Have club shutdowns during the pandemic altered your future behavior?
Forget about what is happening right now - whether clubs are open in your area or not - what do you think you will do when this is all over?
Go to strip clubs more than you did pre-pandemic?
Go to strip clubs about as often as you did before?
Go to strip clubs less often than you did before?
Go to strip clubs more than you did pre-pandemic?
Go to strip clubs about as often as you did before?
Go to strip clubs less often than you did before?
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If I was still traveling, I’d absolutely go follow the “booms” in different locales directly after opening.
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We've had 162K deaths so far and the U Wash simulation (the one Dugan quoted from the WSJ in March) is now predicting 300K deaths by the end of the year. Not to mention those who experience lasting lung, heart, and neurological deficits later on. That's not serious enough for you?
The economy will suffer whether the lockdowns are enforced or not. We have to beat the disease to rescue the economy.
Based on what I'm reading, I think there's a reasonable chance of a vaccine. I'd like to return to one SB and occasional SC visits.
And while I can’t change the past I regret the decisions I made last year. I feel that I wasted about eight months of life coming back to the states for (optional) medical treatment. Too much of that time was spent looking up at a hospital ceiling daydreaming about the day I would get back in the saddle again. That day was supposed to be late March and then the stupidity struck and I don’t need to explain the rest.
As I wait and wait and wait for this nonsense to end I know what I will do if it ever does. At 61 I know I’ve aged out so whatever time I have left I will spend searching out the best places that manage to survive this crap and return to my life of drinking and whoring. Given the opportunity that is exactly how I will end my days on this earth, getting drunk and fucking until I can’t fuck anymore. But that’s just me.
To reach 300K deaths by the end of the year you are going to have to have a thousand deaths a day until then. We've had that number recently because of a surge in the Sunbelt but new cases, hospitalizations, and deaths are now declining. Florida went from 250 deaths on a day a week ago down to 80 yesterday. It's unlikely we are going to reach a New York level of deaths anywhere else in the country since we were lucky enough not to have a national policy with a President Cuomo ordering all the nursing homes in the country to take sick patients.
Even if we did reach 300K by the end of the year that doesn't necessarily mean we will have an additional 300K deaths this year. Forty percent of deaths are in nursing homes. The average stay in those homes is sixth months which means many of the deaths from the disease would have happened shortly after from other causes. The hard hit states of New York and New Jersey had a lower number of deaths in June of this year than June of last year. Most likely, people who would have died in June 2020 in those states died in April 2020 from the virus. So the overall additional deaths by the end of the year may not be 300K. You also have to be aware that hospitals get extra money from the federal government for each COVID 19 patient so they have an incentive to reclassify deaths with COVID as deaths by COVID. This inflates the total numbers.
As for the saying we have to beat the disease to save the economy, that reminds me of the formerly well known statement from the Vietnam War saying we have to destroy the village in order to save it. It is unfortunate that so few people have any knowledge of history now and don't know anything about that government fiasco or all the other government fiascoes up to the current government fiasco in handling this disease.
I don't see future behavior changing dramatically. Heck, many of our local clubs are already back open and I don't see much change in current behavior despite the current rate of spread. The crowds are trending a tad younger, but that's to be expected. Any elderly person or middle aged morbidly obese dude with multiple other co-morbidities with a lick of sense is protecting himself right now.
Human beings are not wired to live in some crisis mode forever. The longer something goes on, the less they are afraid of it.
It's amusing to see Dugan calling the study he posted "melodrama"
Lol!
As I said in another thread, I'm done with this silly debate. I've lost interest in this topic now. Life has moved on: my kids are going back to school and activities; my job is running pretty normal minus all the travel, which will also return eventually; the stores, restaurants and even strip clubs I like are open; etc., etc. Let the elderly and infirm protect themselves or die from their own stupidity and the rest of us will continue to go about our business.
Per @spice's comment about the surge in her area when LDs started again, I can see a similar thing once we get past this (an initial surge b/f things level out) - this is predicated on the economy looking like it's recovering; if the economy is sloping negative once we are out of this then probably the clubs are also gonna be sloping negative - but my "gut feeling" is that there will be an initial SC surge (pent up demand) and that the economy will rebound also due to pent up demand.
