Interesting Encounter—Possibly the future of the dancer directory and this site?

My own view is that F2F first meetings are best.

At a minimum, better not to try and set up meetings with dancers via this site. That would create tension.

But, as this guy did not set up a meeting, he just showed up, okay. I guess he decided that he did like NiceSpice f2f, so he approached. Could then be good, pleasant surprise.

SJG

Another comment from me: For the longest time, I didn’t really think things like reputation really mattered in this industry. Sure I’ve refrained from ripping off and/or super brutally hustling customers when I’ve had the chance to in the past.

But that was more a personal preference thing rather than any fear of consequences. Wow. That’s also something that I wonder if it will become a more widespread thing in the future.

Seems a little creepy to me. It makes me wonder though how many are reading but not posting

Say I liked a girl on this forum. Would I contact her and try to set up a meeting?

Probably no. That would be like turning a stripper into an escort. We already have sites with escort ads.

Arranging the meeting would also be like one of these dating services. It creates tension in the girl, will I like her?

Whereas with f2f first meetings, if I like her, she will feel it in her bones.

So if I was to seek contact with a female member, I probably would just go to her club. I would never ask anyone about her, I would just try to find her without mentioning my knowledge of her TUSCL identity.

If after some interaction it looked like things were a go for us, then I might tell her about my knowledge of her TUSCL identity. But again, this would only be if things looked like a go for us, like waking up together in the morning was likely. I might even wait until that morning to tell her.

Of the super cute petite big tits black girl I followed from a lunch place into San Francisco New Century, I did not tell her that I'd spotted her out on the side walk until our front room makeout session was well underway. Told at that point, it really tickled her, cause I told her the story without telling her that it was about her. Then when she figured it out, she blushed. I talked about a girl whom I thought was an office worker, and of how I was going to try and invite her to lunch.

Never want to hurt a girl's feelings by showing that you don't really like her looks, or are somehow ambivalent about her. No need to create those kinds of situations.

Many of the women who post and are in the dancer directory, to me, they look like the probably do not currently dance in strip clubs. So probably then I would never seek contact with them.

See, Want, Get is the powerful turn on of strip clubs. And well, it goes a long way to explain why strip club women very often do reciprocate when there is such interest.

Escort systems are inferior, and so I would only use them if there was no Strip Club or AMP alternative.

I do notice that there is the MLB escort system, totally GFE and TLN preferred, in Tijuana. Sometimes they have had meet the girls events at places like pizza restaurants. I think that is really cool, meet them non-commitally.

I assume that preliminary makeout sessions are then common. And they say that the girls are session available, though they only want TLN's.

SJG

I doubt that PLs meeting dancers via the dancer-directory will catch on much - seems most dancers don't put much effort into their TUSCL profile nor actively seeking potential-custies on TUSCL - and some dancers may find it creepy guys wanting to meet them at the club from having found them on TUSCL - as as you've mentioned in the past, the avg dancer probably doesn't have a very high opinion of TUSCLers (not all of us are successful Chemical Engineers in fancy-suits w/ a super-suave personality)

NiceSpice should be recognized as the woman who has put the most into being part of this forum, as well as being one of our few women members who is a current strip club dancer.

SJG

It was through this site that I arranged to meet Waffle at a club. I think we both thought it was a worthwhile and fun thing to do. There are a few other dancers on this site, nicespice is one, that I would be thrilled to meet. Why would you not want to do it. The worst that could happen is find there is no chemis try and it will be a short meeting.

Its because I would not want to disappoint a girl that way with the no chemistry.

Whereas if there is chemistry, she will feel it in her bones.

That's why I believe in f2f first meetings only.

SJG

I would love to meet Nicespice but my problem is my wife now travels with me most of the time nowadays!

@Papi at first I was skeptical as well at first at the idea—but it does seem the directory has been getting larger. Sure, a good chunk of dancers are no doubt just using the directory to be able to read reviews. But I think there may be a few that are under the radar and around.

I’ve noticed recently that it one dancer in particular is slowly gaining some popularity, and she doesn’t even post on the discussion board at all. I wouldn’t be surprised if there are a few other dancers too that I haven’t noticed. 🤔 tuscl.net

It seems like a risk - to mention your status as a lurker on this site. I mean no offense to Founder. I’m simply unsure if it has potential for more good or harm.

