As a gringo who has been to HK a few times, I don’t have the stones to have even a fleeting thought of rape. I have no doubt at best, I’d be relieved of my cash, beaten and sent back to the border. At best. Maybe TJ is fueled off the implication...
They log who you're going upstairs with, what time you go up, and how long you're going up for... I'm guessing that what "generally" happens is that you get first hand experience on what the local ER is like from a patient's perspective.
I have no doubt that some gringos have tried it, but it would take a special kind of stupid to do so unless you're rich or connected enough to buy your way out of the mess that'll probably rain down. These places are not run and staffed by kindly old abuelas.
The show of force is literally almost everywhere in the zona. Your only real rape risk as a bar girl would be from management, security or police not customers
Never did get the whole story, but a number of years ago a group of six Arabs rented one of the penthouses, brought a girl up, and attempted a gang bang. She wasn't into it and refused. They attacked her and tried to rape her. The management was not kind in the response and four of them ended up hospitalized.
When I first started going to Hong Kong, they were very casual and if you had your room for the night, you did not have to check in. Girls would some times spend two or three hours with me. After this attack, everybody was required to check in and they will come looking for her after an hour. Of course, being an enterprising organization, they soon discovered the financial benefit of requiring a purchase from the house if a girl stays more than one hour. (Occasionally ATFs have given false room numbers, because they know they will be with me more than an hour and don't want me to be burdened with a knock.)
I think there have been a few other attacks, where the situation got out-of-hand. I have been told stories of mongers thinking it is funny to pinch a girl's ass so hard it raises a bruise. Or demanding more than what was negotiated and rather than walk away, the monger decided to take what he wanted.
So it isn't often, but getting out-of-line is often met with a 10-times response.
Twentyfive makes a good point. Especially because Vegas customers already have a reputation for aggression, as in one step below Texans kind of aggression. Whatever one does to get kicked out of a Vegas club was probably quite a bit.
I can't imagine it happens a lot around TJ brothels. If anyone there wants sex all they have to do is pay a very reasonable fee.
If some sick fuck is dumb enough to rape a girl at one of the clubs I imagine it will end very poorly for them (as it should anywhere someone rapes anyone). I'm not sure if the guy should hope the club's bouncers or the Mexican police catch them first.
At the club/hotel the BGs seem relatively safe though I am sure there is always the possibility of some dirtbag trying.
Some BGs would talk about how unsafe they felt returning back to their hotels once their shift ended, especially those whose shift ended at midnight or later.
HK does have a shuttle service to help the BGs, so they do not have to walk to other hotels (aside from Rizos or Cascadas).
I picked up a few BGs from their hotel (not Rizo or Cascadas) to go shopping or to dinner and some of those hotels were in ugly places of the Zona Norte.
One BG was so concerned about her safety she asked he to buy her a tazer.
Another BG told me two stories:
She claimed for about a week there was a man pulling BGs into the alleys and attempting to rape them, they did not catch the man but the authorities did patrol more often.
She also claimed a small group of customers tried to rape a BG in their room and she ran out and told the management, which immediately threw them out (after a beating), took their pictures and told them to never return, and had them picked up by the cops.
I would assume some custies abusing providers (rape, physical violence, etc) happens whether it's TJ or not - one would think clubs like HKTJ offer a more controlled environment where a girl would have more recourse and a certain amount of protection but nothing in life is foolproof and there are some serious fucked up people in society - I'd say the dangers of a girl in a club in TJ getting raped are not zero similar to the chances of dying on a plane-crash are not zero either; but neither seems to be common.
"... I asked due to a discussion that came up on Reddit. Apparently people think prostitutes will get raped more often if prostitution became legal ..."
I've never heard that argument - but I guess anyone can make an argument about anything - IME the opposite argument is usually made - that if it was legal then providers would be more apt to report such things and this may dissuade perpetrators that count on the provider not saying anything b/c she was involved in something illegal (hooking).
I've never been to a TJ club, but I always assumed the custies were mostly non-nationals (non-Mexicans) coming from some place else (U.S. and even other places like Asia); at least for the top clubs like HK - I would think the avg guy would be aware he'd be in a heap of trouble if anything happened in Mexico - their laws are different not to mention a great amount of corruption - and AFAIK there is no bail in Mexico and it could be you stay in jail till you're (hopefully) proven innocent - and being in a Mexican jail one would assume is no picnic even in the context of jails.
