For those who support the police

As the law is now, the penalties are the same for the prostitute as they are for the client.

But I have never ever solicited any woman, nor will I. No reason to do it that way, no reason to talk to a woman like that.

SJG

^^ This is called "whataboutism." It's a favorite deflection strategy of the soft-headed.

Its also just Icey introducing another vantage point. Most of the people on this board claim to be law abiding, yet there seems to be a big exception.

SJG

@SJG, yes, ICEE introduces the vantage point of one's head up one's anus.

Few of us pretend to be saints here. I sure don't, but I see a difference between consensually paying to get one's rocks off and drunk driving, stealing or destroying someone's livelihood, lying to someone I've promised to be faithful to, or causing direct bodily harm.

Well, the negative depiction of prostitution usually only applies to the bottom end of the market, and to immigrants and minorities.

And usually it is the woman provider who gets busted, not the male client.

White escorts are left alone.

"Immigrants, in particular, are oftentimes the target of prostitution investigations, and face potentially serious immigration consequences upon conviction for prostitution."

https://www.bernardbraylaw.com/practice-…

SJG

let's see how far Off Topic we can drive this thread

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prostitution, the practice of engaging in relatively indiscriminate sexual activity, in general with someone who is not a spouse or a friend, in exchange for immediate payment in money or other valuables. Prostitutes may be female or male or transgender, and prostitution may entail heterosexual or homosexual activity, but historically most prostitutes have been women and most clients men.

Perceptions of prostitution are based on culturally determined values that differ between societies. In some societies, prostitutes have been viewed as members of a recognized profession; in others they have been shunned, reviled, and punished with stoning, imprisonment, and death. Few societies have exercised the same severity toward clients; indeed, in many societies, clients suffer few if any legal repercussions. In some cultures, prostitution has been required of young girls as a rite of puberty or as a means of acquiring a dowry, and some religions have required prostitution of a certain class of priestesses. The ancient Greeks and Romans mandated that prostitutes wear distinctive dress and pay severe taxes. Hebrew law did not forbid prostitution but confined the practice to foreign women. Among the ordinances laid down by Moses to regulate public health were several dealing with sexually transmitted diseases.

In Europe during the Middle Ages, church leaders attempted to rehabilitate penitent prostitutes and fund their dowries. Nevertheless, prostitution flourished: it was not merely tolerated but also protected, licensed, and regulated by law, and it constituted a considerable source of public revenue. Public brothels were established in large cities throughout Europe. At Toulouse, in France, the profits were shared between the city and the university; in England, bordellos were originally licensed by the bishops of Winchester and subsequently by Parliament.

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Stricter controls were imposed during the 16th century, in part because of the new sexual morality that accompanied the Protestant Reformation and the Counter-Reformation. Just as significant was the dramatic upsurge of sexually transmitted diseases. Sporadic attempts were made to suppress brothels and even to introduce medical inspections, but such measures were to little avail.


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In the late 19th century a variety of changes in Western societies revived efforts to suppress prostitution. With the rise of feminism, many came to regard male libertinism as a threat to women’s status and physical health. Also influential was a new religious-based moralism in Protestant countries. Antiprostitution campaigns flourished from the 1860s, often in association with temperance and women’s suffrage movements. International cooperation to end the traffic in women for the purpose of prostitution began in 1899. In 1921 the League of Nations established the Committee on the Traffic in Women and Children, and in 1949 the United Nations General Assembly adopted a convention for the suppression of prostitution.

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In the United States, prostitution was at best sporadically controlled until passage of the federal Mann Act (1910), which prohibited interstate transportation of women for “immoral purposes.” By 1915 nearly all states had passed laws that banned brothels or regulated the profits of prostitution. After World War II, prostitution remained prohibited in most Western countries, though it was unofficially tolerated in some cities. Many law-enforcement agencies became more concerned with regulating the crimes associated with the practice, especially acts of theft and robbery committed against clients. Authorities also intervened to prevent girls from being coerced into prostitution (“white slavery”). Prostitution is illegal in most of the United States, though it is lawful in some counties in Nevada.

In most Asian and Middle Eastern countries, prostitution is illegal but widely tolerated. Among predominantly Muslim countries, Turkey has legalized prostitution and made it subject to a system of health checks for sex workers, and in Bangladesh prostitution is notionally legal but associated behaviours such as soliciting are prohibited. In some Asian countries the involvement of children in prostitution has encouraged the growth of “sex tourism” by men from countries where such practices are illegal. Many Latin American countries tolerate prostitution but restrict associated activities. In Brazil, for example, brothels, pimping, and child exploitation are illegal.