It seems that it was a good experience, so no issues.

There is a massive downside to a dancer doing online marketing (instagram or the dancer directory here): it totally breaks the nice college girl fantasy.

@Nice that girl works at one of the most popular TUSCL clubs SRCOI. And she hot with photos that’s easy that she would be popular.

@Paul It doesn’t for me on here. If it was like some straight up escort shit maybe (which is there) But just posting on here, what a great way to line up potential customers and screen them out at the same time.

I’m sure that eases up some uncertainty when traveling when you got guys like gsteph and SLD on your trip that’s guaranteed money why not use this shit. Matter of fact why not use tuscl while taking a shit. Some don’t agree but I’m a big proponent of getting more dancers on this site.

@sirlap, nope. Before posting on the discussion board, I would lurk on club reviews and that was it. I don’t think I was even aware of the board.

Oddly enough, the biggest thing that drew me onto the board at first was nicole1994. I couldn’t help noticing her, considering she was from my local area and somebody I considered an enigma.

If I can just get Nicole to sleep with me then maybe 🤔 💭

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😎

And I put together some mostly complete profile info in the dancer directory because of an individual who PM’ed me. And we ended up messaging back and fourth for a little bit. It was soon after that I started paying attention to the discussion board.

Hmm, I think I started with all that either just before or while I was starting to post on the discussion board. I don’t recall at this point.

I was being honest at the time with wanting to find out about clubs around the country when I invited TUSCLers to PM me. For the longest time I wanted to travel dance. And before posting on the board, I really had only ever worked in San Antonio and Austin. I’ve come a long way since then. 😁

So @PaulDrake LOL I really was a college girl. Perhaps not a freshman living in a dorm, but a college girl nonetheless. 😝

@muddy lol

Yes, you did steer me well with Sunset. I definitely liked that club. Easily manageable 5 hour shifts, inexpensive and flat fee house+tip out rate, and no club cuts for dances. I have a feeling that if I had been able to stay in town for longer, I could have better utilized that place. 😁

And in return I was allowed to give good mileage lapdances, and comfortable knowing that it was all allowed and good. Win/win

I think meeting F2F in club is fine and probably safest. We can all profile each other all day long, but Internet personas and IRL personas don't always match. If anything, I could see a PL possibly hurting a reputation here, but then again perhaps no one on here would necessarily take anyone else too seriously. I haven't seen anyone be overly harsh about you specifically. In fact, it's been quite the opposite with you.

In any case, I try not to make assumptions about anyone, but I'll admit an online presence would make me curious about meeting them IRL. So it's definitely a plus in my book if more dancers registered here and let us know about themselves.

I've met several members from this site and (the now defunct, but I miss it) TwoSheds. And I know Nina and Linzee in real life. I know some members saw me when I worked coat check at Silver Criket because I was mentioned in a few reviews back then (I had pink pair then). But it would be really weird for a lurker to tell me he recognized me. Is he a lurker with an account? Maybe we can make the dancer directory viewable only to those with accounts?

"It makes me wonder though how many are reading but not posting"

Most of the people on the TUSCL boards, probably.

There's a large demographic of guys who only review and interact via review comments and PMs. Much larger than the regulars who use the discussion forums.

I've received two PMs from guys who strictly lurk the discussions. One was very supportive of a position I'd taken in some battle. The other guy... not so much.

The only dancer here who really uses her TUSCL profile strategically and to her benefit is LinzeeDet. And she seems to be doing great.

Don’t you people sleep at night?

I have never met someone from here but it would be fun!

I do agree with Muddy and Waffle that this seems a bit creepy that this guy, if I understood correctly, did not have an account. Although, @nicespice, I do trust your sense of people and I am glad it turned out positive

i was a lurker with an account for a year before I first posted. imo ( aside from the homepage ) the site should require membership to access.

Hmm. Maybe I shouldn’t have started this thread if I wanted to try to bait an individual into creating an account here. 😅

I had no personal problems with the customer. I’m glad he showed up and helped double my income. I didn’t get any creep vibes from him. And at the end, we exchanged numbers. But aside from sending a friendly text thanking me for a great time, he hasn’t blown up my phone.