That is kinda one minor concern I have about going to TJ - I've had a few arguments with ROBs over the years b/c I refuse to back down and just pay up; and I think this would be extra-risky in MX/TJ - granted, I'd likely have the sense to not let that happen in TJ (although I can be a stubborn PL); and I also have not heard many reports of ROBs; but it's still something in the back of my PL-mind especially since I haven't been there in person yet (i.e. that a TJ dancer would try to shake me down then get me in trouble b/c I didn't play ball).
I have yet to encounter a true ROB in my trips down there. Closest has been a few who did the minimum to finish me off, but that's my bad for not negotiating clearly before going up to the room.
IMO the girls have a lot more to worry about than you because if they generate enough complaints from the PLs then they risk getting turfed from what is (to them) the most lucrative job that they will ever hold. I have seen a deer-in-the-headlights look from time to time if I get up from a table before the girl has finished her ficha.
An ATF that lived in Tecate and commuted by cab relayed a few minor incidents in the club; ass hats that got rough with her, but nothing life threatening.
OTOH, she also relayed a story about how a taxi driver got out of hand, tried to drive her to a remote area and attacker. She emptied a can of pepper spray on him and fled. She has also been attacked on the street, robed and beaten. Once she was hospitalized and wasn't sure she would be able to walk again.
The point being that the girls are much more at risk alone outside the clubs than they are in the clubs.
And likely the same would apply if brothels were legal in the USA. I worked for the RE firm that brokered the sale of the Moonlight Bunny Ranch to Dennis Hof. (I was not licensed in NV, so I could not be involved in the transaction, but I did visit a few times.) The guest room in the Nevada brothels have panic buttons scattered around the rooms. In addition, the rooms are bugged and conversations monitored, primarily because financial negotiations are conducted in the room and the house takes 50%. If they were not monitored, the girls could under report their income.
With a setup like that, any clients that get out-of-hand would be dealt with swiftly.
So stupid that most developed countries in the world have some form of legal prostitution and seem to deal with it in a safe and sane manner. The demand will always be there. Why not tax and regulate it rather than wasting law enforcement resources?
Of course, if voting were limited to this audience, I could probably be elected President if I got prostitution legalized...on a write-in candidacy.
I agree with @mongo1964 though I did encounter one ROB experience (a BG who found a way to waste the 30 minutes without doing her job).
And I reported her to HK management and a few months later I saw her working at Adelita's rather than HK, which is definitely a step down (from a money making standpoint).
I will say occasionally you would see a BG call out a PL for groping her without paying a $1 or $2 and usually the PL will hand over a few Bucks and all is forgiven.
Though one time a PL did not want to pay denying he groped her (though I saw he groped her) and after a heated discussion with a mesero and security he was escorted out.
Last January I was sitting in HK with one of my ATF bar girls and we were going through her pictures on her phone when I saw a picture of a guy beaten to a pulp. His face looked like raw meat, he was seated in a chair with someone forcing his head up for the photo. She explained that during the session he attempted to go bareback without consent. When she objected he started kicking her (she showed me other photos of her bruises). She told me that she opened the door and shouted for security and multiple security personnel arrived and adjusted his attitude.
`I guess I'm not. understanding the scenario, because the girl goes with you to a room to have sex so this is concensual 97% of the time. But even if a guy refused to pay it is still not a rape.
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They log who you're going upstairs with, what time you go up, and how long you're going up for... I'm guessing that what "generally" happens is that you get first hand experience on what the local ER is like from a patient's perspective.
I have no doubt that some gringos have tried it, but it would take a special kind of stupid to do so unless you're rich or connected enough to buy your way out of the mess that'll probably rain down. These places are not run and staffed by kindly old abuelas.
When I first started going to Hong Kong, they were very casual and if you had your room for the night, you did not have to check in. Girls would some times spend two or three hours with me. After this attack, everybody was required to check in and they will come looking for her after an hour. Of course, being an enterprising organization, they soon discovered the financial benefit of requiring a purchase from the house if a girl stays more than one hour. (Occasionally ATFs have given false room numbers, because they know they will be with me more than an hour and don't want me to be burdened with a knock.)
