Why do most strippers consider kissing more intimate than sex?

I think this is something only dancers can really answer

Good question.

Endless, 'spice, Nina , Blah ??? Anyone want to answer this ?

"... I think this is something only dancers can really answer ..."

And I don't think they may be able to explain it - probably just something they feel?

“No kissing. It’s too personal”

~ Vivian Ward
~ Prostitute. Hooker. High-priced call girl. Lady of the night. Escort. Whatever you want to call Pretty Woman‘s Vivian Ward, (1990 American Romantic Comedy film) we all know what she did to pay the rent.

~Kissing may seem like the first step to a decent hookup, but never forget that schoolyard song: as soon as you sit in a tree and start kissing, you fall in love.

~ And you might end up with a broken heart.

One told me that kissing led to her getting pregnant.

Also at the present time Covid is also having an affect because it is an easy way of transmitting it.

Can't wait till 12 noon PST tomorrow when SJG comes to post unibomber manifestos detailing why you are all wrong.

You're a fucking Buffoon CJKunt. Only stupid people cut and paste like you boy.

This is a really easy question to answer. Strippers have learned to separate their vaginas from their hearts. It is nothing more than a tool that is used for generating cash. Much like a boxer uses his hands. It is not so easy to do that with lips, there is a very direct connection to the heart, so the brain cannot step in redirect the message.

I think it will be useful to hear dancer insights regarding this question.

I think SJG will post a long detailed account of his front room DFK experiences, and explain how he was a true ladies man during his one trip to a strip club in the 1990’s.

^ Since I have SJG on Ignore, I'll miss all of the FRMOS reports. But is everyone noticing that the girls are ignoring this thread ? None of them want to answer.

I don't find that to be the case. In my experience some do, but far from most. 25% maybe?

I think the biggest reason is because our culture decided it was. Growing up, a lot of movies I remember that would have a dramatic scene about a kiss were the high school rom coms and the guy and the girl finally both figure out they like each other. Or hero movies and *dramatic music is playing in the background when it happens* And of course the outright romance movies like The Notebook has super heavy emphasis on romance and makeout scenes last a decent amount of time.

Movie scenes about non-romantic hookups might or might not portray making out, but if kissing is involved then it’s super brief.

Also, if one is fucking it’s easier to do the act and it’s easier for your brain to wander off and think about the groceries you need to buy later that day or something. Kissing is more up close and it’s tougher to not focus on the person in front of you. Oh yeah, and apparently biologically, women tend to unconsciously use kissing as a screening tool to pick up on a guy’s pheromones to determine how suitable or not he is as a procreating partner. So kissing can either increase attachment or increase how disgusted one ends up feeling in the situation. And in pay for play situations it’s better to just simply perform well without having to deal with that.

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Also LOL at TFP 😂 I think this thread will end up being like catnip for him

I think that control, for lack of a better word, has a lot to do with it. Being a successful dancer requires allowing access to a lot of areas. However, kissing is something that dancers can safely declare off-limits without jeopardizing their income. This is particularly the case where the dancer has a significant other.

I think the ratio is probably about 4:1 no:yes on the kissing question.

Interesting information Nice. I had no idea women used kissing as a sub-conscious screening tool to weed out the “no go’s”. I don’t think I have ever attempted the heavy make out session with a dancer nor had one move in on me. Guess it would definitely be the GFE. I have had one who said at the start of VIP no kissing allowed but I just thought that was standard.

Honestly I don’t think I have ever thought of the make out sessions before. Doubt I have enough of SJG’s game to pull it off anyway.

@spice “Kissing is more up close and it’s tougher to not focus on the person in front of you…” who is an old, disgusting loser who you wouldn’t talk to, let alone touch, if he weren’t paying you $10 a minute.

Finishing the thought Spice was too polite to post.

I’m no doctor but I would guess fewer germs, viruses are transmitted by a blowjob than a kiss, even taking into account a load of cum in the mouth. With a condom it no contest.

Plus kissing is way more intimate. A paid-for blowjob can be a pretty impersonal act, whereas kissing suggests a two-way sexual chemistry or attraction.

Bottom line, a lot of whores can hold their nose, so to speak, and give any unattractive PL and blowjob, but not kiss them.

I enjoy a good kiss with a beautiful young woman. I remember back in the early 80’s in Raleigh, NC going to clubs there. Everything happened on stage. There were no table dances or VIP rooms, etc. For a dollar tip the dancer would give you a kiss on the lips. It was often just a peck but a few girls would give you a lot of tongue and seemed rally passionate about the kiss. As the fear of AIDS grew that practice stopped. Now I get the occasional peck during a private dance but really sensual kisses are rare. I miss that. And yea I get it back in the day I was trading germs with every guy in the club, but I never got sick from it.

Man - too late on the nipples-in-the-mouth. ITHOTM (In the heat of the moment), it's hard to deny nipples hovering millimeters away from my mouth, my BB dick doing likewise in front of her mouth, or her glistening pussy beckoning millimeters away from my probing tongue.

Oddly, as we're saying, kissing (French or otherwise) seems to be the least proffered joy, but I'll seize when offered.

Kissing is very intimate. Your faces are so close. You see every pore. You feel and taste each other's breath. Exchange saliva. Taste each other. Hold each other close.