I personally welcome more randos to show up and make things easier for me.

Not to mention, I’ve been debating with myself back and fourth whether or not I wanted to go the next step further and “out” myself more online. As in, set up actual social media accounts and be willing to have my face visible for once.

The way I see it, if I do that, then I definitely am going to have to not mind randoms like that. If I decide I don’t want to be so “out” just yet, then I’ll have to alter my profile and be even more discreet.

Not going to easily pass out any of my club stage names at this time for example, because I get into too many flame wars with board members with troll aliases. 😈

AFAIC lurking and stalking are very similar and it’s impossible to judge intent I’d be extremely careful around any guys just popping up out of the blue. My 3 cents

^ So what that’s you personally you don’t speak for all of the potential lurkers that’s why my advice is exercise caution

The dancer directory here for me isn't very useful. Because it uses IP based geolocation it pretty much is always wrong. I'm either behind a proxy or NAT device or something most of the time, so where I sit & where my IP are aren't the same. Even without that issue, I'd probably want to use it when traveling more than locally. So, for it to be useful I'd need to be able to chose where to center the search from.

That said, I'd likely use it much in the way you're describing. While I do participate in extra activities, I also enjoy a more typical strip club experience as well. What I consider more typical is: maybe having a drink or a little conversation and then going for a couple of lap dances. Or, sitting at the stage or my table and just tipping on stage. I'm not interested in air dances, but I'm generally not pushing the limits either.

Not saying the customer did this, but there's a decent chance I'd not give my profile name if you asked. Not a whole lot of benefit for me to sharing that.

Is everyone ignoring the existence of StripperWeb and other sites like that? When you listen to the ladies talking among themselves, it turns out they hate all of us. The same seems to be true of escorts. I used to post on a Canadian escort review site and the ladies on there seemed as cool as the lady members we have here. Then I started to explore Twitter to find escorts and discuss the sex trades.

Man! The attitudes towards customers were as bad as StripperWeb. Just shut up, give them money, accept what they give in return and go away. I was shocked by the feelings the ladies have towards customers. And they air it openly as if it won't turn potential customers away.

I haven't been clubbing lately because of lack of opportunity....a wife and kid will do that to you. But even if I were single and free I'm not sure I would want to hit a club. 9 out of 10 ladies seem to hate customers in the industry....so why bother. Sure it's a fantasy to think she's into you....but it appears the truth is closer to her holding back the opportunity to puke all over you and steal your wallet.

So....no.....I won't share that I'm part of any kind of review site. The ladies seem to resent that we share with other guys what our experiences with them are. They'll site that it's always a ymmv but it sounds to me more like they don't want the next customer to have any expectations (good or bad).

If I make it to another club....My name is John, it's my first time here, I know nothing about clubs or what goes on in them and anything else I can do to keep them from wanting to tear my head off while hoping they'll play with my little head.

If you look a little more close into stripperweb, I suspect a lot of the loathing has nothing to do with the customer at all, and it’s projection. One dancer recently griped about extras RUINING the industry and it sucks that girls do that. Because clubs that allow that RUIN everybody’s money and health and safety. Which in and of itself is a common sentiment shared around there and nothing surprising. But the part that mind boggled me, was that soon after she went ahead and recommended Club Desire as the best club in the New England area. Thank you TUSCL for allowing me to spot the irony. And also thank you tuscl for allowing trolling on here. If somebody said something like that on here, I would have been able to have a field day.

Of course, that is just mere conjecture on my part. For all I know, that individual is a 100% clean cut air dancer. It was just all very...odd

Oh and btw, some individuals are of a personality type where they would rather observe before participating. And are the kind of person who likes having time before making decisions because they just analytical like that. I got that kind of vibe from him, and I can understand that behavior very well because I am the same way.

The fact somebody lurked before visiting the club is still not creepy.

I’d rather somebody have time to decide whether he would like a dance from me in the comfort and privacy his own home, rather than while dicking around at the club like most of these Portland dudes do—I am an impatient ho. Granted, I sat and chit chatted with him anyways before getting dances, but that was more my mo than his.

About stripper web, there is lots of rage about strip club DFKing, stage side, front room, and VIP Rooms. But these dancers that are outraged, that means that there must be something they are seeing.

