What is loyalty worth to you

no.....no stories

but this reminds me of the movie Pretty Woman

Two Pretty Woman mentions on the TUSCL in the same day? What is this the Pink Site?

I clicked on this thinking it was about $$$. Now I don't know what it's about. This sounds like some Drake n' Kiki stuff in disguise.

My ATF (TUSCL gridget) had a policy that If I was in the club she would not dance for any one else unless they asked for my permission. Only 2 ever did...both friends of mine. I reciprocated by not getting dances from any other dancer as long as she was there.

A tight vagina has absolujtely nothing to do with how many guys a woman has fucked. Its biology.. Some women are tight, some are not.

Muddy,

Many sugar babies are different than strippers doing OTC. A stripper is trying to earn a living. She might do OTC as a change of pace against doing extras in the club or maybe her club doesn't allow for extras. Her goal is to make money. A SB in on the site to make a little money but that probably isn't her only reason. SBs want to have an emotional connection. Sure they want to get a little for what they are doing. But just about all of the ones I have been with have legitimate jobs. They are just subsidizing their lifestyle with the sugaring. Any a lot of SB's are looking for a single Sugar Daddy. I'm in about a 5 month relationship with one girl. We haven't talked about it, but I'm pretty certain she is not seeing anyone else but me. Sorry, I'm not telling her I'm seeing others. Am I a bad person ? Probably.

These girls will be very loyal--until they meet a man with a bigger wallet.

No obligation to vbolunteer information Warrior. If it was important to her she'd ask; just like you'd ask her if it were important to you.

My ATF DS is the only stripper with whom I've had the most loyalty. If she's in the club I'm not going to get dances with anyone else. On her part she puts me as #1 priority in that she's sitting with me before anyone else. And if she's already with someone else then she will get done ASAP with him and come over to me first. Also before dances she'll sit with me and tease my dick for 30 min to an hour for at most one drink cost to me. And finally for dances she doesn't expect more than $30 ea for two and gives me all the mileage that I want. It's been a good arrangement for several years now.

With other faves at other clubs I'm mostly loyal but I won't hesitate to get with a different stripper if I so desire. And by the same token they don't put the same priority on me as my ATF DS.

That's actually been pretty common with SB's for many different reasons. In my experience allot of girls just are doing it for the fun and experience of being able to go places or do things they normally don't get the opportunity to do. Many are shy and not quite so aggressive as dancers so they are less inclined to see multiple guys.

@Muddy: "I'm not a big repeat guy, "

In other words, you're not looking for an arrangement, you probably can't afford it, and you basically took advantage of an 18-yr-old who doesn't understand the ropes yet. Most of the TUSCL posts on sugaring are very similar.

This must be the fifteenth thread where some guy on TUSCL goes on SA, fucks a young girl, and comes on line bewildered about why she wants something long-term.

===> "What Is Loyalty Worth To You?"

Nothing. Why?

Because it has an expiration date.
Because she could be set it aside at a moment's notice for a bigger fish.
Because she probably isn't being honest in the first place. Because you are a dirty secret - and probably not the only one - who will never be allowed beyond a certain point in her life. Because you are only welcome while you can pay her. Because...

I say this all the time re: low volume OTC strippers and the same applies to SB girls: These girls are not substitutes for real relationships and trying to use them as such could go bad in a hurry.

" These girls are not substitutes for real relationships and trying to use them as such could go bad in a hurry."

Apparently you didn't read the thread, Dugan, since Muddy states explicitly that he's not looking to see her on a repeat basis. She's looking for support for college and Muddy's looking for a quick not-repeat session with a naive 18-yr-old.

You keep saying the same old crap about blurring the boundary between prostitution and "real" relationships. As if you're the only one capable of understanding the difference.

By "loyalty" you mean "exclusivity", Muddy? I think they're entirely separate concepts. I am probably one of the folks on tuscl who tends to get relatively closer to his CFs and ATFs than most here, and I have never cared, valued, or asked for exclusivity with any stripper or SB. I just don't see a long term future and don't see the point or value in exclusivity, especially given how easy it would be for her to be fucking someone else and just hiding it -- and a 20-something super hot partygirl is definitely going to be fucking someone besides me, I figure.

I do strongly value consistency, reliability, etc

@Muddy:

(1) "she's trying to pay for college" (2) " I hope she doesn't expect that on my end with me spending money" (3) " I'm not a big repeat guy"

Lol, gosh I sure hope she doesn't expect you to spend money. I'd love to hear her side of the story and I bet not one bit of this was discussed before sex.