During the 1980s, attitudes toward prostitution changed radically through two major developments. One was the worldwide spread of AIDS, which increased concern about public health problems created by prostitution. In Africa especially, one factor in the rapid spread of AIDS was the prostitution industry serving migrant labourers. A second influential development was a renewal of feminist interest and the perspective that prostitution is both a consequence and a symptom of gender-based exploitation. Reflecting these shifting attitudes, from the 1980s the more neutral term sex worker was increasingly employed to describe those involved in commercial sex activities.

It is difficult to generalize about the background or conditions of prostitutes because so much of what is known about them derives from studies of poorer and less-privileged individuals, people who are more likely to come into contact with courts and official agencies. Much more is known about streetwalkers, for example, than about the higher-status women who can be more selective about their clients and work conditions. Based on available studies, though, it is reasonable to assert that female sex workers often are economically disadvantaged and lack skills and training to support themselves. Many are drawn at an early age into prostitution and associated crime, and drug dependency can be an aggravating factor. They frequently are managed by a male procurer, or pimp, or by a supervisor, or madam, in a house of prostitution. Health hazards to prostitutes include sexually transmitted diseases, some of which may be acquired through drug abuse. Male prostitution has received less public attention in most cultures. Heterosexual male prostitution—involving males hired by or for females—is rare. Homosexual male prostitution has probably existed in most societies, though only in the 20th century was it recognized as a major social phenomenon, and its prevalence increased during the late 20th and early 21st century.

Chef explains it well here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZDVSyEI…

Chef: Hello there, children!
Children: Hey, Chef
Stan: Chef, what's a prostitute?
Chef:Dag-nabbit children! How come every time you come in here
you gotta be askin' me questons that I shouldn't be answering?!
"Chef, what's the clitoris?" "What's a lesbian, Chef?" "How come they
call it a rim jub, Chef?" For once, can't just come in here and say,
"Hi Chef. Nice day, isn't it?"
Stan: Hi Chef. Nice day, isn't it?
Chef: It sure is! Thank you.
Stan: Chef, what's a prostitute?
Chef: Uh uh! You children are gonna get me in trouble with the principal again.
Cartman: Lunchtime! I'm starved!
Chef: Oh my God. Eric?
Cartman: That's me.
Stan: Chef was just about to tell us what a protitute is.
Chef: Why do you need to know what a prostitue is anyway?!
Stan: Because Jesus told us that Kenny's a prostitute. Is he?
Kenny: Yeah. Am I?
Chef: Well, no, uh of course Kenny is not a prostitute.
Kyle: Why?
Chef: Well, because, children, a prostitute is someone who...
you could pay for certain services.
Stan: Like what?
Chef: Like keeping you company. Understand?
Stan: No.
Chef: You see, chidren, sometimes a man needs to be with a woman.
But sometimes, when the lovin' is over, the woman just wants to talk and talk
and talk and talk.

[song]
But a prostitute is someone who would love you
No matter who you are, or what you look like.
Yes, it's true, children.
That's not why you pay a prostitute,
No, you don't pay her to stay, you pay her to leave afterwards.
That's why I pays a lot for prostitutes! Ladies and Gentlemen, Mr. James Taylor.

James Taylor: A prostitute is like any other woman
They all trade somethin' for sex and they do it well.
Chef: And that's why I say-
Chef and James Taylor: Prostitutes! Prostitutes! They-
Chef: Oohhhh [sees principal]
James Taylor, what the hell are you doin' in here?!
Singing' about prostitutes to the children! Get out of here!

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Girl with big bare ass at start of this video
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Most of the time when a man is dealing with a prostitute, he is in fact paying her to leave.

It is not like that for me now, and it will not be true.

But it was in effect like that when I was married.

SJG

I thought people knew this but apparently not:
The police don’t make laws. They don’t prosecute for violations of laws. They don’t even determine what laws will be the focus of enforcement - that’s the tool of State Attorneys General, City DAs, local governments - not the police.

Yes, largely true, but police do have some areas of discretion.

DA Chesa Boudin in San Francisco has committed to not ever enforcing the prostitution law.

SJG

ThatGuy, you know absolutely nothing about me. My f2f life is private and well defended.