And then they also talk about escorted. Then they all do DFKing.

So it is just a way women can get sometimes. Doesn't necessarily mean that they are permanently attached to position.

SJG

I don't think lurking on TUSCL is uncommon - most guys probably don't think "hey let me look for a website where I can talk about strip-clubs w/ other pervs all day long" - probably not uncommon for many TUSCLers to have stumbled on TUSCL just looking for some club info in an area and that may be their only interest and they may not even be aware there is an active discussion board - plus I wouldn't necessarily call it lurking, perhaps they just look from time to time out of curiosity but don't really have a big interest or may be turned-off by some of the shenanigans that go-on on the board.

I myself had stumbled on TUSCL a year or two b/f joining - once in a while I would do a search on the web for club info and would see a TUSCL link to a review but one could only read a snippet so I left it at that (I don't think I even inquired about joining to read reviews; I think I assumed one could only read reviews by paying and I wasn't interested) - I eventually joined TUSCL b/c I was gonna do an out-of-state trip and wanted to read some reviews - I paid for a lifetime membership at the time b/c I felt it was pretty-cost-effective ($79 lifetime back in early 2012) - I didn't have much interest in participating in the discussion board nor writing reviews, just needed some info for an upcoming trip - after getting my paid membership I started looking at reviews for the city I was going to (Houston) but was overwhelmed by the # of clubs and reviews and was lost and that is when I decided to go on the discussion board and ask for advice - even after joining I didn't write any reviews for several months - started writing some reviews after someone on the board called me out for being chatty on many threads but not having any reviews (I felt PL-emasculated - back then a TUSCLer's stats (# of clubs reviewed, and # of total reviews) was displayed beside his TUSCL name and being a double-zero (no clubs reviewed, and no reviews at all) was a badge of PL-dishonor).

You sure took that insult and threw it back in their face real good. Real real real good. Mr. about to have 400 reviews.

😁

So spicy ape, if we were to conduct an inspection of your club - a rickspection if you will - would you prefer I contact you or just show up with a vulture, shark, turtle, and dugan in tow?

I prefer the surprise rickspection myself, but I respect you because you’re a good hairless ape.

Were I the customer I would just show up and without disclosing my intents to anyone, just find the girl and engage with her.

If it went really well, at some point I would tell her of my TUSCL identity and quote some stuff from her posts.

Like with the super cute black girl, since I knew what she was wearing out on the sidewalk, and I knew were she was walking from, that proved my story, and that really influenced her.

But I would not start off by telling the girl I knew her from TUSCL, or by trying to contact her via TUSCL to set up a meeting.

I really do believe in F2F first meetings. That is what strip clubs are for, and AMPs too.

Escort services are an inferior approach, because the date has been agreed to before there is any unstructured fraternizing, and before any preliminary makeout session.

SJG

^ surprise rickspection is fine. Though I have to admit I’d like some forewarning if rickthechinaman joins as well 😅

Yeah that’s 💯 % creepy.

What’s not creepy is putting ghb in your drink.

Ricks wear nice suites so that they don't come across as creepy.

SJG

@nicespice, how bout spicing up your profile with a couple of pussy picts!

There’s nothing wrong with lurking on a site before participating. There’s nothing wrong with lurking in general. I fully agree with that behavior.

I simply question whether it is prudent to inform a dancer (when you are a customer) that you’ve lurked around this site. Maybe, after learning about NiceSpice, this guy surmised she wouldn’t react negatively to his revelation. Or, maybe this guy thought that NiceSpice would offer more after hearing he knew of her? Obviously it’s all speculation.

All I can say is please be careful when meeting up. I was actually impressed by your method of meeting me. You lurked deep in the darkness and probably scoped me out before you came up to me. Both days. Lol. I was wondering what was going through your mind as you approached out of the darkness. Lol. Maybe I read that all wrong, but it is what I would teach any martial arts/self defense student to do.

Pistrolla ape, drugging sexy female hairless apes is definitely not the rick way. Try it and you’ll get the wildebeest treatment if we find out. ROAR!!!

We ricks exploit sexy female hairless apes the honorable way: by finding one that are especially desperate for money and applying our charm. Taking down the sick and injured wildebeest is simply good strategy; drugging the wildebeest is over the line. We ricks may be assholes but we aren’t 100% dicks! ROAR!!!

