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EV: will you purchase one? Pros and Cons…

Mate27
TUSCL’s #1 Soothsayer!
Tuesday, November 9, 2021 5:18 PM
I have a truck w/ 300k miles on it, and considering it’s a diesel it could be many more years before I get rid of it, but am considering purchasing an EV for my passenger car needs in the near future. Considering up front costs, I’ve heard points for and against going EV, but what attracts me is off peak electricity is super affordable for recharging and not having to maintain it like an ICE is super cool! Saving time going to a gas station is attractive, but imagine I will have to own it for nearly 10 years to recoup the costs. I wouldn’t see the need to travel across country in an EV, but charging stations are becoming more abundant. So besides costs, are there any viable negatives to purchasing an EV?? Change my mind if you think it’s better to go ICE!

173 comments

  • Tetradon
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    3 years ago
    I won't be in the car market for a while, but I'll happily buy once the charging infrastructure is in place to my satisfaction. I'd also like to see EV production go green. Right now, they require so many rare earths (mostly from our #1 competitor the People's Republic of China) that it's debatable whether that cancels out carbon emissions. That said, I drive a make and model known for running forever, so all this might get worked out by the time I'm next in the market.
  • Icee Loco (asshole)
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    3 years ago
    Don't you need a van to drive your sex slave family around?
  • Icee Loco (asshole)
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    3 years ago
    And to lure kids with 25
  • Mate27
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    3 years ago
    ^^ stop projecting Iceefag. Now go sell your drugs to addicted strippers for your GFE, my nigga!
  • Icee Loco (asshole)
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    3 years ago
    You said your family is your equivalent of sjgs org
  • shailynn
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    3 years ago
    Someone told me something the other day I didn’t realize and is it accurate? If you own a Tesla, and you go to a Tesla charging station, you’re paying about $50 to do a 80% to full recharge. If this is the case then where is the benefit versus buying gas? I’m sure I’ll be buying one at some point in my life but hey, I love my loud V8s for now, although most of the cars/SUVs I’ve been looking at of late are 6s, some turbo some not.
  • Mate27
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    3 years ago
    Really?? That’s what you surmised??^^^ Clearly I stated my organization that I’ve built was my family, nothing written about sex other than what you interjected with your psychotic nuance. I guess you’re incapable of thinking about family, so your sociopathic mind immediately gravitates towards sexual pleasures to gratify your own sick twisted thoughts. Stop projecting your lifestyle onto others, it’s creepy AF and shit and shit.
  • twentyfive
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    3 years ago
    I bought a new car in September of last year, I have less than 7K miles on the odometer, I did look at the big Tesla problem it still is too difficult to find charging stations and the amount of time needed to fully charge the vehicle, is too long, it will be a few years before I look for a new vehicle, if the charging network and time necessary to fully charge the car is improved I probably will buy an electric automobile.
  • Mate27
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    3 years ago
    Shailyn, I did the math and the cost for a full charge at home will be $5-$7. Taking account that will get me 200 miles I’m thinking the convenience factor/less maintenance is the better selling point. I drove a Tesla and that fucker has some serious ass power/pick me up that no 8 cukidnehas ever provided me. Amazing!
  • Icee Loco (asshole)
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    3 years ago
    Does 20fag like pics of your kids. Is he in your org
  • Mate27
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    3 years ago
    ^^ if yiu don’t like my threads just use the ignore feature, instead of obsessing about me just let it go IceeNigga! And stop PMing me wanting to meet up and have gay anal sex. I refuse to be your power top, I like athletic girls, not drugged out pimp wanna bes like you!
  • twentyfive
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    3 years ago
    LOL did Icee Fag solicit you too ?
  • Mate27
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    3 years ago
    ^^^ lmfao! He propositions you, too?? Icee is trolling for dudes, geriatric tricks for that matter. It fits his persona.
  • Icee Loco (asshole)
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    3 years ago
    "if yiu don’t like my threads just use the ignore feature, instead of obsessing about me" Take your own advice weirdo
  • gSteph
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    3 years ago
    Is that you, Icee? Sure as shit sounds like it.
  • misterorange
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    3 years ago
    I don't see good old gasoline engines going away anytime soon. My car has a 400 mile range on one tank of gas, then it takes about 3 minutes to fill it up. Why would I want something that goes dead after 200 miles and then takes who knows how long to re-charge? Even if charging stations were as plentiful as gas stations, I just can't imagine that level of inconvenience. And I get it, for commuting back and forth to work, it might make sense if you have a house with a garage. But most families will need a regular gasoline vehicle if you ever want to go on a longer drive. And I live in a condo complex with about 100 units and 200 outdoor parking spaces. Don't see all those spaces being wired for charging anytime in the near future. And this complex is minuscule compared to many high-rise buildings. What happens when there's a major hurricane? Like a few years back when NJ was devastated by Hurricane Sandy, much of the state had no power for a week, several weeks in some areas. Meanwhile a lot of people in coastal areas had to evacuate to save their own lives. Don't think I'd want to depend on electric under those circumstances. And while flooding wasn't a problem everywhere, the power outage was. Yeah, EVs seem to be all the rage right now. They will sell a lot of them, and the charging network will improve. But the sale of these vehicles will plateau a lot sooner than most people think. I doubt any of us will live long enough to see EVs become more prominent than gas. One thing that might make a little more sense would be if you could pull into a "battery" station and they hoist the dead battery out, replacing it with a fresh one in the same time it takes to fill a tank of gas. Then I could see this thing really taking off.
  • Mate27
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    3 years ago
    Another thing to think about is the current grid system/infrastructure will not be able to handle future charging capacity as it currently is. Think about how many brown outs CA has already before mandating all EV by 2035. They need a serious upgrade to accommodate. I do believe that they shouldn’t be mandated like CA is going, to force people to use a product is a form of socialism following the ACA mandate my Obama/Biden.
  • Cashman1234
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    3 years ago
    I’m curious about the Tesla. I might purchase the small suv the model Y. I heard there is a long lead time for some models. I am going to check on the waiting list. It would be a second car, to commute to the office once we start to reopen in 2022. I have a three car garage, so I can charge it overnight. One of my daughters goes to a university about 100 miles away, so I’m a bit skeptical about the range of the Tesla.
  • Mate27
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    3 years ago
    The current Tesla sedan I drove has a range of 300 miles, give or take regarding weather conditions or driving conditions.
  • twentyfive
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    3 years ago
    I’m fairly sure that the range is related to your driving style and maintenance costs are minimal compared to IC vehicles, I’m fairly sure that the charging time will improve quickly once there is a good network of charging stations
  • skibum609
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    3 years ago
    Just say no to EV.
  • misterorange
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    3 years ago
    I wonder about overall battery life too. Admittedly I don't know a lot about these new car batteries, but I've never owned a single rechargeable device that didn't become weak over time. Laptop, phone, portable speakers, etc. I've heard these car batteries can be enormously expensive to replace.