SJG

Three Our Fathers
& four Hail Marys

But only for a 2nd conviction
Nod and a wink for the 1st.

ask dancers or servers if they meet outside the club for money or anything like that?

Not sure if I understand you. Consenting adults might be exchanging money at any time.

SJG

Interesting.

So some of you can rant about rittenhouse being able to get away with murder. You legitimate the January 6 coup attempt and subsequent murders. George Floyd deserved to get murdered by the police. But you don't deserve to be punished for soliciting prostitution???

https://www.egattorneys.com/blog/what-is…

"It should be noted that pimping and pandering are straight felony crimes, not a “wobbler."

"Note that force, fear, or coercion are not required under the definition of pimping. While it is unlikely a case would be filed in this circumstance, technically someone is guilty of pimping if they have a friend who is a prostitute who voluntarily shares their prostitution earnings."

"Even if the panderer receives no compensation at any point, they can still be guilty under Penal Code Section 266i provided that the defendant is providing the encouragement or inducement for the prostitution activity to occur." (aka "putting them on a winning team)

Again what punishment do you deserve for your crimes since you are arrogant and fucked up enough to decide who gets an extra judicial execution or becomes the victim of domestic terrorism? Is it so hard for you to be accountable for your crime?

https://www.findlaw.com/criminal/crimina…

"Procurement of a person for the purpose of prostitution. In many states, a broad range of behaviors qualifies as procurement: securing a spot in a brothel for someone, threatening a person with violence unless they become a sex worker, ***giving a substantial gift to entice someone to become a sex worker***, etc. This element is also satisfied if a person attempt to procure a person for prostitution."

^ Like paying their tip out and buying them blow.

"The penalties for violating pimping and pandering laws are much more severe than those for prostitution or solicitation. Unlike prostitution and solicitation, which are classified as misdemeanors in most states, pimping and pandering are typically classified as felonies. Committing these crimes may subject the violator to over a decade of jail time and tens of thousands of dollars in monetary punishment, depending on applicable state law and whether the sex worker involved was a minor."

^ This is going to be ICEE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gLN3QoN…

LMFAO icee is always trying to deflect from the crime of pimping. 🤭🤡🤡🤡

icee has issues with soliciting prostitution yet loves to exploit prostitutes 🤭🤦🤦🤦

^ They don't like sex offenders in the pen.

Squeal like a pig!
https://youtu.be/LtAkf0UMeLA

icee hating on tricks is like a drug dealer hating on users. 🤭🤣🤣🤣

Its comical how smart this imbecile thinks he is.

Again. What punishment do you think you deserve for violating the law?

^The same as you for buying and smoking weed when it was 'illegal.' Or like the time you shoplifted which you recently admitted to. Or that time you violated the speed limit. Get your silly logic outta here, maybe that shit works on the low self esteem fatties you chase at the lower tier clubs like Chicas Bonitas. Smh.

Ok I didnt read the thread.

But what about police who solicit prostitution and receive sex services then do a 180 and arrest the girl??? That shit is fucked up.

Blahblah any interaction with the cops is basically like that. They potentially want to find a reason to arrest anyone.



Tricks....so none of you will answer what punishment you deserve. But have no problem pretending to have a moral high ground in sentencing people to extrajudicial executions. Suck fucks

===> So some of you can rant about rittenhouse being able to get away with murder. George Floyd deserved to get murdered by the police. But you don't deserve to be punished for soliciting prostitution???

It's bad logic trying to conflate 3 separate issues.

Rittenhouse was attacked by people trying to take his gun. They got what was coming to them.

George Floyd should not have died that day. Yes he was a piece of shit who hurt a lot of people and yes his death made the world a little better place, but that was not for the police to decide.

But why are you comparing killings to misdemeanor prostitution? You logic is way off here. Lots of misdemeanor crimes go lightly enforced.

LMFAO icee the pimp and drug dealer is butthurt and taking the high moral ground over soliciting prostitution.

That's rich as fuck. 🤭🤡🤡🤡

Every day that goes by I am happier than the day before that George Floyd is dead. Today I will go soliciting and on the way home drunk drive. Gimmee some white boy priv babee. Bengals cover the spread boys, go make you some titty money. Pats cover too .....bbjcim money.

False equivalence.

The police *are* fucking bastards, but Rittenhouse's case is only relevant to that because he wasn't killed by cops immediately, where a black man would have been.

