escorts lol...

Omega, im not saying i want a bargain. If i know a dancer I expect to at some point, cut out the middleman. Im not saying she has to break her boundaries and do sex or something she doesnt want. But im saying i do want dances outside the club eventually whilst cutting out the middleman.

If i wanted a bargain I would be asking the club to give me discounts. This is just common sense stuff, if you’re paying a personal trainer, or stripper, a fee through a gym/club, eventually you may set up something personal with them and cut out the middleman. Millions of people do this.

It is not true they just see you as a wallet. Each situation is specific to each client and dancer. Some like their clients genuinely.

Omega, show me how many customers are spending $2400 a month, particularly on one single girl at one single club. It is rare. And i could do it every month but obviously not the same lapdance thing. $2400 a month of which club keeps half, yoire paying a quarter of the clubs rent and half of the dancers monthly rent.

Yeah a one time instance of $2400 wont register on a dancer or clubs income taxes, but every month surely will. At that level youre paying serious bills of theirs

Not everyone is an old man so if you’re a younger guy, similar age to the dancers they may genuinely like you as a friend or more

Omega, those pictures on your profile aren’t even women in your clubs or women you know...

I pretty much talk to anyone I've ever gotten dances from. I might not get dances anymore, but I still talk to them periodically. Most of them don't stick around very long if I'm not spending money, but they're still polite.

I'm still in contact with quite a few dancers who aren't dancing anymore. They range from good friends to someone who might fuck me one day.

I used to talk to my ATF quite a lot, and for quite a few years, after she quit.

Heaving and George, you dont think it causes a problem if you for instance spend thousands a month on her but then stop getting dances entirely and only get dances from other dancers? I havent done tjat before, like I have gotten one or two dances from someone tjen stopped, and things are still polite when i see them. But i havent yet, consistly been seeing someone weekly and stopped. But we’ll see what happens

This dancer, got annoyed when I wanted to do a $200 vip with her. Cuz the previous weeks i did $600. She actually refused doing the dance entirely, waited around, got a dance with someone else, then eventually agreed to the $200.

@BTE: "you dont think it causes a problem if you for instance spend thousands a month"

It doesn't cause a problem for me.

Georg i dont mean staying in touch outside the club or text

Its more like you were a regular for one dancer but then you become a regular for another dancer. That original dancer would still be seeing you and noticing you stopped being her regular and started being someone else’s regular

If youre only in touxh oitside the club, they dont know the situation and that yoire someone else’s regular etc

@BTE I never said they worked in my clubs, I just posted them because they are pretty.

Omega you’ll probably never get dances from them

And Omega, cutting out the middleman is a natural part of how the world works.

I think we’ve discussed so far, strippers, escort agencies, car mechanics, gym trainers. All these people once they trust and like each other, theyll set up private meetups. Example, my friend had a golds gym trainer who he now gets private training from. Middleman cut out.

Heres another example. Consulting company deloitte, has a client, bank of america. Bank of America pays deloitte consultants $200 per hour. Of that $200 an hour, deloitte only pays their employees $40 an hour. Once Bank of America knows and trusts the deloitte consultant enough, they personally hire the deloitte consultant for $80 or $100 an hour. Bank of America wins, the deloitte consultant wins, the deloitte company loses out, but they rehire and retrain a new consultant to do the same thing.

The idea of cutting out the middleman exists in every Industry that has a middlman. Another example, you buy milk at the grocery store. If you’re willing to buy enough milk, enough volume, you would be able to directly contact the milk company, and buy milk from them directly, at a discount compared to the grocery store.

You seem to get very angry over this concept, to the point of claiming people are bargain hunters, evil, cheap bastards, greedy, lazy, etc. yet it’s literally how the entire world works. If you have clubs you should know more than most people about this concept. Nearly every industry has this concept of cutting out the middleman. As a business owner, you obviously have a bias against it and hate it happening just like deloitte, golds gym etc hate when tjeir employees and clients do it.

But omegs, yoir hatred seems quite excessive. I mean you apparently want to go around charging people for rape anytime they arrange something concensual OTC with a dancer. That isnt normal behavior. It happens in every industry, including strip clubs and escort agencies. Anytime a company is charging higher for products/employees you create the scenario that encourages this.

