Why are Texas laws so dumb?

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Yeah it’s dumb. But I actually think Texas is one of the better states I’ve been too. Probably says more about the USA than it does Texas though.

And I found out recently in Albuquerque you have to be supervised (!) during the VIP dance. Although how much supervision varies but that is gonna really affect how many dances I get that night if I have some fat ass bouncer breathing over me and the girl. In fact, I’ll just save my money thanks.

As a customer, I almost never know exactly what the laws are. I do notice that rules are different in different parts of a state and even from club to club in the same city. Rules also change from dancer to dancer. Once I find a dancer that has rules I can live with I tend to stick with her. It can be very confusing out there.

Sounds like our very own SJG would get arrested as a John for front room DFK.

You probably shouldn't park your horse next to the fire hydrant or use the lord's name in vain. They hang em high in Texas.

Did you hear about that law maker from Texas that was so big that when he died they couldn't find a coffin big enough to bury him in?

What they did was give him an enema, then they buried him in a shoe box

Well lots of places, most places in the US, have very restrictive laws.

Certainly here in Santa Clara County it is tough. No topless with alcohol.

Our LE tries to say that any touching or flashing for tips, is not just over the rules, but it is prostitution.

Paint on boobies? You mean fake topless? I know they would not like that. If you mean really paint on boobies, they might think it is supposed to be licked off.

And we don't even have back rooms.

What it really comes down to is fearless defendants who can afford expert lawyers, and so they will not plead guilty.

LE might want it to be one way, but if a defendant has adequate defense and a jury trial, they might not get convicted. Once that happens, hard for LE to stick to their old interpretation.

In the most conservative of jurisdictions they just prosecute the female entertainers.

If they tried that in San Francisco, the Cops and DA would be made into laughing stocks in the news papers.

I guess in Scandinavia they are prosecuting customers. I guess that is the most extreme. It does not matter to me, as I don't ever talk to women in such a manner which is ever anything less than civilian.

In a strip club, it is a hard argument to make that a customer should be prosecuted, as the guy walks in and it looks like it must be legal.

The landmark case here was Dianne Feinstein trying to shut down Jim and Artie Mitchell. They got competent defense and they went through a jury trial.

The prosecution was calling Jim and Artie "The Corporate Pimps", and they were saying that lap dancing equals prostitution. And this had been all front room, and no FS.

If you asked people on the street, conservative people, I believe that hearing what Lap Dancing entails, they would agree that it is prostitution.

But if you did it pertaining to a real defendant, I think people could be gotten to take it as harmless.

Jim and Artie won, and Feinstein was humiliated. Then after the clubs went to booths, backrooms, and FS. But the front room friendliness factor, and the GFE, got destroyed as DeJa Vu came in and turned these places into the modern version of clip joints.

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Now these rules you speak of for San Antonio, those are not actually the law, they are just things they try to bully club owners into accepting. We have the same sorts of things here, and they are completely destructive.

And this is why I went right away for the underground circuit, besides also liking AMPs.

And because of San Francisco, our local DA's have been ruthless. They know that losing one trial could make this county the same as San Francisco. So they make sure that defendants, like the people who ran the best of our underground circuit do not get a trial. They hit them with so many huge charges that they are intimated into pleading guilty.

SJG

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There had been a thread long back about the early days of UHM in Texas and the "chair forts", in Dallas and Houston. Improvised privacy partitions made out of chairs, boxes, and blankets, anything.

I imagine no house cut, and very friendly all GFE girls doing that. Less house involvement makes it better. No real rules, probably not in the front room, or in walking a girl out the door either.

Some Houston places known for UHM, and some El Paso places too, and talk of other places as well. Lots of strip clubs in Texas, compared to other states.

SJG

I agree with Stanky on this post. One of her brighter comments, recently. Maybe she is off the loser leaf today.

"What happened to good ol’ prostitution=actually sucking off a customer?"

Good point nicespice, if dancers are going to risk a prostitution charges over these frivolous types of things all dancers should just go ahead and and suck off their customers.

As for weird laws about prostitution, there is a club in a small town south of Columbus where local law makes it prostitution for the girls to ask a customer if they want a dance or for a dancer to discuss prices with a customer. The customer has to be the one to ask for a dance and the prices have to be set and discussed by the bartender. The law also require the dancer to keep 1 foot on the floor at all times. Needless to say even by Ohio standards this club is a waste.

^^^^^ Just start handing her money and getting to know her and get a front room makeout session going. Then hand her more money and invite her to the back room. Then take her home with you.

She doesn't have to offer anything or ever discuss money.

Columbus, you mean South Carolina, where there was a huge and really flaky crackdown recently?

