The Unexpected Ficha Bucket
Cristobal
I give in to sin because you have to make this life livable
For me it has led to a CFBG and four BGs I regularly meet by appointment, though I still some times have the need to forgo the above-mentioned and just take a hot BG arriba for a 30 minute session.
With my CFBG some times we meet by appointment at HK, buy two or three fichas, go to Azul for dinner and then spend the rest of her shift in my room.
Sometimes, she does not go to work, goes to my room and we order room service drinks and dinner and spend the rest of the night in my hotel room.
There are other times, if she is not working the next day, we leave the Zona Norte for an evening to watch a movie or visit a night club, have dinner and drinks and then spend the night at my hotel room.
On my last visit to TJ to visit my CFBG, she decided she had to show up for her shift but I met her as she started and right away we left to have dinner at Azul.
After dinner we went up to my room, where as usual she would stay until her shift ended, when for the first time in four months worth of visits a masero came to my room to let me know I had to buy a bucket of fichas for her to stay the night.
$90 in fichas for the bucket, the ironic part is per Drs orders neither of us can drink alcohol, so we had 10 glasses of orange Juice.
The masero looked thoroughly disappointed as he throught he would receive a $10 tip for interrupting our evening but only received $2, and he returned two minutes later offering us snacks, wtf.
She was noticably upset stating it's never happen to us and will never happen again (the small comission she receives is not worth upsetting me) as she promised for future meetings to take the day off to avoid the interuptions.
I was upset because it was the first time a masero came to my room to tell me I had buy a ficha bucket so the BG could stay.
I've had BGs stay 1, 2, 4, and 8 hours (while on shift) and this was the FIRST time a masero doubed as a HK Bar Chapparone.
Just a warning to my fellow TJ Mongers.
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What a bunch of BS?
Forcing you to buy two ficha buckets is going too far.
I believe the number of BGs who stay over night is a minute percentage of the BGs working.
As I recollected the story for this discussion, I realized only one previous time did we go straight to the room from the bar without buying a ficha but we did order room service food and drinks afterwards.
Stupid games like this will cause PLs to visit other clubs, stay at other hotels, and force more BGs to do OTC.
I know you mentioned in one of your posts but I've had it yet happen.
The funny thing was we 10 glasses of Orange Juice, since neither of us can drink.
There is that Santa Cecilia on the perimeter of the zona.
Then there is:
http://www.mexicolindobar.com/tijuana-ho…
I mean the fun of a strip club is see want get. But once you are locked in to one girl, then that all changes.
I don't drink alcohol either, and I prefer girls who don't.
Seen video of their massage girls, awesome! Don't know how hard it is to get them OTC. And then the street, getting them off script and into extended and TLN sessions.
SJG
I heard stories like yours a few times, so whenever a BG wants to order room Service, I order it for her.
The only exception: my CFBG, I trust her to order properly (but we've know each other for 5 months).
It takes a while for me to cultivate appointment BGs, so I try to make it as easy as posible for her to make those appointments.
I've taken a few BGs outside the Zona Notre for shopping, dinner, drinking, clubbing, or a movie but I have to enjoy our downtime together to take it to that level.
Also, I don't have one BG who I spend all my time (though I do have a CFBG), as I like to have about 4 or 5, due to schedules, etc.
On a slightly different topic, I decided to try to cultivate future appointment BGs, one time my CFBG kept changing our appointment time from 7 to 8 to 830pm, so I headed down to HK to watch the shows and found a super cutie who o spent an hour with, I told her I had a dinner appointment but I would like to see her in the near future, I tipped her and she gave me her number and now she is one of my regular appointment BGs.
They know what room she is in because as we walk past the reception desk, we provide the room number.
I don't feel the need to give a fake room or ask anyone to try to slip by the receptionist.
I don't need a BG to get in trouble for that.
SJG
:) :) :)
SJG
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Everyone mongers differently, so enjoy your experience.
I'm confident you can find plenty of BGs who would like to get paid for a photo session.
However, I have little desire to spend my time on a photo session.
Like I mentioned earlier, everybody mongers differently, I do plenty of things most would not consider doing.
As I see it, strip clubs are about the ultimate power trip, see, want, get.
But that only works with a given girl once. After that you're seeing her outside. So a way of extending such power trip, is to get her to paint up and supply her with what you want her to wear.
For me the pics will serve other purposes as well. The girls will all be well taken care of.
SJG
This past weekend I spent Saturday evening at Hotel Rizos.
I met up with my CFBG at the beginning of her shift and we went directly to my room and we stayed there for the rest of her shift.
