Ever paid for OTC services with other than cash?
shadowcat
Atlanta suburb
I suppose the first thing that comes to mind would be credit card but I don't know how that would work. A couple of years ago I was seeing the same girl OTC almost weekly. So we knew each other pretty well. We usually met on Fridays at my house which was an hour drive for her in good traffic. Early one week she asked if I could advance her some money ahead of our usual Friday meeting. It was a small amount. Only $30. I had no problem with doing that but rather than her driving for 2 hours, she asked if I could just transfer the money to her checking account. I had never done that before and had no idea what the procedure was. I contacted my credit union and it turned out to be fairly simple. As it turned out we both use the same credit union. So All I really needed was her account number and a number following it. She took a photo of her account statement and texted it to me. I aske if $30 was enough. She said it was and I pushed the send button. She never asked again but I would have had no qualms about doing it.
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I've bartered goods (that were not drugs) for OTC before.
When I first saw this title, I thought it referred to a barter, like a ride home for a BJ or something. That I've done. But no bueno for a guy in my situation to be leaving an electronic trail of cash payments to a stripper. Texts are bad enough, but they are a calculated risk and the circumstances can be argued by my [divorce/criminal] attorney (I never negotiate payments over text). But direct evidence of cash transfers to a stripper for a meet outside the hotel - no good.
I'm a little skeptical. I deal with a ton of girls and I don't know a single one who is foolish enough to turn down hard cash. Heck many prefer it so that there is no electronic record. Are you perhaps talking about girls on SA or escort sites?
Cash is king...
I prefer cashapp over venmo for the simple reason that there's no risk of making a mistake and having my transfer published on my timeline or whatever venmo calls it
Electronic records are forever. Even if LE isn't using them now for p4p busts they eventually could be. I don't know if some young dancer I take out today will eventually make life decisions which lead her to get nabbed 3 years from now in some joint FBI/local LE human trafficking sting, at which point all of her historical records could be dumped. When you make those payments electronically, your nose remains permanently open (at least within the statute of limitations) to any future bad decisions that these girls make which may result in unwanted LE scrutiny.
If at some point in the future using cash becomes a frequent, widespread problem, then I'll reevaluate at that point.
What if, in addition to the cash transfers and hotel bills, they also have your text exchanges with her, including those setting up the date and/or directing her to the hotel room (cause remember texts are forever too)? What if, faced with potential prosecution, she has an epiphany that she really HAS been a victim of you dastardly Johns all along and then agrees to cooperate with LE, especially when they are offering her a diversion plan with a clean record in exchange?
The one key element that has always made solicitation charges hard to prosecute in situations where other evidence is found is proof that payment changed hands. Now maybe in CA nobody is likely to pursue all of this, idk. But putting yourself in a position where this could ever feasibly just doesn't make much sense.
But I'm a big enough nerd to know that once information becomes digital, you've essentially lost control of it and how it might be used.
I also know that using cash is a good safeguard against many of those possible repercussions. It's not a guarantee, but it's safer than Venmo...
And I've never battled to convince dancer a to take a handful of cash.
Also, in a number of jurisdictions, even if LE or others cannot piece together enough information to prosecute, they use it for public shaming purposes. We don't know how public perceptions or LE's willingness to pursue certain matters will change from year to year.
Having my nose open forever to changing views, behaviors, enhancements in analytic technology, etc., doesn't seem, at least to me, to be worth the minor convenience of using a cash app vs. handing over cash. But to each his own I suppose. Maybe we can revisit this discussion when more people become more people start using these apps to pay girls for sex and LE adjusts accordingly.
BTW, people are already using these apps, extremely broadly, both with strippers and, even more commonly, in sugar. The conditions to use electronic transfers as evidence are already ubiquitous and have been for several years. But yes, if electronic transfers commonly became the key evidence, I'd stop doing it.
Really? Did you take a survey? 😏
Now for SA girls I'm guessing that you're right, but at least they have the fig leaf of coming in under different pretenses. Though I suspect that, at some point, SA will come under additional scrutiny as well.
But strippers? Except for a couple of rare instances where a girl tried to get me to front money in advance of a meet, which I can count using two fingers, I'm never asked to pay a stripper for in person services using a cash app. Heck I suspect that a certain % of them don't even use regular bank accounts. I'm not saying that this won't become more common, but cash is still overwhelmingly king in the stripper universe for any number of reasons.
I've used cash app. But only with girls I knew very well. And those have all been from SA. Unless the stripper wants to get paid AFTER the OTC date, I'm not using Cash App with them.
Okay seriously, on SA it's incredibly common. If you believe self-reported discussion on forums and reddit subs, app transfers (zelle, cashapp, venmo, top 3) are basically woven into the lifestyle. We're all aware that there can be some risks, so cash at first, move to apps once there's a little trust.
With strippers, I've found for years it's pretty much the same. My impressions come from the same places -- self-reported discussions on stripper forums/subs, and my own personal experience. As with sugar, cash is usually preferred at first. But at least from my ATFs, they always made it sound like this is standard among their regular OTCs. If you have always offered cash, and never discussed this with a stripper, I don't know how you'd have any firsthand knowledge of this either way -- cash is always welcome by strippers, they're not going to try to talk you out of cash. Next time you OTC with a stripper who you've seen a few times so she's inclined to trust you a bit, ask her if she'd take cashapp this time and see what she says, the girl you've been paying cash may welcome an app transfer.
Cash is easy.
The limit must be set by bank and/or customer creditworthiness, or maybe other criteria. My bank’s daily limit is $1,000. I’ve never been close to that limit with a dancer transaction. Only used apps a few times with those I know pretty well.
A post on tuscl is hardly proof that I paid "Starlight" $400 while I was in a notel room with her at 1:00 am. A Venmo transfer, OTOH, is. 😉
Well, if you post like an idiot to TUSCL, then this might be true. We've seen guys dox themselves in discussions and reviews before, sometimes to partners and more often to the dancers they talk about. But that happens because guys don't think before they post stuff.
But, you can learn how to post without doxing yourself and then post away without much concern. With online payments, the moment you send the money, you've lost control over that information and where it's going to go.
Everybody has their own personal threshold for risk. It's possible that you could digitally pay dozens of sex workers hundreds of times over the course of decades and never have it blow back on you.
Or you could be Rep. Matt Gaetz.
That's what happens when you try to think. Stick to what you're good at, which ain't that. 😉
I mentioned that to another girl I met from there who was wondering WTF she thought SA was for?