$40 Dances and The End of Humanity

If you think that’s bad, the Prairie Chicken in Chamberlain SD has $50 couch dances per song and $100 for a bed dance one song. (Granted that club is only open during specific times of a the year. )

I feel like the clubs that have horrible dance prices like this are the clubs that fuck the girls over with their house fees. I could be wrong though.

My home club has $40 single song and 3/$100 and both house and tip out fees are pretty decent. Actually since I mostly work daytime, I usually don’t pay a house fee and my tip out obligation is $15 (though I usually give more). The flip side is the customers are super accustomed to being babysat for a while but that also may just be the club location I’m at too (it’s in an isolated place away from any “pass through” areas so it’s mostly locals)

Granted there is the chicken or the egg of slow sales vs higher prices, but from what I’ve gathered secondhand Portland, for example, was already like that even back when dance price standard was $25. Prices NEEDED to come up over there lol.

$40 dance would be a bargain in my area.

Normally, I would think supply and demand would work that out. Granted, strip club managers are not usually the brightest bulbs on the tree nor are they all that prone to independent thinking. Ideally one club in an area could charge high prices and another one much cheaper prices. Then the customers and dancers would vote with their feet. Unfortunately there seems to be too much copycat behavior in this industry.

$40 for a dance is ridiculous, fuck rome, no way no how, no where!

Now a little perspective. Not much lately but in previous years I frequented the Akron clubs where $5 per dance was the norm and other Northern Ohio clubs where $10-$15 was the norm. In some cases prices have gone up a little since then but I work for my cash and I'm not throwing $40 away for 2 or 3 minutes.

We had a local club here in Indianapolis, PT's, where each dancer was allowed to set her own lap dance prices. The average price went from $25 per dance up to $40 or $50. The dancer thinking seemed to be if I charge twice as much I'll make twice as much money. The numbers of customers slowly declined as they switched over to other clubs with lower set prices and the ones who did show up bought fewer dances. The empty club gave a creepy vibe to the place instead of the previous party atmosphere and that further decreased numbers of customers. Eventually the club required a lower set price. The girls on their own never figured out the high prices weren't working and voluntarily lowered their prices.

About 10 years ago, I frequented a club in SoCal that priced its dances at $50. It was the only club with decent mileage in a fairly well off area.

BTW San Francisco has not had clubs with lap dances for nearly 11 months. Makes some wish there were $40 dances again.

Atlanta has been pretty much steady at $10/dance with 3 or 4 black clubs charging only $5 for dances that are cut short. I don't go to them. But there are 2 club that have have raised prices since COVID started. One went to $15. The other to $20. I haven't been to either of those clubs since but it is the dance quality that keeps me away. The most I have ever paid for a dance is $20 when I have been out of town. I guess I have been spoiled. I refuse to pay more than $20/dance.

$40 a dance lol. Just another reason to be done. A boycott of clubs once they reopen would solve this, but people are weak. Just another reason to be done.

$40 for 3 minutes of effort?...Geez, hard to justify that for just a dance.

Here in Phoenix girls are starting to push selling VIPs. $370 cash or $400 cc. The room includes 1 free drink for both and its for 30 minutes.

I don’t remember ever paying $40 for a dance. That is steep.

The general prices in my area are from $20-25 a dance. Mileage varies significantly - depending on club - and dancer. But the $20 dances can be very good.

I agree that $40 is too much, and is actually counterproductive to the club and the dancers. This is what I said in a comment on a review of a club I had been to in Greensboro, NC:

"When I was there, no customers did any $40 single dances, but when they ran the two-for-$40 promo, everyone did those, which makes sense. What doesn't make sense is charging $40 for a single dance when the other clubs in town charge $30. The mileage is on the low side here, and $40 a dance is outrageous. For that matter, so is $30 for what little mileage you get here, but at $40, no one is buying them. If they charged the Greensboro-standard $30, maybe people would buy some of those during the hour between 2-4-1 promos; the girls would make more money and so would the club. Duh."

The highest I ever experienced was in NOLA during Mardi Gras when most ladies were asking $50! a dance; crazy. I saw all the boobs I needed to see out on the street and in the regular bars courtesy of some cheap beads....THAT part was fantastic.

Since becoming addicted to Mexico, a reasonable distance for me, I have nearly quit clubbing in the US, and that was before $40 drifted to the norm. My favorite Rancho Cordova club was $30 with some mileage guaranteed. Add COVID issues and my bank account is growing. I call $40/$50 dances the cure for my clubbing obsession.

I would pay $40 for a dance from Nice any day!

I don't do lap dances so I'm relatively more insulated from this. When lap dances went up 50% from $20 to $30 here, VIP dances went up 20% from $100 to $120 for 3 songs. The difference in prices between 3 lappers vs 3 song VIP is getting closer and closer, but the mileage is waaaaay better in the VIP, not even close. Only downside is that you have to commit the full $120 for the VIP, but given that I drink with the girl for quite a while first, it's usually a good bet.

