The Unexpected Ficha Bucket

77 comments

• PutaTester

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  5 years ago

  I have had a similar experience several times. Had an ATF sent home and threatened with a fine for staying more than an hour in my room. Had meseros follow me and a girl to my room requiring that I buy a bucket, and returning an hour later and requiring that I buy another. It is all a BS scam, but what can you do other than say you are not going to take the girls up? Then it is the girls who suffer.
• Cristobal

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  5 years ago

  @tahoecruz What a bunch of BS? Forcing you to buy two ficha buckets is going too far. I believe the number of BGs who stay over night is a minute percentage of the BGs working. As I recollected the story for this discussion, I realized only one previous time did we go straight to the room from the bar without buying a ficha but we did order room service food and drinks afterwards. Stupid games like this will cause PLs to visit other clubs, stay at other hotels, and force more BGs to do OTC.
• Countryman5434

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  5 years ago

  It has happened to me so i just have them bring a bucket of fichas to room before hand if i am gonna do multiple hours
• Cristobal

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  5 years ago

  @countryman5434 I know you mentioned in one of your posts but I've had it yet happen. The funny thing was we 10 glasses of Orange Juice, since neither of us can drink.
• san_jose_guy

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  5 years ago

  If you are seeing a girl by appointment, wouldn't it be better to see her outside the zona? There is that Santa Cecilia on the perimeter of the zona. Then there is: [view link] I mean the fun of a strip club is see want get. But once you are locked in to one girl, then that all changes. I don't drink alcohol either, and I prefer girls who don't. Seen video of their massage girls, awesome! Don't know how hard it is to get them OTC. And then the street, getting them off script and into extended and TLN sessions. SJG
• Jascoi

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  5 years ago

  One time on the start of a 30 minute Arriba in my room the girl made a phone call and ordered a beer. A few minutes later the Mesero came with a bucket of 10 beers. I said no no no to the bucket. and I told him I would buy one single beer for the lady. most definitely I have never dealt with that woman again nor that mesero.
• Cristobal

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  5 years ago

  @misterwonderful I heard stories like yours a few times, so whenever a BG wants to order room Service, I order it for her. The only exception: my CFBG, I trust her to order properly (but we've know each other for 5 months).
• Liwet

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  5 years ago

  If this girl trusts you, how do they know what room she's in? It's possible to get a girl up to your room without giving your room number to the receptionist. You can also give a fake number.
• Cristobal

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  5 years ago

  @sjg It takes a while for me to cultivate appointment BGs, so I try to make it as easy as posible for her to make those appointments. I've taken a few BGs outside the Zona Notre for shopping, dinner, drinking, clubbing, or a movie but I have to enjoy our downtime together to take it to that level. Also, I don't have one BG who I spend all my time (though I do have a CFBG), as I like to have about 4 or 5, due to schedules, etc. On a slightly different topic, I decided to try to cultivate future appointment BGs, one time my CFBG kept changing our appointment time from 7 to 8 to 830pm, so I headed down to HK to watch the shows and found a super cutie who o spent an hour with, I told her I had a dinner appointment but I would like to see her in the near future, I tipped her and she gave me her number and now she is one of my regular appointment BGs.
• Cristobal

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  5 years ago

  @liwet They know what room she is in because as we walk past the reception desk, we provide the room number. I don't feel the need to give a fake room or ask anyone to try to slip by the receptionist. I don't need a BG to get in trouble for that.
• san_jose_guy