BTE. You seem to overthink things. I think you need to go to a club, have some drinks and have a good time without thinking too much. Maybe even get laid. Strip clubs are supposed to be a form of fun and relaxation. Not something that makes you think so much about what coulda, shoulda or mighta.

Mike, Are you referring to OP , or the post i made to omega

If its regarding omegas comments, this may not be ideal for you, but the concept of cutting out the middleman exists in every industry. I mentioned numerous examples. Even high level companies like google engage in this. So everyone is a bargain hunter apparently, even billionaires

You’re not cutting out the middleman you’re trying to bypass a legitimate venue that’s able to host this industry, without the club you’re SOL when it comes to meeting these ladies

^ I should have said legitimate and necessary

Twentyfive you obviously dodnt read the other examples

Yeah and neither would google find consultants without deloitte, neither would people find trainers without gyms, neither would consumers find milk companies without the grocery store, etc...

Its all cutting out the middleman and happens everywhere.

Its not subjective or debatable, anytime you have one company charging a higher price but paying their employees only a portion of that price, you end up with cutting out the middleman situation.

===> "You keep trying to cut out the middle man ie the club, is your downfall, because you met the dancers in the club, so save yourself some typing and just take your cheap ass to the escort service."

===> "Dancers are dancers because they are not escorts. Escorts are sometimes dancers but not the other way."

Tbh Omega you're coming across a lot more like a bitter burnt out stripper than a club owner with a broader understanding of human behavior.

For starters Mr. Citizens Arrest (lol), you don't own the girls who purportedly dance in your clubs. What they do on their own time is their own affair, including OTC with someone they meet in the club. If they are doing something illegal with guys off premises, that is their business, not yours.

On the broader topic, in any place where girls are willing to get naked and rub on guys for money and said guys are willing to pay well for that, there will be guys and gals willing to take it one step further. On any given night at strip clubs all over the country, plenty of cars are heading to places other than straight to their homes. It has been happening as long as I've been clubbing and probably as long as clubs have existed.

With all that said, the only truly weird part of this discussion is that this goofy ass troll account is talking about offsite LDs rather than what normally happens when guys pay girls to go OTC. Maybe he's impotent of insecure, IDK, but I can't imagine many girls trusting this offer and/or not getting creeped out by the oddity of it. But even still if a girl agrees what she is selling is access to her own ass, which you do not own.

Not willing to speculate if your just trolling or a bit slow, there is no middleman, the girls work for themselves, at a venue provided by another business, just like you are thinking about this as if they could ply their trade in a flea market, even if they could there would be costs that would be necessary and someone has to pay for them. A middle man would be buying the goods to be resold at a higher price, the clubs are adding value whether you see it or not, but a "Dancer" won't open a storefront and all by herself constitute a venue, she'll need a lot more than that, so stop being a jerk like Iceefag and argueing for the sake of argueing.

Twentyfive, the value of a club is that clients and dancers have a safe, legal place to meet. The more a client and dancer knows each other the more value the club loses, hence all the OTC.

The situation with strippers is almost exactly the situation that occurs with escort agencies. Many escorts who work for agencies, if theu trust the client enough, will give the client their personal number and arrange stuff without the agency so they directly pay the escort. Of course they met through the agencu, but with time and trust they move outside the agency.

Its the same with personal trainers, consultants/contractors... contractors many times will start working directly for the company they were previously contracting with

Dancers cant afford to open a storefront. Neither can milk companies open costco or target, neither can consultants open up a deloitte.

Twentyfive, just to clarify i am talking about dancers where the club keeps a lot of their fees from dances. Like they charge customers $400 and the dancer only keeps half. That is almost exactly like the situation where, deloitte charges google $200 an hour for an analyst that they only pay $40 an hour. Then you see cases where eventually the deloitte employee quits and works directly at google for $100 an hour or something.

So if the dancer only has to pay like $20 or $40 fee and otherwise keeps all her earnings from dances, its not so relevant.

