He said dancers only guys.
As a dancer myself, I feel $5 is fair. I have been elected to speak on behalf of all dancers everywhere, so please close the thread, founder
> Maybe they can go the airline way and do the ancillary revenue thingy.
Maybe some of these enterprising younger dancers will think of some sort of extra services they could charge for
-->"with that kind of gross margin it was surprising that dancers are not going public. Investors love high gross margins . . . the only way to scale income is to charge more. Maybe they can go the airline way and do the ancillary revenue thingy."
Appears tuscl needs a Microeconomics Discourse forum to supplement the Political Discourse Forum.
I think that a fair price should depend on:
How long are the dances? One song? One truncated song? Flat five minutes? Flat ten?
Privacy? Open floor? Separate area of couches? Semiscreened cubicles? Curtained room? Room with (maybe licking) door?
State of dancer dress? Bikini, topless or nude?
Contact? Air dance, one-way, two way?
Access? Limited or pretty much anything goes.
On this basis, lap dances could be fairly charged between $5 and $40.
I think fun_loving_fella has the best answer - emulate the airlines
Think of the add ones dancers could add:
Do you want a chair or couch?
Do you want us to wipe down the previous occupant’s leftovers?
Shall I take my bra off?
Motorboat?
It boggles the mind as to what could supplement current pricing model.
I am not a dancer. But there is nothing written in the sky which says how much such things should cost.
When our underground circuit has been at its best, $1 at a time usually did it.
But no matter what, buying dances is a chumps game. Better if you can just demonstrate generosity and get friendly with your girl in the front room. Save the booths and backrooms until you really need the privacy because your own pants are going to come down.
Nicespice recently posted about one Mister Deep Bra Stuff. I think he had the right idea, not buying dances, but he sees a girl he likes so he demonstrates generosity and gets something going. Probably if he had not spotted her, he would have just gone home.
Better if he had the time available to follow through.
But most of her customers don't seem to get their own thread.
SJG
Ha Ha Ha!
Mexican Bars, table dancing. Party tape with no gaps between songs.
So girls dance instead of talking about selling dances. Talent agent gets a per shift rate per girl. So there is no percentage. They dance for you so long as you keep feeding them money. Then they go to the next guy. So no fixed time intervals. They don't ask permission, they just do, while they try to rake in money.
One 3 hour show, the girls are constantly raking in $1 bills. Experienced dancers, even at other clubs, have assured me that they get more money that way than with "wanna dance".
The $1 at a time interactions are pretty open ended.
Other talent agents have made it $20 per song. This keeps it more within bounds, but the girls do not get as much of a take as they do at $1 at a time.
$1 at a time for 3 hours could be $400 easily. And this is in a down scale venue.
This is also why they limit the show length, want to rake in all the money, then go someplace else. Girls really have no down time, always metering in money.
What taking they do is about OTC, and sometimes there is Front Room DFKing, though I would usually start them off with open tongue kissing. Those girls are all beloved escorts.
Ideally they could do clandestine full service, Front Room, or have a VIP Room, or a mini-van in the parking lot. But this has not always been the case. But they do all they can to line you up for OTC, besides DFKing this can be pussy in the face.
SJG
DTS--->"Ancillary revenue thingy = Extras"
Believe it or not, a common hustle suggested by stripperweb is "$20 per lapdance.... $30 if you want to touch". Evidently, there are so many moron customers that, at least for more touristy clubs I suppose, this can work out. I don't imagine this could ever work for regulars, or dayshifts (which are more regular heavy). But girls on nightshift at a more touristy or boys-night-out oriented club?
^^^^^^ And the answer is front room friendliness.
Display generosity by handing her money. Then either she gets real real friendly right there where you are sitting, or you are done with her.
And also, you can do the same sort of thing with the basic feel up tip. Hand her money, begin to admin feel up as you talk to her. Either she does you bidding as you hand her money, or you are done with her.
Could easily lead to FRMOS, back room FS, then waking up in the mornings with her. Or it could just be intro money spent and nothing else.
BUT DON"T LET HER PUSH YOU INTO DANCE BUYING!
You buy a dance you have no idea whether or not she will open up. So better just to play with her in the Front Room, until a FROMS gets to the point where your pants need to come down.
SJG
Depends. A topless only dance is worth nothing to me, so I say zero on that one. All nude, no contact but good upclose view of vagina, IMO $20. All nude with grinding, $25. A little FIV and Daty, I'll go along with $35 as a fair price.
SJG —>” recently posted about one Mister Deep Bra Stuff. I think he had the right idea, not buying dances, but he sees a girl he likes so he demonstrates generosity and gets something going. Probably if he had not spotted her, he would have just gone home.
Better if he had the time available to follow through.
But most of her customers don't seem to get their own thread.“
That happened over the summer. But now I have a new all time favorite customer. This one happened a few weeks ago. He walked up to me when I was on stage, we chatted for a couple minutes or so, and he left $400 worth of club funny money for me, and walked out of the club. 😍😍😍
But more important than price, I think it’s more important that there’s consistency. Not only on price but also mileage. (Regardless if it’s low or high)...*unless* the club gets enough out of towner foot traffic that it doesn’t really matter.
"$20 if out in the open
$25 if secluded
All lap dances should be two way contact."