Going forward post-pandemic I would like for clubs to "get back to normal" so I have the option to hit one once in a while out of old-habit - taking some SC-trips actually interests me a bit more than regular-clubbing just so I can experience something different and at the same time take a little roadtrip and get away from the same-old for a while.
Honestly, I just want to travel and check everything else out wherever I can. That was my initial plan at the beginning of the year, and the pandemic shutdown has only agitated my urge to go out of town even further.
Strip clubs are too far off for me to decide on my future behavior. In my area - it’s going to take a very long time for clubs to reopen. I know some have gone outdoors, but I doubt they still offer the same filth as before.
Anyway, my plan is to return to my previous SA-first, SC-second pattern, but not sure that will pan out
More likely, there will be a new generation of inexperienced dancers, along with some grizzled ROBs, working under the scrutiny of the morality police and community virtue leaders.
The clubs have been closed long enough that people who swung by after work have broken the habit. Also, a lot of us work remote now, so dropping by on the way home is another factor that has flown out the window.
Some dancers will inevitably move to a different career because of the pandemic - the longer this lasts, the more dancers that will choose to do so.
The economy is always a factor - but states of the economy are transitory.
The biggest unknown in my mind is what various cities and counties are going to do. Topless bars have never been popular with city councils. How many ordinances will be enacted in the name of COVID-19 that really suit other agendas?
At my main club, HiLiter, the nearby car dealerships provided a lot of the customers. I expect that there will be fewer sales people on the lot.
I think the world is going to be a very different place post-vaccine. SCs are just a small piece of it.
As you know, that changed when the raids started happening.
The history of the HiLiter is what made me wonder what the post pandemic club environment will be like.
Might spend more than average 1st couple of times.
I’m hoping the clubs I frequent are in shitty enough areas that they won’t have that problem. New Jersey areas such as Paterson, Passaic, Irvington are not revitalizing - so they should be fine. However, the better areas might be different - like Bloomfield or other towns.
Agree w Subraman they clubs in our area are in decline, though I never got to experience SF’s heyday for comparison.
We might see more SC road trips coming out of CoVid. I’ll wager Tijuana gets back to normal pretty quickly, for example.
The only difference is I will have to plan and pay for the travel myself more often since the majority of my traveling was around the midwest for work. Since everyone at the company has been working from home they have eliminated all business travel until at least early 2021 and replaced the meetings and training that I had been traveling once or twice a month for with video conferencing.
I have considered hitting up some of the closer clubs to build relationships for OTC. While the clubs around here have terrible mileage ITC, OTC has been available just at much higher prices for the level of talent as other cities but from what I've heard the prices have dropped as the clubs were closed, then reopened, then closed again and now reopening but with no alcohol after 10 and closed at 11.
1. The middle/upper middle class that has been lucky enough to keep their jobs, own their homes. During the pandemic they aren't spending their money, they refinanced their homes again to even better rates, and they are saving the most they ever have because they don't have anywhere to spend it.
You don't think these soccermoms aren't going to buy out an entire Nordstroms when they can finally go in without a mask???? I have never seen so many new Mercedes driving in and out of my neighborhood too. The pandemic is actually helping some families bottom line.
Then there's the other half, the renters, the people that had jobs in the service industry, who are getting crushed. Some will never recover.
Certainly the case of the haves and have nots. I think the biggest question is whenever this is "over" how many businesses will be left to support those workers sitting on the sidelines right now, and how much money will the "haves" of my post be willing to let go and spend freely.
I'm in the boat of having saved more than I have in a long time, if ever, and have been able to do a lot of catching up w.r.t. my retirement savings/investing - as a result I feel a lot better about spending-$$$/treating-myself once the pandemic is over (within reason).
w.r.t. the working class - I'm no economist thus IDK exactly what will happen but my feeling is the economy is jumping-at-the-bit to come back and it will create the necessary jobs for the working class as it had been doing pre-Covid - it's also been the case that post the great-recession the government has been willing to come in and grease-the-skids to get the economy going - and Trump's policies seem geared towards keeping the economy rolling.
Then in the summer hit all the good out of state clubs that are back, and make several well known for a good time dancers day.