  • Papi_Chulo
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    3 years ago
    I’m usually a late-adopter w.r.t. latest trends (everything from music to technology etc). Having said this I’d def would want my next-car to be an electric-car (and I think a lot of people probably feel this way but feel they are not yet as practical) – I’d def would like to not have to deal w/ ICE engines going-forward and their maintenance (oil-changes; repairs; etc); as well as not having to deal w/ transmissions – I’ve also have always liked smooth quiet cars thus like not having the noise of ICE engines and noisy mufflers; etc – many things in society have gone digital and most people prefer the digital alternative as it’s often more-reliable and more-efficient – EVs are basically the digital-equivalent of the ICE car. Cars are a big expense I rather do w/o thus I often switch cars more when I have to vs b/c I just want to – my CVT has been slipping at times for the last year or so (usually settles down) so I’m assuming it may go at some point and if it does I’ll likely won’t fix it and just get another car and although I’d like to get an EV not sure if I’m ready for it b/c: + I don’t have an enclosed-garage – AFAIK one needs a Tesla unit installed at home for faster charging – not a must but probably helps a lot – this is not a complete deal-breaker but makes it less practical + if I buy an EV it would be the only car I have available to me (wouldn’t have an ICE backup car I could use) + prices are still a bit high for my tastes – I usually don’t like to get the cheapest trim and the nicer/better appointed trims can often make the price go up a good-amount
  • Papi_Chulo
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    3 years ago
    I've seen a couple of YouTube vids of people taking their Teslas on long road-trips - the car (or a phone app) is probably pretty-good about helping you find the nearest charging stations - but on some of the vids, I've seen the drivers having issues w/ some of the chargers at a station - this is usually not a show-stopper but can cause-extra-delays trying to use another charger at the station - and there can also be the issue of certain charging stations being busy and having to wait for one to open up
  • san_jose_guy
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    3 years ago
    I don't know about technically rare earths, but Cobalt and Lithium. Some rare earths could be used for super strength magnetics. Stellantis (Fiat/Chrysler) is committed to an EV future, 4 different platform sizes. SJG [view link] [view link] [view link] [view link] [view link] The Rare Earth's Bust [view link] [view link] [view link] Peter Frampton Live Detroit 1999 [view link]
  • san_jose_guy
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    3 years ago
    3rd generation, 200 mile range, but right now Europe only. [view link] SJG
  • san_jose_guy
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    3 years ago
    Stellantis EV Day 2021 [view link] SJG
  • Icee Loco (asshole)
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    3 years ago
    Meat needs a bigger car for his incestuous family lulz
  • Mate27
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    3 years ago
    As soon as my vehicle gets too expensive to repair and becomes a hassle, I am purchasing an EV. There are going to be a bunch of cars flooding the market in another year once the supply chain issues get worked out, so the used car market will likely soften.
  • NJBalla
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    3 years ago
    My next car will be an EV SUV or truck. Im tried of assholes driving altimas in NJ swerving in and out of lanes. I want an electric just to speed up for offensive purposes and 360 cameras to make sure they pay if they hit me lol. Tesla would be my first choice, but im not a fan of thier monitoring driving behaviors for insurance purposes I want a black silverado, or hummer, menacing and fast equals respect [view link]
  • boomer79
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    3 years ago
    I probably will but it might be a few years.
  • TFP
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    3 years ago
    Meat I have the same thoughts as you about it. My current car is great and I'm hoping I can get about another 5 years out of it before it starts needing any major service. I wanted to go take one for a test drive but still haven't. However a couple buddies of mine bought Model 3s, back when CA was offering a 7,500 credit for reading in any car older than 2000. When riding with them I noticed how quickly that thing accelerates, it's awesome. Plus I a really like the simplicity of just the screen in the middle and that's it. Reading online info about it, seems like home charge would cost around $18 to fully charge a 326 mile range model Y. A whole lot better than the $80 I spend for 400 miles of driving for my current SUV. But with the supply chain issues and prices, I'm not getting one anytime soon.
  • mark94
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    3 years ago
    The Hyundai Ioniq 5 is the first EV that doesn’t seem like a gimmick. Attractive, roomy, with good enough range and power. Starting at $40,000 ( $32,500 net of tax credit ). They’ll sell as fast as they can make them.
  • san_jose_guy
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    2 years ago
    Based on this and statements Musk made in China, he is emerging as a right winger. Someone who denigrates the very people who are his work force. Musk will have to be dealt with. California to sue Tesla over racism allegations [view link] Federal Court Orders Tesla To Pay $137 Million To Former Black Employee Over Racism [view link] SJG Sergei Rachmaninoff: Piano Concerto No. 3 | Khatia Buniatishvili (piano), Neeme Järvi (conductor) [view link] Deep Purple - Smoke On The Water (Live) [view link] Chris Isaak [view link] [view link] [view link] [view link]
  • Mate27
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    2 years ago
    ^^ so does this mean your organization won’t be buying a Tesla to parade all your stripper grade hotties that are draining your balls 24/7? How many stripper grade hotties can fit in SJG’s Tesla? Answer: None. Because he’s got no stripper grade hotties! If any do join, they’ll be carried around with fork lifts because they exceed the recommended weight restrictions.
  • Papi_Chulo
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    2 years ago
    The Model Y is looking more and more attractive to me - seems the latest ones are gonna be coming out with Tesla's new 4680 battery which is gonna extend the range even more
  • san_jose_guy
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    2 years ago
    TESLA is now under evaluation. There is a suspicion of a serious problem with its Founder / CEO. SJG
  • Tetradon
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    2 years ago
    ^ What, is your organization going to "deal with him"? Lol
  • drewcareypnw
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    2 years ago
    as soon as there's sufficient infrastructure and more choices that dont involve tiny cars or luxury cars, I will ditch the awd minivan for an ev. Otherwise, my next fishing trip to eastern wa would be cramped on the way out, get stuck on location, and then run out of charge on the way back!
  • Papi_Chulo
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    2 years ago
    I've seen multiple YouTube vids of people doing interstate trips in a Tesla and seems they managed fine using Tesla's software to guide their route and where and when they had to charge although one would assume it'd be an issue w.r.t. trips thru low-population areas like Wyoming etc
  • san_jose_guy
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    2 years ago
    Biden is going to build EV charging stations. Tesla is a huge beneficiary of government money. But now its CEO going to China has insulted and denigrated American workers with Right Wing nonsense. This has to be dealt with. And in his factory he seem to run an apartheid system. He has to be dealt with, publicly confronted and forced to make tangible restitution. SJG
  • gammanu95
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    2 years ago
    I like what Ford has done with their hybrid vehicles. Apparently, so does everyone else since the hybrid Maverick orders are all full and pre-ordering is closed until some time this summer. It seems like the most common sense approach, until you can fill a battery in 5-10 min like you do your gas tank. Whatever happened to the hydrogen fuel cell technology? I thought that was the greenest tech, since even an EV may get its nuice from foasil fuels. Although, I'm not too comfortable driving around on giant hydrogen tank. Hindenberg, anyone?
  • san_jose_guy
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    2 years ago
    Hydrogen is just a new kind of battery. Not any more green. But Toyota does offer a Fuel Cell vehicle, similar to a Prius. SJG
  • Papi_Chulo
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    2 years ago
    The hybrids have their advantage but I rather do w/o an ICE and transmission to have to maintain and worry about
  • san_jose_guy
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    2 years ago
    I don't like the hybrids. High maintenance and the very heaviest type of vehicle. Straight EV or straight combustion. SJG
  • Mate27
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    2 years ago
    ^^ or straight up industrial grade fatties for your organizational that yiu have to haul around by a fork lift!! That’s the stripper grade hotties you refer to, fat and obese always hungry for something to fill their holes!
  • san_jose_guy
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    2 years ago
    ^ That would be what Meat72 would want. But My Org is invitation only and he is not invited. :) :) :) SJG
  • Mate27
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    2 years ago
    ^^ so far the only one who’s answered your invitation is one, just you! Nobody else has accepted an invitation, except for those fat fuckers yiu have on your Facebook page LloydSchoene!
  • Mate27
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    2 years ago
    And SJG, yiu e mistaken me for somebody who gives a shit about your organization. Me and about 330 million other Americans in your organs of one!
  • san_jose_guy
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    2 years ago
    Elon Musk is digging his own grave, taking all kinds of government expenditure, and then going to China and insulting American workers and spewing out all sorts of Right Wing Bull Shit. SJG
  • Tetradon
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    2 years ago
    ^ He's worth $239 billion, you can't afford internet access off hours. I think he'll be just fine.
  • san_jose_guy
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    2 years ago
    He is in deep shit. He needs to apologize to the American workers he has insulted and make tangible restitution or he will see how quickly all he has gained with public assistance can be taken out from under him. SJG
  • Tetradon
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    2 years ago
    ^ Yes, because American workers care more about an "I'm sorry" than good manufacturing jobs. Or the left wing erosion of their paycheck.