You should post this over on the Reddit forum, @Muddy, so we can get a laugh after the girls ream you a new asshole.

Randumb, I responded to his question and the broader concept, not his particular preferences. See what I quoted above my comments. Before you accuse someone else of not reading you might want to do so yourself. Just a thought. ;)

@Dugan it's plainly obvious that he's not looking for a "substitute for a real relationship." This is your favorite topic -- lecturing the rest of us, like a broken record, for being too weak to recognize the difference.

As I said, this type of behavior --where some poor creep is using SA like Tinder or Backpage-- is fodder for a good laugh over on the Reddit forum.

Personally I don't put much stock into what a girl/woman I'm paying to be w/ me tells me - she's there to make me feel good, not tell me what's really on her mind, and they know this - thus hard to know when they are being sincere since it's their job to just make me feel good - and hard to know what her motivation/angle is; she may have her own particular reasons for what she thinks/feels and it may not be the same as the PL perceives it to be.

At the end of the day, most PLs that deal w/ SBs or strippers, do not plan on having a genuine relationship w/ them assuming that was possible - thus I personally don't see that much value in "does she or doesn't she (have genuine feelings, etc)", IMO no value beyond some ego-stroking - for me personally, I am not looking for a genuine relationship w/ a P4P girl thus I don't expect genuine feelings nor do I spend any time entertaining/deciphering her genuine-ness - reality is I just expect to get what I pay for and don't expect/want anything else nor do I think I'm entitled to anything else.

"As I said, this type of behavior...is fodder for a good laugh over on the Reddit forum"

Because Reddit pervs are so much more sophisticated than TUSCL pervs.

"Because Reddit pervs are so much more sophisticated than TUSCL pervs."

My honest opinion? It's far less blue-collar, less sexist, better writing quality, less delusional.

In any case, @Wallanon, the biggest difference is that the Reddit forum is filled with actual SBs who deal with broke guys using SA like Tinder. Trust me.

^Rando I have met 25 individuals from this site IRL so far. Most of them participated in the discussion board (even if just briefly) and the vast majority (with a few exceptions) are white collar.

Anyways,, what kind of classism is that with using “blue collar” as a slur? I understand many Indians such as yourself are software engineers and doctors, but that doesn’t mean that blue collar workers aren’t a necessary part of society. And don’t deserve derision.

I'm not Indian or S. Asian; I'm white. For those of you who don't understand @Spice's post here's a quick summary:

(1) Someone created a troll account under the username @ApoopDeep, S. Asian who smells like shit and works at a convenience store.

(2) Spice also "accused" @Supra of being Indian and she doesn't like Indians. At least in @Subra's case, the name Subramanian is a common Indian name and there are many successful Indians in the Bay Area.

(3) I posted that S. Asians are the most successful ethnic group by income and educational attainment in the US. I've worked alongside many successful Indians in Silicon Valley.

(4) She doesn't seem to understand that a white guy might think that racial stereotypes are downright stupid.

(5) Dealing with @Spice here is a consequence of standing up with an unpopular opinion.

LOL there’s other dancers who have derided Indians who you might be confusing me with. I personally have praised them for being a straightforward group of customers who tend to make yes or no decisions quickly with minimal mind games more than once. Even when somebody queries me further because their CF in their local club told him they don’t want to deal with Indian customers. Not everyone’s cup of tea, but I’ve personally enjoyed them as a customer group. I am just simply blunt on how grope happy they are. 😂😂

And the question to subra that one time (how do you remember that one time I asked subra a question but not the other times on the subject?) all had to do with mentioning of his friends enjoying the same CF. Generally, ime that kind of attitude is more prevalent with Indians and Mexicans. I wouldn’t consider that bad or good, just simply what it is.

You can be as much of a defender of racial stereotypes as you want but that doesn’t get you out of the blue collar smash you just pulled and possibly trying to distract from. I hope crazyjoe destroys your shitter so you can continue your classism while you have to call a Plummer.

Final note, I call you an Indian because I know it pisses you off. 😈 I haven’t figured out why, but I’m gonna keep rolling with it.

I'll go back to ignoring you, dipshit. You have plenty of lonely men here that adore you.

LOL maybe some curry will cheer you up

Muddy, if you start seeing the girl outside, then you have your loyalty right there.

SJG

^^ hahaha

Loyalty in the club is a bit silly imo. Unless you actually have a real connection (that is also highly subjective) you and the dancer have no obligation to each other. You want dances from somebody else? get them. She sees another regular that she can make a quick 1-300+; great!

