What is loyalty worth to you
Muddy
USA
Recently saw an SB. My type hot Latina GND type. Young though 18. She said she had only slept with two other guys, and I believed her based on how tight she was. You could tell she didn't have a lot of experience with it either, you kinda of had to set her up for doggystyle if you know what I mean. (most girls already know what time it is when you flip them over) And then finally you could easily tell she's never been fucked like that before. Didn't try to rush me at all, overall very nice girl and very innocent, really wanted me to have a great time. It was all great stuff, loved it. But at the end, she just said she wants to be with me. I even argued against it, she's trying to pay for college, and I truly want her to do well, I told her why not hustle some of these old loaded guys. Nope she just wants to be with me. I hope she doesn't expect that on my end with me spending money but I thought it was a nice gesture. I'm not a big repeat guy, but I might have to dive back in just based on how shocking this was coming from the SC world. I've hung out with SB's before but mostly just hook ups because I'm on the move a lot.
I hope that wasn't too long. But any stories of loyalty/exclusiveness in your mongering world?
I hope that wasn't too long. But any stories of loyalty/exclusiveness in your mongering world?
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but this reminds me of the movie Pretty Woman
I clicked on this thinking it was about $$$. Now I don't know what it's about. This sounds like some Drake n' Kiki stuff in disguise.
Many sugar babies are different than strippers doing OTC. A stripper is trying to earn a living. She might do OTC as a change of pace against doing extras in the club or maybe her club doesn't allow for extras. Her goal is to make money. A SB in on the site to make a little money but that probably isn't her only reason. SBs want to have an emotional connection. Sure they want to get a little for what they are doing. But just about all of the ones I have been with have legitimate jobs. They are just subsidizing their lifestyle with the sugaring.
Any a lot of SB's are looking for a single Sugar Daddy. I'm in about a 5 month relationship with one girl. We haven't talked about it, but I'm pretty certain she is not seeing anyone else but me. Sorry, I'm not telling her I'm seeing others. Am I a bad person ? Probably.
With other faves at other clubs I'm mostly loyal but I won't hesitate to get with a different stripper if I so desire. And by the same token they don't put the same priority on me as my ATF DS.
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In other words, you're not looking for an arrangement, you probably can't afford it, and you basically took advantage of an 18-yr-old who doesn't understand the ropes yet. Most of the TUSCL posts on sugaring are very similar.
Nothing. Why?
Because it has an expiration date.
Because she could be set it aside at a moment's notice for a bigger fish.
Because she probably isn't being honest in the first place.
Because you are a dirty secret - and probably not the only one - who will never be allowed beyond a certain point in her life.
Because you are only welcome while you can pay her.
Because...
I say this all the time re: low volume OTC strippers and the same applies to SB girls: These girls are not substitutes for real relationships and trying to use them as such could go bad in a hurry.
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Apparently you didn't read the thread, Dugan, since Muddy states explicitly that he's *not* looking to see her on a repeat basis. She's looking for support for college and Muddy's looking for a quick not-repeat session with a naive 18-yr-old.
You keep saying the same old crap about blurring the boundary between prostitution and "real" relationships. As if you're the only one capable of understanding the difference.
I do strongly value consistency, reliability, etc
(1) "she's trying to pay for college"
(2) " I hope she doesn't expect that on my end with me spending money"
(3) " I'm not a big repeat guy"
Lol, gosh I sure hope she doesn't expect you to spend money. I'd love to hear her side of the story and I bet not one bit of this was discussed before sex.
You should post this over on the Reddit forum, @Muddy, so we can get a laugh after the girls ream you a new asshole.
As I said, this type of behavior --where some poor creep is using SA like Tinder or Backpage-- is fodder for a good laugh over on the Reddit forum.
At the end of the day, most PLs that deal w/ SBs or strippers, do not plan on having a genuine relationship w/ them assuming that was possible - thus I personally don't see that much value in "does she or doesn't she (have genuine feelings, etc)", IMO no value beyond some ego-stroking - for me personally, I am not looking for a genuine relationship w/ a P4P girl thus I don't expect genuine feelings nor do I spend any time entertaining/deciphering her genuine-ness - reality is I just expect to get what I pay for and don't expect/want anything else nor do I think I'm entitled to anything else.