  • san_jose_guy
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    2 years ago
    But Musk is the one who is running an apartheid company and has huge settlements against him. And no that is not a good manufacturing job. Musk is flirting with finding out how quickly he can be replaced. SJG
  • san_jose_guy
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    2 years ago
    And you Tetradon, if you had American workers in your charge, would also have to apologize and make tangible restitution. SJG
  • Tetradon
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    2 years ago
    I don't think you read American workers any better than you read strippers. I'll give you credit, you're devoted to your delusions. When confronted with opposing evidence, you state your views over and over. All you need to do is plug your ears and go "lalala I can't hear you!"
  • Cowboy12
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    2 years ago
    An EV looks like a good option as a daily driver for the commute to work. But, I would not want it to be my only vehicle. Limited charging options, time to re-charge, limited range, especially when using accessories like AC or heat, are all a big no-go for long trips. Also, there is a huge negative environmental impact due to the lithium batteries. I am considering a hybrid for my next vehicle, but EV tech is still not ready for prime time, IMO.
  • rickthelion
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    2 years ago
    As you damn dirty apes know, I’m a big fan of Tesla. The biggest benefit is the autopilot. It facilitates two-fisted drinkin’ while you’re driving. Hell, I once taped two 40 oz. Schlitz Red Bulls to my hand and had my Tesla zoom by cops while I was playin’ the ol’ Edward 40hands! I’d scream out the window “I’m Edward 40hands and I’m a frickin’ lion! ROAR!!!”
  • rickthelion
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    2 years ago
    The biggest downside of the Tesla autopilot is that it takes the fun out of drunk drivin’. I mean really…I’m a rick and there are times I just wanna live fast and take chances. That’s why I’ve modified the autopilot’s programming to include rick mode, which emulates the driving of a rick that has partied for 48 hours straight and consumed at least two bottles of drivin’ whiskey! Then you can enjoy the drunk drivin’ while sitting in a car that is emulating a drunk driver. Good times! ROAR!!!
  • san_jose_guy
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    2 years ago
    Musk has made a fool of himself. But I gather that China is being very difficult with him. Still no excuse for what he said.
  • Tetradon
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    2 years ago
    ^ I'm sure he and his quarter-trillion net worth are quaking in fear of a crazy on a strip club message board. And don't start on your org, it's as likely to come true as the Book of Mormon.
  • san_jose_guy
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    2 years ago
    Musk has already had a $137 Meg judgement against Tesla for a racially hostile environment. He is running an apartheid firm. And then women are complaining about hostile work environment. One of his biggest backers Ro Khanna has put distance between himself and Musk. Musk's entire empire would not exist without very costly favorable use of public funds. Other big biz CEO's don't say anything like what Musk said, ass licking China. He said that Chinese are hard working while American workers just want entitlements. That is gross. Who the hell does Musk think he is? SJG
  • Mate27
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    2 years ago
    ^^ just 2 years ago yiu were singing the praises of Elon Musk, now you’ve flipped flopped on him. A little schizophrenic if you ask me SJG. Maybe that’s what ended your marriage to Maritise??
  • san_jose_guy
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    2 years ago
    Yeah, I loved Musk. He told the public health people to fuck off. But he is showing another side now. SJG
  • lotsoffun201
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    2 years ago
    Nothing against EV’s, but for me, if it doesn’t have a throaty exhaust and make noise, I don’t want it.
  • Mate27
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    2 years ago
    ^^ that’s what she said!
  • gammanu95
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    2 years ago
    I was at Culver's yesterday, and they actually had an EV charging station for a parking spot, complete with Tesla and alternate chargers. I didn't examine it, but I would guess you swipe a credit card to buy the electricity.
  • Jascoi
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    2 years ago
    One of my daughters has a Tesla model S dual motor. Fast and quiet and under ideal conditions 400 mile range. it’s the 2nd T she is owned and used on a daily basis. yeah... it’s a hassle recharging when you’re traveling. but if you’re driving less than 400 miles a day locally it makes good sense. she recharges at home and now has a 50 amp outlet in the garage. she does have 1966 mustang (just in case)...
  • rickthelion
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    2 years ago
    “Nothing against EV’s, but for me, if it doesn’t have a throaty exhaust and make noise, I don’t want it.” Come on Lotsa-ape, you like exhaust? I get the noise part. That’s why I’ve installed speakers on the outside of my Tesla. You can play all sorts of noises. Jets taking off. Nails on a blackboard. Pigs takin’ a shit. Vanilla Ice trying to rap. You name it. The cool thing about a Tesla is that you can sneak into a neighborhood all quiet like at say 3 AM and then start blasting a mix of Vanilla Ice played backwards over two camels mating. All the damn dirty apes get upset and run out to see what’s happening. It’s especially funny if you leave bags of shit on their porches. Bet you can do that with your loud gasoline car. ROAR!!!
  • san_jose_guy
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    2 years ago
    Maybe the Tesla autopilot needs to have a Rick Mode, to simulate drunken driving. After all, Rick Dugan has instructed us, "Real men drink and drive." SJG
  • san_jose_guy
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    2 years ago
    This creates the impression that Musk is self destructing! SpaceX reportedly fired employees behind letter criticizing Elon Musk [view link] SJG
  • mark94
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    2 years ago
    EVs are driven by people who want to let the world know how much they care about the environment. The electricity comes from coal burning plants and the batteries are made from rare metals that come from open pit mines.
  • Icee Loco (asshole)
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    2 years ago
    I hate teslas. I hate the way they feel cheap inside. The stupid way to open doors. The way they drive like a glorified prius. And musk is a real life mr burns
  • Mate27
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    2 years ago
    I’d only go Electric if it makes economical sense. If buying new I would purchase electric because over the lifetime you save time not filling up at a gas station and making trips to maintain it at the dealership/garage. Makes a lot of sense if you’re thinking long term. Just like solar, there are upfront costs that you don’t recoup for about 10 years, and in the meantime I can use the cheaper versions like ICE and using the electric grid as my energy options. By investing the savings I still can’t justify economically why I should replace my 300k vehicle that still runs great or drop $30k into solar. I’ll only make the switch when it makes sense economically.
  • Papi_Chulo
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    2 years ago
    “… I’ll only make the switch when it makes sense economically. …” I think a lot of people are in the boat – the slow adoption in the US of EVs IMO is not b/c most people are “anti EV”, but more that it does not fit them at the moment for various reasons but they would like to get into one when the time/technology is right – but the Brandon administration seems to want to force-feed EVs down-our-throats even if the technology/infrastructure is not yet ready for primetime for everyone to jump on.
  • DrStab
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    2 years ago
    My woman and I have have long had “hybrids” with good results, and she recently bought a Chevy Bolt (all electric). We do have a charger in the garage, but we don’t have a special setup, so an overnight charge may get you about 20 miles. We have found parking garages and other places where she can do a quick “fill up” and get about 150 miles. Charging stations are getting more ubiquitous in the Motor City, so with a little effort, you can plan for it. While I am not a battery or auto expert, I don’t think the electric vehicle as we know today will exist in 10 years. There will be some other technology (solar?) that will be better.
  • magicrat
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    2 years ago
    I just read the average price of a new EV is $60,000, which prices most out of that market. None of us $350,000 TUSCLers but still.....