I once told a dancer that I was going to be in town and at the club on xyz days. I told her do NOT come to work just to see me - but it would be great to see her for a bit. She came to work only to see me and was pissed off that I was talking to other girls and getting dances from them as well. That wasn't me being disloyal, it was her being incapable of setting realistic expectations.

Nicespice said "You can be as much of a defender of racial stereotypes as you want but that doesn’t get you out of the blue collar smash you just pulled and possibly trying to distract from. I hope crazyjoe destroys your shitter so you can continue your classism while you have to call a Plummer."

^ this is right. I am a native Coloradan and blue collar and very proud of both. You should not talk shit about blue collar workers because like myself, some of them know a lot of people. Some blue collar workers have put the word out on shitty customers who despise blue collar workers and made it difficult for guys like you to get anything like fixing your plumbing done.. oh yea, you may find out the hard way how the good ol boy system works. lmao! I hope your attitude doesn't come across in real life when dealing with blue collar workers

Also you mentioned coming to Colorado from California. I speak for all the proud natives of Colorado when I say DEPORT ALL THE CALIFORNIANS back to their homeland. Indians and even Texans are okay though.

This all just goes to show that strip club loyalty is like a plate of chicken chettinad. Sure, at first it's delicious and spicy, maybe rub your naan in there to pick up the sauce, but the next day, you always pay for it.

You are welcome for me sharing the wisdom of my people.

Sorry Randumb, but first you keep repeating the same whiny unjustified complaint to me over and over and then you attribute a comment to nice that she never made. No good dude, or, to put it in your native Hindi tongue, अच्छा नहीं (achchha nahin).

Besides you're not even verified or a VIP. At least she contributes and I'm not remotely biased by her rick topless pics...really. :)

@CrazyJoe: " I speak for all the proud natives of Colorado when I say DEPORT ALL THE CALIFORNIANS back to their homeland. "

I do get that a lot and, for example, the Uber driver the other day was complaining about the influx of Californians. I kept my mouth shut. There's a lot of resentment about the fact that we've turned the state purple and it will soon be blue.

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^^^ there you go. Now gtfo

You can go back to your third world shithole where people are allowed to shit in the streets instead of destroying McDonald's shitters

I just dropped a year long fave tonight. We sat and had a good time at the bar but this is the third visit in a row where her dances were too mechanical and she didn't take her thong off. She's basically starting to "mail it in". So I got my last two dances with her and told her I'd be seeing this other dancer too. She said understood. Then afterwards I stayed and got some great dances with the other one.

I'm loyal as long as mileage and flirting don't change for the worse over time.

Seems like Colorado is not the only state that doesn't like Californians. Thos article talks about what happens when Californians move to America 🤣😂🤣😂🤣

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Woah where is this vitriol coming from RM? Did I touch a nerve dude? I don’t know how I “took advantage of her” I took her out somewhere nice to eat. She was fun to talk to. Laughed the whole night. She definitely loved the sex that was obvious and told me so. On the top of that got a bunch of money. Then when I dropped off she kissed me a bunch of times. Both people clearly had a great time. I don’t see why everything has to last forever. We only live so long and I’m single. Nobody did anything did wrong. There was never talk of how the next two years are gonna go with us. I just took her out for a night and we had a great time. Not an adversarial thing at all. I just work a lot. When I’m free and have the money again I’ll probably do something fun with her again which she knows. SA ain’t the rent a GF as you think it is. Im not predator man knock that lefty shit off. Fucking hell dude.

Speaking as a former Californian who escaped the people's republic, not all of us leave and try to turn our new states into what we escaped from. A good deal of us are like this:

tuscl.net

If you look at a map of how CA votes, it looks like it's a red state. Unfortunately the bit of blue along the coasts have a much greater population density. Even in that blue, there are a lot of citizens who aren't. The state has so many people in it that back in the 2016 election, CA posted the 3rd highest amount of votes for President DJT, trailing only TX and FL. That's a lot of pissed off citizens and there are a lot of them moving out.

I'd say that from the experience of my family, friends and myself that escaped, as long as you assimilate into your new state and don't try to tell your new neighbors that it should be done like back in CA that you're generally welcomed into the community.

And btw this is what I’m talking about when I saw there’s drama in this site. This dude coming in hot for no reason. Holy fucking shit. Anyway

@Subra honestly from where I sit I fail to see how loyalty and exclusive are mutually exclusive no pun intended. True they are not same but I don’t see loyalty as all or nothing concept rather something that comes in varying degrees and I just feel it takes some degree of loyalty to maintain exclusiveness in the SC world IMO. Lot of options. Maybe I’m wrong?