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  5 years ago

  ^^^^^^^ Clearly enjoying yourself Cristobal. SJG
• Jascoi

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  5 years ago

  living the dream!!!
• san_jose_guy

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  5 years ago

  ^^^^^ See, when its me, I won't be having them take their high heels off. I'll be bringing them high heels and lingerie to put on, and then doing photo sessions. So I'll have lots of stuff to bring. :) :) :) SJG Trump visit to London [view link] Richard Branson, want to read some about him, and by him [view link] Founder, Thank You For Making The Recent Changes [view link] Founder why are blocked posters now able to post on threads [view link] AOC Calls for: [view link] Western Esotericism, Hermeticism, Gnosticism, Theosophy, Rosicrucianism, Masonry, Templars [view link] Robert Kiyosaki [view link] Republican Anti-Abortion Crusade, a new Culture War for 2020 Election [view link] Nondenominational magic [view link] Bible and related materials [view link] “Impeachment of Trump is a loosing effort; “His base will be energized, if not infuriated, by what these ‘traitors’ are trying to do to their defender.” [view link] Conservative vs. Liberal [view link] OT: I think hot young chicks like admiring themselves more than being admired by guys [view link] Spree Shooting! [view link] The floor dances at Hi-Liter suck shit [view link] What's your dream car?? [view link] Thelema & the Decriminalization of Sex Work [view link] Elliot Rodger, Isla Vista Shooter 2014 [view link] Why TUSCL? [view link] Americans are under-educated [view link] Some of u still love ur wives. But 4 the rest of u, what was it that made u fall out of lobr with ur wife? Why did u think you didn't anticipate this would hap [view link] Trump Totally Wrong About Border and Wall [view link] Ancient Philosophy [view link] OT: Anglo-American Philosophy from Hobbes forward [view link] OT: Book Publishing Industry [view link] Icey Loco's Official Fashion Advice Thread... [view link] Notre Dame Cathedral, Paris, is on fire! [view link] United States Ranked, State by State [view link] Let the debauchery begin! Going to Indianapolis this weekend! [view link] Vocels (Voluntary Celibates) [view link] Stripper grade hotties: fact or myth [view link] The Life of Kids Today [view link] Roderigo the Robe Man -- Coming to the United States ( fiction in installments ) [view link] Pulsations of the Known Universe [view link] Car Keys and Wallet Dating [view link] OT: Assembler, C/C++, Embedded Systems, Machine Architectures, Development Systems, JTAG, Rust [view link] So What Do Women Like To Read? [view link] Crazy Women, and in Strip Clubs too [view link] UBI ( Universal Basic Income ) [view link] The Ultimate Thread: SJG's Soap Box [view link] OT: Mathematics [view link] R Programming Langauge [view link]
• Liwet

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  5 years ago

  ^this is why people ignore you.
• Cristobal

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  5 years ago

  @sjg Everyone mongers differently, so enjoy your experience. I'm confident you can find plenty of BGs who would like to get paid for a photo session. However, I have little desire to spend my time on a photo session. Like I mentioned earlier, everybody mongers differently, I do plenty of things most would not consider doing.
• san_jose_guy

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  5 years ago

  Cristobal, glad you are enjoying yourself fully. As I see it, strip clubs are about the ultimate power trip, see, want, get. But that only works with a given girl once. After that you're seeing her outside. So a way of extending such power trip, is to get her to paint up and supply her with what you want her to wear. For me the pics will serve other purposes as well. The girls will all be well taken care of. SJG
• Cristobal

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  5 years ago

  Back to the original topic: the Unexpected Ficha bucket. This past weekend I spent Saturday evening at Hotel Rizos. I met up with my CFBG at the beginning of her shift and we went directly to my room and we stayed there for the rest of her shift. During our time, we were not bothered by a masero telling us we had to buy a ficha bucket for her to stay the night. So who knows why it happened the last time: day of the week (busy Saturday versus slow Monday), hotel (Cascada versus Rizos), etc. At this point, I add this experience as another expense posible whenever I visit TJ.
• OldGringo

