Will strip clubs reopen but have a shortage of strippers?

you assume they will be responsible with this money and not piss it away the day they get it.

"you assume they will be responsible with this money and not piss it away the day they get it."

They may piss away the $600 the moment they get it but they'll get another $600 the next week as long as they stay unemployed. There is an incentive here not to go back to work.

I’ll be back at the club when it opens, but I won’t be rushing to quit the day job when it happens.

Even clubs that 1099 dancers, I don’t think will show exact dates certain money was made. I’m sure plenty can and will double dip.

@k, do you think that us PL’s stuffing G-strings with $$ is not pissing it away. We PL’s and strippers both need each other.

NO

The only reason that the requirement to search for jobs is "generally" being waived is because the governments would rather have people to stay at home right now instead of "job hunting". Not to mention that very few places outside of Walmart, Amazon, grocers, fast food restaurants, deliverers of all types and those type of businesses are hiring anyway. Oh and cam sites which generally have to report their earnings to the governments where they earned money, how much they paid their "independent contractors".

As soon as the economy is "reopened", whatever that entails, and the government believes it's safe enough to resume searching for work or at the very least for certain businesses to reopen, you can bet the requirement to verify their job search will be back in place. Also, if the governments are smart (big if), they'll treat dancers as "furloughed workers" instead of "independent contractors". That is, when a company or business furlough ends, they take back their workers and the workers go back to work, unless the governments believe it's not safe enough to do so, in which case they'll remain closed. But if these places do reopen, then the government will assume that the "furlough" has ended and will be less likely to continue unemployment payments.

Now if this shutdown drags on past May and June, it won't make much of a difference, and by the end of July, once the bigger payments ends, the girls won't be able to keep paying their bills and will have to work anyway somewhere, unless another massive bailout takes place...

@nicespice
If the application for UI is the same for independent contractors as it is for employees or very similar, then the applicant has to state where they earned money the last calendar year. So even if the "1099" exists, and if it even is a requirement to get the UI benefits, and it doesn't state the time periods of when they earned money, the dancers themselves have to provide the exact times and places that they were "employed". They have to provide the "employer's" name and information as well and how much they "earned". Although right now, they're limited to only half of the average UI payment that the state gives, so it doesn't benefit them to report any more income than they have to.

So the UI office will have the last employer's information and typically before UI benefits are approved, they call that employer and ask them if a worker did work there and why they are no longer working there. So if they say that they did work there for whatever time periods the dancer claimed and they don't work there anymore because they were shut down because of the coronavirus, the dancer will likely be approved. This is the initial verification process. But when this business reopens, the UI people will generally find out about it as well. I don't think this system will be quite as easy to game.

"Also, if the governments are smart (big if), they'll treat dancers as furloughed workers instead of independent contractors. "

I hope you are right about this and your other comments are also right. The long term negative economic impact of this is going to be bad and may be made worse by poorly thought out plans to help people. If the government wisely does what you say they will, we will be ok here. I agree with those that say some short term government assistance is needed here.

I'm not sure how the $600 works, but with normal unemployment if you make say $40 for a one time gig you are supposed to report that and subtract it from your unemployment but can still collect the rest.

Strippers are in a cash business where they underreport earnings. Some are W2 employees, but the contractors may be able to scam the system and come back to work. I can tell you the one stripper whose life I was intimately involved with didn't report her earnings remotely close to accurate.

I think I said before but at least in NJ there is a huge summer lull. A lot of girls disappear for 2 months to go on lavish vacations. A lot of customers disappear at this time too. Family vacations, nice weather, and no major sports makes clubbing less enticing. I don't think a lot of guys will be in a rush to jump on a plane and live in a hotel with their families this summer. I think this summer will be very lucrative for dancers.

I don't know. The most recent information i saw with how they're treating these "gig" workers is that their state UI benefit will be half that state's average payment regardless of what they earned or report, which is more than fair considering they never paid into that system, and the difference between half the average and the full average is usually at most a couple hundred dollars, although in some states, dependents can make a bigger difference. Even if they get the full amount, the biggie is the $600. Also, a minimum income is usually required to qualify for UI benefits as well as a minimum amount of hours worked during a time period. Although with the coronavirus, these requirements might be relaxed somewhat, but not completely. A one time $40 gig in three months won't be enough to get the UI benefits plus the $600.

