So as of today I have LDKed 72 times in 2019 with 20 different dancers including a few LDK OTCs. Looks like I will be able to make it into the 100 club by the end of the year!
You know my view, that LDKing is just using money to exacerbate your own sexual frustration.
Lap Dancing had not originally meant LDK service. It was more free form and totally front room. Tended to be titty fondling, sometimes FIV, sometimes DFKing, sometimes FIA. Sometimes it was also front room LDKing.
In the most "off the hook" clubs today, there is sometimes front room DATYing and BJing.
@PaulDrake LOL 100 is a good milestone. With just my ATF DS over the last 3 years I'm gonna low ball my estimate at 200. Over my entire 30 year life as a PL, it's probably over 400.
There have been clubs people have referred to as "off the hook" or "orgy".
One was SF Market St Cinema, and there were discussions of front room DATYing and BJ.
Another people have referred to in that way seems to be this Follies. Never been there.
And then there are others where there is front room FS, either clandestine or on couches in darkened corners.
We had one of our underground clubs going that way right here.
And then innumerable accounts of black clubs where girls jump onto your lap and start licking your neck and nibbling at your ear lobe. I interpret this as defying you to start verbally coming on to her and then making out with her.
And then others have posted that at mixed race dives across the country, all the girls do it that way.
I mean really, anyone who has seriously hit on a girl at a party or a college dance, should be accustomed to such.
Why wasn't I surprised to see SJG as the first poster in the thread?
I'm trying to guess if those 24 LDKs were with a well known poster here, or some other dancer with an account? Either way, it's great to have someone who will reliable take care of you in dances.
Ya and that will be 100 times you wasted money while other mongers get laid. If the excuse is im married time to find another wife. Pl who ldk are why america will never change. Will never understand this. You could be getting her out of the club. No front room makeout session no money simple enough.
I am saying that for a married man to be retaining strippers OTC, or seeing them ITC, it is indeed marital infidelity.
But I do note that he picked the one he wanted and had a FRMOS. That is a huge step forward in terms of common sense and not being a CHUMP.
I just read what he has posted, and I keep my reading within the four corners of his post, as I do with everyone. I do not try to go beyond that or to taunt them about anything in their F2F life beyond their posts.
^ @san_jose_creep here's your own words posted on Sept 17, 2019.
"I cheated on my wife, in Strip Clubs and AMPs. Even going to a strip club and spending time and money there is cheating.
But I have never bragged about it.
I did it because I was dying in the marriage, I was just trying to survive. But I knew it was not a long term workable strategy. And again, I am not trying to justify it.
Eventually I was able to bring legal force to bare and lawfully remove the wife and end the marriage. Doing that is extremely painful. But it had to be done."
LOL san_jose_creep's assumed accusation that PaulDrake is committing marital infidelity because he LDKed OTC is nothing but a deflection defense mechanism for the guilt and trauma he bears for cheating on his own wife with strippers and AMP whores.
LOL his claim he did it for "survival", as if you could die from staying faithful, is another defense mechanism.
I'm a pro-LDK guy and I don't think I've had 72 in my entire SC career. Salute to you, Paul.
Someone above essentially said "why not just go FS"...at least here in South Florida, FS will run you at least 3-4 times as much as an LDK. You can buy new pants the next day and still come out far ahead.
One dancer at Tootsies got mad at me for stringing dances with the intent of LDK because she wanted the money that comes with FS: told me that straight up. We pretty much parted ways after that night - I only look at her because...well, she looks that good - but I respect her hustle and honesty.
^ If getting off with a stripper is like taking a flight somewhere, I've always thought of LDKers as the coach class frequent flyers. And OTC FS being first class or a private charter.
^ LOL strip clubs are fun and just because you were the dumbass mark that expected FS GFE just for entering doesn't mean that others are a dumbass like you.
And who the fuck cares what a stripper years and years ago thought? Why is her opinion of any relevance? If the sexual gratification is accepted by both parties involved, then that is fine and dandy and most definitely not perverted.
And what's perverted to me is a guy that thinks he can form an organization for "pumping loads into women all not long". That's creepy perverted.