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  5 years ago

  From my experience over the years, it seems as though the bar managers are super aware of the chicas that sell the most fichas and therefore make the bar the most money. Because of this, a popular chica that sells a lot of fichas is tracked very closely. If she's gone an hour, the manager will send a mesero to the hotel to bring her back or to make the customer buy a bucket. They want their top earners on the floor selling fichas and making the bar money. Chicas that don't sell a lot of fichas and don't make a ton of money for the bar are less likely to be bothered if they are gone for more than an hour. If the bar has 100 or more girls working, the managers can't keep mental track of all of them, but if one of their superstars is missing for too long, they are on top of it right away. There's also the possibility of an enterprising mesero checking on the girl after an hour on his own, without management intervening, just because he sees it as a way to make an extra buck. Like all things in TJ, YMMV. What happens one day is no guarantee it will happen again the next. Best to hope for the best and prepare for the worst, so you make the best of it and don't let it ruin your experience. It sounds like you already have that perspective Cristobal, which is a good thing.
• san_jose_guy

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  5 years ago

  OldGringo, yes indeed it does sound like the zona is extremely complex. Would you then say that if you want to be TLNing with a girl, best to get her outside the zona ASAP? Is even a first TLN workable inside the Cascadas or the Rizo de Oro? Or are problems likely? Safe to lock stuff in your hotel room, while you go down the bar area? SJG
• OldGringo

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  5 years ago

  Quick story. 6 months ago I arriba one of the more popular HK chicas. She leaves about 30 or 40 minutes later and I shower. 20 minutes later a mesero is banging on my door looking for the chica. I tell him she left 20 minutes ago and he leaves. 5 minutes later he's banging on my door even harder looking for the girl. They can't find her. I tell him she left a while ago and probably went on break or something. He's not having it and won't leave until I open my door and let him search my room. I open the door, he sees she's not there, and he leaves. The bar manager went looking for this girl the minute the hour mark hit and was relentless until he had her back on the floor selling drinks. SJG, out of the zona is good, but no matter where it is, getting her when she is off the clock is best. When she's not working and it's her off day, it's a lot more relaxed for both of you. As for TLN, it's unlikely but possible when you first meet a chica. However, whether it's possible or not, I won't do it right away. I like to know them for a long while before I trust them enough to fall asleep while they are in my room.
• san_jose_guy

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  5 years ago

  Freelancing, not really off the clock, as I take it. I understand about wanting to know them better first. But on Escorts of Mexico, it said that you could often TLN with a Street Girl, first meeting, reasonable price. Price maybe like hotel plus about double the short time rate. Reason is, she has to sleep somewhere sometime. But you have to get to them too late at night, like 4am. I would not want to be doing that, not in a place like TJ's Zona. You do much TLNing with Bar Girls, with Massage Girls, starting at what time? SJG
• Cristobal

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  5 years ago

  @OldGringo I never really thought about top ficha seller BGs because I tend to select B team BGs. Another possibility I did not consider was your point regarding an enterprising mesero just looking to make an easy buck or two.
• san_jose_guy

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  5 years ago

  Never been there, but seems to me that the zona is a place to meet girls. But then it is a place you want to get your girl out of as soon as possible. Too many strange things which could go down. SJG
• Cristobal

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  5 years ago

  @OldGringo I agree, it is best to get together on her day off but sometimes schedules do not work out. Another challenge is her wanting to spend her day off with me, she has to have enough financial incentive plus not be repulsed by idea.
• Cristobal

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  5 years ago

  @san_jose_guy While anything is posible, is it likely or even really wanted? We all have our different preferences. I agree with @OldGringo to know a BG well before you let her stay the night. The Zona Notre is a good place to "meet" girls for a good time and arriba but not necessarily for "seeing" in terms of civvies. I disagree about getting her out of the Zona Notre as soon as possible, if that is the end game, I see it as having to progress naturally on her time table if at all.
• san_jose_guy