By your "logic" floyd deserved to get killed for not doing what cops told him to. Huber deserved to be murdered for trying to disarm rittenhouse . Grosskreutz and rosenbaum deserved to be shot by rittenhouse. So what do you deserve for soliciting prostitution? Does a cop or vigilante have the right to shoot you? Do you deserve a taliban style extrajudicial execution?

^ I feel a little disabled today.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.indepen…

Icee you should really look into the meaning of making a strawman argument.

I think icee is extremely conflicted. As a pimp and thus exploiter of prostitutes, one would think that she would not have issue with those soliciting prostitution since it fits into the business model of prostitution itself. But yet, as evidenced by her extreme disdain for it in her posts, ad nauseam, it seems completely contradictory and moreover counterproductive towards her own means of living.

Which begs the question as to WHY. Why would a self proclaimed pimp and one who admits to managing stripper whores have such disdain for solicitation? Is it because her sister is a stripper whore? Is it because of her very own shame and guilt of misogyny and exploiting drug addicted whores? 🤔

^ And why would ICEE come here? I've never seen anyone hang so much around, and solicit the approval of, people he dislikes and who dislike him back.

I saw a review of Little Darlins a few days ago where there's a stripper ho named Icy working there

I didn’t know James Taylor likes prostitutes.

Okay RacistSlurformerlybannedasIceyLoco, I'll answer your question.

If I get tried and convicted for whatever crime, including solicitation, then I deserve whatever sentence the Judge hands down. I believe in personal responsibility. You make your choices, you take your chances.

However, I think your basic premise is specious. In a strip club, asking a naked dancer that has a grip on my rock hard dick if she is interested in OTC most likely wouldn't meet the standards for solicitation. I'm suggesting a change of venue, not a change of behavior, therefore I am not inducing her monetarily to commit a crime. Splitting hairs? sure, but plausible deniability is the reason Seeking Arrangement is legal and Backpage isn't.

Most of my recent interactions with the police have been largely negative and I'm fairly easy to deal with and just don't talk or act retarded.

I'm kinda starting to really hate their fucking guts anymore though.

Every part of an interaction with the pugs is aimed at finding any reason to take you in. Every question Everything you tell them or show them is looked at with suspicion. Add to it that hiring practices set the bar pretty low. The militarization of the police. And there you have it.



And the tricks won't answer a simple question. Lulz

And the pimp and drug dealer doesn't understand her own irony. Lulz.

LMFAO that icee the shoplifter, drug dealer, and pimp has an issue with the police. 🤭🤡

^^^ We won't dignify your "question" with a response, because it's rich to get a morality lecture from a felon like you.

You're defending domestic terrorism sex tourism misappropriating your employers funds. Why not just say what you deserve for solicitation?

But icee, I'm retired, no employer funds.

LMFAO icee will double down on her self owns. Yet another thread that proves it. 🤭🤣🤣🤣

Icee the pimp takes all the money from her coke junkie whores and then preaches about how others misappropriate their income. 🤭🤡🤡🤡

^ What do I deserve? Per the Netherlands, a subsidy.

What do you care? After all, you're putting them on a winning team, therefore it's a few bucks in your pocket (before it goes up your nose), isn't it?

Trolladon American laws apply to you.

Yoire saying tricks deserve government subsidies for hookers but oppose universal Healthcare. Sick fuck

My views on universal healthcare are more complex than your pea brain can handle.

I'm sure you can explain the differences between British, French, German, and Singaporean systems, can't you? Or does the fact that I'm not bobbing Sanders' shriveled little old knob tell you everything you need to know?

===> "By your "logic" floyd deserved to get killed for not doing what cops told him to. Huber deserved to be murdered for trying to disarm rittenhouse . Grosskreutz and rosenbaum deserved to be shot by rittenhouse."

Actually I said that Floyd didn't deserve to get killed. Read more slowly.

But yes, the guys who attacked Rittenhouse got what they deserved. I saw the video - these were not three good Samaritans just wondering by. They were part of a rioting mob.

Did rittenhouse murder someone and woujd others? Did he show up to a protest armed with the intent to do so?

"^ And why would ICEE come here? I've never seen anyone hang so much around, and solicit the approval of, people he dislikes and who dislike him back."

^^^ @Tetra For sure she is here to troll anyone PL that does extras and beyond with strippers. Anyone that's P4P. And with this she's able to deflect her guilt of using and exploiting strippers herself onto all those PLs. On top of this is her resent of PLs because of her stripper sister. And lastly she has low self esteem and loathes herself. Basically, TUSCL makes her feel better about herself.

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