AMPs have a better back room then strip clubs. Customer supposed to fully undress, little hooks to hang clothes, usually a chair too.
But strip clubs have the better front room, because being a hang out place, you can fraternize non-committally. And that is the most conducive to building intimate rapport, as epitomized by the FRMOS.
If Paul plays it this way with his girls, he won't have any problems, or he'll only have the opposite kinds of problems, mistresses who want to be more.
SJG, I'll give you one thing: the few times I've allowed LDK to be a primary goal have proven to be problematic. That said, I enjoy the actual dancing: the movement, the grinding. LDK is, the 90-95% of the time I'm in my right mind, at most a bonus - and that's if I even enjoy the dances enough to think about it.
Also, as far as money concern: there's a difference between "having" and "willing to spend".
I don't way things to encourage married men to womanize.
But for a single guy, nothing starts it off right than a FRMOS. Backroom DATY, and backroom FS, really have a huge effect on a girl.
Pretty much any girl who is not seriously attached can be gotten to that way.
There are ways to delay and deflect dance offers. Passing out front room money helps.
Strip clubs are expensive. But so long as you are not using them for regular sexual gratification, you don't need to use them very often. The women you meet there will be plenty enough for seeing outside.
"...the few times I've allowed LDK to be a primary goal have proven to be problematic. That said, I enjoy the actual dancing: the movement, the grinding. LDK is, the 90-95% of the time I'm in my right mind, at most a bonus - and that's if I even enjoy the dances enough to think about it."
@IHearVoices FWIW I think LDKing is an acquired taste. Although I have been doing it since my 20s the #of LDKs I've done only skyrocketed in my 40s. I came to the realization that it became easier with only time and practice and to truly think of it as similar to jacking off. And then once it became easy I realized that I could always leave the club happy and in the afterglow of cumming which is a great way to leave the club - all at the same cost as a visit with just 2-3 dances at the end without the LDK. I also went through a few years where I needed at least 3 songs if not more. Now I see no reason to ever go without LDKing because it's so rare that I won't. Out here in Portland the mileage is never the problem. The only challenge is finding a hot enough stripper.
^ you're forgetting the part about her actually finding you attractive and sexy in real life.
SLD you pretty much won the thread with that comment. From day 1 of reading SJG's bullshit that's the part that always tripped me out the most. Dude talks like all he has to do is pay her in the front room, start a makeout session, then take her in the back and fuck, and then magically she'll be so enthralled by the dude that she's his. Doesn't matter if she find him attractive or not. Or whatever she wants for that matter. I guess that's his ultimate fantasy and why he keeps repeating it over and over. For me it's crazy to believe really thinks like this.
@TFP san_jose_creep must keep up his repetitive mind thoughts in order to sustain them as a defense mechanism. Without him repeating his twisted fantasies over and over in his head and to our pleasure on TUSCL he comes back to his destitute, homeless, and womanless reality.
Also his repetitive disdain for LDKs stem from his poor experiences with it. He used to go to strip clubs expecting to back room sex and instead he only got the normal teases of a private dance and never got any release from it. He got the ultimate blue balls syndrome from getting dances and not getting sex, extras, or LDKs. LOL he was a chump and a mark separated from his money at strip clubs just like he echoes on TUSCL ad nauseum. Also he has ED.
And yeah he's likely completely unattractive to women, so his best interactions with women were by paying AMP whores and hustling strippers. And this is why he feels that he knows how to make them a GF. He really wants them because they have been the only women to ever give him attention.
The reason you think it's crazy that he thinks the way he does is because, in fact, he is bonafide batshit crazy. He's been stuck in his TUSCL repetitive denial since 2014!
@TFP - I used to think the same as you. But then SJG a while back started describing his preferences: women who are overweight, GILFS, and WOC. I think it's great there is a vast variety of beauty in this world and there are guys like him who are into women who are extremely "non-traditionally attractive". But if you come to my home club and seek out someone that fits that description you would find someone who is one step up from a street worker and will fuck anyone for $80. So yeah it makes total sense that if SJG sits down with her and starts slipping her a few $20s she would be open for whatever.
Ultimately it really doesn't matter. SJG is a really sad messed up guy and I feel sorry for him.
