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24 of those LDKs were with one dancer in particular (who actually has an account here).

Have you thought about a commemoration badge?

Have you kept a journal?

You know my view, that LDKing is just using money to exacerbate your own sexual frustration.

Lap Dancing had not originally meant LDK service. It was more free form and totally front room. Tended to be titty fondling, sometimes FIV, sometimes DFKing, sometimes FIA. Sometimes it was also front room LDKing.

In the most "off the hook" clubs today, there is sometimes front room DATYing and BJing.

Sometimes some front room FS too.

SJG

Anyone who has any interest in strip clubs should read this, deals with the history, including the legal aspects.

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SJG

I'm guessing SJG's 'off the hook' club is the local crack den

There have been clubs people have referred to as "off the hook" or "orgy".

One was SF Market St Cinema, and there were discussions of front room DATYing and BJ.

Another people have referred to in that way seems to be this Follies. Never been there.

And then there are others where there is front room FS, either clandestine or on couches in darkened corners.

We had one of our underground clubs going that way right here.

And then innumerable accounts of black clubs where girls jump onto your lap and start licking your neck and nibbling at your ear lobe. I interpret this as defying you to start verbally coming on to her and then making out with her.

And then others have posted that at mixed race dives across the country, all the girls do it that way.

I mean really, anyone who has seriously hit on a girl at a party or a college dance, should be accustomed to such.

SJG

An idea for a badge:

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SJG

How in the world is an LDK counter good?

Don't get me wrong - this is amazing - but.....I do not have the mathematics for this.

WHY, you soggy Hanes' wearing bastard - why!?!?!

I can’t even get rock hard during a lap dance , much less LDK

Good shit Paul!

Why wasn't I surprised to see SJG as the first poster in the thread?

I'm trying to guess if those 24 LDKs were with a well known poster here, or some other dancer with an account? Either way, it's great to have someone who will reliable take care of you in dances.

Nah she doesn't post here.

I did follow SJGs advice. I made out with a girl in the front room and then started seeing her outside the club.... for some sweet LDK OTCs.

LMAO!

Wow! Impressive work this year.

This is like when Mantle and Maris were knocking homers out years ago. It’s setting the bar for the next LDK to come!

Ya and that will be 100 times you wasted money while other mongers get laid. If the excuse is im married time to find another wife. Pl who ldk are why america will never change. Will never understand this. You could be getting her out of the club. No front room makeout session no money simple enough.

72 times in 268 days, wow, that's a .269 batting average.

100 times in 365 days would be a .274 batting average.

So, you're not quite there yet. Keep your eyes on the balls and wait for a good pitch.

Pretty good season so far 😉😋

(Something tells me I'm not the only one who keeps a spreadsheet) 🙂

FRMOS, and then seeing the girl outside, that is still a huge improvement over just letting her sell you dances.

As far as whether Paul wants to go beyond LDKing to FS, I don't feel any need to comment on that. I am not really promoting marital infidelity.

Now what he is already doing is marital infidelity. But I am not promoting escalation. I am just promoting some common sense in strip clubs.

SJG

You should take your own advice, SJG. You don't know shit about PaulDrake so stop assuming you do.

I am saying that for a married man to be retaining strippers OTC, or seeing them ITC, it is indeed marital infidelity.

But I do note that he picked the one he wanted and had a FRMOS. That is a huge step forward in terms of common sense and not being a CHUMP.

I just read what he has posted, and I keep my reading within the four corners of his post, as I do with everyone. I do not try to go beyond that or to taunt them about anything in their F2F life beyond their posts.

SJG

Everyone has fun their own way for their own reasons.

My number for ldk is 1.

I could only LDK one time, no matter what I did or what she tried.

I'm a pro-LDK guy and I don't think I've had 72 in my entire SC career. Salute to you, Paul.

Someone above essentially said "why not just go FS"...at least here in South Florida, FS will run you at least 3-4 times as much as an LDK. You can buy new pants the next day and still come out far ahead.

One dancer at Tootsies got mad at me for stringing dances with the intent of LDK because she wanted the money that comes with FS: told me that straight up. We pretty much parted ways after that night - I only look at her because...well, she looks that good - but I respect her hustle and honesty.