I think there have been a few other attacks, where the situation got out-of-hand. I have been told stories of mongers thinking it is funny to pinch a girl's ass so hard it raises a bruise. Or demanding more than what was negotiated and rather than walk away, the monger decided to take what he wanted.
So it isn't often, but getting out-of-line is often met with a 10-times response.
If some sick fuck is dumb enough to rape a girl at one of the clubs I imagine it will end very poorly for them (as it should anywhere someone rapes anyone). I'm not sure if the guy should hope the club's bouncers or the Mexican police catch them first.
Some BGs would talk about how unsafe they felt returning back to their hotels once their shift ended, especially those whose shift ended at midnight or later.
HK does have a shuttle service to help the BGs, so they do not have to walk to other hotels (aside from Rizos or Cascadas).
I picked up a few BGs from their hotel (not Rizo or Cascadas) to go shopping or to dinner and some of those hotels were in ugly places of the Zona Norte.
One BG was so concerned about her safety she asked he to buy her a tazer.
Another BG told me two stories:
She claimed for about a week there was a man pulling BGs into the alleys and attempting to rape them, they did not catch the man but the authorities did patrol more often.
She also claimed a small group of customers tried to rape a BG in their room and she ran out and told the management, which immediately threw them out (after a beating), took their pictures and told them to never return, and had them picked up by the cops.
I've never heard that argument - but I guess anyone can make an argument about anything - IME the opposite argument is usually made - that if it was legal then providers would be more apt to report such things and this may dissuade perpetrators that count on the provider not saying anything b/c she was involved in something illegal (hooking).
That is kinda one minor concern I have about going to TJ - I've had a few arguments with ROBs over the years b/c I refuse to back down and just pay up; and I think this would be extra-risky in MX/TJ - granted, I'd likely have the sense to not let that happen in TJ (although I can be a stubborn PL); and I also have not heard many reports of ROBs; but it's still something in the back of my PL-mind especially since I haven't been there in person yet (i.e. that a TJ dancer would try to shake me down then get me in trouble b/c I didn't play ball).
I have yet to encounter a true ROB in my trips down there. Closest has been a few who did the minimum to finish me off, but that's my bad for not negotiating clearly before going up to the room.
IMO the girls have a lot more to worry about than you because if they generate enough complaints from the PLs then they risk getting turfed from what is (to them) the most lucrative job that they will ever hold. I have seen a deer-in-the-headlights look from time to time if I get up from a table before the girl has finished her ficha.
OTOH, she also relayed a story about how a taxi driver got out of hand, tried to drive her to a remote area and attacker. She emptied a can of pepper spray on him and fled. She has also been attacked on the street, robed and beaten. Once she was hospitalized and wasn't sure she would be able to walk again.
The point being that the girls are much more at risk alone outside the clubs than they are in the clubs.
And likely the same would apply if brothels were legal in the USA. I worked for the RE firm that brokered the sale of the Moonlight Bunny Ranch to Dennis Hof. (I was not licensed in NV, so I could not be involved in the transaction, but I did visit a few times.) The guest room in the Nevada brothels have panic buttons scattered around the rooms. In addition, the rooms are bugged and conversations monitored, primarily because financial negotiations are conducted in the room and the house takes 50%. If they were not monitored, the girls could under report their income.
With a setup like that, any clients that get out-of-hand would be dealt with swiftly.
So stupid that most developed countries in the world have some form of legal prostitution and seem to deal with it in a safe and sane manner. The demand will always be there. Why not tax and regulate it rather than wasting law enforcement resources?
Of course, if voting were limited to this audience, I could probably be elected President if I got prostitution legalized...on a write-in candidacy.
I agree with @mongo1964 though I did encounter one ROB experience (a BG who found a way to waste the 30 minutes without doing her job).
And I reported her to HK management and a few months later I saw her working at Adelita's rather than HK, which is definitely a step down (from a money making standpoint).
I will say occasionally you would see a BG call out a PL for groping her without paying a $1 or $2 and usually the PL will hand over a few Bucks and all is forgiven.
Though one time a PL did not want to pay denying he groped her (though I saw he groped her) and after a heated discussion with a mesero and security he was escorted out.
And in the US prostitutes are raped a lot because theyre so unlikely to report it.
But rape is about power and control more so than sex.
I don't think the men want consensual sex.