Also at this point are we sure countryman is a real person or a troll account SJG made up?
TFP, "actually finding you attractive and sexy in real life"
With most women they do find me so, and I think they find most guys so. Its the persona, and what they think your social position is. Its not just physical looks.
Drake, I like sexy women, but I am not overly concerned about that 1 - 10 scale, and I don't get moralistic about their looks. Its the whole person that I am going to like, not just looks I can brag about.
And most of the time I go for the ones who dress sexy, and usually they are women who most guys would find as way above average.
Again, Kudos to Drake for initiating a FRMOS. That is the most important part of this thread.
I have consistently held, and practiced in real life, the practice that you do not want to engage in any sexual activities with a girl until it is clear that she really does like you, and in some other setting would be more than happy to be going out with you and fucking you for free.
Money is not really the motivation for her to fuck you. It is just customary in P4P venues, and also, that she will be getting money is what allows her to be there. Otherwise who knows, she could be in sensible shoes and working in the finance sector. What a waste!
LMAO the only way to know if money isn't a factor is to completely remove it from the equation. If it's involved with the relationship, then it's likely the reason it exists in the first place no matter how you try to justify it in your head.
It's TUSCL rule number 1 and yet SJG chooses to completely disregard that fact. What do we tell all the noobs who show up on this site for the first time and ask if a dancer is genuinely into him? Remove money from the equation and see how she treats you.
SJG posted: "I have consistently held, and practiced in real life, the practice that you do not want to engage in any sexual activities with a girl until it is clear that she really does like you, and in some other setting would be more than happy to be going out with you and fucking you for free."
Well no wonder you have so much time to make thousands of posts here. No takers yet, eh?
All women cost. Stripclubs cut out the bullshit game. A stripper costs a hk chica costs a stripper costs but you could leave blueballed or worse come in your damn pants. Gf costs money wife costs money. Women need financial security. Sc and tj brothels escorts mps all cut out the bullshit. Now when a man pays to have a wife and a stripper to cum in his pants that is truly the definition of a pl
Yes, all women cost. However, the belief that simply treating any dancer like a civilian will open her up to all your sexual desires is fantastical bullshit. All the HK chicas cost money but not all will be willing to DFK or go out with you, no matter how you treat her. You might find a few, and that's great. All I'm saying it ain't as simple as 'select a girl' like SJG always says.
My experience is that most strippers, AMP girls, and other women in the sex biz are willing to go out with a guy, like me, and with most guys. The exception is if they are seriously attached, or if you ever treat them like a prostitute.
One of my first few visits to a strip club, first time I really tried to talk to one of the girls.
Got her to sit down and let me buy her a drink. Suggested that we might go out some time.
"Sorry, *I* don't go out with customers."
Most of her meaning went right over my head, but I still felt like my honor was being attacked.
I just started talking to her about myself, matter of factually, not a rehearsed pitch. Then instinctively I just wrote my name and home phone number on a cocktail napkin and handed it to her.
Now standing and holding it down at arms length,
"Well okay. You don't understand, I get hit on by 50 guys a night."
Still not really understanding her meaning, but still feeling that my honor was being attacked, I decided to let it roll off and leave before it got worse.
Went home, worked very late the next night. Forgot about the matter. Came home, one message on my old fashioned mechanical answering machine. It was her voice,
"I want to see you!"
Ever since it has always been like that, Strip Clubs, AMPs, just so long as you don't treat them like prostitutes, most of them just melt into my hands, or into any guy's hands, so long as he never acts like money buys them.
SJG why do you keep repeating that one same ass interaction from over a decade ago and using it as though that's how it will go every time??!! It's frustrating!! Even if you had 5 more examples of the same thing happening, it still doesn't prove that EVERY dancer can be had this way, let alone the same. damn. example every time.
Based on the way you mention the same interaction every time this is brought up, I'm willing to bet it is the only time it's ever happened to you. Much unlike your claims of being able to get any dancer to fall to your 'civilian' charms.