Sex is mechanical. You pay stick your dick inside and cum and go. Same with oral. It's contact with genitals and that's all they see it as.

But they'll have certain techniques or positions they won't do with tricks coz they're intimate for them and they enjoy them.

When a dancer really likes you she doesn't get hypersexual with you. It's the opposite. She gets shy and nervous dancing for you. It's her job not who she is. When she feels for you her body becomes something she shares with you in an intimate way. Yeah you can see her at work. But the dynamic is very different at that stage.

In the nineties a Favorite of mine would seat with me at the booth and make out with me, like we were teenagers as foreplay before dances.

She told once me another dancer asked her:

Q: Why do you kiss 💋 him, is he your boyfriend?

A: Because I like him and I want to, he is not my boyfriend.

Since covid I haven't found any strippers who kiss. I really miss it. It seemed that before covid there was always at least one stripper in my rotation who did lip service.

I think the most common is she has a boyfriend/husband and saves kissing for him.

My favorite's willingness to kiss me is directly related to how she feels about her open relationship boyfriend on that day.

@Nicespice I still remember your thread about going to the club as a neurodivergent. SJG bumped that shit for months, well after the conversation had ceased.

Which is why I'm in shock now. A thread about kissing, in the front room, past noon PST, and not one post from SJG??!!

I've overheard girls talk about butterflies in the stomach when they kiss a guy, right up there withthe "door test". I think it kinda makes sense they want to save that for when it counts. Also, a condom is as much a mental barrier as it is a physical barrier for contact during sex, and oral barrier defeats the purpose of kissing even more than cheap condom does fucking.

I think sex is more intimate than kissing.

But with strippers and most other sex workers, most of the guys they deal with treat them as something less than other women.

So they respond to this with sex, to get the money. But they withhold kissing, saving that as the holy grail.

Without the sex industry, no one would see sex as less intimate than kissing, and no one would want sex without kissing.

My own experience is that pro-sex without kissing is no good. But if you can apply some charm and spin the selection process some and get your girl kissing, it will be mind blowing.

And AMP girls have told me that with most customers they "don't feel anything", and that they don't want to feel anything with most people, "I go with the customer, can't feel anything".

Under the surface though they are still ordinary women, it's just that to engage with them in a more personal way, you have to go about it a bit differently. And most important, you select the one you really like.

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I haven't really considered it, but now that I think about it can only recall 4 dancers ever who kissed me. One of my favorites about ten or so years ago would DFK me at least 40% of the time, often as she was giving me a HJ. Another of my favorites would DFK only when getting a half hour dance, because the regular lap dance room was too open. The other two were one off events. One happened in an out of state club, and the other in a local club.

In Germanic cultures like that of the US, people are very stingy with their affection. It's only for close family and friends. Most people want porn-type sex from sex workers, slamming, not affectionate. Omitting the kissing makes it less affectionate. So you might have better luck with this with, say, Italian sex workers (in Italy).

"Kissing is more up close and it’s tougher to not focus on the person in front of you"

I get my lap dances cowgirl style so were face to face, eye contact, forehead to forehead, rubbing noses, brushing cheeks and get a little kisses on the cheek or neck.

34 comments and only one dancer participating. I think that it varies from dancer to dancer, but what they (might) all have in common is not wanting to burst our bubble about how much actual emotional intimacy is going on in VIP.

I think most of you mean hookers. It's looked down upon for a hooker to kiss or offer a gfe coz a hoe should be taught to distinguish a sexual act for money from something she does for pleasure. The 2 are very different things. Otherwise hoeing becomes a mind fuck for her or shows she's really desperate.

If a dancer kisses me in the heat of the moment, I'll kiss back. But yeah, there is something more intimate about that than head or sex. I think mostly because you're looking into each other's eyes, or did to get to that point.

^^ I'm sure that made sense in your head.

Go away, Cacaplop.

This thread has made me realize I need to tip the dancer that DFKs me with intent to smother me more money.

At HK in TJ, repeat visits with the same girls often resulted in DFK. One tiny spinner on my second visit jumped on my lap, straddled me and tried to remove my tonsils with her tongue at the table. I almost didn't need arriba. But we did :)

I assume most dancers don't-like to kiss for the same reasons most PLs like to kiss

Women (dancers or “common girls”) are the most confusing creatures on this planet. My ATF kisses me nonstop when I visit and naturally it’s misleading but considering she’s taken I realize it’s still just a business mixed with some favoritism. As some have said I think some will do this to show appreciation for not treating them as if they are only a sex object and others do it to manipulate. Mr. Sparkling’s post just gave me an idea for a topic related to this one. Good question sir.

I think it really depends on how drunk they are and how much money you spent.

The reason is that strippers have learned to fuck by dissociation. They can also do dry humping and BJ this way.

You don't ever want to go that way with them.

You need to get your girl DFKing, and you do it during the selection process. Front Room Feel Up and Makeout Session. If you can do this, the FS will be mind blowing for both parties.

Don't even think about taking her into the back room until she is blowing your mind in the front room.

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^ exactly that skill has helped me get dancers to be demonstrably reversing themselves about "I don't kiss".

If she declines FRMOS, then DATY in the dance booth, or even right where you are sitting with her.

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