Loyalty in this instance seemed to be offered to me. I don’t quite know what I’m going to do with it yet. I have been somewhat exclusive with past favs (the two in my pics) when they are in the club. Not outside that shit though. At this point I don’t even know if I have the time to juggle multiple girls anyway at the moment. But I want to. Always want to. I’m a guy, single, what else is there to want. Just wanted run this by TUSCL to see how some of y’all roll.

@Muddy-

The key issue is whether your motives were discussed in advance. Before you had sex, did you explain that you're "not a repeat guy?" Did you explain that this would be pump-and-dump sex? Did you explain that you don't have enough money to help her with college? It sounds like she wants to see you again BECAUSE SHE NEEDS THE MONEY.

Lol, with your permission I'll create a throw-away account on Reddit and post your thread, verbatim. We can sample the reaction from the non-TUSCL crowd.

No what was discussed was let’s have fun one night and see how it is. Do we have chemistry or what not. That was discusssed on a prior night where we met up and just talked in my car. That was the M+G. Then we hung out for a night and she seemed to really enjoy it. I’m 29 we don’t have a huge age gap. I’m not saying she’s in love with me but she probably finds me somewhat attractive. I’m definitely in really good shape atleast no doubt. So there’s that too. This kind of stuff about moving forward was brought up as during this past night what she’s looking for long term and all that. I can’t make any promises I work a lot and been very tied up lately but I would no doubt enjoy something like that. But at the end of the day this is somebody on the payroll so I can’t reciprocate the kind just want to be with you and give you 100% of my fun money. It’s becomes a business decision. She’s tracking it can never be an every day thing. That’s true for anybody in my life right now. That’s me on my end. There was absolutely no luring, lying or tricks. None of that. Just a cool experience. I also happen to really like her. Very pretty girl. Asked me a bunch of stuff really wanted to learn from me, where to go in life, questions about possibly joining the military, school stuff, car buying all sorts of shit that I was happy to help with. I just thinking your seeing it in a different way then what’s happening. Maybe that’s a failure on my end to paint the picture better. Any girl, stripper, SC or Civie I usually tried make the night as special as I can. I’m usually pretty good at making them laugh. And I’m always a gentleman, very protective, and I truly want them to leave feeling really happy and just have fun time. I’m not telling these girls I want a 10 year relationship and then poof! That is not what it is and many of the girls I meet don’t even want any commitment. They just want some money to get there hair and nails done and they are stoked. The bad blood and burnt bridges just aren’t there at all. Maybe with others that’s more common? I don’t really know I’m not them.

You could definitely post what whatever you want on reddit. I’m not hiding anything. I didn’t make this thread about a new SB I met though. I would’ve dug into more detail. It was more just anecdotal thing as an excuse to bring up the exclusiveness topic to TUSCL that’s all.

And I want to make clear I’m not the fucking ghenghis khan of pussy hunting. I would love to be a great civie relationship with somebody. I’m just at point I’m my life with work, odd hours and certain goals where I just don’t have room for normal serious dating right now. It just good time for mongering once in a blue moon. That’s just what I got right until I’m on a more secure foundation. The goal is to be where some of you guys are making crazy money.

Muddy-

Maybe you're the exception but most 29-yr-olds don't have enough money to support an SB going to college. For that reason, most of the girls filter out guys under 40. Just my opinion, but I think you should be open and honest with her about what you can afford. You might be better off with stripper OTC or escorts where it's understood that it's just a one-nigher; it's just the opposite in the sugaring world where something ongoing is implied. That's why it's called an "arrangement."

I'm going to drop out of the thread now.

Ok well one more response. I'm doing pretty good money wise, it does come at cost of my free time. I would just prefer to trade money for time at this point. It works for me right now. I do not agree with your assessment that most on there want long term things. I don't see SB's as escorts by the way. We actually do stuff like go to movies, stand up shows, concerts go out to eat, yeah we definitely fuck but the whole is experience is a good time. I'm not just a walking dick, I want to have fun outside the bedroom too. I'm not entirely truthful when I say I'm not a repeat guy, I should have said I like variety. I do see these girls again. But a little more spread out. Not so much weekly maybe more like monthly or bi monthly. I don't see where all these people have all this time to see somebody like that multiple times a week unless you were living together or some shit. People do this stuff and watch all these TV shows. Where in the fuck are people finding all this time. I'll shut up now though. I didn't want to turn the damn thread about me, I wanted other people stories too.