So, ITC is for drinking with the girl, VIPs, and getting her to agree to OTC.

The post about VIP made me think of something else: fuck places where you’re locked to $20 per song and room time-blocks of over a thousand an hour with no balanced options in the middle. Either allow dancers to charge $40-50 for a song or introduce a lower tier option. Glares at Austin

Though as far as dance prices and profit, I honestly think earnings averages out to something similar most shifts. Just one personal opinion though. Though I’m not opposed to going as low as $10 for a dance if it’s the right club and it’s consistent and low-stress enough.

I think a lot of clubs have moved to $25 or $30 already. Then you have the chains who upcharge $20 extra for full nude dances. Also a bunch of “get X dances for $100” where X is usually 3 or 4.

If you check inflation data since 1982, you'll find that CPI doubles about every 22 years. I recall several clubs in the mid to late 90's where $20 dances were the norm in several clubs. Such as Olympic Gardens-LV, Crazy Horse 2-LV (1994 - 1996 visits), Men's Club - Dallas (1997), PT's - Indy (1993 - 1999 visits), Mons Venus and 2001 - Tampa ( 1990, on, though 3 for 50 at Mons was common in the 90's). At San Francisco- Centerfolds in 1998, $20 would get you a bikini only dance, $40 would get you a "good" nude contact dance. In the early 2000's, price went up to $60, some dancers were asking $80. I quit going to club after that.

A quick perusal of ssa.gov average salary figures from 1990 on show that it takes ~ 23 years for average salary to double. I don't like it, but some inflation adjustment is inevitable.

^^^ You're fired!!!

Here in PHX theres no contact due to COVID, girls stands behind a line for 20. Youre better off sitting in pervert row and tipping. i havent done the VIPs because there wasnt a need due to high contact lap dances. 370 paid gives the house too much leverage. i dont get the inflation argument, salaries have remained stagnant since the 1970s

Private Dances in my area are still $20 a pop on the floor and in VIP, and YMWV all over the place. If you don't have to pay a VIP upcharge, it's like the gift that keeps on giving. Some of the girls around Austin, TX were trying to bump up VIP dances to $30 or $40 a song, and those were the dancers that didn't get picked because there were so many options. The Dell mazillionaires can keep them fed. When my local clubs reopened again I just stopped going because the hustle was so high. I get that this whole situation hinges on where you club, but that's that the situation where I'm at. I'm turning down jackpots whenever I walk in a club now because every dancer I say yes to today is another dancer I'll have to take a pass on tomorrow. If you're spending money ITC right now you can't blend in. I've backed off clubs just because the dancers are so hungry it's not fun anymore, and I need the ranks of girls who recognize me to thin out.

Salty, you're probably thinking "Inflation Adjusted Salaries", not actual salaries. In my profession, the similar job description now pays ~ 5 times greater than it did in 1974 absolute dollars.

^^^ your fired!!!

No more dollars for you minnow

Ima dumpa load

I live right outside of NYC and the steepest I've ever paid was $30 a dance and that place had an option for $20 room low mileage and $30 room lots of privacy

Even though I’m not an “extras-first” kinda PL, once dances start getting past $20, for me the extras vs lap-dances equation starts to tilt a bit more towards extras (by "not extras first” I mean that most of my visits I don’t go in w/ the primary intention of getting extras, although sometimes that is my primary reason for the visit; but most of my extras-encounters are kinda on the spur/heat of the moment) – and of course, in clubs where extras are not doable then the extras vs LDs equation is mute.

As most of us know, there are PLs that are into the “fave system”, and others into the “variety system” – I’m in the variety-camp – instead of looking for the best dancer I can find to my all/most of my time/$$$ with, I look for as many dancers as possible on a visit that I can be with as long as they fall within my “PL-parameters” – my SCing M.O. means I rather spend most of my visit getting good dances, vs talking for most of the visit and getting some dances – b/c of my SCing-style I am sensitive to the price per dance since my M.O. is to get with as many girls as I can on a visit (that are my type).

Seems certain clubs and/or dancers may be jacking-up prices due to lost Covid income; or it may be b/c there are less custies in the clubs (or less custies allowed in the club) and they can’t depend on volume.

Problem is one would think that once things “get back to normal” that it would be pretty-unlikely that prices got rolled-back (assuming they had increased them due to low-custy-volume).

A good # of vet-PLs that have been at this for a while will probably have a hard-time swallowing higher dance prices – but I wonder if the next-generation of PLs will have less resistance to the higher-dance-prices since they never got to experience the lower-prices.

The worst thing now is no lap dances just VIP. Tjat will kill q lot of clubs