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  5 years ago

  "I see it as having to progress naturally on her time table if at all." Yes of course. But if you are seeing her a second time, then it is usually going to be by appointment. True? So you could say "meet me at the Cascadas, or at the Rizo de Oro, or you could pick from this list: [view link] I think some of it is just getting to understand her daily schedule and what type of transportation she uses. That See - Want - Get dynamic of the bars is great. But that does not work when you are already obliged to meet a particular girl. But having an appointment with you at a particular time, that locks her in, so it takes up more of her time, means more lost gigs. So to me it seems like it is just a matter of what kind of time you want to be spending with her, and for how long, and then seeing what will work for her time, and transportation wise. I take note of OldGringo's accounts of HK-Cascadas staff being assholes. SJG
• Rb47

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  5 years ago

  @cristobal Seems like you’ve set yourself up quite nicely with multiple bar girls. Just curious, in what language do you guys primarily communicate? In English? Or Do you use a translation app? Or can you speak Spanish like a native or have passable Spanish?
• Cristobal

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  5 years ago

  @rb47 My visits to TJ became boring when it was go to a bar, buy a girl one drink, and then go arriba. I enjoy it much more becoming much more familiar with a few BGs and seeing them regulary, though occasionally I look for a new BG just to go arriba. I speak very passable Spanish, though sometimes I use the translation app to find an appropriate word or phrase. Even with the BGs who speak English, I converse with them in Spanish.
• Cristobal

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  5 years ago

  @san_jose_guy From my limited experience, even when meeting up by appointment (the second or third time) usually she controls the scheduling and location. My feeling is the BG has to trust you and know you are worth the effort to see outside the club. My experience has been at best it takes about four meet ups before she decides to see me on her days off or take the day off to see me. One of the BGs I regularly visit will take off Friday or Saturday for me, most will only give up a Monday, Tuesday, or Wednesday.
• Rb47

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  5 years ago

  @cristobal Just curious, but how did you go about learning Spanish?
• Cristobal

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  5 years ago

  @rb47 My parents were native Spanish speakers. I understand Spanish better than I speak, read, or write (text). Sometimes, I have trouble with slang and different dialects. Interestingly, the most Spanish I speak is to the BGs in TJ, as most of my Spanish-only speaking family has passed away.
• san_jose_guy

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  5 years ago

  Cristobal, that makes sense the girl needing to trust you for OTC. And I guess that is some of what is so nice about the Zona, having it there and available. Most of the talk about domestic OTC on this forum has been that you do not let the girl control the location, you have to control it. This would generally be my position too. But I can appreciate that in TJ it could be different. Thanks for the heads up about that. And I know that asking the girls for an appointment takes up more of her time than she just meeting someone and going arriba spontaneously. But what else can you do? I know some way can be figured out. Hey that's good that you make the effort and speak to them in Spanish. Less likely to have communications problems that way. I'll be wanting them to maintain electronic communications, and to be looking at web sites. Do you do electronic communications with your girls? Texting? Cell Phone Voice? Email? Most massage girls will do Texting, but most don't use email. For one thing, they don't want that to substitute for an on the clock session. But they also just want to be bedded. Do you use Burner Phone with your girls? Do you use What's App? What makes that different from regular texting? Thanks, SJG
• tbot1102

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  5 years ago

  Kudos to @Cristobal and @oldgringo for sharing the experiences. They are like the adventurers striking out into uncharted lands (at least for us) and then writing about them for our benefit.
• Cristobal

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  5 years ago

  @tb1102 Thanks. I enjoy taking one for team and reporting it back to TUSCL nation.
• san_jose_guy

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  5 years ago

  ^^^^^^^ sometimes though, these are the guys who get tranformed into Show Donkeys. SJG
• Cristobal

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  5 years ago

  We are also the guys who have good to great experiences living out our fantasies rather than just watching on video or reading a post.
• san_jose_guy

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  5 years ago

  Consumerism and Sex Tourism have definite limitations. Some of us are working to build much much more than that, new ways of living. SJG
• san_jose_guy

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  5 years ago

  "World Famous" Donkey Show On Weekends [view link] This can't mean what it says literally! SJG
• san_jose_guy