  • orionsmith
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    2 years ago
    From. A pure economic point of view, EV’s are more expensive than ICE cars in most areas when you look at total costs which include finance costs. Right now EV batteries may need to replaced after about 10 years and the total charge they maintain goes down as they age reducing time and distance between charges. Convenience is not there in most cases either. Gas cars can be refueled in a few minutes. It could take longer than that to drive to a charging station with an ev. Plus if everyone was using the station, you might have a much longer wait. Taxes, to make up for not collecting gas taxes most states charge an annual ev or hybrid fee that may be as much as you would have saved in taxes by buying the ev. Tech upgrades. There are major improvements in the works. I consider what I’ve heard is that the choice might be like buying a 386 computer versus waiting for an Apple pc to be released. Much longer driving ranges, much longer lasting batteries, faster charging all in the works. Less expensive too in terms of overall value. Of course if you are environmentally sensitive and cost is not an issue go buy an ev. It doesn’t matter if most of industry and the power grid that powers the EV’s are using fossil fuels. Fossil fuels are also used to build and mine most of the parts to build the EV’s but that doesn’t matter to the environmentally conscious who can say they are using electric. I’m still driving around in 16 and 20 year old vehicles that run fine and the current administration is driving up costs as was predicted by many before they got voted into office to persuade us to go green by pushing to eliminate fossil fuels. They regulate capital and persuade oil companies not to invest in our current infrastructure and they succeeded in driving up prices. Now the other side of our government thinks the way to solve inflation is to destroy demand instead of improving supply. Idiots in my opinion. I want the economy to go green by making it less expensive and more convenient to go green not by driving up prices reducing the ability of average consumers to live.
  • mark94
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    2 years ago
    The 2023 Chevy Bolt EUV will have a starting price of $29,000. It no longer qualifies for the $7,500 tax credit. It’s boring looking, charges slowly, has uncomfortable seats, and a cheap looking interior. But it gets over 200 miles in range and, did I mention, it’s $29,000. The real message is that electric cars will soon have costs similar to ICE cars.
  • rickthelion
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    2 years ago
    I’m a committed Tesla fanatic, but you damn dirty apes haven’t recognized the true basis for the joy of Tesla driving. I man really, electric schmelectric. It’s the autopilot. What’s the funnest thing after fucking sexy female hairless apes? Getting shitfaced drunk. How can you make that more fun? Drive while drunk. How can you make that even more fun? Two-fisted drink while drunk with the autopilot engaged. How can you make that even more funnerer? Two-fisted drinkin’ while drunk with a reprogrammed autopilot engaged. Reprogram that bad boy with “rick mode” that emulates the driving of a drunken rick. Nothin’ better than drivin’ at ludicrous speed in rick mode watchin’ the apes bounce off your hood all while you have a rickarita in one hand and a gimlet in the other. Now where is my damn drivin’ whiskey? I gots me some Tesla drivin’ to do! ROAR!!!
  • orionsmith
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    2 years ago
    I heard an EV can make sense as a second or third vehicle and as costs come down, some might be economical. Convenience factor can be eliminated if you use it as a commuter vehicle and can charge at home or wherever you are. I’m hoping for big improvements in the tech with much faster charging and longer range and longer lasting batteries. Scientists are making new discoveries in sulfur batteries that will make dramatic improvements whenever it gets ready for the factory. I am waiting for the day when the only people who want a gas car is for nostalgia.
  • drewcareypnw
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    2 years ago
    Mark is right: “ EVs are driven by people who want to let the world know how much they care about the environment”. I’m surrounded by teslas where I live. Neighbors on the right, left, and across the street from me have the annoying things. I’ll tell you this: Teslas are also driven by people who want to fuck around with tech in their car… what horn sound they have today, is the computer screen doing a Xmas theme, letting a fucking robot drive, etc. it’s like people can’t just “save the world” with their car, they have to do it in an annoying way. I offer you a one act play titled: Tesla Drivers, No Survivors Driver: look at me, I’m rich and saving the world and isn’t my car quirky!? Chorus: oh, here we go… Tech bro: oh bro, you are SO tech! Do your have google glasses too? I’m gonna tweet about this later! Driver: oh yeah bro, I read my google glasses while I read my Tesla screen and check my Iphone while I’m driving to work to read my computer screen. It’s so awesome. I’m gonna tweet about it later! Tech bro: awesome! Amazing! Wanna go jack off to cartoon porn? Driver: you know it! Chorus: WANKERS. Fin.
  • georgmicrodong
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    2 years ago
    One thing that a lot of smug EV owners don't realize, or don't want to admit, is that in many areas of the country, charging an EV <em>still</em> burns coal. Unless you're in an area where power is generated solely by solar, wind, geo, hydro, or nuclear, you're using electricity generated by a coal fired plant. Go nuclear. It's the safest form of power generation, by at least an order of magnitude.
  • orionsmith
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    2 years ago
    I’m surprised to hear Tesla has installed hard to break glass on side windows. I heard on night line yesterday about a driver crashing a Tesla and while people tried to save him, the Tesla door knobs did not extend out, supposedly they are supposed to in the event of a crash I heard but that feature may not work without power. Then they tried to break the glass but Tesla installed a more durable glass on the side window. The driver was burned alive while others could not save him. Earlier I was thinking Tesla had misalignment issues with panels and required expensive maintenance to replace entire batteries instead of just bad cells. I saw a video I think a guy in Finland or Sweden blew up his Tesla because the battery replacement cost was more than than the value of the car. I’ve seen other videos where one tech guru was able to replace Tesla bad cells saving over 50% the cost Tesla was requiring. I believe GM May be going the route of replacing cells instead of entire batteries so their service maintenance costs will likely be lower for those who own cars longer or who need service. I’ve also seen a few videos where Tesla had door handle issues. I really would like to use a teleporter but don’t think those have been invented yet. Or maybe a flying car. That business model has not been invented yet. Elon probably working on it. Basically large towers within walking distance all around cities and you hitch a ride on flying electric taxies and don’t need a car and cities can stop spending billions on roads and instead buy more flying taxies and towers.
  • mark94
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    2 years ago
    “Go nuclear. It's the safest form of power generation,” In Arizona, Kari Lake has adding Nuclear plants as one of her platforms if elected Governor. We could become the power supplier to California. Nuclear plants lined up along the State border, charging outrageous fees.
  • mark94
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    2 years ago
    Also, with lower water levels at Boulder Dam, Vegas is going to need some sweet nuclear power right quick.
  • san_jose_guy
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    2 years ago
    The batteries get recycled, and we are trying to get it so the electricity comes from renewable zero carbon sources. SJG
  • san_jose_guy
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    2 years ago
    Automatic transmissions are so much better now than they used to be. But often their is so much stop and go boulevard and expressway driving that with the automatic transmission you are just wearing out the brakes. And with manual transmissions you are wearing out the clutch. Well EV's have regenerative braking and their are no gears to change, no clutch and very little use of friction braking. Yeah, its on these boulevards and expressways that EV's shine. Long range highway it is still manual transmissions which are best. SJG
  • ilbbaicnl
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    2 years ago
    Only would make sense if the electricity came from renewables or nuclear. My landlord would have to install a charging outlet. Probably it would have to come with a deal where I can go park somewhere near my home, and get a free or cheap loaner for long trips.
  • Papi_Chulo
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    2 years ago
    Tesla has been significantly raising their prices (instead of lowering them so more EV adoption can be achieved) - remains to be seen if this is a result of all the supply-chain issues and thus temporary or if this is the new normal going-forward - if interested, the video below talks about it starting at the 4:15 mark: [view link]
  • Papi_Chulo
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    2 years ago
    Renewable energy is not yet ready to take over - just look at the situation in Europe/Germany after they foced geen-energy and then they had to depend-on/turn-to-Putin for their energy. The only way green-energy and EVs can currently take over is by killing off the competition and basically making fossil-fuels and ICE cars illegal (taxing them out of existence). Below is a vid of how Norway killed off the ICE car via legislation and taxation: [view link]
  • Hank Moody
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    2 years ago
    If we’re lucky to live long enough, eventually we all will. Faster, cleaner, quieter and cheaper to operate and maintain. Transition is hard you old fucks, but it is coming. Stop being old.