This makes me wonder how many guys have seen dancers on here and met them at a club and never said anything about seeing them here.

@nicespice Thank you so much for sharing your experience...a couple of girls from my club recently joined and one of them asked me how long it took me to start generating biz from the site. I shared my story of being contacted out of the blue by a gentleman who lived elsewhere but knew he'd be traveling through my area. Within a week and after a handful of PMs between us, we met at Lust for an extremely enjoyable, mutually beneficial, and soon to be repeated afternoon. (I feel like I'm not doing the experience justice with that description, but I don't wanna gush too much!)

The initial contact was days after I joined. I believed I'd gotten extremely lucky right out of the gate, and was worried about creating an unrealistic expectation for others, but being able to point them toward this particular post (which gives me an idea for a dressing room thread...) is really helpful.

I think it's great that there are ways to interact here without actually having to interact... lurking sounds so creepy. Maybe browsing...? 🤔 But the point is that this is a forum that many different types can use for whatever works for them and I hope the good experiences keep rollin in!

And those unicorns? They really DO exist!

If more dancers took advantage of the gallery and verification features, as well as linking the TUSCL dancer profile to the club where they work, then I think dancers would see more real-world benefits from TUSCL.

On the customer side, I wish the filters in the Dancer Directory were a bit more developed. But that's a whole other thing.

I also used the dancer directory and linked up with a dancer in my area. It was my first time meeting anyone from these forums. Which was surprising because I was sure I'd meet up with another fellow PL first like Pizza or another Bay Area guy.

I didn't send her any PMs initially because I wanted to see exactly what she looked like first. She only had one picture up and you couldn't tell anything about how she looked besides that she had white looking skin. Anyhow it was cool meeting her and she was a great person but the experience didn't go as well as Spice/SLD or Endless Summer's encounter. Review of that here: tuscl.net

But I think used correctly the dancer directory can definitely help a girl increase her earnings via meetups with silent admirers. Judging just from the 2 meetups we read about in this thread, the meetups were mutually beneficial meaning good money for the dancer. In my meetup I had a good $700 to spend but I wasn't prepared to spend $600 for just a half hour.

If more RI / Southern New England dancers used the DD for more than market research, I'd take advantage of it in a heartbeat.

As far as using this site for meeting, the girls can market themselves. Before I met Nicespice, I PM’d both her and Nicole1994 to see if a friendly meeting was in the cards. I had planned on just making a 10 hr drive for the hell of it, but turned out Nicole was getting a bit questionable in my mind and that made me question an out of my way meeting with either. As the months went by, Nicespice seemed to actually have a good head on her shoulders (not flaky) and she eventually began traveling. She was passing through my direct work travel line in the KS/MO area. So, through PM communications, I gave her thoughts on some clubs to check out. She and I finally decided to meet up at a SC as friends so that we could both check it out; neither of us had been there before. We went as customers, had steak dinner and drinks, got some LDs from the dancers, then went our separate ways until the next morning. She PM’d me and told me that I was welcome to join her at a local Brewery for a tour if I wanted. I was able to arrange my schedule to do so and we (or at least I for sure) had a fun afternoon touring the brewery.

During all of this, there was no expectation on anything other than a friendly meet and greet. Even so, I felt that I should help her with her expenses because the area we were in would not allow her to dance because she had to become an employee vs an independent contractor. So, I did pay for our dinners, drinks, and dances plus I gave her extra $$$ just because. So.... being good company can be a marketable skill for this sight as well. With the right person, the girl can at least have some relaxation time and fulfill a need at the same time. Meeting NICESPICE face to face gave me an entirely different perspective on this TUSCL site.

SLD that's true and I'm not complaining about my end result. The surprise admirer that nicespice had also didn't communicate with her beforehand yet by nicespice's account they also both had a great time.

To be honest all that negotiating in PMs doesn't sound like my thing anyway. Sounds almost too business like. Once again I had no problem just showing up and happening to meet the dancer I saw in the directory, seeing our price points didn't match, then having a great time with someone else instead.