Go get those other 28, Paul.

^^^^^ IHearVoices, if a single guy is concerned about costs, he can probably start seeing a girl outside and essentially civilianizer her.

I mean if you really are money concerned, you do always have your own hand.

SJG

Years and years ago a stripper, LDK shop experienced told me, "Don't use strip clubs for sexual gratification, that's perverted."

I agree. You can meet a new girl there. You can imbibe the dolling up and high heels aesthetic. And you can enjoy the physical openness.

But very few people can do a large amount of strip club FS. And even if one could, it is not a substitute for an ongoing regular relationship.

Strip clubs are fine tuned well oiled machines for separating marks from their money.

SJG

Cum in pwants is dwum. I never cum in pwants...nor wear pants! No won can make me dwo anything!!

LDKing in a strip club is just paying money to exacerbate your own sexual frustration. Stupid.

If you can't do anything better, then DATYing dancers has always gone over very well for me.

But, I have to acknowledge PaulDrake for seeing for himself how well FRMOSs work.

SJG

Wearing pants anywear is just paying money to exacwoobate yew sexy-wool frustration. Stewpid! Ruff! Ruff! Growl!

AMPs have a better back room then strip clubs. Customer supposed to fully undress, little hooks to hang clothes, usually a chair too.

But strip clubs have the better front room, because being a hang out place, you can fraternize non-committally. And that is the most conducive to building intimate rapport, as epitomized by the FRMOS.

If Paul plays it this way with his girls, he won't have any problems, or he'll only have the opposite kinds of problems, mistresses who want to be more.

SJG

SJG, I'll give you one thing: the few times I've allowed LDK to be a primary goal have proven to be problematic. That said, I enjoy the actual dancing: the movement, the grinding. LDK is, the 90-95% of the time I'm in my right mind, at most a bonus - and that's if I even enjoy the dances enough to think about it.

Also, as far as money concern: there's a difference between "having" and "willing to spend".

^^^^^^^ Makes perfect sense.

I don't way things to encourage married men to womanize.

But for a single guy, nothing starts it off right than a FRMOS. Backroom DATY, and backroom FS, really have a huge effect on a girl.

Pretty much any girl who is not seriously attached can be gotten to that way.

There are ways to delay and deflect dance offers. Passing out front room money helps.

Strip clubs are expensive. But so long as you are not using them for regular sexual gratification, you don't need to use them very often. The women you meet there will be plenty enough for seeing outside.

SJG

^ you're forgetting the part about her actually finding you attractive and sexy in real life.

SLD you pretty much won the thread with that comment. From day 1 of reading SJG's bullshit that's the part that always tripped me out the most. Dude talks like all he has to do is pay her in the front room, start a makeout session, then take her in the back and fuck, and then magically she'll be so enthralled by the dude that she's his. Doesn't matter if she find him attractive or not. Or whatever she wants for that matter. I guess that's his ultimate fantasy and why he keeps repeating it over and over. For me it's crazy to believe really thinks like this.

@TFP - I used to think the same as you. But then SJG a while back started describing his preferences: women who are overweight, GILFS, and WOC. I think it's great there is a vast variety of beauty in this world and there are guys like him who are into women who are extremely "non-traditionally attractive". But if you come to my home club and seek out someone that fits that description you would find someone who is one step up from a street worker and will fuck anyone for $80. So yeah it makes total sense that if SJG sits down with her and starts slipping her a few $20s she would be open for whatever.

Ultimately it really doesn't matter. SJG is a really sad messed up guy and I feel sorry for him.

Also at this point are we sure countryman is a real person or a troll account SJG made up?

TFP, "actually finding you attractive and sexy in real life"

With most women they do find me so, and I think they find most guys so. Its the persona, and what they think your social position is. Its not just physical looks.

Drake, I like sexy women, but I am not overly concerned about that 1 - 10 scale, and I don't get moralistic about their looks. Its the whole person that I am going to like, not just looks I can brag about.

And most of the time I go for the ones who dress sexy, and usually they are women who most guys would find as way above average.

Again, Kudos to Drake for initiating a FRMOS. That is the most important part of this thread.