During our time, we were not bothered by a masero telling us we had to buy a ficha bucket for her to stay the night.
So who knows why it happened the last time: day of the week (busy Saturday versus slow Monday), hotel (Cascada versus Rizos), etc.
At this point, I add this experience as another expense posible whenever I visit TJ.
They want their top earners on the floor selling fichas and making the bar money.
Chicas that don't sell a lot of fichas and don't make a ton of money for the bar are less likely to be bothered if they are gone for more than an hour.
If the bar has 100 or more girls working, the managers can't keep mental track of all of them, but if one of their superstars is missing for too long, they are on top of it right away.
There's also the possibility of an enterprising mesero checking on the girl after an hour on his own, without management intervening, just because he sees it as a way to make an extra buck.
Like all things in TJ, YMMV. What happens one day is no guarantee it will happen again the next. Best to hope for the best and prepare for the worst, so you make the best of it and don't let it ruin your experience. It sounds like you already have that perspective Cristobal, which is a good thing.
Would you then say that if you want to be TLNing with a girl, best to get her outside the zona ASAP? Is even a first TLN workable inside the Cascadas or the Rizo de Oro? Or are problems likely?
Safe to lock stuff in your hotel room, while you go down the bar area?
SJG
5 minutes later he's banging on my door even harder looking for the girl. They can't find her. I tell him she left a while ago and probably went on break or something. He's not having it and won't leave until I open my door and let him search my room. I open the door, he sees she's not there, and he leaves.
The bar manager went looking for this girl the minute the hour mark hit and was relentless until he had her back on the floor selling drinks.
SJG, out of the zona is good, but no matter where it is, getting her when she is off the clock is best. When she's not working and it's her off day, it's a lot more relaxed for both of you. As for TLN, it's unlikely but possible when you first meet a chica. However, whether it's possible or not, I won't do it right away. I like to know them for a long while before I trust them enough to fall asleep while they are in my room.
I understand about wanting to know them better first.
But on Escorts of Mexico, it said that you could often TLN with a Street Girl, first meeting, reasonable price. Price maybe like hotel plus about double the short time rate.
Reason is, she has to sleep somewhere sometime.
But you have to get to them too late at night, like 4am. I would not want to be doing that, not in a place like TJ's Zona.
You do much TLNing with Bar Girls, with Massage Girls, starting at what time?
SJG
I never really thought about top ficha seller BGs because I tend to select B team BGs.
Another possibility I did not consider was your point regarding an enterprising mesero just looking to make an easy buck or two.
SJG
I agree, it is best to get together on her day off but sometimes schedules do not work out.
Another challenge is her wanting to spend her day off with me, she has to have enough financial incentive plus not be repulsed by idea.
While anything is posible, is it likely or even really wanted?
We all have our different preferences.
I agree with @OldGringo to know a BG well before you let her stay the night.
The Zona Notre is a good place to "meet" girls for a good time and arriba but not necessarily for "seeing" in terms of civvies.
I disagree about getting her out of the Zona Notre as soon as possible, if that is the end game, I see it as having to progress naturally on her time table if at all.
Yes of course. But if you are seeing her a second time, then it is usually going to be by appointment. True?
So you could say "meet me at the Cascadas, or at the Rizo de Oro, or you could pick from this list:
http://www.mexicolindobar.com/tijuana-ho…
I think some of it is just getting to understand her daily schedule and what type of transportation she uses.
That See - Want - Get dynamic of the bars is great. But that does not work when you are already obliged to meet a particular girl.
But having an appointment with you at a particular time, that locks her in, so it takes up more of her time, means more lost gigs.
So to me it seems like it is just a matter of what kind of time you want to be spending with her, and for how long, and then seeing what will work for her time, and transportation wise.
I take note of OldGringo's accounts of HK-Cascadas staff being assholes.
SJG
Seems like you’ve set yourself up quite nicely with multiple bar girls. Just curious, in what language do you guys primarily communicate? In English? Or Do you use a translation app? Or can you speak Spanish like a native or have passable Spanish?
My visits to TJ became boring when it was go to a bar, buy a girl one drink, and then go arriba.
I enjoy it much more becoming much more familiar with a few BGs and seeing them regulary, though occasionally I look for a new BG just to go arriba.
I speak very passable Spanish, though sometimes I use the translation app to find an appropriate word or phrase.
Even with the BGs who speak English, I converse with them in Spanish.
From my limited experience, even when meeting up by appointment (the second or third time) usually she controls the scheduling and location.
My feeling is the BG has to trust you and know you are worth the effort to see outside the club.
My experience has been at best it takes about four meet ups before she decides to see me on her days off or take the day off to see me.
