So with experience you will know that clubs have thier high times and low times. Well last winter one of my favorite spots had a bad stretch of bad ambiance, low quality girls, and low mileage. I must have been drunk and wrote a bad review on another forum. Recently I went back to said club and the quality has increased but I noticed some of the girls I developed good rapport with were pretty much ignoring me to the point it was comical. Then a bartender who I went back years with came around and jokingly called me a "spy". It felt wierd. I definitely didnt leave enough clues to out myself but I guess women arent dumb either.
Has anyone every figured out who you were? I guess posting 100 reviews on this site doesnt help my cause either.
Hardly any dancer I've mentioned TUSCL to had ever heard of it and mostdidn't seem to have any interest in the website (I've mentioned TUSCL to some dancers as a way they can find/research better-clubs).
Na I jump around way too much to even think about that. But at one point I was a regular and it did cross mind. Some of these guys are one club wonders and they are very specific, small club probably wouldn't be hard to figure it out.
I've asked a few girls about the site. None of them had heard about it. But even when I mentioned it to them, I never reveled my screen name. Other than the TUSCLers that I have personally met, no one knows who Warrior15 is. And I'm like Muddy, I'm not in one club or even one city for anyone to get to know me real well. I love variety .
To the best of my knowledge, I've never been identified by any club or dancer. If I have, then no one ever mentioned it to me.
I also don't discuss TUSCL in the clubs. However, the reviews I've written are usually right after I return home, or perhaps the following day at the latest. If I describe some unique experience that happened "last night" then it's entirely possible someone reading reviews could put 2 and 2 together pretty easily.
No, and I do not use TUSCL in the clubs for this reason. I might, maybe, log on if I'm pretty sure that club sucks and I'm deciding where to head next.
Dancer awareness of this site has grown locally, but it's far from pervasive. I had one dancer warily ask me, "Do you post reviews?" To which I replied, "Where would I do that?" As far as I can tell, letting a dancer know that I'm active here won't help me but it might hurt me.
There has been at least one instance where a PL posted a graphic review here identifying specific extras and the dancer's stage name. Another PL read that review, went to the club, asked that dancer about those specific extras. When she turned him down, the PL got pissed and showed her the review in order to shame her into doing what he wanted.
Not only did that not work, but the review was detailed enough for her to directly link the review to her (up until then) favored regular, who never again got access to her naughty bits.
some years ago i made the stupid error of telling a girl my handle on another site. eventually got me banned. and she cut me off from her delightful service when she found out about me and México.
One time somebody literally showed up at the club, identified me, literally asked if I was “nicespice” and asked for dances. He claimed he didn’t even have a tuscl account, but since I had linked the club to my profile, with a tentative schedule, he went ahead and decided to go to that club.
Another time I was at my home club and I suspect the person was a tuscler, but wasn’t able to really find out. Mostly because he didn’t fit the demographics of most patrons there, and seemed to make a beeline right towards me. But I was busy with a customer I hadn’t seen in months and who is terminally ill…so I couldn’t find out more.
And then when I auditioned at and stuck around for dayshift at this one club in Phoenix, I met this one patron there at that time. He hyped up Hi-liter and said I had to do dayshift there, and rotate elsewhere for night if I’m club hopping, especially if I was a traveler and said it would be a club that fit me well. Anyways, after 2 shifts I disagree with him about it being a good fit for me personally, but he was sweet and I ended up running into him and chatted with him over at hi-liter too a few days later. But he used certain phrases like “air dance” and I think one or two other things that made me wonder about him. I probably should have asked to his face if he was ever active on tuscl or USASG but never did 😅
@Icey, what's there to gain from talking about it?
Is it like saying you're a Yelp reviewer thinking it'll get you better service?
Hey, you better give better than air dances or I'll slime you on TUSCL?
Of course Icey hasn’t. With all the bitches and hoes he has that are madly in love with him, they would absolutely follow him to this site to be even closer to him and have the chance to be around him more. Especially since Icey spends so much time on tuscl instead of hanging out with them.
I had a favorite mention the site to me and mentioned a comment about one (not her) of the girls in a review of her club. I did admit to being the one to make the comment, which she thought was witty and spot on. Other than that one time I've never mentioned this site to a dancer.
Back in the early aughts out to about 2013, sfredbook absolutely dominated the bay area (and beyond) sexwork scene, to the point that all the forums and advertisers (craigslist etc) had practically no traction here. Redbook had forums on pretty much every topic, that again dominated discussion of virtually all sex services -- escorting, AMPs, FBSM, Pro domination, and of course strip clubs. On a side note, as a customers-uber-alles philosophy, it also put incredible power in the hands of customers in ways that were pretty atrocious for the providers.