SJG

I have consistently held, and practiced in real life, the practice that you do not want to engage in any sexual activities with a girl until it is clear that she really does like you, and in some other setting would be more than happy to be going out with you and fucking you for free.

Money is not really the motivation for her to fuck you. It is just customary in P4P venues, and also, that she will be getting money is what allows her to be there. Otherwise who knows, she could be in sensible shoes and working in the finance sector. What a waste!

SJG

^^^^^Bingo.

It's TUSCL rule number 1 and yet SJG chooses to completely disregard that fact. What do we tell all the noobs who show up on this site for the first time and ask if a dancer is genuinely into him? Remove money from the equation and see how she treats you.

SJG posted: "I have consistently held, and practiced in real life, the practice that you do not want to engage in any sexual activities with a girl until it is clear that she really does like you, and in some other setting would be more than happy to be going out with you and fucking you for free."

Well no wonder you have so much time to make thousands of posts here. No takers yet, eh?

Hey, wives get money, GF's of rich guys get money. In most other countries well off guys keep mistresses and they get money.

It all depends on how you do it, and on how you are treating her.

You see a pretty girl at starbucks, you can't just run up to her and start shoving money into her cleavage.

But in a strip club you can! That is the benefit of strip clubs, a plus, not a minus.

The difference is, is she your P4P, or is she your candidate GF. All depends on how you are talking to her.

SJG

All women cost. Stripclubs cut out the bullshit game. A stripper costs a hk chica costs a stripper costs but you could leave blueballed or worse come in your damn pants. Gf costs money wife costs money. Women need financial security. Sc and tj brothels escorts mps all cut out the bullshit. Now when a man pays to have a wife and a stripper to cum in his pants that is truly the definition of a pl

^^^^^^ You mean 10 ldk's for the whole year, 2019 to date?

SJG

@pauldrake

I met Countryman twice at HK, he is a pretty cool guy who likes to treat his chicas like queens.

"likes to treat his chicas like queens"

My experience with women everywhere is that such treatment goes a long way and gets fantastic results.

Whereas treating them like they are bought by money always has a negative effect.

The first way gets mind blowing GFE and the girl calling you on the telephone.

The second way gets mechanical services being performed for money. Likely to hear the words "I don't kiss" or "sorry I don't go out with customers".

SJG

King Crimson youtube.com

Yes, all women cost. However, the belief that simply treating any dancer like a civilian will open her up to all your sexual desires is fantastical bullshit. All the HK chicas cost money but not all will be willing to DFK or go out with you, no matter how you treat her. You might find a few, and that's great. All I'm saying it ain't as simple as 'select a girl' like SJG always says.

My experience is that most strippers, AMP girls, and other women in the sex biz are willing to go out with a guy, like me, and with most guys. The exception is if they are seriously attached, or if you ever treat them like a prostitute.

One of my first few visits to a strip club, first time I really tried to talk to one of the girls.

Got her to sit down and let me buy her a drink. Suggested that we might go out some time.

"Sorry, I don't go out with customers."

Most of her meaning went right over my head, but I still felt like my honor was being attacked.

I just started talking to her about myself, matter of factually, not a rehearsed pitch. Then instinctively I just wrote my name and home phone number on a cocktail napkin and handed it to her.

Now standing and holding it down at arms length,

"Well okay. You don't understand, I get hit on by 50 guys a night."

Still not really understanding her meaning, but still feeling that my honor was being attacked, I decided to let it roll off and leave before it got worse.

Went home, worked very late the next night. Forgot about the matter. Came home, one message on my old fashioned mechanical answering machine. It was her voice,

"I want to see you!"

Ever since it has always been like that, Strip Clubs, AMPs, just so long as you don't treat them like prostitutes, most of them just melt into my hands, or into any guy's hands, so long as he never acts like money buys them.

SJG

King Crimson youtube.com

SJG why do you keep repeating that one same ass interaction from over a decade ago and using it as though that's how it will go every time??!! It's frustrating!! Even if you had 5 more examples of the same thing happening, it still doesn't prove that EVERY dancer can be had this way, let alone the same. damn. example every time.

Based on the way you mention the same interaction every time this is brought up, I'm willing to bet it is the only time it's ever happened to you. Much unlike your claims of being able to get any dancer to fall to your 'civilian' charms.