Some strippers are in a pure cash business and completely off the "books" at both the stripper and club level. I don't think these girls can get the benefits without both the stripper and the club being on the books. That is the stripper will have to admit that they evaded some taxes, and the club also failed to file a 1099. So many clubs (and strippers) might get audited, although i'm surprised many haven't been already. So i can see a lot of strippers not getting these benefits and relying on other things like onlyfans (what a joke) or OTC or SA/SB or even switching to cams although that is usually not off the books.

It will be really interesting to see what happens here. In CA, where the strippers are all employees anyway, their thinking may be different from where they are independent

What I do DEFINITELY expect is that all these girls will overwhelming SA. In fact, they are already doing so, but I think they're learning quickly that no one is meeting during this time, and very few of the men are interested in paying for pics or videos, so there's no real money to be made. Once the lockdown is lifted, though, I wonder if a stripper might think, "I'll collect my unemployment benefits, plus handpick one or three SDs for side money, and skate through the next year". Of course, that brings about its own issues -- it's likely SB allowances are going to fall a whole lot, and a zillion strippers joining will drive it even lower

If strippers are contractors (most places) tehy can show up to a club, make $$$ during a week and nothing will flag the UI machine to not send the the check. But remember that workers in "prurient" businesses are not eligible. They will have to fabricate some eligible Gig job. Do Gig workers have to somehow show proof they had a Gig job through tax returns.

If they are getting a W-2 and filing taxes from some job they should be OK.

@subraman what will be interesting is when these clubs reopen if the girls don’t return to work the clubs will go through that formal rehire which notifies the department of labor that a person was offered a job at which time UE benefits will be required to terminate by law.

Oh that's interesting! That's an added twist

^ could see a few of the smaller less scrupulous, strip club managers and owners charging these girls a premium on the house fees to not notify the Dept of Labor.

Probably, but I’m hesitant to return for a while after they reopen. I will not be a grasshopper.

They can make more than $600 a week. Its not an incentive to not work. You can't live off of that

Girls I know can't wait to get back to work

There will be a shit ton of girls and customers when things open back up. Mark my words. SHIT TON.

I agree with LinzeeDet. I just spoke to one of my dancer friends who agrees there will be a shit ton of girls once the clubs reopen. She also said probably girls who never danced before will be there as there old jobs are gone.

Linzee, the "shit ton of girls" is believable. It's the "shit ton of customers" that's a little harder... so many customers have been hit hard financially by this, and many others have lost their job. Plus customers tend to be older and I expect slower to come out. If the girls show up in droves, I'm not entirely sure the customers will

"They can make more than $600 a week. Its not an incentive to not work. You can't live off of that."

The $600 is just the additional amount the federal government is adding on top of state benefits, not the total amount. Average state benefits are around $280. As I mentioned in my original post above, the top earners are not going to be tempted by this. There are plenty of girls who only make between a hundred and two hundred a shift in many parts of the country. Getting close to $900 a week will tempt them to stay off, especially since there will still be a possibility of catching coronavirus for some time to come and a job where you come into close physical contact with a lot of strangers will be the type of job where you would get it. I would agree with theDirkDiggler above, though, that if and when the waiver ends and everyone is required to look for a job the former strippers will be back in the club. So will a lot of new girls who lost their old jobs. There will also be plenty of customers who lost their old jobs and they won't be there in the future.

===> "@subraman what will be interesting is when these clubs reopen if the girls don’t return to work the clubs will go through that formal rehire which notifies the department of labor that a person was offered a job at which time UE benefits will be required to terminate by law."

In CA I agree since dancers are treated as statutory employees. But in most parts of the country they are ICs who merely rent space, hence no tax or employment reporting of any kind.

To the question, sure i think that the unemployment money will impact the availability of dancers until it runs out. As everyone here knows, even ICs can collect it and they certainly have a case given that the government shut down their job sites. But it's not exactly a fortune, so I could see some dancers trying to supplement.

Hard to say. Different cities have different types of industries and economies. I do see more strippers on account of a lot of clubs going under. They gotta work somewhere. If you favorite club is still standing I see it having more yeah

Strippers would have had to file taxes to be eligible. Of course they'll under report their incomes. In some LA clubs where theyre employees they make as little as $57 a day. They wont have much more than the $600.

The real question is will there be rent and utility debt forgiveness and how fast will people have a disposable income again.