  • Mate27
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    2 years ago
    ^true, eventually it will become more efficient and people will have more examples of it as adoption becomes more widespread. New industries are going to open up and the top dogs will find a way to capitalize on it for the greater good. Google and Apple are developing technologies and vehicles centered around the EV industry. When the time comes I will embrace it. My neighbor had had a Tesla for years, one of the first ones and he never had gone to a garage for repairs or a gas station. He loves it, and said it has more than paid for itself, even if tye battery needs replacing soon.
  • ilbbaicnl
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    2 years ago
    It's hard to be sure what's good, and what's simply being promoted by a special interest. Increased affordable, carbon neutral electrical capacity is dubiously feasible. Good chance it would be with (fission) nuclear power. It's affordable with competent regulation, and safer than any alternative with gravity-fed cooling systems. For now, paranoia prevents it from being an option. I believe it's the case that it's easy to convert gasoline-powered vehicles to run on any mix of gasoline and (carbon neutral) ethanol. Ethanol looks like a worse option than what it is, because the corn lobby forces ethanol to be made from corn. In Brazil, vehicles are already required to be flexi-fueled. Brazil makes cheaper ethanol from switchgrass. I think Ford already makes all of it's trucks flexi-fueled, to avoid having a separate production line for Brazil.
  • twentyfive
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    2 years ago
    Well it wasn’t as good as Top Gun that’s for sure.
  • twentyfive
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    2 years ago
    ^ Rong thread
  • san_jose_guy
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    2 years ago
    Musk and AI Robotics [view link] SJG
  • mark94
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    2 years ago
    Here’s a quick summary of how the new, green economy is progressing in Germany: 1. Shut down clean nuclear 2. Move to unreliable wind/solar 2. Become reliant on Russian natural gas 3. Fire up dirty coal again And that, Ladies and Gentlemen, is what’s fueling those new, clean EVs in Deutchland
  • 8TM
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    2 years ago
    I would wait a couple years before buying a new Tesla right now, until they release HW4, and also hopefully fully change over to the CCS plug standard like they’ve already done in Europe. [view link] [view link]
  • 8TM
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    2 years ago
    I don’t expect massive improvements to range any time soon. 300 miles seems to be the magic number where Americans are willing to buy, so right now the vast majority of corporate R&D is focused on making cheaper/faster/safer batteries with the same range. But I expect the number to creep up closer to 400 over the next 5-10 years as EVs makers compete more.
  • twentyfive
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    2 years ago
    It really depends on two things right now, range, and speed of recharge, if those two things are addressed in a way that is as convenient as ICE driven transportation the adaptation will be pretty swift, my guess is that in 10-15 years the mix will be 60-40 with EVs growing share rapidly.
  • Mate27
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    2 years ago
    300-400 miles is what gas vehicles give you, so EV only needs ubiquitous amounts of charging stations to easily acquiesce. Biden is passing legislation to make it happen. It takes 20 minutes or longer to charge on the road, but if you’re doing long trips you’ll take that long to use the bathroom and stretch your legs anyway. Most charges will occur at home during off peak demand. The power companies do promote usage of time of use plans, so the grid is closer to adapting to higher energy needs built in already. The peak times would be a worry for some markets when EVs are widely adopted.
  • twentyfive
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    2 years ago
    ^ also if EVs are widely adapted, states like Florida and Texas that are susceptible to power outages , due to storms will need to harden the grid or folks will be left stranded in dangerous weather conditions.
  • rickdugan
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    2 years ago
    Idk. I recently read a story about two girls recently who took a road trip from a southern state to Chicago and back in an EV and it was a nightmare. Charging station infrastructure was bad and even the ones that did exist often did not work as advertised. The battery life plunged by 33% when they had to drive through inclement weather (heavy winds and rain). It really extended the amount of time that they had to spend on the road. outside of that, I've heard that the battery eventually needs to be replaced and overall the cars are expensive to service. I'm not saying I'll never buy an EV, but it will be a very long time before I consider it. I recently bought a new SUV and I can drive 300+ miles on a full tank without having to worry about any of that crap or other things, like extended power outages and remembering to plug it in at night.
  • twentyfive
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    2 years ago
    ^ I don’t think we’ll have much of a choice once the EV get going, it will just overwhelm everything just like everything else in our modern world, it wasn’t too long ago when we didn’t have cell phones, we managed and said we didn’t need them. Then all of a sudden we did, EVs will be sort of like that, or computers, even A/C had folks that resisted using it, and look at how we live now.
  • wallanon
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    2 years ago
    I'm keeping an eye on the market, but what I'm looking for isn't there yet.
  • motorhead
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    2 years ago
    It’s 97 degrees and we’re being told to raise the temperature on the air conditioner because the power grid is reaching capacity. Seems like a great idea to plug in 50 million cars every night
  • mark94
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    2 years ago
    Here’s an EV that actually looks fun. [view link]
  • motorhead
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    2 years ago
    Studies have shown LA does not have the infrastructure to support the Port of Long Beach’s plan to fully electrify their fleet and that’s only about 17,000 vehicles
  • Hank Moody
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    2 years ago
    Yet
  • rickdugan
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    2 years ago
    @25: Cell phones, computers and A/C all provided new comforts and/or conveniences that did not previously exist, making widespread adoption much more likely, especially as the technology continued to improve. EVs, on the other hand, are a less convenient alternative to something that already exists, which makes widespread adoption much more problematic. Even Elon Musk gets this, which is why he recently made it clear that perfecting self-driving technology is the key to Tesla's future. He understands that for EVs to have true mass appeal, they need to offer something special and enticing. Heck, if a true self-driving EV existed - I mean the type where I didn't have to be ready to take over at a moment's notice - even I would be sorely tempted to buy it.
  • twentyfive
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    2 years ago
    >>>>EVs, on the other hand, are a less convenient alternative to something that already exists, which makes widespread adoption much more problematic. Even Elon Musk gets this, which is why he recently made it clear that perfecting self-driving technology is the key to Tesla's future.<<<< @RD You miss the point, cell phones, nor A/C, Nor computers, or any of the other conveniences sprung into the public fully featured it took some doing, just as an analogy you probably remember, first portable phones weren't really portable, you needed to carry a briefcase or have the phone mounted in a vehicle, the Motorola Brick was a new feature at one point, then they became smaller, adding a camera, for each feature there was some guy saying exactly what you're saying "well it not really a convenience we already have that," but now look at what the cellphone is , its a phone, a camera, an address book, it takes notes, you can use it for computing it's all of your messages in one place in your pocket, nd just think what it started out as, a bulky pain in the ass that only benefited a small group of users or status seekers, no Rick just like A/c systems Computers, even the wheel started out small but it didn't take long for innovators to grasp it's utility and adapt it to their own needs, and just going by the way human knowledge doubles and triples in shorter and more compressed time spans, it won't be very long before EVs are as normal as anything else we use.
  • Hank Moody
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    2 years ago
    Most of the arguments against EVs ignore time. Asking the question of “whether” or “when” makes a difference. You’re watching technology advance. Enjoy it. Keep your ICE cars as long as you want. I will absolutely be keeping a muscle car until my kids inherit it. Maybe others. I have no fear whatsoever that I won’t be able to put gas in it and I have no doubt the percentage of EV to ICE vehicles on the road will swing heavily, but not completely, to EV. As a performance car person, I cannot wait to have an EV and hope I still have the reflexes to fully enjoy the awesome performance they deliver.
  • rickdugan
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    2 years ago
    @25: I'm aware of the evolution of computers and cell phones. And yes, the easier they became to use and the more functionality they offered, the more widespread their adoption became. But truth be told widespread adoption of both home based computer and personal smart phones were driven predominantly by a widespread desire to access high speed Internet and social media. If the Internet did not exist it, it is highly questionable whether a large % of our population would own a personal computer or a cell phone even today. But what exciting new innovations do EVs currently offer over gas powered vehicles? What do you think they might offer in the future that would spur people to move en masse from their existing fully functional gas powered cars? Maybe there will be something. Musk seems to believe it will be full autonomous driving, but in theory it could be something else. But it's hard to see right now.