OK I lied one more thing worth noting. She's have a job. I'm not her only source income. It would just be supplemental anyway. And in NYC CUNY schools are pretty affordable. She's not exactly going to Northeastern or some shit like that.

From people in the real world, loyalty means a great deal to me. In the SC or monger world, it has no meaning to me.

@Muddy

Loyalty

Is the quality of staying firm in your friendship or support for someone or something.

“Customer” loyalty exists when a person regularly patronizes a particular “retailer” that he or she knows, likes, and trusts.

exclusivity

Is the quality of being available only to a small number of people who are rich enough or considered good enough

exclusivity is the state of being the only “Customer “that is allowed to have or do something from the “retailer”

We can change Customer for Sugar Daddy or PL and retailer with Sugar Baby or Stripper.

I am a creature of habit, and as a customer I regularly patronize the retailers that provide the products with the quality I like with good service in a mutually beneficial fair trade.

My ATF Stripper and I developed a Sugar Baby type of relationship we had OTC almost every week for more than two years.

I would pick her up on Sunday afternoon, get an hotel room and make love, massage each other, have room service sometimes we would go to dinner to nice a nice place. She would refer to me as her fiancé to other people, her sister told me.

I have thousands of pictures of her modeling cute sexy outfits I got for her. Around Halloween she was slave princesses Lea from Star Wars, Dallas Cowboy Cheerleader, Playboy Bunny. Around Christmas a sexy miss Santa, naughty school girl.

She was a baby stripper 22 when we meet, very sweet and nice, the sex got better and better because she was more comfortable and felt safe relaxed and was able to let herself go and enjoy it, I enjoyed it too, she experienced multiple orgasms and was very shy and sweet about it.

Sometimes she would spend the night and would fall a sleep with her head on mi chest like the little angel she was.

She was worth every penny and every second I spent on her.

Thank you for making me remember that relationship.

===> "I’m 29 we don’t have a huge age gap."

Situations like this are exactly why I post the age old warning about p4p girls not being suitable substitutes for real relationships. Randumb is free to throw another sissy fit, but it's as valid now as it ever was.

Lines can blur very easily in a young guy's head when he spends a lot of time with a single p4p girl. I've seen it happen too many times to count. Also, try as one might, it's very hard to control feelings after prolonged interactions with the same girl as attraction, fun and comfort all play a role.

If I were you, I wouldn't be spending much time or money with any p4p girl. If you want to play the field, go to an online social/dating site and find civvie girls to hang out with. When I was your age, I was recently divorced and having the freakin' time of my life. The only time I hit a p4p girl was when I had a sudden itch to scratch. Taking paid pussy out on dates is for us old dudes who have had their wives and kids (or never will) and whose advanced ages dramatically decrease the likelihood of emotional confusion.

@Muddy

I don’t think you realize you did her wrong.

The Old School(1920’s-1950’s) traditional Sugar Daddy/ Sugar Baby relationship had some degree of exclusivity because only really wealthy men could afford to have a mistress.

Today is supposed to be similar,

“Successful men who enjoy attractive company. Money isn’t an issue, thus they are generous when it comes to supporting a Sugar Baby.”

“Relationships form and grow..”

Quotes from the seeking arrangements.

She is sincere in wanting a relationship, a Daddy figure that will support her financially, and emotionally in exchanges for her youthful beauty, and sex.

You in the other hand are looking for P4P and variety. But you didn’t disclosed that. She did everything she did with you expecting you would be her sugar daddy.

I don’t think you intentionally wanted to deceive her, because there are a lot of sugar babies in the Internet that just want P4P or “platonic” (no sex) relationships, and scammers, hookers, escorts that use the internet to scam.

I doubt she would have had sex with you if she had known your real intentions. If I understand your post correctly you have seen her at least two times, a relationship started in her eyes.

Many sugar babies are turned into escorts by deceiving Daddies that do what you did.

@Muddy

I forgot, pics and videos or didn't happen.

"She did everything she did with you expecting you would be her sugar daddy."

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Is you serious?

@ Wallanon

Yes I am serious.

I think she had that kind of expectation, because she is young and naive and probably believed in all the sugaring tales of a wealthy man supporting a “Pretty Woman”

Loyalty (level of interest), happy ending, low cost pop, on time to session - all strong factors.

Find one girl that meets those qualities, just do her, stay on budget.

But at end of day it’s play for pay. Their feelings for their husband, boyfriend, fiancée.