@ tfp not all hk chicas will dfk but the ones i ysually spend time with in hk open up because i treat them way better than their used to l. I gave fun with them. You take care of them and thwy will take care of you. I have had chicas leave another monger during a ficha and jump in my lap and dfk because they remembered me from another time. That being said some chicas are all about the hustle and are very cold i usually stay away from them because they are rarely any fun. They are pretty easy to find they are all obout the arriba
@countryman let's get real here. The way you treat them nice has mostly to do with you spending good money on them. I'm sure the chicas love it that you are a gentlemen and talk to them nice and all that. But bottom line, if you're not backing up that gentlemen treatment with good money they wouldn't even hop out of jerk's lap to sit in yours, especially if he's spending more than you. That's just reality.
That said I also take care of the chicas who take care of me with good tips. I don't call it being a gentlemen, I simply call it earned payment.
TFP, that old narrative was where I first learned. It checks out time and time again.
So long as they don't feel that you are treating them as a prostitute, or like a vending machine, they are almost always very available!!!
This girl listened to me talk about myself and realized that I was not trying to buy her or otherwise make her my hooker, and she became apologetic in tone and switched to total GREEN LIGHT!
Am I throwing pearls before swine, seems that way.
@SJG I call bullshit, plain and simple. You cite one example because it is the only example. If there were more you would have used another at least once for the last two years. Instead, it's that same shit that probably didn't even happen in this century.
At least countryman is somewhat realistic in his observations. You on the other hand spout off pure fantasy and fuckery. Talking about organizations and all other types of other deranged psycho shit.
I mean I've been here two years now and I've seen enough of your song and dance to know the deal. But to think you've been at this shit for going on 6 years now is mind-blowing.
cristobal. i agree. I am not looking for a long-term relationship with one woman. that's too much like marriage. been down that road . I prefer a nice short term relationship.
@Cristobal then according to SJG you are a chump, treating the girls like sex vending machines and fembots, and......all the other shit he repeatedly spouts off about.
LOL san_jose_creep FYI those swine you throw pearls at continually have loads of fun losing loads of course cum to hot strippers while you throw your pearls from 1990.
as to LDK... my count stands at ONE. and that happened at my very first lap dance. she knew how to grind (i guess.) over twenty years ago during my first experience of strippers. i probably spent a total of $200 over a few months of stripclubing. eye opening first level education. and still didn't even know about 'extras' until over 15 years later. thousands of lap dances later and still no second LDK.
...and LMAO you have ZERO closure with your AMP whores outside of you creeping them out. They tell you that Aunt Flo is visiting all the time so that they can get out of having sex with your creepy ass! They also avoid your requests to email with them. And finally they claim to stop working at the AMPs so that they can get away from you! Why? Because YOU ARE A CREEP! Even AMP whores want nothing to do with you, LOL by your own account!
^ there's so many future tense references to future GFE throughout that thread but NO ACTUAL OTC ENCOUNTERS. To quote san_jose_creep...
"I say these three Vietnamese are proto girl friends, because of how they are talking to me and how they are with me in the session rooms. But they are still only protos as I am not yet seeing them offsite."
"And then as I will likely be getting the girl unclocked and offsite, what ends up happening will probably be phenomenal."
"Especially given that T. now had experienced how much I like to kiss pretty girls, and how good I am at it, thank you, and how good I am at steering the emotional dynamics so that it happens, thank you, she probably would have put the word in for me with the slutty dressed girl. It could have been great."
"Eventually I will be walking in, making the best session that I can happen, and then directly trying to get them offsite and off the clock, like talking them out to eat that very night."
"Eventually I will be converting all of these girls that I can keep in my sphere into real girl friends. But not now. So I am not auditioning. But she is not extending herself further emotionally."
"Later they will all be offered instant upgrade to real girl friend status, that night, when the shop closes."
"So soon, I will have a rotating cast of lovelies keeping me warm at night. But just not yet."
^^^ LMAO so much future tense of GFEs to come, but...NOTHING in the end!!!
@SLD he talks like that about everything. In his future travels, in his future organization, everything is in the future.
I'm just speculating about his private life now (which I'm sure will earn a post 2pm Pacific time post about his privacy wall). But I think he's institutionalized somewhere where his allowed internet time is after 2pm everyday. Which is why we don't see him ever post any time before then. And why he physically can't go anywhere right now.