  • mark94
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    2 years ago
    It would be interesting to see a correlation of - People concerned about manmade climate change - EV buyers It’s my guess there is a strong correlation. Right now, EVs are more expensive and less convenient. If not for environmental concerns, the only people buying EVs would be the minority that always buy the newest tech toys.
  • mark94
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    2 years ago
    I don’t drive a lot of miles so, from an economic standpoint, EVs make no sense. The payback period for the EV vehicle, in terms of energy cost saved, is literally 30 years. Still, I think it’s likely I’ll buy an EV in the next few years just because some of the new EVs coming out in 2024 are pretty cool.
  • twentyfive
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    2 years ago
    >>>But what exciting new innovations do EVs currently offer over gas powered vehicles?<<< @RD I don't know but just like Jimmy said, I love my AMG E63, driving it is fun af, but damn man, time will bring with it new innovations, probably shit we don't have even a conception of right now, but that's what make life fun and exciting, I'm looking forward to what comes next.
  • Hank Moody
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    2 years ago
    EVs are faster than most ICE cars. They are also cheaper to maintain and require little to no service or repair of the motors. They don’t have a “drive train.” They also are cheaper to operate. Whether and when that offsets the entry price is debatable, but for some of the $30-40k models coming out in the next couple years, fuel/power costs will be real. Plus it also gets the green new deal people, but who cares. Give me the 0-60 in 2 seconds and AWD performance at a fraction of the price of a comparably performing ICE.
  • Papi_Chulo
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    2 years ago
    I doubt environmentalism is the main reason for many EV buyers although most EV-owners probably see it as a good environmental benefit. There's been EVs and hybrids for a good while now but it took Tesla to make them cool and desirable - it seems most automakers are struggling to sell EVs while Tesla has a waiting list of about a year for popular models like the Model-Y. I think more people are happy about not having to buy gas than bc they're tree-huggers; and they likely think Teslas are cool.
  • Papi_Chulo
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    2 years ago
    The video below is about Tesla but approximately at the 10:20 mark there is a short segment about an experimental solar-car (not a Tesla) that may go into production by the end of the year - supposedly it can currently get over 400-miles-of-range but seems still pretty-far-away from mass-production: [view link]
  • twentyfive
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    2 years ago
    A simple note for anyone that doesn't think EVs are the coming attractions, just look at the amount of money and how much retooling is being provided by huge companies and smart investors in this new technology. Smart folks wouldn't be betting against it.
  • rickdugan
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    2 years ago
    Sales of EVs were 4.5% of new vehicle purchases and that's weighted heavily towards CA and a few other blue states. Also the vast bulk of those sales were Teslas - the other manufacturers are having very little success moving EVs. I'm guessing that Elon Musk knows what he's talking about when he said that self driving technology is the future of EVs. It's likely what has made Tesla so popular relative to the others, even if it's not perfect. I'm guessing we will get there eventually, but IMHO it's going to be a very long road. The infrastructure and technology challenges are enormous.
  • san_jose_guy
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    2 years ago
    Musk seems to be imploding. But there are other EV makes. Stellantis (FIAT - Chrysler) is fully committed to an EV future. And then there is that Porsche Tascan, two name only two. SJG
  • mark94
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    2 years ago
    Building software to control a car automatically on an interstate: straightforward. Building software to control a car in an urban environment with pedestrians, bikes, jaywalkers, construction detours, parking garages, pot holes, etc: 100 times harder. We’re about 1% of the way toward a truly autonomous car. Give it another 20 years.
  • san_jose_guy
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    2 years ago
    Also, it is the same for Combustion as it is for E/V. Not a fan of self driving cars myself, not at all. SJG
  • Papi_Chulo
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    2 years ago
    A.I. is getting super-advanced and almost human-like - my concern with self-driving cars is that the A.I. being human-like may become a white-supremacist and hit black-people on purpose - just sayin'
  • san_jose_guy
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    2 years ago
    I think self driving cars would be a big mistake. I oppose it. SJG
  • mark94
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    2 years ago
    The pattern of technology acceptance is always the same. Slow. Slow. Slow. A little faster. Then, holy shit, everyone wants one. We’re just now entering the phase where it’s a little faster for EVs. I’m guessing that 2024 will be the holy shit phase.
  • Papi_Chulo
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    2 years ago
    One would assume that Covid, and the resulting supply-chain/economic issues, threw a big monkey-wrench w.r.t. EV adoption/advancement, and it likely would be further along if it wasn't for Covid (and Brandon). Begs to wonder if the expected economic recession, which many think will be a big-one, begs to wonder how much of an additional hit that will be for the EV sector, especially if we get stagflation where the economy is down but prices remain high or keep rising.
  • rickdugan
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    2 years ago
    ===> "Building software to control a car in an urban environment with pedestrians, bikes, jaywalkers, construction detours, parking garages, pot holes, etc: 100 times harder." Not just the software. The sensor and camera technology is also nowhere near advanced enough.
  • mark94
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    2 years ago
    EV batteries being made by Chinese slave labor. There goes the “feel good” image of EVs. [view link]
  • Mate27
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    2 years ago
    Volkswagen committing to go entirely EV manufacturing in a few years tells me everything I need to know about which direction the movement is going. Once infrastructure is in place, gas engines will be antiques and there won’t be anybody around to supply the parts for them. That will probably be over 20 years from now, half the board will be dead, and Icee will have permanent limo dick. So at least we got that going for us.
  • mark94
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    2 years ago
    In Norway, most cars sold are EVs because of government incentives. In the US, there would be far fewer EVs sold if not for the $7,500 credit. The speed at which EVs replace ICE depends on government putting its thumbs on the scale.
  • Papi_Chulo
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    2 years ago
    Norway practically made it illegal to drive ICE cars - w/o government getting in the way EVs in Norway would likely still be facing a tough mass-adoption hill.
  • Papi_Chulo
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    2 years ago
    Seems the Brandon regime is trying to copy Norway
  • Mate27
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    2 years ago
    We will also need to diversify our energy sources further with wind, solar and nuclear to advance any green movement. The argument that EV isn’t totally green is a bullshit stance, because the transportation of refined files to has stations alone proves the economical inefficiencies of fossil fuels, too. You can’t be a kettle calling the pot black, because there’s a lot of gray area in production with EVs. It will get more efficient as time and technology advance.
  • Papi_Chulo
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    2 years ago
    ^ no one says ICE cars are green; the point some are making is the EVs are not as total zero-emission as they are advertised
  • Papi_Chulo
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    2 years ago
    besides the charging of EVs not being zero-emissions; neither is the harvesting of all the rare-earth-elements needed mainly for mass-battery-production - at the end of the day EVs are on-balance better for the environment but there is still work to do b/f getting rid of fossil fuels and being truly zero-emissions.
  • mark94
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    2 years ago
    I understand why environmentalists don’t like coal but it makes no sense they oppose nuclear, which is zero emissions. Hell, it’s better than wind and hydro, which affect the animal population.
  • Estafador
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    2 years ago
    Plan to get a Tesla Model S or X depending on which one I can fit better because these gas prices are out of control and I doubt they'll ever go back to less than $3.
  • Papi_Chulo
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    2 years ago
    ^ wind and solar also takes fossil-fuels to produce; and there may also be issues w/ disposal at end of life if I recall - again; not saying they are not worth it; but true zero-emissions will likely take a good while and why IMO it's best to wait till the technology matures vs forced-implementation
  • Estafador
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    2 years ago
    ....for a conservative you sure do care about the environment. Unless you can effectively harness the power of the sun quickly, theres no fuel source that wont impact the environment in some way. At least lithium batteries can be reused.