Clubs are adding value but the value dissipates the more trust an individual client and dancer gain for each other. Clubs main value is providing a safe legal venue to meet.

That was a whole lot to read in the OP. Think I got the gist but TL;DR. If it's only been a month don't worry about it. 4 visits in 4 weeks I've done for clubs to see what's up, not really for dancers. If you can't tell where a dancer is at after a couple of visits and she's not top quality, cut bait and move on.

Is the dancer really an ATF at that point if she's not providing what you're looking for?

Omega, those pictures on your profile aren’t even women in your clubs or women you know...

Wallanon im not sure. Her personality is better than most other dancers. How long does it take after seeing a dancer before otc comes up?

@BTE: "Georg i dont mean staying in touch outside the club or text"

Neither do I.

Georg you mentioned this

I'm still in contact with quite a few dancers who aren't dancing anymore. They range from good friends to someone who might fuck me one day.

I used to talk to my ATF quite a lot, and for quite a few years, after she quit.

All relationships in a club, and in real life as well, have a shelf life. Long or short, it's limited. I've never had a stripper go bonkers when ours expired, nor have I. Though there was that one that ended badly because of a fucking drunk driver.

Rick i have mentioned previously the reasons for lapdances OTC

There is incentive if the club keeps a big portion of lapdance fees.

So an OTC lapdance would let you get more time for the same amount of $ or pay less

The lapdance could also be higher mileage. In places where clubs require thongs for instance, a private lapdance could be full nude.

The car or mall fitting room lapdance has the advantages of convenience, and safety, and no fees

Rick, im not a troll

Twentyfive, just to clarify i am talking about dancers where the club keeps a lot of their fees from dances. Like they charge customers $400 and the dancer only keeps half. That is almost exactly like the situation where, deloitte charges google $200 an hour for an analyst that they only pay $40 an hour. Then you see cases where eventually the deloitte employee quits and works directly at google for $100 an hour or something.<<<<<<<<

There is a remedy for that It's called the free market, as long as most dancers are IC statused they are free agents, if the club takes too much they are free to leave and go to another club, work from home or even open their own club. In your example where the employee goes to work directly for Google there will be a lawsuit filed by Deloite for poaching their employee, it reall isn't applicable nor is the example relevant to this convo, except for as I stated earlier you just want to keep arguing.

No deloitte cant file a lawsuit are you kidding me twentyfive did you just pull that out of nowhere...? Now yoire just making things up. That scenario with google and deloitte happens everyday, regularly and deloitte cant go after them.

No this is how it works ill spell it out since you keep claiming it somehow isn’t applicable or relevant.

If your looking for an analyst you can post a listing online searching for one. Or you can go to deloitte or big 4 and get one for $200 an hour. Eventually if you establish a relationship you could directly pay that deloitte analyst and pay just $100 an hour.

If your looking for a stripper you could pay her $300 an hour in the club. Or eventually you could pay her directly and pay $150 or more an hour.

You could pay golds gym trainer $200 an hour or you could pay them privately and pay $50 an hour.

So i dont know whats so hard to understand about this concept twentyfive, you are either arguing for the sake of arguing, or incapable or too arrogant to admit wjen youre wrong.

It doesnt matter what industry, or job or anything you’re talking about anytime you have a situation with a middleman where one company is paying one person for something but charging consumers much higher price, you create a scenario where consumers may deal directly with the workers you had.

It happens not just with strippers, it happens also with escorts who work via escort agencies, and it also happens even with car mechanics, and consultants, tech workers, gym trainers and more.

In fact it even happens with nike shoes, sometimes nike shoes are available much cheaper directly from the nike website compared to footlocker or another retail store.

Yeah twentyfive except most dancers wanting money will do both things as you should already know, they will offer OTC and possibly otc lapdances while also remaining in the club. They benefit from the club because they get exposure to new clients, and then they can also do otc with established clients.

If strippers or deloitte workers had funding to create their own club or company they obviously wouldnt be working as a stripper or consultant.

So the fact is, if the club is keeping a crazy amount like half, or even 25% of a dancers dance fees that will create a potential where dancers will do more OTC and deal directly with clients. It doesnt hapoen with every dancer, cuz obviously the dancers have to trust the client not to expose them, and have to trust the client.