@Cristobal same. I just think it's funny that the 'chumps' are the ones getting the real life experience with dancers. While he, the self proclaimed womanizer, has no recent accounts of his own to recall, and can only talk about his 'future' travels.
@TFP I'm fairly confident that san_jose_creep is homeless in San Jose and he goes to the public library for the free internet access at a usual time.
He's a broke ass creep on a bike riding past strip clubs and AMPs that he can no longer go to. He ran out of money and/or he got himself banned. He looks on with envy, fantasizing but never actualizing GFEs with women he can never have without paying. He lost his wife and he has ED.
But by golly he's still got dreams of that organization. And he's got us as his TUSCL support system.
Yeah I'm a pathetic keyboard monger now just like san_jose_creep. I might be able to pull off a go on my birthday trip or on a random night out partying with my wife.
But unlike him I'm here to support my fellow LDK mongers and anyone having fun on this site and with strippers in real life.
@Cristobal what SLD posted is my main gripe about SJG. You said we all monger differently, which is true. Yet only one person here feels the need to say only his way is correct and anything else is wrong. It's been my main gripe about him since day 1 on these forums. It's even more frustrating when he constantly tells everyone they're having fun wrong, yet hasn't had any experiences of his own in over a decade. Like, really dude?!
@TFP to deviate from san_jose_creep's one track fantasy is to bring him back to the reasons he's homeless and destitute in the first place. The reason he calls buying lap dances for what they are a 'chump's game' is because he, in fact, was that chump that thought he was going to get FS ITC as part of it. And he ended up blowing A LOT of money on it. And this ultimately led to his divorce and now homeless life. So when he reads about guys that are perfectly fine with buying lapdances and possibly LDKing it triggers the trauma it caused him and he goes on his rant about it. He can't help it. It's an automatic response.
TFP and Cristobal, neither of you seems to be able to post without using my name. Trying to hide behind an imbecile I have on ignore is not going to help you.
My f2f life is private. I am not a professional PL.
^ LMAO I called it. That privacy wall is nothing but a glorified wall of denial.
@san_jose_creep LOL just because you have me on ignore doesn't mean that others aren't free to reply to me. LOL that you think your ignore even matters.
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Have you kept a journal?
You know my view, that LDKing is just using money to exacerbate your own sexual frustration.
Lap Dancing had not originally meant LDK service. It was more free form and totally front room. Tended to be titty fondling, sometimes FIV, sometimes DFKing, sometimes FIA. Sometimes it was also front room LDKing.
In the most "off the hook" clubs today, there is sometimes front room DATYing and BJing.
Sometimes some front room FS too.
SJG
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Over my entire 30 year life as a PL, it's probably over 400.
One was SF Market St Cinema, and there were discussions of front room DATYing and BJ.
Another people have referred to in that way seems to be this Follies. Never been there.
And then there are others where there is front room FS, either clandestine or on couches in darkened corners.
We had one of our underground clubs going that way right here.
And then innumerable accounts of black clubs where girls jump onto your lap and start licking your neck and nibbling at your ear lobe. I interpret this as defying you to start verbally coming on to her and then making out with her.
And then others have posted that at mixed race dives across the country, all the girls do it that way.
I mean really, anyone who has seriously hit on a girl at a party or a college dance, should be accustomed to such.
SJG
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SJG
Don't get me wrong - this is amazing - but.....I do not have the mathematics for this.
WHY, you soggy Hanes' wearing bastard - why!?!?!
, much less LDK
Why wasn't I surprised to see SJG as the first poster in the thread?
I'm trying to guess if those 24 LDKs were with a well known poster here, or some other dancer with an account? Either way, it's great to have someone who will reliable take care of you in dances.
This is like when Mantle and Maris were knocking homers out years ago. It’s setting the bar for the next LDK to come!
I once thought about and even set up an OTC LDK but I chickened out and cancelled. I know my personality and I would like it too much.
100 times in 365 days would be a .274 batting average.
So, you're not quite there yet. Keep your eyes on the balls and wait for a good pitch.