One of the BGs I regularly visit will take off Friday or Saturday for me, most will only give up a Monday, Tuesday, or Wednesday.
Just curious, but how did you go about learning Spanish?
My parents were native Spanish speakers.
I understand Spanish better than I speak, read, or write (text).
Sometimes, I have trouble with slang and different dialects.
Interestingly, the most Spanish I speak is to the BGs in TJ, as most of my Spanish-only speaking family has passed away.
Most of the talk about domestic OTC on this forum has been that you do not let the girl control the location, you have to control it. This would generally be my position too.
But I can appreciate that in TJ it could be different.
Thanks for the heads up about that.
And I know that asking the girls for an appointment takes up more of her time than she just meeting someone and going arriba spontaneously. But what else can you do? I know some way can be figured out.
Hey that's good that you make the effort and speak to them in Spanish. Less likely to have communications problems that way.
I'll be wanting them to maintain electronic communications, and to be looking at web sites.
Do you do electronic communications with your girls?
Texting? Cell Phone Voice? Email?
Most massage girls will do Texting, but most don't use email.
For one thing, they don't want that to substitute for an on the clock session. But they also just want to be bedded.
Do you use Burner Phone with your girls?
Do you use What's App? What makes that different from regular texting?
Thanks,
SJG
Thanks.
I enjoy taking one for team and reporting it back to TUSCL nation.
SJG
Some of us are working to build much much more than that, new ways of living.
SJG
http://dejavutijuana.com/vip-pass
This can't mean what it says literally!
SJG
http://dejavutijuana.com/faq
from 11am till late
then scrolling down the the ABOUT, it says open 24/7
then scrolling down a bit more, it says 1pm 'till late.
Other contradictory statements about hours on the site too. Generally lots of stuff talked about, like VIP Passes and Luxury Men's Suites, but not at all explained how such likely complicated stuff works.
24/7 would of course be best. And women can do what they want, even leaving mid-shift would also be good.
Onsite store for high heels and lingerie would also be good, along with food.
And then info about nearby hotels would help.
It talks about "Overnight and long-term hotel accommodations", but there is no link for finding out more about how that would work, like where is the hotel, and of course the implied issue of getting a girl there with you.
And smoke free would be better! WIKI only El Fracso is smoke free.
SJG
Some of us are working to build much much more than that, new ways of living."
I@san_jose_guy
I agree there definitite limitations but I (and many more) are willing to put up with those limitations.
As you keep working on building much more, but until that time I will continue to make the trek to TJ and assist their economy.
So you just give the bucket to your girl. That gets her some money and credit, and the house gets some money that way. Otherwise they would not be getting any cut.
Is that all it is?
SJG
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About two hours into her stay, I received a phone call on the hotel phone but no one was on the line, I called the reception desk to inquire but they said they did not call.
When we returned to HK, the robe guy did not say anything (I was ready to tip him to not reprimand her) either.
So on this extended stay, I did not have to buy a ficha bucket and she did not get reprimanded for staying more than an hour.
Do you know what time they get off? That would seem like the best time to target with them if you want a first meeting long session.
And then likewise to set up longer by appointment meetings with them.
For example, at our local strip clubs, more of the night shift girls are ready for OTC, as they are younger and have zero responsibilities other than the strip club.
But for some of us, that is too late at night. So the day shift girls, generally more level headed and easier to deal with, older. But they have responsibilities.
Is it like this in TJ?
With the SG too?
Thanks,
SJG
I have no idea how many shifts they have, I see BGs arriving throughout the day and night, but definitely more than two shifts.
I respectfully disagree, the best time for an extended stay is not at the end of their shift, from my experience most BGs want to go home (hotel/appartment) after eight or nine hours of walking around, dancing in those heels, drinking, partying, and arribas.
It seems some meseros are trying to take advantage of PLs trying to spend extended time with BGs.
One tried to tell me I had to buy a bucket ($90) for every two hours the BG stays with me, I passed on that "deal".
This ficha bucket dilema is not going to go away, I guess I need to keep my visits to one hour in the club or on her days off.
SJG
One reason PLs will buy the ficha bucket is there really is no alternative to HKTJ.
Though there are other clubs within walking distance of HKTJ none of the other bars offer the quality and quantity of BGs as HKTJ.
So I have been hearing.
But the way you describe it, if you rent an overnight room, there will be problems in putting it to its intended use.
So as I then see it, the objective has to be shifted to getting the girls outside.
And then as far as where to first meet them, not sure if the best from other venues make those into adequate substitutes.
To me it has always seemed like long term, SG are going to be better.