I’ve messaged a few dancers on here who’s locations are in my state. Some have replied back but most don’t. I’m meeting up with one who works in a club about an hour away from me this weekend. I like the fact that she puts some effort into marketing herself here and any smart dancer would do the same. We may try to get the most bang for our buck but most guys here do spend money when they club.

^^^ you are correct about the money spending. I have watched so many PLs in the clubs over the last year and come to realize that the overwhelming majority are club lurkers, not spenders. At least a TUSCLER is their with a purpose and a bankroll that he plans to dump off onto the right prospect.

I ❤ all the ❤ on this thread! And you're all making my point for me exactly... each guy and gal can communicate (or not) in a way that's comfortable for them. I had another experience early on where a random unknown reached out to me regarding my DC club. I thought he meant to come by the club for a drink, but it quickly devolved into an invitation I wasn't comfortable accepting. I was able to politely decline from the comfort of my own phone, and therefore, saved us both a lot of time. And we all know... time is money! 🤑

Ya know, I'd always thought "unicorn" was reserved to describe the fairer sex exclusively. But, I was wrong...I found one of my very own! 🦄

I really appreciate all the great feedback here and I'm definitely doing what I can to spread the word in my little corner of the world...🌞

At SirLapDanceaLot. Excellent point. Plus, if the gal is smart (as I believe Nicespice is), she will know that person’s clubbing history by reviewing the posts/club reviews that he did. So, in essence, she has a fairly good idea of who the PL might be prior to meeting up.

^ nicespice had met with a well-known extras TUSCLer prior to you, he might've been the first TUSCL-PL she met in a club

^ most likely

I think the dancer directory has the potential for what you are describing, nicespice. Whether it will evolve that way or not, I have my doubts in that it hasn’t been moving rapidly in that direction so far.

I don't necessarily think one needs to iron out details prior to meeting a TUSCL dancer at a club - it's like meeting any other dancer at a club, you interact and see how it goes - many extras guys get dances with dancers and just stick to dances if that is her M.O. (they just go as far as the dancer is willing to go)

Might not always be helpful to share a lot of info - for w/e reason nicespice didn't appreciate my complimentary dick-pic and went as far as to say that at least I should have sent something worth her time/interest (I guess she wasn't impressed)

Forget that stripperweb currytwat. I’ll appreciate those pics Papi

😄

"2) Don't be a creepy stalker to her in real life and don't push her for extras or anything beyond just stripping if you do engage her through PMs for the first time. "

This is good advice for every PL with any woman. I enjoy extras but never push for them and respect a dancer's limits. it is entirely possible to enjoy watching a woman dance, enjoy her lap dances and just hanging out with her. My favorite club is a non extras club.

@nicespice, or any other dancer. If you should ever come this way, please let us know. This PL will respect your limits.

^^^ yes there is definitely more dancer activity now. It seems like it went in cycles before. Several dancers would start posting, then the guys hell bent on chasing them off would succeed and it would become a sausage fest again here. Some come and go like Ninabambina. Nicespice has been the first to stand up and keep going consistently through the opposition.

Comment 100 haha

I was looking through some old posts yesterday and came across this dancer

tuscl.net

She posted consistantly for anlong time and eventually told about some trouble she was in. She posted one day ofnher goodbyes because she was going to jail for a while. Never heard of her since.

There are a lot that posted for a month or two then disappeared.

Bj99 was a solid contributor (and funny) but, as is typical, a couple of users went after her pretty hard for whatever reason and I think she moved on.

This is the last thread she participated in before ghosting.

tuscl.net

She fired off a couple of good shots before departing.

Also, I really wish that the gallery feature had been implemented while she was here...

===> "@Papi at first I was skeptical as well at first at the idea—but it does seem the directory has been getting larger. Sure, a good chunk of dancers are no doubt just using the directory to be able to read reviews. But I think there may be a few that are under the radar and around."

I agree with this. Yes there will always be a solid % of dancers who do not want any sort of online connection - dancing is probably the most anonymous remaining form of adult entertainment. But IME the younger generation of girls are becoming much more active in marketing themselves on social media and other websites. I definitely think that this section has a chance to grow, especially if it is cross marketed on the review side and promoted on the home page.

I have reached out to a number of dancers in the directory who might be in my area or where I might be traveling. I normally get responses from those that participate in discussions but from those who don’t not so much.