If they develop an accurate antibody test, that will go along way in if the dancers come back and especially customers. That is most of the customers will be ones that were already exposed to the coronavirus and recovered and hopefully immune so they can't get it again or give it to a vulnerable person. If a dancer has that status, the same for her. I just have no idea how many people will have that status. If it's only 10% of the country (which is still hundreds of thousands of deaths for the final total) then that's a huge reduction of the available pool of customers and possibly dancers. Also, if vast improvements in therapeutic treatment and care are found and developed, that may also have a positive effect...

I thinks most clubs will wave the rehire policy’s and forgive all past issues for former dancers also there will be new girls hitting the clubs to try and recover lost income from the shit downs and other places closing.
It will be the idea of fast easy money.

The clubs will be slow bringing business back in due to economic reason. Regular’s will be in with there girls and lots of open space between

I think dancers will have more choices. A lot of clubs screwed them over when they shut down. Some refuse to give them notices to prove theyre unemployed so they can get UI quicker. In Cali a lot got cheated on their pay. They won't forget those clubs.

@RickDugan in Florida the $875 is a lot of money, it’s not just the girls there are club employees that do need to make salaries not just ICs that will affect the operations of clubs, also the more steady customers are older and will not be so quick to return to the clubs, yes a small group of these are addicted in a sense, but the majority of folks with the kind of disposable income to make a difference in the club scene will take a while before they head back.

I agree that a lot of girls will show up when the clubs re-open. But I don't know about customers, especially older customers like me. I will want to know for certain that I won't catch a potentially fatal disease, and until that time I'm not going to the clubs.

I would be more open to OTC. One dancer coming to my home is less risky for me than going to a club with dozens of dancers and customers and staff, any one of whom could be carrying the virus.

I am hoping there’s a shit ton of strippers. I am fortunate in that I am not in high risk group and also have job classified as essential. I will be back as soon as work schedule allows.

I have continued putting in money in my sc slush fund. Hopefully I will be spending on familiar dancers, if not I will make some new friends. After so many weeks of shelter in place I am craving some high heels and thongs

Jack: I think you're right across the board, and said so myself earlier: I think the older customers who are the bread-and-butter for many strippers, are absolutely the slowest to come back. I'm not over 60 or 65 or wherever they've made the cutoff, and even I am thinking I'll be taking my time going back. After all, I have an SB (if I had an OTC girl, same thing) who I can see 1:1 while maintaining social distancing with everyone else. No reason for me to be rushing back to a strip club, unless/until one of those drugs under testing proves itself as a treatment. SA is awash in new girls (pretty sure many of them are strippers) so I can window shop strippers and pick and choose who I want to meet, even when I start jonesing for strippers again (which I definitely well... current SB is not a stripper/partygirl type, and I need one of those in my life lol)

Subraman, forgive my naïveté. What are SA and SB?

"All the furnishings should be replaced, the carpet (if any) pulled up, the curtains cleaned, etc. How many clubs are willing do do that?"

How frequently should that be done? A club I visit(ed) regularly replaced all of its carpet earlier this year and it took over a week to do. Viruses survive for a certain amount of time on surfaces. There are charts published online somewhere. Here is a summary in a recent Hopkins article.

https://hub.jhu.edu/2020/03/20/sars-cov-…

This information isn't perfect because science isn't perfect, and usually less accurate when done quickly on novel cases. But it's better than nothing.

"Subraman, forgive my naïveté. What are SA and SB?"

No worries. SA = Seeking Arrangement, a website to find sugarbabies... although it's full of strippers and escorts also. SB = sugarbaby.

The point for me being, at least until there's a medicine to address covid19, I'm more likely to stick with 1:1 interactions (with an SB, or OTC with a stripper with whom I have a pre-existing relationship) than go to the club

Linzee I think it honestly depends how the restrictions are lifted. If it's sort of a phase where some businesses are allowed to open but bars and clubs lag, then yes they will be packed the day they open. But if say all restrictions are lifted May 1 with a certain degree of voluntary social distancing expected, it may be more of a slow ramp up in the clubs.

Clubs really don't need to replace anything. Any club that has been closed for a week or more should be safe now. Dried jizz is more of a risk

I just looked it up, and around the club I’ll be going back to immediately after, construction is still going strong. So if there’s nothing else, I’m optimistic for the blue collar Mexican group at least. Less so for the oil guys. And the customer group tend to skew (for the most part) younger and in the 20s-40s. So likely a less cautious group. And even if they are cautious, quite a few customers at that club are already more into throwing singles for air dancing while clothed on the floor rather than going to the back anyways.