Pretty good season so far 😉😋
(Something tells me I'm not the only one who keeps a spreadsheet) 🙂
As far as whether Paul wants to go beyond LDKing to FS, I don't feel any need to comment on that. I am not really promoting marital infidelity.
Now what he is already doing is marital infidelity. But I am not promoting escalation. I am just promoting some common sense in strip clubs.
SJG
But I do note that he picked the one he wanted and had a FRMOS. That is a huge step forward in terms of common sense and not being a CHUMP.
I just read what he has posted, and I keep my reading within the four corners of his post, as I do with everyone. I do not try to go beyond that or to taunt them about anything in their F2F life beyond their posts.
SJG
"I cheated on my wife, in Strip Clubs and AMPs. Even going to a strip club and spending time and money there is cheating.
But I have never bragged about it.
I did it because I was dying in the marriage, I was just trying to survive. But I knew it was not a long term workable strategy. And again, I am not trying to justify it.
Eventually I was able to bring legal force to bare and lawfully remove the wife and end the marriage. Doing that is extremely painful. But it had to be done."
^ It was in this thread: https://www.tuscl.net/discussion.php?id=…
So LOL FYI TFP is staying inside the four corners of your own TUSCL posts, HYPOCRITE!
LOL his claim he did it for "survival", as if you could die from staying faithful, is another defense mechanism.
My number for ldk is 1.
I could only LDK one time, no matter what I did or what she tried.
Someone above essentially said "why not just go FS"...at least here in South Florida, FS will run you at least 3-4 times as much as an LDK. You can buy new pants the next day and still come out far ahead.
One dancer at Tootsies got mad at me for stringing dances with the intent of LDK because she wanted the money that comes with FS: told me that straight up. We pretty much parted ways after that night - I only look at her because...well, she looks that good - but I respect her hustle and honesty.
Go get those other 28, Paul.
I mean if you really are money concerned, you do always have your own hand.
SJG
I agree. You can meet a new girl there. You can imbibe the dolling up and high heels aesthetic. And you can enjoy the physical openness.
But very few people can do a large amount of strip club FS. And even if one could, it is not a substitute for an ongoing regular relationship.
Strip clubs are fine tuned well oiled machines for separating marks from their money.
SJG
And who the fuck cares what a stripper years and years ago thought? Why is her opinion of any relevance? If the sexual gratification is accepted by both parties involved, then that is fine and dandy and most definitely not perverted.
And what's perverted to me is a guy that thinks he can form an organization for "pumping loads into women all not long". That's creepy perverted.
If you can't do anything better, then DATYing dancers has always gone over very well for me.
But, I have to acknowledge PaulDrake for seeing for himself how well FRMOSs work.
SJG
But strip clubs have the better front room, because being a hang out place, you can fraternize non-committally. And that is the most conducive to building intimate rapport, as epitomized by the FRMOS.
If Paul plays it this way with his girls, he won't have any problems, or he'll only have the opposite kinds of problems, mistresses who want to be more.
SJG
Also, as far as money concern: there's a difference between "having" and "willing to spend".
I don't way things to encourage married men to womanize.
But for a single guy, nothing starts it off right than a FRMOS. Backroom DATY, and backroom FS, really have a huge effect on a girl.
Pretty much any girl who is not seriously attached can be gotten to that way.
There are ways to delay and deflect dance offers. Passing out front room money helps.
Strip clubs are expensive. But so long as you are not using them for regular sexual gratification, you don't need to use them very often. The women you meet there will be plenty enough for seeing outside.
SJG
^ you're forgetting the part about her actually finding you attractive and sexy in real life.
@IHearVoices FWIW I think LDKing is an acquired taste. Although I have been doing it since my 20s the #of LDKs I've done only skyrocketed in my 40s. I came to the realization that it became easier with only time and practice and to truly think of it as similar to jacking off. And then once it became easy I realized that I could always leave the club happy and in the afterglow of cumming which is a great way to leave the club - all at the same cost as a visit with just 2-3 dances at the end without the LDK. I also went through a few years where I needed at least 3 songs if not more. Now I see no reason to ever go without LDKing because it's so rare that I won't. Out here in Portland the mileage is never the problem. The only challenge is finding a hot enough stripper.