  • Papi_Chulo
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    2 years ago
    "Tesla Is No Longer The World's Largest Seller of EVs" BYD Motor, a Buffett-backed electric vehicle maker, is now the world's biggest seller of electric vehicles, surpassing Tesla. The Chinese firm sold 641,350 new energy vehicles in the first six months of the year, from January 1 to June 30, according to company filings with the Hong Kong Stock Exchange. Tesla for its part delivered 564,743 vehicles over the same period ... [view link]
  • san_jose_guy
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    2 years ago
    Toyota has got electrics and hybrids. They also have got sensible pricing, surprising as US currency is collapsing. This is not electric. I guess this GR86 is that had been FRS. Raised from 2.0L to 2.4L. 6 speed manual or automatic. Electrics have the advantage of regenerative braking. SJG Jefferson Starship -1974- Ride the Tiger [view link]
  • mark94
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    2 years ago
    I’m sure BYD developed all its’ own technology, stealing nothing from Tesla ( whose own Shanghai plant was shut down, last I heard ).
  • TheeOSU
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    2 years ago
    .
  • san_jose_guy
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    2 years ago
    BYD [view link] [view link] SJG School of Rock Students Perform "California Dreamin'" by The Mamas & The Papas [view link]
  • mark94
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    2 years ago
    There was a horrible train crash in China about 3 years ago. It involved high speed technology that China was trying to sell the world. Dozens were killed. The army swept in and buried everything. By the time they were done, no evidence was left.
  • Papi_Chulo
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    2 years ago
    ^ sounds like the 2020 election
  • mark94
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    2 years ago
    Holy shit ! This is HUGE. JUST IN - EU Parliament declares nuclear power and gas as "green" energy.
  • Mate27
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    2 years ago
    We got plenty of that to sell to them, too. I wonder how we will transport all of our natural gas? Shipping is costly.
  • san_jose_guy
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    2 years ago
    Some people I know have one of these. Straight PEV, no hybrid. They selected carefully and they like it. [view link] 0-60 in 6.5 seconds, ordinary economical combustion cars can't do this. To keep up with an EV you've got to really stand on it. But the EV advantage goes away at higher speeds. EPA-est. 259 mi Electric range on full charge, quite good. STARTING AT $31,500 As Shown $34,700 , reasonable. One attractive thing about EV's is regenerative braking. It is just just the extra range, it is that you are not wearing something out in stop and go driving. Manual transmission you wear out the clutch in downshifting. Automatic transmission you really wear out the brakes. EV does not have that problem. 11.5kW Level 2 Charging Capability * And standard DC fast charging capability 36.0" Rear leg room 57.0 cu. Ft. Max cargo volume * 102.4" Wheelbase I think most of the EV's, having regenerative braking, will use the braking control electronics when hooked to an AC charging station. But with the DC charging stations I think they go around this and use regulation electronics which are in the station and which are going to be bigger. Then control and coordination is accomplished via digital communications between the vehicle and the ground station. 11kWh is not that much of a battery. But they probably mean the charging rate of 11kW AC charging. SJG Coffee Girls [view link] Jane - School of Rock [view link]
  • Mate27
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    2 years ago
    Natural gas jumped over 11% this morning on headline news of EU stance , as more demand for the resource will be seen.
  • san_jose_guy
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    2 years ago
    [view link] note: Opel used to be German General Motors. Now the name belongs to Stellantis (FIAT - Chrysler) Front-motor, front-wheel drive (need it this way for good regenerative breaking. Early Teslas missed the mark) 200 hp (149 kW) permanent magnet motor/generator, 266 lb⋅ft (360 N⋅m) torque final drive gear ratio 7.05:1 66 kwh 2017–19: 60.0 kWh lithium-ion 2020–: 66.0 kWh lithium-ion 288 cells, 96 cell groups – three cells per group 120 V, 240 V AC, J1772, SAE Combo DC (CCS) Fast Charge Curb weight 3,563 lb (1,616 kg), always the Achilles heel of EV's, but this one is not that bad. Getting better. Final assembly takes place at GM's Orion Assembly plant in Orion Township, Michigan,[25] which received a US$160 million upgrade for Bolt production.[17] Manufacture of the battery, motor, and drive unit started in August 2016 at LG, Incheon, South Korea. My friends that have a Bolt, have had a couple of EVs. They always lease them because the technology is changing so rapidly. They are people who make good practical choices. An unnamed source cited by Bloomberg News estimated that General Motors is expected to take a loss of US$8,000 to US$9,000 per Bolt sold. A GM spokesman declined to comment about expected profitability.[22] Opel refuted that in December 2016 and stated that GM has battery cell costs of $130/kWh, and industry is not yet optimized for mass production.[23] A UBS tear-down in 2017 suggested slightly smaller losses per vehicle, of $7418 on a base spec, or $5520 on a higher spec vehicle.[24] They estimate that by 2025 the Bolt will make a profit of about $6000 per vehicle. The electric motor is integrated with a single-speed transmission and differential, to form a single modular drive unit that connects directly to the front axles. The single-speed transmission has a final drive ratio of 7.05:1. SJG Jane - School of Rock [view link]
  • Papi_Chulo
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    2 years ago
    “… Natural gas jumped over 11% this morning on headline news of EU stance , as more demand for the resource will be seen. …” Nat Gas prices have been supa volatile these last few months – 5% to 10% jumps in one day have not been that uncommon; but so have been 10%, 15% and even 20% drops, in one day
  • san_jose_guy
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    2 years ago
    The offer Bolt EV and also Bolt EUV. What is the difference? [view link] EUV is probably heavier They each have 10 airbags. I do not like air bags, but I know they are unavoidable. 17" alloy wheels THey have some purchase allowance rebates. Don't say what size tires this has, and probably they are special high pressure ones. Corvette C8, the mid engine one, does not come with a spare tire or have a place for one. Does this? Do other EV's have spare tires? SJG 2018 School of Rock AllStars Team 6 Set 1 at Union Transfer in Philadelphia, PA [view link] Set 2 [view link] Set 3 [view link]
  • TheeOSU
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    2 years ago
    ' I do not like air bags,' Then don't ever look in the mirror!
  • san_jose_guy
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    2 years ago
    So can we find a forum for the Chevy Bolt? Want much more info about it. Like they say the parking brake is activated by an electrical switch. You can use this switch whether the vehicle is on or not. Well for me that only raises more questions. Suppose the battery is flat? Suppose the electricals fail while the brake is supposed to be set. I want to know how it works. I wouldn't buy a combustion car without knowing how it works. So I don't think EV's are getting worked on by owners much. But there still might be a forum, and that would be a big plus for it. And look what we have: [view link] SJG [view link] "Long Way To The Top" - School of Rock Reunion Concert LIVE [view link] School of Rock 10 year reunion [view link] School of Rock Musical - Teachers Pet Combination [view link] Keep Me Hanging On [view link] Jefferson Starship - Jane - 2018 School of Rock AllStars Team 6, awesom lead singer [view link] Strange Kind of Women - Perfect Strangers - live at La Grande Ourse Concert Hall [view link] VANILLA FUDGE_You Keep Me Hanging On_BB Kings_6-22-13 [view link] Chambers Brothers - Time Has Come Today - Cleveland School of Rock [view link] Linda Ronstadt - You're No Good - 2016 School of Rock AllStars Team 6 [view link] School of Rock Reunion Concert - Jack Black - BEST QUALITY [view link] Electric Light Orchestra - Telephone Line - Chicago School of Rock [view link] Fleetwood Mac - Go Your Own Way - Team 1 2014 School of Rock AllStars [view link] Janis Joplin - Down On Me - School of Rock All-Stars Team 2 [view link] Aquarius - Hair - Team 5 2019 School of Rock AllStars [view link] Joe Cocker - With a Little Help From My Friends - Team 4 2019 School of Rock AllStars [view link]
  • mark94
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    2 years ago
    BMW is now selling a monthly subscription service for heated seats in your car. • Monthly fee: $18 • Annual fee: $180 The car will come with all the necessary components, but payment is needed to remove a software block.