@Bharlem81 Agreed!!! Out here in the PNW those rates would be a discount.
We hit $35/song in CBus and that was it for me. Imagine $100 for light grinding from a girl wearing her bottoms and thick wax over her nipples for 3 x 3 minutes of song. $25 for those dances even seemed to be too much. I think 5 songs for $100 is doable for your basic dance in a cubby with no curtain or anything.
Isn't there something in economics to do with diminishing return. If you jack up the price too high, you reduce the number of dances purchased and overall income drops for both the dancers and the club.
nicespice, what is "club funny money"?
I don't think the price of lap dances is that important. For one thing you don't want to be buying dances anyway. It is a chump's game. What is more important is that there be little regulations on the front room.
A few years back someone posted about going to a club, there was a dancer on stage and he put a couple of bucks onto the tips rail Then he set about getting his drink.
Then soon the dancer was off stage, and she approached him at the bar, leading with the stripper handshake.
Then she suggested that they move across the room for privacy, just to sit in free space.
This guy never talked about DFKing, but I think it highly likely that this Cuban girl would have gone for it.
She helped him get his hand into her panties for FIV. They they went into the dance booth for FS. Then after he asked her "how much"? He paid her her reasonable price.
I don't think he was expecting anything like that when he went to the club.
The girl never stopped the stripper handshake until tab A was in slot B.
And she never mentioned money until he asked her, when they had finished.
BUYING DANCES IS A CHUMP'S GAME.
In my view, you can generally make things happen with a girl you select if you just approach and demonstrate generosity. If you really want to be seeing her outside regularly, there are ways of letting her know this, without seeming to pressure her or to be talking down to her. And probably if you are talking to her the right way, when you kiss her she will go along with it wholeheartedly. A little while like that, making out with a girl and talking to her, will really soften her up.
It works with civilians. It works with AMP girls. Most of the time it will work with on duty strippers in the front room. She is getting money and she will be getting more money, both ITC and OTC. Economizing is not the objective. The objective is to set the tone of the interaction right off, and then continue to regular outside meetings.
SJG
Nicespice, club funny money is probably some kind of a script. And then so you have to turn it in to change it back to real money. But I am guessing that the reason they do this is to placate the IRS. So your tips money will be reported.
Not a good club to go to if there are other options.
So if a guy instead just hands you real money, what happens?
Better to go to clubs which keep a lower profile, so that no authorities even know that there is money changing hands. Dancer money and house cuts stay below the radar. No official list of who their dancers, and shot girls, are. They might just as well be seen as female customers, not regulated, controlled, or approved by the house.
That's just basic Dive School 101.
SJG
Yeah in regards to Columbus it does seem like dance prices are too high esp with clubs constantly running promo. Also they seem raid happy out there not just with Stormy Daniel's. No thanks! I've never been and these are reasons I won't go.
Pensacola the prices are too high. Guys don't buy the dances at Sammy's there unless they are running their seemingly constant 2 for 1... unfortunately i was dumb enough to try Pensacola. It is a piss poor town w high crime for a little place and low real estate values so the dance prices are silly.
If I say the prices are too high I mean the guys are not really spending that in that market. There is always a market for everything but some club owners/managers get it all wrong!
The true costs are far more depressing.
Loss of your marriage - considerable dent in your net worth and future earnings - loss of time spent with your kids - loss of a very nice house in a great location with a great piece of land -
But usually it’s $20-25 per song.
That's the costs of strippers sucking your wallet dry, or that's the costs of looking to strip clubs for sexual gratification and turning into a Pervert and PL?
SJG
@Blah, I agree that Pensacola prices are too high. I was quoted $60 for one song the other day. I passed. I think they are trying to get you to buy time in blocks which is a better deal. But you take a bigger risk if it doesn’t work out. It is kinda depressing some days. But it’s where I live and play.
^^^^^^ Always select your girl carefully and start by demonstrating generosity and getting a FRMOS going.
Strip clubs are a joke if you are just looking for sexual gratification. But if you plan to be waking up with your girl in the mornings regularly, well worth it.
SJG
I wonder how active the cops are in FL panhandle clubs because every club I tried in the panhandle is literally air dances or almost air dances when I was there. I cant imagine a guy wants to pay $40 per song for air dances. The 60 is crazy but as far as I understand girls can make the prices but it is heavily frowned upon to go under 40 there. I just haven't been inside any of the clubs where any of the girls are lap hopping constantly at 40/song in fl panhandle. FL panhandle is not really the money part of Florida so the prices of single dances weird me out. Their room prices are pretty normal but cuts are some of the worst I've ever seen so makes more sense for a girl to try and sell multiple dances upfront cuz she keeps the money unlike with rooms...
I imagine otc is easy to set up there. Maybe not fucking but just meeting a girl outside the club is probably easy because of how much the clubs there rob the girls on rooms.
With the economics being that high gross margins are a positive thing, i now know why the dancers like me so much. I
Am am the Highest Marginally Gross dude in the dive clubs I frequent; all the other PLs must be just Flat Out Gross!
I Don do single lap dances. So, $150 to $300 per 30 minutes, depending on mileage is my opinion even though I am not a dancer. It is simply what I am willing to pay. If it’s more expensive, then I go play elsewhere.
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