Because Reddit pervs are so much more sophisticated than TUSCL pervs.
My honest opinion? It's far less blue-collar, less sexist, better writing quality, less delusional.
Anyways,, what kind of classism is that with using “blue collar” as a slur? I understand many Indians such as yourself are software engineers and doctors, but that doesn’t mean that blue collar workers aren’t a necessary part of society. And don’t deserve derision.
(1) Someone created a troll account under the username @ApoopDeep, S. Asian who smells like shit and works at a convenience store.
(2) Spice also "accused" @Supra of being Indian and she doesn't like Indians. At least in @Subra's case, the name Subramanian is a common Indian name and there are many successful Indians in the Bay Area.
(3) I posted that S. Asians are the most successful ethnic group by income and educational attainment in the US. I've worked alongside many successful Indians in Silicon Valley.
(4) She doesn't seem to understand that a white guy might think that racial stereotypes are downright stupid.
(5) Dealing with @Spice here is a consequence of standing up with an unpopular opinion.
And the question to subra that one time (how do you remember that one time I asked subra a question but not the other times on the subject?) all had to do with mentioning of his friends enjoying the same CF. Generally, ime that kind of attitude is more prevalent with Indians and Mexicans. I wouldn’t consider that bad or good, just simply what it is.
You can be as much of a defender of racial stereotypes as you want but that doesn’t get you out of the blue collar smash you just pulled and possibly trying to distract from. I hope crazyjoe destroys your shitter so you can continue your classism while you have to call a Plummer.
Final note, I call you an Indian because I know it pisses you off. 😈 I haven’t figured out why, but I’m gonna keep rolling with it.
SJG
Loyalty in the club is a bit silly imo. Unless you actually have a real connection (that is also highly subjective) you and the dancer have no obligation to each other. You want dances from somebody else? get them. She sees another regular that she can make a quick 1-300+; great!
I once told a dancer that I was going to be in town and at the club on xyz days. I told her do NOT come to work just to see me - but it would be great to see her for a bit. She came to work only to see me and was pissed off that I was talking to other girls and getting dances from them as well. That wasn't me being disloyal, it was her being incapable of setting realistic expectations.
^ this is right. I am a native Coloradan and blue collar and very proud of both. You should not talk shit about blue collar workers because like myself, some of them know a lot of people. Some blue collar workers have put the word out on shitty customers who despise blue collar workers and made it difficult for guys like you to get anything like fixing your plumbing done.. oh yea, you may find out the hard way how the good ol boy system works. lmao! I hope your attitude doesn't come across in real life when dealing with blue collar workers
Also you mentioned coming to Colorado from California. I speak for all the proud natives of Colorado when I say DEPORT ALL THE CALIFORNIANS back to their homeland. Indians and even Texans are okay though.
You are welcome for me sharing the wisdom of my people.
Besides you're not even verified or a VIP. At least she contributes and I'm not remotely biased by her rick topless pics...really. :)
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I do get that a lot and, for example, the Uber driver the other day was complaining about the influx of Californians. I kept my mouth shut. There's a lot of resentment about the fact that we've turned the state purple and it will soon be blue.
She said understood. Then afterwards I stayed and got some great dances with the other one.
I'm loyal as long as mileage and flirting don't change for the worse over time.
https://medium.com/@marcus.ruiz.evans/do…
https://tuscl.net/photo.php?id=4181
If you look at a map of how CA votes, it looks like it's a red state. Unfortunately the bit of blue along the coasts have a much greater population density. Even in that blue, there are a lot of citizens who aren't. The state has so many people in it that back in the 2016 election, CA posted the 3rd highest amount of votes for President DJT, trailing only TX and FL. That's a lot of pissed off citizens and there are a lot of them moving out.
I'd say that from the experience of my family, friends and myself that escaped, as long as you assimilate into your new state and don't try to tell your new neighbors that it should be done like back in CA that you're generally welcomed into the community.