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  5 years ago

  3 different statements of their hours: [view link] from 11am till late then scrolling down the the ABOUT, it says open 24/7 then scrolling down a bit more, it says 1pm 'till late. Other contradictory statements about hours on the site too. Generally lots of stuff talked about, like VIP Passes and Luxury Men's Suites, but not at all explained how such likely complicated stuff works. 24/7 would of course be best. And women can do what they want, even leaving mid-shift would also be good. Onsite store for high heels and lingerie would also be good, along with food. And then info about nearby hotels would help. It talks about "Overnight and long-term hotel accommodations", but there is no link for finding out more about how that would work, like where is the hotel, and of course the implied issue of getting a girl there with you. And smoke free would be better! WIKI only El Fracso is smoke free. SJG
• Cristobal

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  5 years ago

  "Consumerism and Sex Tourism have definite limitations. Some of us are working to build much much more than that, new ways of living." I@san_jose_guy I agree there definitite limitations but I (and many more) are willing to put up with those limitations. As you keep working on building much more, but until that time I will continue to make the trek to TJ and assist their economy.
• san_jose_guy

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  5 years ago

  So how much does a ficha bucket cost? How many fichas? Anything else? So you just give the bucket to your girl. That gets her some money and credit, and the house gets some money that way. Otherwise they would not be getting any cut. Is that all it is? SJG [view link] “Unconscionable & Unacceptable”: Rep. Barragán Decries Detention of Migrant Children in Prison Cells [view link] Eric Garcetti, son of former DA Gil Garcetti [view link]
• Cristobal

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  5 years ago

  Last night (Monday, 15th) I spent the evening with my CFBG at my room in Hotel Rizos, we was on shift at 7pm and stayed at my room for her entire shift (3pm). About two hours into her stay, I received a phone call on the hotel phone but no one was on the line, I called the reception desk to inquire but they said they did not call. When we returned to HK, the robe guy did not say anything (I was ready to tip him to not reprimand her) either. So on this extended stay, I did not have to buy a ficha bucket and she did not get reprimanded for staying more than an hour.
• san_jose_guy

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  5 years ago

  So Cristobal, does the HK Bar have like two shifts of girls? Do you know what time they get off? That would seem like the best time to target with them if you want a first meeting long session. And then likewise to set up longer by appointment meetings with them. For example, at our local strip clubs, more of the night shift girls are ready for OTC, as they are younger and have zero responsibilities other than the strip club. But for some of us, that is too late at night. So the day shift girls, generally more level headed and easier to deal with, older. But they have responsibilities. Is it like this in TJ? With the SG too? Thanks, SJG
• Cristobal

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  5 years ago

  @san_jose_guy I have no idea how many shifts they have, I see BGs arriving throughout the day and night, but definitely more than two shifts. I respectfully disagree, the best time for an extended stay is not at the end of their shift, from my experience most BGs want to go home (hotel/appartment) after eight or nine hours of walking around, dancing in those heels, drinking, partying, and arribas.
• Cristobal

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  5 years ago

  It seems like HK Management is pushing BGs to sell more fichas, so they are keeping stricter watch of BGs time (especially arriba). It seems some meseros are trying to take advantage of PLs trying to spend extended time with BGs. One tried to tell me I had to buy a bucket ($90) for every two hours the BG stays with me, I passed on that "deal". This ficha bucket dilema is not going to go away, I guess I need to keep my visits to one hour in the club or on her days off.
• san_jose_guy

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  5 years ago

  Sounds like a back up alternative to that HK bar is inorder, as well as finding the best ways of seeing girls outside the zona. SJG
• Cristobal

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  5 years ago

  @san_jose_guy One reason PLs will buy the ficha bucket is there really is no alternative to HKTJ. Though there are other clubs within walking distance of HKTJ none of the other bars offer the quality and quantity of BGs as HKTJ.
• san_jose_guy