So its not about whats legal or not or right or not, but the fact is people will engage in private arrangements if given the opportunity and incentives. It happens very often with dancers, trainers, escorts and everything mentioned before.

You are just arguing now, I spent 40 plus years in the construction industry, worked as a Subcontractor with my own company, on many major projects, even though I was a sub I had many employees, and I would be hired to perform certain tasks on a major contract, one of the things that was in every contract between me and the prime contractor was an agreement about my employees could not be hired by the prime contractor. I'm sure a major accounting firm like Deloitte, would have the same language in their contract with Google, sorry but you're wrong and I am 100% positive if the scenario you are posing were to occur Google would lose in court.

I work in the finance industry and I can confirm the whole consultant to employee jump is common- although there are reasons why the consultant likes being a consultant and why the company likes hiring them over an employee. I cannot speak on other industries practice with consulting.

Also why's no one else talking about hiring strippers for hour long dances in mall dressing rooms. This man might be onto something! Texting my ATF now.

^ Yes the hiring of consultants Is common, his description of an analyst as an employee provided by one firm to another is a completely different issue, you are saying pretty much what I am saying, BTE is not.

Thats incorrect given the thousands of people who get hired by the banks or even government agencies they were formerly contractors for. Maybe its different in construction, and different when it comes to subcontract companies

And it doesnt really matter if you want to nitpick when it comes to consultants, there are still car mechanics, strippers, escorts, gym trainers who do this. And sure it isnt allowed by the companies they employ, but thats why its done secretly and many trainers continue their regular jobs while also having private clients. Some escorts or trainers become totally independent if they can attain enough independent clients

“^ Yes the hiring of consultants Is common, his description of an analyst as an employee provided by one firm to another is a completely different issue, you are saying pretty much what I am saying, BTE is not.”

Twentyfive, an analyst is a consultant. Same thing. Bitcoinhodler is saying the same thing im saying... Consultant to employee jump is talking about the deloitte consultant jumping to a google or bank of America employee for instance

I havent seen an example with google but i have seen it happen with numerous other tech or finance companies, especially with managers.
For instance one person was working with bank of america, and BoA gave them a significantly higher offer to work for them directly. And while it is significantly higher pay for the consultant, BoA would actually be saving lots of money

For most of these larger accounting consulting firms, they are charging companies $200 an hour to use their employees, but only paying those employees $40 an hour. So the other company could come in, offer the employee $60 or $80 an hour

But it doesnt matter too much since the consulting companies find new people and repeat the process

Jesus - I'm going back to look at the pictures

So you're saying an analyst is a consultant, always ? check this out

Analyst vs. Consultant: What's the Difference? | Indeed.comhttps://indeed.com › ... › Career Development Mar 11, 2021 — However, many consultants work on an independent contractor basis, whereas analysts are typically hired full time by an organization. Both jobs ... ‎What Is An Analyst? · ‎Business Analyst · ‎What Is A Consultant?

No not always but a deloitte analyst or analyst at consulting firm likely will always be one. There are internal analysts too.

If youre a client facing employee at deloitte, you’ll be an employee of deloitte but an independent contractor working for google or whoever your client is.

And usually in the client facing position your employer will be charging way more for you than what they actually pay you, thats how they make their money.

2400 for lap dance to one dancer within 4 weeks and she does not care you?Stop taking dances with her. Find a another dancer with whom you can develop betterrelationship.

Is the op a reincarnation of Juice?

Champphilly i don’t understand what you’re saying... It was 4 separate dances of $600 each

This was alot of sh*t to read and I must say I skimmed over it. So @BigThirdEye I'd say keep it cool and continue to acknowledge the one stripper you dropped $2400 on, but spend money on other strippers and it's a good chance your experiences will top, exceed and come in below Ms. $2400.

Yes 4x600 to one stripper. Once you develop a rapport, don’t spent more than 300in a visit to same girl. Also, if you show too much dependence on one girl, she will rip you off in thousands for nothing.

Why not more than 300 friend What happens