SLD you pretty much won the thread with that comment. From day 1 of reading SJG's bullshit that's the part that always tripped me out the most. Dude talks like all he has to do is pay her in the front room, start a makeout session, then take her in the back and fuck, and then magically she'll be so enthralled by the dude that she's his. Doesn't matter if she find him attractive or not. Or whatever she wants for that matter. I guess that's his ultimate fantasy and why he keeps repeating it over and over. For me it's crazy to believe really thinks like this.
Also his repetitive disdain for LDKs stem from his poor experiences with it. He used to go to strip clubs expecting to back room sex and instead he only got the normal teases of a private dance and never got any release from it. He got the ultimate blue balls syndrome from getting dances and not getting sex, extras, or LDKs. LOL he was a chump and a mark separated from his money at strip clubs just like he echoes on TUSCL ad nauseum. Also he has ED.
And yeah he's likely completely unattractive to women, so his best interactions with women were by paying AMP whores and hustling strippers. And this is why he feels that he knows how to make them a GF. He really wants them because they have been the only women to ever give him attention.
The reason you think it's crazy that he thinks the way he does is because, in fact, he is bonafide batshit crazy. He's been stuck in his TUSCL repetitive denial since 2014!
Ultimately it really doesn't matter. SJG is a really sad messed up guy and I feel sorry for him.
Also at this point are we sure countryman is a real person or a troll account SJG made up?
With most women they do find me so, and I think they find most guys so. Its the persona, and what they think your social position is. Its not just physical looks.
Drake, I like sexy women, but I am not overly concerned about that 1 - 10 scale, and I don't get moralistic about their looks. Its the whole person that I am going to like, not just looks I can brag about.
And most of the time I go for the ones who dress sexy, and usually they are women who most guys would find as way above average.
Again, Kudos to Drake for initiating a FRMOS. That is the most important part of this thread.
SJG
Money is not really the motivation for her to fuck you. It is just customary in P4P venues, and also, that she will be getting money is what allows her to be there. Otherwise who knows, she could be in sensible shoes and working in the finance sector. What a waste!
SJG
It's TUSCL rule number 1 and yet SJG chooses to completely disregard that fact. What do we tell all the noobs who show up on this site for the first time and ask if a dancer is genuinely into him? Remove money from the equation and see how she treats you.
SJG posted: "I have consistently held, and practiced in real life, the practice that you do not want to engage in any sexual activities with a girl until it is clear that she really does like you, and in some other setting would be more than happy to be going out with you and fucking you for free."
Well no wonder you have so much time to make thousands of posts here. No takers yet, eh?
It all depends on how you do it, and on how you are treating her.
You see a pretty girl at starbucks, you can't just run up to her and start shoving money into her cleavage.
But in a strip club you can! That is the benefit of strip clubs, a plus, not a minus.
The difference is, is she your P4P, or is she your candidate GF. All depends on how you are talking to her.
SJG
SJG
I met Countryman twice at HK, he is a pretty cool guy who likes to treat his chicas like queens.
My experience with women everywhere is that such treatment goes a long way and gets fantastic results.
Whereas treating them like they are bought by money always has a negative effect.
The first way gets mind blowing GFE and the girl calling you on the telephone.
The second way gets mechanical services being performed for money. Likely to hear the words "I don't kiss" or "sorry I don't go out with customers".
SJG
King Crimson
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Xd0q0rK…
One of my first few visits to a strip club, first time I really tried to talk to one of the girls.
Got her to sit down and let me buy her a drink. Suggested that we might go out some time.
"Sorry, *I* don't go out with customers."
Most of her meaning went right over my head, but I still felt like my honor was being attacked.
I just started talking to her about myself, matter of factually, not a rehearsed pitch. Then instinctively I just wrote my name and home phone number on a cocktail napkin and handed it to her.
Now standing and holding it down at arms length,
"Well okay. You don't understand, I get hit on by 50 guys a night."
Still not really understanding her meaning, but still feeling that my honor was being attacked, I decided to let it roll off and leave before it got worse.
Went home, worked very late the next night. Forgot about the matter. Came home, one message on my old fashioned mechanical answering machine. It was her voice,
"I want to see you!"