@Subra honestly from where I sit I fail to see how loyalty and exclusive are mutually exclusive no pun intended. True they are not same but I don’t see loyalty as all or nothing concept rather something that comes in varying degrees and I just feel it takes some degree of loyalty to maintain exclusiveness in the SC world IMO. Lot of options. Maybe I’m wrong?
Loyalty in this instance seemed to be offered to me. I don’t quite know what I’m going to do with it yet. I have been somewhat exclusive with past favs (the two in my pics) when they are in the club. Not outside that shit though. At this point I don’t even know if I have the time to juggle multiple girls anyway at the moment. But I want to. Always want to. I’m a guy, single, what else is there to want. Just wanted run this by TUSCL to see how some of y’all roll.
The key issue is whether your motives were discussed in advance. Before you had sex, did you explain that you're "not a repeat guy?" Did you explain that this would be pump-and-dump sex? Did you explain that you don't have enough money to help her with college? It sounds like she wants to see you again BECAUSE SHE NEEDS THE MONEY.
Lol, with your permission I'll create a throw-away account on Reddit and post your thread, verbatim. We can sample the reaction from the non-TUSCL crowd.
You could definitely post what whatever you want on reddit. I’m not hiding anything. I didn’t make this thread about a new SB I met though. I would’ve dug into more detail. It was more just anecdotal thing as an excuse to bring up the exclusiveness topic to TUSCL that’s all.
Maybe you're the exception but most 29-yr-olds don't have enough money to support an SB going to college. For that reason, most of the girls filter out guys under 40. Just my opinion, but I think you should be open and honest with her about what you can afford. You might be better off with stripper OTC or escorts where it's understood that it's just a one-nigher; it's just the opposite in the sugaring world where something ongoing is implied. That's why it's called an "arrangement."
I'm going to drop out of the thread now.
Loyalty
Is the quality of staying firm in your friendship or support for someone or something.
“Customer” loyalty exists when a person regularly patronizes a particular “retailer” that he or she knows, likes, and trusts.
exclusivity
Is the quality of being available only to a small number of people who are rich enough or considered good enough
exclusivity is the state of being the only “Customer “that is allowed to have or do something from the “retailer”
We can change Customer for Sugar Daddy or PL and retailer with Sugar Baby or Stripper.
I am a creature of habit, and as a customer I regularly patronize the retailers that provide the products with the quality I like with good service in a mutually beneficial fair trade.
My ATF Stripper and I developed a Sugar Baby type of relationship we had OTC almost every week for more than two years.
I would pick her up on Sunday afternoon, get an hotel room and make love, massage each other, have room service sometimes we would go to dinner to nice a nice place. She would refer to me as her fiancé to other people, her sister told me.
I have thousands of pictures of her modeling cute sexy outfits I got for her. Around Halloween she was slave princesses Lea from Star Wars, Dallas Cowboy Cheerleader, Playboy Bunny. Around Christmas a sexy miss Santa, naughty school girl.
She was a baby stripper 22 when we meet, very sweet and nice, the sex got better and better because she was more comfortable and felt safe relaxed and was able to let herself go and enjoy it, I enjoyed it too, she experienced multiple orgasms and was very shy and sweet about it.
Sometimes she would spend the night and would fall a sleep with her head on mi chest like the little angel she was.
She was worth every penny and every second I spent on her.
Thank you for making me remember that relationship.
Situations like this are exactly why I post the age old warning about p4p girls not being suitable substitutes for real relationships. Randumb is free to throw another sissy fit, but it's as valid now as it ever was.
Lines can blur very easily in a young guy's head when he spends a lot of time with a single p4p girl. I've seen it happen too many times to count. Also, try as one might, it's very hard to control feelings after prolonged interactions with the same girl as attraction, fun and comfort all play a role.
If I were you, I wouldn't be spending much time or money with any p4p girl. If you want to play the field, go to an online social/dating site and find civvie girls to hang out with. When I was your age, I was recently divorced and having the freakin' time of my life. The only time I hit a p4p girl was when I had a sudden itch to scratch. Taking paid pussy out on dates is for us old dudes who have had their wives and kids (or never will) and whose advanced ages dramatically decrease the likelihood of emotional confusion.
