How "female" is your profession?
skibum609
Massachusetts
I am a divorce lawyer. While the legal profession is majority male, the divorce bar from Judges all the way down to session clerks is overwhelmingly female. 2/3 of judges; 2/3 of reigistrars; 65% of probation officers; 2/3 of session clerks and 75% of all practiitioners, but over 90% of practiotioners under 35. Howz bout you? Do any of you deal with women continuously as a minority? How about a right wing; republican; misogynist; dealing with progressive women in the people's republic 24/7 and living to tell about it?
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1) https://www.bestlawyers.com/article/wome…
2) another webstite reported that among lawyers, 44% were female.not too far frok 50.
SJG
The women that you work with probably think of you as a cranky, harmless, relic from a bygone era -- much as we do.
I have known women who work in such realms and we have discussed them much. Very different from what I am used to.
Place I worked, women interviewees had run off after the basic tour.
More in common with a war zone, than with a female dominated work environment.
SJG
SMH .....
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I rejected that back when I was in elementary school.
I say, this is the typical female stuff. But there are exceptions, women who really push through radical stuff. This later I do support, but it is rare.
Good Book, updated:
https://www.amazon.com/Stiffed-20th-Anni…
SJG
In my own view, most women do things which amount to doing what they are told. I am not like such women, and so I would never work in their environments.
There are however a few women who are very different. But they are rare.
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Yes, some women see the Army as a good job, for getting started and all.
SJG
So where were they? People said that they were in the "helping professions".
Maybe some, but I think there is still something else going on.
Were they housewives? I don't know, but very few from research oriented four year universities.
SJG
On the other hand, as a rick we are 100% male because the council excludes females. We did try to include a ladyboy tiger once but it turned out the barnacle was just joking. The barnacle may be the wisest rick of all but he also has a wicked sense of humor!
ROAR!!!
In 1988 the company merged with a larger one and at the time there were no females working in my department. Some time in the mid 90's the company's hiring and advancement policy changed to one of diversity. No longer were new employees hired on the basis of education and knowledge but rather on their sex or color. To do this they had to really lower their standards but public relations was the name of the game.
When I retired in 2009 there were still less than 5% females working in my department. I think mostly because most women were not interested even though the job paid extremely well. 2 of them even made it into the manager ranks, a position that I had held for the last 15 years.
I wish I could say that the company benefited from the policy change but I can't. It's not that I don't think women can do the job. It's just that there were more qualified males out there that got by passed. I'm happy to be retired.
When I was called for jury duty several months ago (I was in a group of 40 or so that was interviewed for the case, but was not seated- BHFH ! ), the district judges were overwhelmingly male. I briefly perused website, there were maybe 1 or 2 female judges out of 15 or so. As for the attorneys- 3 of 4 were female ( 2 female prosecutors, lead defense attorney was female. Male bailiff and female recorder. I vaguely recall reading where % of female law students has increased the last few years.
When I've gone to my credit union, and bank, the account reps (those with offices) have been virtually all female. The few designated financial advisors have been exclusively male. On the teller side, still mostly female, though I've seen more males creeping in the last few years. Maybe Cashman works in corporate HQ .
On the mutual fund side, I'd say telephone reps have been ~ 75% male. F2F meetings with advisors since being retired in 3 different office locations- 4 male , 1 female.
Anyways, when I worked “straight jobs”...all related to customer service in some form, I didn’t know which gender was more annoying to deal with.
Both females and males were passive aggressive, though the females were worse about it by far. With males, it was more about playing dumb to flirty behavior.
Strippers have a (admittedly deserved) poor rep for being low EQ—but they are by far the easiest to work with in most of the clubs I work in. Mostly because I don’t have to have any form of pretense of being a “team player”—and that’s what makes dancing so great 😁
That being said, it seems a lot of professions are facing a rise in telecommuting—and only having to come in “in person” for when the random meeting calls for it. I suspect that’s best for not only dealing with gender issues, but also other things as well. Though admittedly, I can’t say that with complete confidence.
It's possible that men are better than women (on average) with hard-core analytical skills. Explains why the only STEM field that has a lot of women is biology. It's always hard to sort out what's genetic v cultural.
25 hard to believe that there are such labor shortages. Here most of the building trades unions have people on waiting lists. Anytime someone offers decent jobs, there are people lined up around blocks for days in advance.
minnow, here we have lots of women in the banking and finance sector. We have lots of women attorneys of all types, and lots of women judges.
nicespice wrote, "Strippers have a (admittedly deserved) poor rep for being low EQ"
On the whole I have found strippers to be way above average in "EQ".
nicespice wrote, "Therefore @SJG, it’s tough to say at least from a female POV that politics goes away just because an environment is male dominated. Men have egos and they expect them massaged. "
No, I would say that the politics and the rules of the politics are different when an environment is female dominated vs male dominated. I have only personally worked in the latter. I am sure that I would not want to work in the former. What I see of the female dominated environments is that to a much greater degree, people are expected to go with the flow. And this does not apply to strip clubs or sex work.