SJG
The overnight rooms are perfect for a certain type of mongering (multiple arribas, short term sessions, rest, recovery, clean up).
I like to spend a few hours with certain BGs and sometimes I like to just arriba for 30-60 minutes.
I have visited TJ and spent the entire visit seeing one BG and sometimes I visit and see five BGs.
In my limited experience, HKTJ is the best club, definitely not perfect but the positives far outweigh the negatives.
Sorry, I have no experience with SGs.
Out of the zona on their day off is best, but not always possible. Cascadas and Rizo serve their purpose.
A few HK BGs slept in my room but not after one meet and I don't pay for them to sleep, they get paid to work...lol
The premise appears to be one can go to HK right before the end of a shift (say 12am), meet a BG, ask her to stay at your TNL, which to me is possible but improbable.
I have seen and experienced BGs reject fichas (and arribas) at the end of their shift just wanting to get TF out of there.
I was mainly stating that HK girls can stay overnight in the guys' rooms because SJG seemed to think they are not allowed to do so.
From some of questions, it seems like he thinks it should happen all the time if you approach them at the end of their shift, because where else would they sleep?
To me it is the diffrrence between reading about versus living the experience.
Speaking of living the experience, I will be out there on Sunday afternoon through Monday night.
My last hurrah, for a few weeks (need to be an adult for a month or two).
On Escorts of Mexico it had said that it is possible to get first timer TLN with street girls, but if you get to them late enough at night.
The girl knows she can't keep on going forever, and a hotel room costs money. So maybe like 4am, and paying for the hotel plus maybe double the quick time rate.
Sounds okay, except for the 4am. I don't plan on doing that, confine my scoping out of street girls to the day light hours.
Because so much of the info getting posted sounds contradictory, I am convinced that it is just like with FRMOS in US clubs, guys find what they want to find in TJ's Zona.
SJG
From my experience, with enough money and effort anything is feasible in TJ.
For instance: if you want BBFS, you ask for it, a BG will either tell you how much or she does not do it, then you can take her offer or move onto to another BG.
So, if you want TNL on the first meet, with enough money and effort, you should be able to find it.
For me the Unexpected Ficha Bucket was part of the money needed to be spent to have an extended stay with a BG who was on duty at HK.
my TLN experiences are to arrange it with the girl before the end of her shift and then after she's checked out she'll come and hang with me and sleep with me or whatever with me for ever how long she wants to. I will pay her for sex but I will not pay for her sleeping with me. I will agree it's a delight to wake up to a pretty girl after a good nights sleep and then to have the morning fun. but it's so nice to have a go away with no commitment for a marriage or even as a long-term comitted girlfriend.
dang seri.
How often does arranging her to meet after her shift work out?
Some of the BGs I talk to who are approaching the end of there shifts are usually eager to just clock out and go "home."
Sometimes they pass on the ficha (and potential arriba).
When I was at Adelita's with Jim and OldGringo, Jim would offer to take the girl arriba after their shift and to his hotel room with one BG accepting.
I learned something new.
I agree, I will not pay for them to sleep in my room.
I would rather use that money for another arriba.
You'd be surprised what guys pay though. My amiga has guys paying her $500 to $700 for a night. That's when she's working too, so that's on top of her regular day's earnings.
Your amiga must be a fantastic sleeper.
She gets paid more to sleep than to "work"
SJG
"sleeping means that she is on call for you when the need arises."
That is debatable, while multiple sessions may be available I doubt she is going to wake up ready to go just because the need arises.
I personally would not want to wake up a BG in deep sleep just because I feel like a romp in the sack.
But some of us have just learned to be a bit more forward and hard driving with women.
:) :) :)
SJG
To each their own.
Good luck with that.
I prefer all my women to be happy and in a good mood when she is with me.
No need for me to be forward and hard driving.
SJG
Agree to disagree, my life experience is much different.
I would not wake up a sleeping women just because I feel like having sex.
I have more than enough fun on my TJ visits, I do not need to write a discussion regarding the sleep deprived, crazy BG.
Those girls are crazy enough.
SJG
I believe you’re spot on. Based on my experiences, the BGs are more receptive to be awaken for sex than the front room makeout session.
Their reasoning, as you well know, is they can simply lay down in bed and spread their legs for sex. Whereas the front room makeout sessions require more effort, as well as having to get dressed and making your way to the front room.
Your organization needs to address the issue of FRMOS versus spread theirlegs after just waking up.
Both a very serious obstacles to the future of mongering.
Maybe it is just me and the women I know.
SJG
What is the "ideal method for waking them up?"
SJG