@ tfp not all hk chicas will dfk but the ones i ysually spend time with in hk open up because i treat them way better than their used to l. I gave fun with them. You take care of them and thwy will take care of you. I have had chicas leave another monger during a ficha and jump in my lap and dfk because they remembered me from another time. That being said some chicas are all about the hustle and are very cold i usually stay away from them because they are rarely any fun. They are pretty easy to find they are all obout the arriba

@ paul drake yep im real lol

@countryman let's get real here. The way you treat them nice has mostly to do with you spending good money on them. I'm sure the chicas love it that you are a gentlemen and talk to them nice and all that. But bottom line, if you're not backing up that gentlemen treatment with good money they wouldn't even hop out of jerk's lap to sit in yours, especially if he's spending more than you. That's just reality.

That said I also take care of the chicas who take care of me with good tips. I don't call it being a gentlemen, I simply call it earned payment.

TFP, that old narrative was where I first learned. It checks out time and time again.

So long as they don't feel that you are treating them as a prostitute, or like a vending machine, they are almost always very available!!!

This girl listened to me talk about myself and realized that I was not trying to buy her or otherwise make her my hooker, and she became apologetic in tone and switched to total GREEN LIGHT!

Am I throwing pearls before swine, seems that way.

SJG

@SJG I call bullshit, plain and simple. You cite one example because it is the only example. If there were more you would have used another at least once for the last two years. Instead, it's that same shit that probably didn't even happen in this century.

At least countryman is somewhat realistic in his observations. You on the other hand spout off pure fantasy and fuckery. Talking about organizations and all other types of other deranged psycho shit.

I mean I've been here two years now and I've seen enough of your song and dance to know the deal. But to think you've been at this shit for going on 6 years now is mind-blowing.

@san_jose_guy has a good idea, unfortunately it is very outdated in today's environment, things are constantly changing.

However, I applaud him for being resolute in trying to find those types of experiences.

I will say, it is not for me.

I try to treat each women with respect but I am not looking to wake up with her in the morning, not my thing.

cristobal. i agree. I am not looking for a long-term relationship with one woman. that's too much like marriage. been down that road . I prefer a nice short term relationship.

@Cristobal then according to SJG you are a chump, treating the girls like sex vending machines and fembots, and......all the other shit he repeatedly spouts off about.

as to LDK... my count stands at ONE. and that happened at my very first lap dance. she knew how to grind (i guess.) over twenty years ago during my first experience of strippers. i probably spent a total of $200 over a few months of stripclubing. eye opening first level education. and still didn't even know about 'extras' until over 15 years later. thousands of lap dances later and still no second LDK.

@SLD he talks like that about everything. In his future travels, in his future organization, everything is in the future.

I'm just speculating about his private life now (which I'm sure will earn a post 2pm Pacific time post about his privacy wall). But I think he's institutionalized somewhere where his allowed internet time is after 2pm everyday. Which is why we don't see him ever post any time before then. And why he physically can't go anywhere right now.

100? Shit man you're almost there. Keep your eyes on the prize.

@TFP

This chump is having a great time.

@Cristobal same. I just think it's funny that the 'chumps' are the ones getting the real life experience with dancers. While he, the self proclaimed womanizer, has no recent accounts of his own to recall, and can only talk about his 'future' travels.

Good work!

@tfp

We all monger, I prefer to do it in real life, others do it vía their keyboard, to each their own.

@Cristobal what SLD posted is my main gripe about SJG. You said we all monger differently, which is true. Yet only one person here feels the need to say only his way is correct and anything else is wrong. It's been my main gripe about him since day 1 on these forums. It's even more frustrating when he constantly tells everyone they're having fun wrong, yet hasn't had any experiences of his own in over a decade. Like, really dude?!

TFP and Cristobal, neither of you seems to be able to post without using my name. Trying to hide behind an imbecile I have on ignore is not going to help you.

My f2f life is private. I am not a professional PL.

SJG

^^^ Whatever Lloyd Schoene

Congratulations to PaulDrake on his FRMOS.

Sometimes girls will lead with DFKing. But I am kind of imagining that Paul steered it this way himself.

Shouldn't have an difficulties with strip club women from here on out.

SJG