I don’t think you realize you did her wrong.
The Old School(1920’s-1950’s) traditional Sugar Daddy/ Sugar Baby relationship had some degree of exclusivity because only really wealthy men could afford to have a mistress.
Today is supposed to be similar,
“Successful men who enjoy attractive company. Money isn’t an issue, thus they are generous when it comes to supporting a Sugar Baby.”
“Relationships form and grow..”
Quotes from the seeking arrangements.
She is sincere in wanting a relationship, a Daddy figure that will support her financially, and emotionally in exchanges for her youthful beauty, and sex.
You in the other hand are looking for P4P and variety. But you didn’t disclosed that. She did everything she did with you expecting you would be her sugar daddy.
I don’t think you intentionally wanted to deceive her, because there are a lot of sugar babies in the Internet that just want P4P or “platonic” (no sex) relationships, and scammers, hookers, escorts that use the internet to scam.
I doubt she would have had sex with you if she had known your real intentions. If I understand your post correctly you have seen her at least two times, a relationship started in her eyes.
Many sugar babies are turned into escorts by deceiving Daddies that do what you did.
I forgot, pics and videos or didn't happen.
https://youtu.be/vIibPq6fDjM
Is you serious?
Yes I am serious.
I think she had that kind of expectation, because she is young and naive and probably believed in all the sugaring tales of a wealthy man supporting a “Pretty Woman”
Find one girl that meets those qualities, just do her, stay on budget.
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If you look at a map of how CA votes, it looks like it's a red state. Unfortunately the bit of blue along the coasts have a much greater population density. Even in that blue, there are a lot of citizens who aren't. The state has so many people in it that back in the 2016 election, CA posted the 3rd highest amount of votes for President DJT, trailing only TX and FL. That's a lot of pissed off citizens and there are a lot of them moving out.
I'd say that from the experience of my family, friends and myself that escaped, as long as you assimilate into your new state and don't try to tell your new neighbors that it should be done like back in CA that you're generally welcomed into the community."
^You are a cool guy BAngus, and nice pic!
Agree. It's pretty dicky to brag about the fact that CA is so fucked up that people are leaving it in droves, going into states where there is an actual high quality of life, and then basically turning those states into adopting the policies that fucked up CA so atrociously. Bragging about it is as craven and despicable as you can get. Really. I plan to retire in a free state with lower cost of living and better quality of life, and hope that state hasn't been fucked into a mini-CA by then, by people bragging about improving that state by making it more like CA. Fucked up.
I know you mean well, but your attempt to troll me lacks the sarcastic bite of a true virtuoso (like @Dougster) and you're too intelligent for the kind of belligerent stupidity of someone like @Meathead.
I left CA for a job offer and I wasn't fleeing because CA has problems. California is the engine for our entire economy and has the best schools in the world.
I suppose it's true that slightly-left-of-center voters like myself are inherently evil. After all, we've given healthcare to 20M poor Americans and another 50M Americans can now buy health insurance with pre-existing conditions (instead of going bankrupt). I could go on, but you get the idea.
(As if the higher class of sugar daddies who actually give monthly allowances of 5k and up use Seeking, no offense anyone on this site. Yes, my opinion comes from what strippers say)
But I guess with the thread, loyalty is ditching a state for a better job opportunity (aka welfare benefits). One would think the better opportunity *would be* the location that has “the engine for our entire economy and [...] the best schools in the world”...but I digress
The computer does not make sex happens. It is a screener.
SJG
^ +1,000
If a girl is marketing herself on SA, it is because she is willing to have sex for money. She might make a guy jump through a few more hoops than a girl marketing on Eros, but ultimately the end result is the same.
A stripper, on the other hand, has adult entertainment revenue that doesn't necessarily come from p4p. Indeed, some dancers never do p4p and others only do so very selectively. Meanwhile the SA girl knows that she isn't going to earn much if she doesn't give up that ass.
Now that is no shot at guys who seek out girls on SA. To each his own. Just don't fool yourselves as to what it is. Shit, about once a year I peruse my local SA roster and I can't tell you how many strippers and local escorts I've seen on there - they just use a fluffier profile on SA.