Anyway! The strip clubs forums were, again, big for SC forums though small compared to the others. Discussion was fairly explicit for forums (reviews were in a separate area ala tuscl, always reviews of strippers, not strip clubs, and very explicit including sexual acts and prices). With no written or cultural rules against either details or any level of talk, there were some pretty terrible misogynistic forum members, say terrible things about women in general, every girl they came into contact with, etc. Occasionally the girls would start doing some detective work to put a particular poster's comments and review details together, work out who he is, and hound him out of the club. They did sometimes identify other posters, share that information among themselves, and those posters would sometimes find some segment of the girls wouldn't interact with him anymore; although this was often temporary, stripper turnover is often fast and a year later, it was back to usual.
I've always obfuscated details a bit, on every forum, just to make it a little more difficult for that to happen. Though I've never seen any evidence that strippers have widespread k nowledge of tuscl like they did of sfredbook
Years ago when Z-Bone was alive and kicking in Los Angeles, a Spearmint Rhino dancer named Frosty (who was also a participant on Z-Bone) figured out who I was from my very detailed reviews and times when i was there. She was incredible in VIP, though I never posted about her exploits specifically.
More recently, a dancer who once posted here walked up to me at Hi-Liter and literally said, "Hello Chili Palmer" and then walked away. I'd posted a less than flattering description of her and she wanted me to know she knew who I was. Never caused any drama, quite the opposite. We started talking, then she'd do laps, and it turns out her oral skills were quite impressive.
I never talked about ASS-C, Z-Bone, StripperWeb or TUSCL in a club. What would the point be?
At Follies there was a seat (actually one on each side of the club) that was known on tuscl as "the shadowcat corner". Best seats in the house. One day I was lucky and got that seat. A dancer I did not know came up to me and asked if I was shadowcat. I played dumb and said I don't know what that is. She said never mind and moved on.
I also had a ROB go after me in tuscl messages after I left a ROB review on her. From how she described me in her insults she had mapped my handle to some other guy in the club. I wonder how that went for him the next time he dropped in.
^^^
There is a former Follies manager that knows that my "nick name" is shadowcat but he does not know why or the connection to TUSCL. He just knows some people call me that.
In my view, there is more downside to a dancer connecting a customer with their TUSCL name. I’d rather not open anyone up to the potential Pandora’s box of detail that is available here.
Chili brought up ass-c. I was not part of ass-c in the very early days, but do remember those earliest days at New Century Theater and then at Chez Paree. In those early days, the strippers didn't quite know what to make of usenet, but a number of more entrepreneurial ones decided that it was an opportunity for extended outreach. There was a small group of strippers that became associated with the ass-c guys, and it wasn't uncommon for TRs to end with ass-cers and some strippers going down the street to a local diner at 2am (Cafe Mason, maybe???) together. Over time things turned and the girls started resenting any sort of online discussion about them, and that's the way it's always been since then -- smartest for PLs to adopt Fight Club rules rather than Crossfit rules when it comes to this.
"I definitely didnt leave enough clues to out myself but I guess women arent dumb either."
There are cliques in clubs, but there's also people who are much tighter than you think they are until they tell you what the deal is. Not just BFFs à la my first ATF and the girl I tried to swap her with, but like spouses and family. You need to give a little to get little, but whatever you say to anyone assume it could be repeated. That's a life thing, not just a club thing. Plus a club full of brains trying to figure something out just might hit on something. I sometimes get razzed when my reviews go up weeks and maybe a few months after the fact, but there's a reason for that. And I still filter them. Hell, now that I've scaled back the travel (thanks COVID) I don't even write them anymore.
Has anyone every figured out who you were?
Dancers I've told know. Managers I don't ever tell because they talk and I'd be marked in every club two towns out from where I live. But like I said people talk, so it's possible dancers I don't know well (like dancers I met through TUSCL to swap stories and monies) passed it on. Other customers I've hit clubs with from TUSCL have all been cool, but the once or twice I've seen myself in a random review by strangers they weren't like wallanon this or wallanon that. That's also why I wait on reviews, because it would be awkward as fuck for me to post about a notable thing from my visit right next to somebody else talking about it in their review (TUSCL meetups excepted).
In the many years I have visited this site and others, I have only had one dancer ever asked if I wrote one review about her. While I had written several reviews of the club, and mentioned her name, the review she thought I wrote wasn't mine.
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Hardly any dancer I've mentioned TUSCL to had ever heard of it and mostdidn't seem to have any interest in the website (I've mentioned TUSCL to some dancers as a way they can find/research better-clubs).