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  5 years ago

  "none of the other bars offer the quality and quantity of BGs as HKTJ" So I have been hearing. But the way you describe it, if you rent an overnight room, there will be problems in putting it to its intended use. So as I then see it, the objective has to be shifted to getting the girls outside. And then as far as where to first meet them, not sure if the best from other venues make those into adequate substitutes. To me it has always seemed like long term, SG are going to be better. SJG
• Cristobal

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  5 years ago

  @san_jose_guy The overnight rooms are perfect for a certain type of mongering (multiple arribas, short term sessions, rest, recovery, clean up). I like to spend a few hours with certain BGs and sometimes I like to just arriba for 30-60 minutes. I have visited TJ and spent the entire visit seeing one BG and sometimes I visit and see five BGs. In my limited experience, HKTJ is the best club, definitely not perfect but the positives far outweigh the negatives. Sorry, I have no experience with SGs.
• OldGringo

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  5 years ago

  HK girls can and often do sleep overnight in guy's rooms in both Cascadas and Rizo once their shift ends. Once they are off the clock they can stay all night with no interruptions. Nobody will come knocking on your door making you buy a bucket once they have clocked out for the night. Out of the zona on their day off is best, but not always possible. Cascadas and Rizo serve their purpose.
• Cristobal

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  5 years ago

  @oldgringo A few HK BGs slept in my room but not after one meet and I don't pay for them to sleep, they get paid to work...lol The premise appears to be one can go to HK right before the end of a shift (say 12am), meet a BG, ask her to stay at your TNL, which to me is possible but improbable. I have seen and experienced BGs reject fichas (and arribas) at the end of their shift just wanting to get TF out of there.
• OldGringo

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  5 years ago

  I agree Cristobal. It mainly happens with regular customers and their favoritas, when they know each other a while. I was mainly stating that HK girls can stay overnight in the guys' rooms because SJG seemed to think they are not allowed to do so.
• Cristobal

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  5 years ago

  @oldgringo From some of questions, it seems like he thinks it should happen all the time if you approach them at the end of their shift, because where else would they sleep? To me it is the diffrrence between reading about versus living the experience. Speaking of living the experience, I will be out there on Sunday afternoon through Monday night. My last hurrah, for a few weeks (need to be an adult for a month or two).
• san_jose_guy

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  5 years ago

  It would make no sense to have the fancy hotel suites if TLN is not feasible. On Escorts of Mexico it had said that it is possible to get first timer TLN with street girls, but if you get to them late enough at night. The girl knows she can't keep on going forever, and a hotel room costs money. So maybe like 4am, and paying for the hotel plus maybe double the quick time rate. Sounds okay, except for the 4am. I don't plan on doing that, confine my scoping out of street girls to the day light hours. Because so much of the info getting posted sounds contradictory, I am convinced that it is just like with FRMOS in US clubs, guys find what they want to find in TJ's Zona. SJG
• Cristobal

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  5 years ago

  @san_jose_guy From my experience, with enough money and effort anything is feasible in TJ. For instance: if you want BBFS, you ask for it, a BG will either tell you how much or she does not do it, then you can take her offer or move onto to another BG. So, if you want TNL on the first meet, with enough money and effort, you should be able to find it. For me the Unexpected Ficha Bucket was part of the money needed to be spent to have an extended stay with a BG who was on duty at HK.
• Jascoi

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  5 years ago

  agree. my TLN experiences are to arrange it with the girl before the end of her shift and then after she's checked out she'll come and hang with me and sleep with me or whatever with me for ever how long she wants to. I will pay her for sex but I will not pay for her sleeping with me. I will agree it's a delight to wake up to a pretty girl after a good nights sleep and then to have the morning fun. but it's so nice to have a go away with no commitment for a marriage or even as a long-term comitted girlfriend.
• Jascoi