BAngus said "Speaking as a former Californian who escaped the people's republic, not all of us leave and try to turn our new states into what we escaped from. A good deal of us are like this:

tuscl.net

If you look at a map of how CA votes, it looks like it's a red state. Unfortunately the bit of blue along the coasts have a much greater population density. Even in that blue, there are a lot of citizens who aren't. The state has so many people in it that back in the 2016 election, CA posted the 3rd highest amount of votes for President DJT, trailing only TX and FL. That's a lot of pissed off citizens and there are a lot of them moving out.

I'd say that from the experience of my family, friends and myself that escaped, as long as you assimilate into your new state and don't try to tell your new neighbors that it should be done like back in CA that you're generally welcomed into the community."

^You are a cool guy BAngus, and nice pic!

"Speaking as a former Californian who escaped the people's republic, not all of us leave and try to turn our new states into what we escaped from. "

Agree. It's pretty dicky to brag about the fact that CA is so fucked up that people are leaving it in droves, going into states where there is an actual high quality of life, and then basically turning those states into adopting the policies that fucked up CA so atrociously. Bragging about it is as craven and despicable as you can get. Really. I plan to retire in a free state with lower cost of living and better quality of life, and hope that state hasn't been fucked into a mini-CA by then, by people bragging about improving that state by making it more like CA. Fucked up.

@Subraman, Thank you. I appreciate the sentiment. You said exactly what I was getting at.

This isn't the first time Rando's crowed about "we're turning states blue!", oblivious to the irony that the whole reason people are leaving is because it's so fucked up here, but he thinks it's a point to brag about.

Subra-

I know you mean well, but your attempt to troll me lacks the sarcastic bite of a true virtuoso (like @Dougster) and you're too intelligent for the kind of belligerent stupidity of someone like @Meathead.

I left CA for a job offer and I wasn't fleeing because CA has problems. California is the engine for our entire economy and has the best schools in the world.

I suppose it's true that slightly-left-of-center voters like myself are inherently evil. After all, we've given healthcare to 20M poor Americans and another 50M Americans can now buy health insurance with pre-existing conditions (instead of going bankrupt). I could go on, but you get the idea.

Is it possible to put a time out on this political chit chat or move it to the forum that was created to clear it off the rest of the site? It's been a couple of days already to scratch that itch and has nothing to do with the thread.

@CrazyJoe brought politics into the discussion @Wallanon, out of nowhere. Then I responded to personal trolling.

^ Not only is he classist, he is a little bitch. And never went off to the the reddit forum with the higher class of sophisticated elites like he said he would.

(As if the higher class of sugar daddies who actually give monthly allowances of 5k and up use Seeking, no offense anyone on this site. Yes, my opinion comes from what strippers say)

But I guess with the thread, loyalty is ditching a state for a better job opportunity (aka welfare benefits). One would think the better opportunity would be the location that has “the engine for our entire economy and [...] the best schools in the world”...but I digress

Men (like of the upper class level Rando wants to present himself as) just simply lives their lives day-to-day and top tier women will come over to them—no website necessary. Seeking is a “middle class” site IMO. No shade if the women on there are beautiful and men are finding happy arrangements. But to assign a lot of oddball mannerisms is odd. Including the madonna/whore complex I’ve noticed some individuals assign to the pure innocent sugar baby madonnas vs the plotting jaded stripper or escort whores. 🤷🏻‍♀️

I've encountered people having their first lunch date, having been introduced by a computer match making site. I felt sorry for them. The matchmaking site removes sexual desire and makes it all neurotic, i.e. middle-class.

The computer does not make sex happens. It is a screener.

SJG

===> "But to assign a lot of oddball mannerisms is odd. Including the madonna/whore complex I’ve noticed some individuals assign to the pure innocent sugar baby madonnas vs the plotting jaded stripper or escort whores. "

^ +1,000

If a girl is marketing herself on SA, it is because she is willing to have sex for money. She might make a guy jump through a few more hoops than a girl marketing on Eros, but ultimately the end result is the same.

A stripper, on the other hand, has adult entertainment revenue that doesn't necessarily come from p4p. Indeed, some dancers never do p4p and others only do so very selectively. Meanwhile the SA girl knows that she isn't going to earn much if she doesn't give up that ass.

Now that is no shot at guys who seek out girls on SA. To each his own. Just don't fool yourselves as to what it is. Shit, about once a year I peruse my local SA roster and I can't tell you how many strippers and local escorts I've seen on there - they just use a fluffier profile on SA.