Fun club, that’s not really known for a being a serious money maker place. But I think will be okay enough when I return. Won’t be in a rush to quit the day job tho. Or travel in general for a while. 😢

I thihnk the wildcard here is treatment. Several of the mab class drugs hold promise, and hydroxychloroquine is still getting an anecdotal boost (still waiting on test results). I'd predict that as soon as there's an effective treatment, everyone without several comorbidities starts going out more and more. Although most people over 55 have at least one

Now as for some of these clubs that rely on constantly fresh foot traffic, especially with four figure champagne rooms, I wonder how those are going to change.

If # of girls end up being lowered, I feel like it will be more of a thing of the portion who went online are comfortable staying online more so than any unemployment thing. I could be wrong tho. And I’m not holding my breath and I’m sure there will be more than plenty of dancers.

I'm at the point in life where I have more money than time. It is very likely that I have already been exposed in my recent travels. When I get a positive antibody test confirming prior exposure, I plan on making up for lost time. Prince 1999 comes to mind.

Interesting news coming out of Wuhan: even as the city opens back up, there's a new warning for old people to continue social distancing, due to a concern about drastically increased cases of asymptomatic cases. In other words, old guys stay home -- lots of healthy young people can infect you, even after the "all clear", because there are far more asymptomatic cases than we thought.

I think the number of girls will go up not down. I have been seeing tons of posts from girls about how much they miss the club and can't wait to go back to dancing. A lot of girls just dance when they need money and they all need money now at the same time.

That makes no sense out of China. How could asymptomatic cases dramatically "increase"? So more than 90% of cases are asymptomatic now compared to 50%? That's been the data in Vo, Italy and the Diamond Princess where they tested everybody, or almost everybody with regards to the Diamond Princess (97%+ tested) and they found about half were asymptomatic, which is very striking on the cruise ship as most of the passengers (not crew) were older. So a lot of older people with this are asymptomatic as well. Also they're trying to test everyone in Iceland (already around 8% of the country has been tested) and from random testing they're getting around 50% asymptomatic. So with China, either cases there are just increasing dramatically in general and they're just lying about it; none of this no new cases that aren't imported BS...

@theDirk Asymptomatic cases increased because they have now tested many more folks, many of those getting tested now are through contact tracing, rather than because they appear to be or feel ill.
Not necessarily new cases, more likely just cases missed in the initial go round.

My guess is what 25 described -- the more we test, the more we learn. But still waiting for more confirmation.

There will most likely be even fewer customers than before with far more girls. Clubs were already oversaturated with dancers and all of the women who lost their jobs are going to need income. What's the easiest way to make money quickly? Dancing. I predict there will be a significant influx of new dancers, fewer customers than before, and even lower prices than before at extras clubs due to the increased competition amongst all of the new and veteran entertainers working.

^ I agree. I probably won't have to worry too much. My best two customers are both doing alright. RickDugan is still working and desertscrub seems to be doing well at shorting stocks. I am such a Lucky guy because they both can really suck a mean dick! They both love practicing on me also 😘

I don't know why anyone thinks there will be more dancers, especially the longer clubs are closed. Some who were dancing right up to the day they closed will no doubt end up dying from covid19. Some will probably decide on a new essential form of employment. Some will decide there won't be enough customers and decide not to dance. Plus who knows what kind of new restrictions they may put in place.

It will be interesting to see what happens in the Michigan clubs once they open back up. Hopefully they cleaned some of those VIP's.....Hope things bounce back to usual, time will tell!

Everyone is saying a lot of the strippers have gone to SA but they need to advertise better, been browsing and it’s hard to tell if someone was/is a dancer or not. I’d be much more inclined to initiate convo if I knew

Playa I bet you're the opposite of a lot of potential sugar daddies. Most dudes want to pretend she's a low mileage girl who is just open to dating an older guy who can help her out a little with her finances.

I'm looking in the crystal ball at future strip club reviews....
Oh, there's one where the OP said he had SIX girls dancing in July- Rosie Palm and her five sisters!!!!

I'm surprised it took until easter day to get a text from a house madam...I declined to respond to her...
i know whats up....OTC if I want it.

Limited, phased reopening of bars/nightclubs with 6ft separation and masks being discussed by govt and scientists. How is THAT going to work in a club?