Ever since it has always been like that, Strip Clubs, AMPs, just so long as you don't treat them like prostitutes, most of them just melt into my hands, or into any guy's hands, so long as he never acts like money buys them.
SJG
King Crimson
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Xd0q0rK…
Based on the way you mention the same interaction every time this is brought up, I'm willing to bet it is the only time it's ever happened to you. Much unlike your claims of being able to get any dancer to fall to your 'civilian' charms.
That said I also take care of the chicas who take care of me with good tips. I don't call it being a gentlemen, I simply call it earned payment.
So long as they don't feel that you are treating them as a prostitute, or like a vending machine, they are almost always very available!!!
This girl listened to me talk about myself and realized that I was not trying to buy her or otherwise make her my hooker, and she became apologetic in tone and switched to total GREEN LIGHT!
Am I throwing pearls before swine, seems that way.
SJG
That omission of fact checks out time and again.
At least countryman is somewhat realistic in his observations. You on the other hand spout off pure fantasy and fuckery. Talking about organizations and all other types of other deranged psycho shit.
I mean I've been here two years now and I've seen enough of your song and dance to know the deal. But to think you've been at this shit for going on 6 years now is mind-blowing.
However, I applaud him for being resolute in trying to find those types of experiences.
I will say, it is not for me.
I try to treat each women with respect but I am not looking to wake up with her in the morning, not my thing.
@san_jose_creep here's a thread of yours with AMP whores and you trying to kiss them and treat them "civilian" in your own creepy way...
https://www.tuscl.net/discussion.php?id=…
...and LMAO you have ZERO closure with your AMP whores outside of you creeping them out. They tell you that Aunt Flo is visiting all the time so that they can get out of having sex with your creepy ass! They also avoid your requests to email with them. And finally they claim to stop working at the AMPs so that they can get away from you! Why? Because YOU ARE A CREEP! Even AMP whores want nothing to do with you, LOL by your own account!
"I say these three Vietnamese are proto girl friends, because of how they are talking to me and how they are with me in the session rooms. But they are still only protos as I am not yet seeing them offsite."
"And then as I will likely be getting the girl unclocked and offsite, what ends up happening will probably be phenomenal."
"Especially given that T. now had experienced how much I like to kiss pretty girls, and how good I am at it, thank you, and how good I am at steering the emotional dynamics so that it happens, thank you, she probably would have put the word in for me with the slutty dressed girl. It could have been great."
"Eventually I will be walking in, making the best session that I can happen, and then directly trying to get them offsite and off the clock, like talking them out to eat that very night."
"Eventually I will be converting all of these girls that I can keep in my sphere into real girl friends. But not now. So I am not auditioning. But she is not extending herself further emotionally."
"Later they will all be offered instant upgrade to real girl friend status, that night, when the shop closes."
"So soon, I will have a rotating cast of lovelies keeping me warm at night. But just not yet."
^^^ LMAO so much future tense of GFEs to come, but...NOTHING in the end!!!
I'm just speculating about his private life now (which I'm sure will earn a post 2pm Pacific time post about his privacy wall). But I think he's institutionalized somewhere where his allowed internet time is after 2pm everyday. Which is why we don't see him ever post any time before then. And why he physically can't go anywhere right now.
This chump is having a great time.
He's a broke ass creep on a bike riding past strip clubs and AMPs that he can no longer go to. He ran out of money and/or he got himself banned. He looks on with envy, fantasizing but never actualizing GFEs with women he can never have without paying. He lost his wife and he has ED.
But by golly he's still got dreams of that organization. And he's got us as his TUSCL support system.
We all monger, I prefer to do it in real life, others do it vía their keyboard, to each their own.
But unlike him I'm here to support my fellow LDK mongers and anyone having fun on this site and with strippers in real life.
My f2f life is private. I am not a professional PL.
SJG
@san_jose_creep LOL just because you have me on ignore doesn't mean that others aren't free to reply to me. LOL that you think your ignore even matters.
Sometimes girls will lead with DFKing. But I am kind of imagining that Paul steered it this way himself.
Shouldn't have an difficulties with strip club women from here on out.
SJG