As far as massaging male egos, well there are some kinds of work environments where that is what the females are for. I would call that a Complementary Environment, rather than a Symmetrical Environment. Never worked in a Complementary Environment, as that has women more for Comfort and Companionship. That is what strip clubs and AMPs are for.
As far as telecommuting, I also see it as good, but the technology was there for it long ago. Very slow in coming. There will still be politics. Some start up companies are intense. You have to be there to deal with the politics. True, but not good.
I agree with what VH_Kicks has posted. Probably once out of office Trump will seek political asylum in Russia, where he can suck Putin's dick.
Heaving, it is called "Essential Business Concept". But it is actually the age discrimination which gets them into more trouble than the gender discrimination.
Hooters has been in court a lot. If they said they were "Adult Entertainment", then they would have no problem, just zoning problems. But because they say they are "Family Restaurant", they have problems.
VH_Kicks, well in world war 2 we had lots of women in aircraft factories. Tools were improved because of this. And pre-Internet, we used to have more women programmers, because there was less money in it. Now that there is more money, men have chased them out.
I agree though that women are less inclined to take on extremely demanding detail oriented work. But I think this is more socialization. Also a cultural taboo about getting dirty, and then problems caused by long hair.
But you do in some fields see women mastering some of the most complex things.
Long discussion when I was married, wife said about how women cannot do this, cannot do that. Not strong enough, don't know how to do it.
I gave example about how as a small boy I learned how to do all sorts of things, though I had less strength and weight than an adult woman. I showed her how tools work, like socket wrenches. I explained about a body builder who cannot work on automobile engines because his arms are too thick. He can only do break work.
Over all I told her, women don't know how because they have never tried to learn. And its is not that they can't, it is really more that they don't think they should.
I believe that women think they would lose more than they would gain, if they tried.
Women are socialized differently, for better or worse, just the way it is. Some things have changed, but others no.
RandomMember, we have some women in STEM, besides biology. We have women airline pilots, women army generals, and women airforce generals. Teresa of Calcutta was a geography teacher, but often it is said that women are not good a reading maps.
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The only looser here skibum, is you.
SJG
But I do payroll, so they are nice to me 😉😋
SJG
That was basically what I was posting about previously. Very true, all that you say.
But there were good female programmers up through the 80's. Since then, with the Internet, computer programming has gotten more cachet, and money. Men have largely taken over.
SJG
STEM does not have that much cachet. Hard work, often little money, nerd stereotype.
Programming gained status cause of the Internet and more money. But this does seem to have meant that women got squeezed out.
Usually men will be willing to work longer hours and go along with these boys club startups.
Yes, these big companies can do good here.
But many men who work in programming do not want to work for or with women. They are seen as soft programmers, people who do the light stuff. Don't want to be associated with them. Some men won't even talk to them in interviews.
As far as Physicians, yes women have done real well there, and this does go back many generations, not just a couple of decades.
SJG
This may come as a shock to most of you --- but the MAJORITY of medical students in the U.S. are now female:
THE MAJORITY OF MEDICAL AND LAW STUDENTS (I POSTED THE LINK ABOVE) ARE NOW FEMALE.
#JURISDOCTORED #MD #FEMALE
Marry me plz
K.
Why is that ?
SJG
Hey, if I were Governor of California, I would not mind taking her to Africa:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBg5cnoN…
The numbers are in fact growing - which is great - different people bring different perspectives...but it will just take time.
SJG
It is not my theory that women are physically stronger than men, because your statement that "women are the weaker sex" was not a reference to physical differences between men and women, but was rather a statement in favor of the false, sexist idea that women are less competent than men emotionally and intellectually
This is.because on tuscl, you have also stated l that:
- you would never hire a woman over a man(even tho some women have/do work for
-all women do is bitch and complain.
^please take your sexism to the judge, along with ur defense for why you are biased towards hiring men compared to women.
VH Kicks is still Butt sore from Hillary losing the state of Pennsylvania to Trump. You should do more gerrymandering in Philly, then maybe you can turn the tables, like your switch hitting sex life!
Rotflmao!!!
This has been true of companies which I have worked for.
But from the perspective of my own work history, there is still a shortage of women with 4 year degrees from major research oriented universities.
But it is also well known that women have done very well in Law and Medicine, there you will find minds second to none.
SJG