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  5 years ago

  a= her. dang seri.
• Cristobal

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  5 years ago

  @misterwonderful How often does arranging her to meet after her shift work out? Some of the BGs I talk to who are approaching the end of there shifts are usually eager to just clock out and go "home." Sometimes they pass on the ficha (and potential arriba).
• Cristobal

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  5 years ago

  @mrwonderful When I was at Adelita's with Jim and OldGringo, Jim would offer to take the girl arriba after their shift and to his hotel room with one BG accepting. I learned something new.
• Jascoi

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  5 years ago

  i've been successful a few times but unsuccessful even more times. because I'm a cheapskate and will not pay them just to sleep with me. i'll only pay for sex and not just sleep.
• Jascoi

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  5 years ago

  you gotta remember. that I target the top level girls. eights and above. by the end of their shift they are fucking wore out literally. some of them have already fucked as much as 10 times during their shift. and they fucking hurt by that time. as well-designed God designed her pussy I don't think HE intended her to be fucked hard 10 times in an eight hour shift.
• Cristobal

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  5 years ago

  @mrwonderful I agree, I will not pay for them to sleep in my room. I would rather use that money for another arriba.
• OldGringo

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  5 years ago

  Agree with both of you. I'll pay for a regular arriba and if they stay overnight it's a bonus. I'll never pay big bucks just for a TLN. You'd be surprised what guys pay though. My amiga has guys paying her $500 to $700 for a night. That's when she's working too, so that's on top of her regular day's earnings.
• Cristobal

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  5 years ago

  @oldgringo Your amiga must be a fantastic sleeper. She gets paid more to sleep than to "work"
• san_jose_guy

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  5 years ago

  "sleeping" means that she is on call for you when the need arises. SJG
• Cristobal

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  5 years ago

  @san_jose_guy "sleeping means that she is on call for you when the need arises." That is debatable, while multiple sessions may be available I doubt she is going to wake up ready to go just because the need arises. I personally would not want to wake up a BG in deep sleep just because I feel like a romp in the sack.
• san_jose_guy

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  5 years ago

  Others have posted things which support my own view, about TJ TLN's. But some of us have just learned to be a bit more forward and hard driving with women. :) :) :) SJG
• Cristobal

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  5 years ago

  @san_jose_guy To each their own. Good luck with that. I prefer all my women to be happy and in a good mood when she is with me. No need for me to be forward and hard driving.
• san_jose_guy

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  5 years ago

  Some guys like the girl to really open up and giver herself to them, in TLN's. They have posted about that, and the girls seem to be wired up that way. SJG
• Cristobal

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  5 years ago

  @san_jose_guy Agree to disagree, my life experience is much different. I would not wake up a sleeping women just because I feel like having sex. I have more than enough fun on my TJ visits, I do not need to write a discussion regarding the sleep deprived, crazy BG. Those girls are crazy enough.
• san_jose_guy

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  5 years ago

  Some have found that though they may not say it, the girls seem to expect that. They expect to have their sleep disturbed in that manner. SJG
• JAprufrock

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  5 years ago

  @SanJoseGuy I believe you’re spot on. Based on my experiences, the BGs are more receptive to be awaken for sex than the front room makeout session. Their reasoning, as you well know, is they can simply lay down in bed and spread their legs for sex. Whereas the front room makeout sessions require more effort, as well as having to get dressed and making your way to the front room.
• Cristobal

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  5 years ago

  @japrufrock Your organization needs to address the issue of FRMOS versus spread theirlegs after just waking up. Both a very serious obstacles to the future of mongering.
• Cristobal

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  5 years ago

  Though I have yet to meet a civvie or p4p who is ready to go right after waking up. Maybe it is just me and the women I know.
• san_jose_guy

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  5 years ago

  The issue here is discovering the ideal method for waking them up. SJG
• Cristobal

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  5 years ago

  @san_jose_guy What is the "ideal method for waking them up?"
• san_jose_guy

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  5 years ago

  :) :) :) SJG