  • san_jose_guy
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    2 years ago
    ^ software block, YIPES! Soon they will just directly tap into your bank account. BMW used to make I2, then I3. Still, and what are they like? Don't seem to make those anymore, they just have these: [view link] Well they have certified pre-owned I3 [view link] How about new? Yeah, just this: [view link] How about Lexus THey have these 7 [view link] Nissan has these two, including the new Leaf [view link] SJG SOR - Stairway to Heaven [view link] [view link]
  • san_jose_guy
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    2 years ago
    Honda EV's? [view link] they have this Insight Hybrid [view link] $25,760 STARTING MSRP * 55/49 CITY/HWY MPG RTG * How about Toyota Prius? basic Prius [view link] $25,075 Starting MSRP * 58/53 Est. MPG * SJG Dakota Cohen - Heart - Heartless with the School of Rock 2017 AllStars Team 7 [view link]
  • san_jose_guy
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    2 years ago
    Friend just purchased a BMW X3. They call this a Sports Activity Vehicle. [view link] Now, for myself I think any kind of SUV - SAV is ridiculous. Oh well. But he did not buy new, he bought a certified pre-owned 2018. He had to pay a fee to have it brought down from Oregon. It says 2.8L, which would be I6. But actually it has a smaller i4 and turbo charging. So it has the power, but using less gas at stop lights. Says that if you push the Economy Button it gets 40 MPG. I still think that is low and SUV's are silly. It has their hybrid X drive system, and that makes it feel like it never has to shift gears. I think it has regenerative braking, though I don't know how much of a traction battery it has. The issue will always be the weight of this system. Now of course this has wide low profile tires. I told him that for the best, get it some compatible steel wheels and get some mixed use snow tires. Snow is one of the reasons he bought this. Snow tires make a big difference, and mixed use means you can run on them all winter. The rims will be smaller, as the times will be higher profile. ANd they will be narrowers. Snow tires cut more down in. I gave him the admonition about bolts. He is used to Japanese and American with nuts on studs. IN my view this is better. But the europeans don't do it that way. So I told him that after you work on the car taking the wheels off, you drive it around the block, then see if they can be further tightened. Use the factory lug wrench as that is the right torque and what you will need to use for a road side fix. Like everytime you change the oil, see if the lug bolts can be tightened. If you work on the car just before a trip, pack the car with the lug wrench on top. THen the first time you stop for gas, see if the botls can be tightened. If you do that, probably they will be fine until your next oil change. The wheels just need to settle into their spots, and then get the final tightening. Don't do what a lot of shops do, overtighten them to have to avoid retightening. Long ago I saw a Gen 1 VW Rabbit Race Car. They did not change the rear, still the same bolts. But for the front they had a machine shot put in these fine threaded studs. SJG Jane - School of Rock [view link]
  • san_jose_guy
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    2 years ago
    So how does braking operate on this BMW hybrid SUV. They call it SAV, Sports Activity Vehicle. X3 8 speed automatic transmission should make this do real well! Spartanburg South Carolina Fuel Economy City 10.2 L/100km Highway 8.2 L/100km ^ not bad considering how big it is. P245/50R19 tires front and rear curb weight 1,833 kg (4,041 lb) (actually not that bad considering the X drive hybrid system is in there ) BMW X3 E83 Complete Brake Job DIY - YouTube ( he calls it "nuts", but clearly it has lug bolts) [view link] shows socket wrench impact driver, nice BMW X3 - how to turn on/off parking brake (2019 X3) [view link] ^ electric switch for parking brake BMW Parking brake Failed- How to manually release a stuck parking brake [view link] In the spare tire area they give you a special red tool to unlock the parking brake ??? In a little hatch from the trunk, rear quarter panel, on driver's side? Little screw you use the special read tool to pull up on. (I do not like this at all, making the brakes work that way ) I do not like this approach to the brakes. I was concerned when I read something about Chevy BOLT which sounded similar. SJG Seattle, also looking pretty good, much better than San Jose. The key is to get them in stripper shoes, strapped on, painted up, and in skirts or dresses. They they are the equal of strip club, Viet Coffee, or AMP girls. The rest of what they wear does not matter is it won't be staying on very long. [view link] [view link] [view link] [view link] Gimme Shelter - Rochester School of Rock [view link] Jane - School of Rock [view link] Grove Blue Organ Trio [view link]
  • san_jose_guy
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    2 years ago
    THE FIRST-EVER ALL-ELECTRIC BLAZER EV [view link] SJG
  • yahtzee74
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    2 years ago
    Sorry, WEF wants to limit all private cars because their aren't enough resources for clean EV. [view link]
  • shadowcat
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    2 years ago
    Fuck BMW. My 2018 Mustang GT has heated and or air conditioned seats and I don't pay any subscription costs.
  • Mate27
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    2 years ago
    ^^ but yiu pay for maintenance oil changes and fluids and $5/gallon gas. If a person plans on keeping a vehicle for 10 years or longer you come our way ahead cost wise from the EV, but you probably aren’t thinking longer term. For a busy person like me, I don’t want to be stopping at gas stations or setting up routine maintenance every 4-6 months. My neighbor is going to stop driving and he is selling me his Tesla when he’s done with it. Another two years or so I will be on board with driving EV. Even if I have to replace the battery for $10k, I still come out ahead after a few years.
  • san_jose_guy
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    2 years ago
    IONIQ 5, they say extremely limited quantities. [view link] SJG Figureoa [view link] Awesome [view link] Joe Bonamassa's Pentatonic Sequences [view link] Joe Bonamassa Official - "Breaking Up Somebody's Home" - Live At The Greek Theatre [view link]
  • conan_mac_morna
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    2 years ago
    I currently drive a Ford Escape PHEV. Previous EVs have been two Model S (2012 and 2015) and a Leaf. Tesla is a total blast to drive and low maintenance, but the electronics are extremely unreliable. A road trip from Phoenix to Vegas, 5 hours in an ICE car with maybe a stop in Kingman if I feel the need, takes 8 hours due to the need to recharge 3 times each way. The Leaf was just weird, especially being CHAdeMO instead of CCS. Escape is a good compact SUV, short range on battery (25 miles with the AC running, 40-ish without), 47 mpg in hybrid mode, comfortable and easy handling. I took it to Seattle and back in April with zero problems. What I'd really like to see is something like the Lucid Air or Taycan but half the price (and not funded by Mohammed Bone Saw in the former's case).
  • mark94
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    2 years ago
    Motor Trend tested the Ford F 150 Lightning and found it did a poor job of towing. Towing causes the battery to drain fast. A pick up truck that cant tow. [view link]
  • san_jose_guy
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    2 years ago
    Yeah, air drag really cuts into the range. Good Article. Stellantis is also committed to PEV pickup trucks and to towing and hauling. Not sure that they will fair any better. Not sure that the answer is. Maybe a hybrid electric vehicle. SJG This girl little bit older and heavier, looks a little more garish. She has an appeal because she gets out there and shows her stuff. Full height stripper shows and lots of makeup, but not much else. [view link]
  • Mate27
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    2 years ago
    My current truck will go from 17 mpg down to around 11 miles to the gallon. I’m sure the cut in range is proportional with EV by Ford. The energy capacity isn’t as large as the 42 gallon tank on my truck, so there’s the advantage to ICE. Not sure how large the batteries are, but I think there’s only one high end EV that has a 500 mile range. It’s price tag is outside of most upper middle class households.
  • san_jose_guy
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    2 years ago
    Ah, now with the EV there probably will not be the same range compression from highway to around town. The EV has regenerative braking, and as there is less air resistance and lower speeds, it is really favored for better range at lower speeds. Standard combustion vehicles do not have regenerative braking and the engine power is so large that they don't get good efficiency at lower speeds. SJG Figueroa [view link] Jane - School of Rock [view link]
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