I also don't discuss TUSCL in the clubs. However, the reviews I've written are usually right after I return home, or perhaps the following day at the latest. If I describe some unique experience that happened "last night" then it's entirely possible someone reading reviews could put 2 and 2 together pretty easily.
There has been at least one instance where a PL posted a graphic review here identifying specific extras and the dancer's stage name. Another PL read that review, went to the club, asked that dancer about those specific extras. When she turned him down, the PL got pissed and showed her the review in order to shame her into doing what he wanted.
Not only did that not work, but the review was detailed enough for her to directly link the review to her (up until then) favored regular, who never again got access to her naughty bits.
Another time I was at my home club and I suspect the person was a tuscler, but wasn’t able to really find out. Mostly because he didn’t fit the demographics of most patrons there, and seemed to make a beeline right towards me. But I was busy with a customer I hadn’t seen in months and who is terminally ill…so I couldn’t find out more.
And then when I auditioned at and stuck around for dayshift at this one club in Phoenix, I met this one patron there at that time. He hyped up Hi-liter and said I had to do dayshift there, and rotate elsewhere for night if I’m club hopping, especially if I was a traveler and said it would be a club that fit me well. Anyways, after 2 shifts I disagree with him about it being a good fit for me personally, but he was sweet and I ended up running into him and chatted with him over at hi-liter too a few days later. But he used certain phrases like “air dance” and I think one or two other things that made me wonder about him. I probably should have asked to his face if he was ever active on tuscl or USASG but never did 😅
Is it like saying you're a Yelp reviewer thinking it'll get you better service?
Hey, you better give better than air dances or I'll slime you on TUSCL?
Anyway! The strip clubs forums were, again, big for SC forums though small compared to the others. Discussion was fairly explicit for forums (reviews were in a separate area ala tuscl, always reviews of strippers, not strip clubs, and very explicit including sexual acts and prices). With no written or cultural rules against either details or any level of talk, there were some pretty terrible misogynistic forum members, say terrible things about women in general, every girl they came into contact with, etc. Occasionally the girls would start doing some detective work to put a particular poster's comments and review details together, work out who he is, and hound him out of the club. They did sometimes identify other posters, share that information among themselves, and those posters would sometimes find some segment of the girls wouldn't interact with him anymore; although this was often temporary, stripper turnover is often fast and a year later, it was back to usual.
I've always obfuscated details a bit, on every forum, just to make it a little more difficult for that to happen. Though I've never seen any evidence that strippers have widespread k nowledge of tuscl like they did of sfredbook
More recently, a dancer who once posted here walked up to me at Hi-Liter and literally said, "Hello Chili Palmer" and then walked away. I'd posted a less than flattering description of her and she wanted me to know she knew who I was. Never caused any drama, quite the opposite. We started talking, then she'd do laps, and it turns out her oral skills were quite impressive.
I never talked about ASS-C, Z-Bone, StripperWeb or TUSCL in a club. What would the point be?
At Follies there was a seat (actually one on each side of the club) that was known on tuscl as "the shadowcat corner". Best seats in the house. One day I was lucky and got that seat. A dancer I did not know came up to me and asked if I was shadowcat. I played dumb and said I don't know what that is. She said never mind and moved on.
I also had a ROB go after me in tuscl messages after I left a ROB review on her. From how she described me in her insults she had mapped my handle to some other guy in the club. I wonder how that went for him the next time he dropped in.
There is a former Follies manager that knows that my "nick name" is shadowcat but he does not know why or the connection to TUSCL. He just knows some people call me that.
There are cliques in clubs, but there's also people who are much tighter than you think they are until they tell you what the deal is. Not just BFFs à la my first ATF and the girl I tried to swap her with, but like spouses and family. You need to give a little to get little, but whatever you say to anyone assume it could be repeated. That's a life thing, not just a club thing. Plus a club full of brains trying to figure something out just might hit on something. I sometimes get razzed when my reviews go up weeks and maybe a few months after the fact, but there's a reason for that. And I still filter them. Hell, now that I've scaled back the travel (thanks COVID) I don't even write them anymore.
Has anyone every figured out who you were?
Dancers I've told know. Managers I don't ever tell because they talk and I'd be marked in every club two towns out from where I live. But like I said people talk, so it's possible dancers I don't know well (like dancers I met through TUSCL to swap stories and monies) passed it on. Other customers I've hit clubs with from TUSCL have all been cool, but the once or twice I've seen myself in a random review by strangers they weren't like wallanon this or wallanon that. That's also why I wait on reviews, because it would be awkward as fuck for me to post about a notable thing from my visit right next to somebody else talking about it in their review (TUSCL meetups excepted).