Good points, that if the law is to be so silly, then dancers might was well just give all they can.

It will become like Mexico!! :) :) :)

And good thread NiceSpice.

SJG

Generally, I am willing to bend the laws and the club rules a bit. What I am not willing to bend is the dancers rules. She is my partner in this adventure and we need to trust each other.

Of course you cannot bend the dancer's rules. Everything has to be by consent. But usually the more friendly you are getting with her, the more she will open up.

The problem here is just that many clubs, pressured by LE, have idiotic rules.

SJG

I hace no idea why Texas laws are so dumb, from the images of the college football and basketball ganes, their is an abundance of eye candy talent in Texas.

Too bad, it will never be a mongering destination.

Thank goodness for COI and Tijuana.

“On a side note, I don’t know what’s up with this notion that mixed drinks are short poured. There was plenty of vodka with my cranberry.“

If you ever meet me, you really should try VODKA-INFUSED WINE! My favorite next to Everclear. But, since I can only find Everclear on the rivers during a float trip, VODKA-INFUSED WINE is my next go to.

Laws are funny. MO has shitty laws, but depending on which hick town you are in, the rules are bent in various directions because the local LE are the bouncers. They tend to be worse Perverts than even a TUSCLer. Illinois is the same way. All in vs nothing risqué, depending on city and local LE.

Doing anything which a reasonable individual would see as being done for someone's sexual pleasure, in exchange for money, is legally prostitution....

a dancer is paid to dance, not to get guys off...

SJG. I agree that some clubs do seem idiotic in their rules. I have also noticed some dancers are favorites of mgt and get away with more.

Icey, prostitution is notoriously difficult to enforce.

Dancers get tips from customers. So what goes on is between the dancer and the customer. Both are adults.

Lots of grey areas, and areas which may not be grey, but are the doings of consenting adults.

FishHawk, you are correct. For myself, I never engage with women in a non-civilian manner.

SJG

@ cristobal yes there is a country song called god bless texas should be god bless tj. Viva mexico

Aaaaand Icey went completely off topic. Moron.

Viva Mexico, and may US clubs get to be like that. Good way to make it go that way is to apply some charm and some generosity and get front room makeout sessions going. After that, girl will do what you want, even if that means walking out the door with you.

SJG

->“Paint on boobies? You mean fake topless? I know they would not like that. If you mean really paint on boobies, they might think it is supposed to be licked off.”

I imagine it would take grows. I dislike when customer try though. It takes forever for that stuff to dry so if i have to reapply it...

Do you mean simulated boobies, created by paint?

Or do you mean real boobies decorated by paint?


I any event local clubs cannot have topless w/ alcohol, special county rule added to alcohol rules.

Paint decorating boobies would be okay, so long as there is no contact and topless rule not violated.

Simulated boobies, there could be problems with that. Seen pasties that look like real aureole. But that kind of stuff is rare and could be in violation.

Long list of very detailed coverage rules which local clubs are bullied into complying with.

By contrast, in an AMP, customer is supposed to get naked, and in FS session girl will get all the titty sicking and DATYing a girl could want, and usually lots of DFKing to start off.


Not really sure Nicespice why you would be concerned with paint. Are you applying paint to your boobies, and why?

SJG

^because if I didn’t, I wouldn’t be allowed to work. Oh and not only do boobs have to have fabric paint on top of it, the butt has to be sprayed as well

I have heard of things like that before.

You mean that you cannot show boobies or tush. But this paint is enough to count as coverage.


It is not done like that in this county.

1. Nude okay if no alcohol.
2. Bikini minimum if alcohol.

Paint or see thru does not count as covered.

Also, zoning rules and rules against off stage nudity. 6 ft minimum distance from customer on 18" stage, or tush must be covered.

Very detailed anatomical rules about boobie coverage. Some types of swim suits do not count.


I have heard about paint or makeup on boobies at a club in Modesto.


Most of this is not really the "law", they are administrative policies which clubs are bullied into going along with.

The "adult entertainment license" is a way of making rules of the type which courts had struck down in the 60's and 70's.

For example, most of such rules do not apply anyplace else. Like they would not apply on the sidewalk in front of the club. Nudity prohibitions are not that strict. No law against DFKing either.

Obviously such rules spoil clubs, spoil the mileage, spoil the GFE potential by interfering with development of rapport with dancer.

Our underground circuit has been infinitely better.

SJG

Nicespice, you talked about a membership strip club in Austin.

As that is not a retail venue, it is probably exempt from all such rules.

Can't serve alcohol. Still restricted by prostitution law, but in such a place enforcement would be very difficult, and there would be no public mandate.

So probably no limits front room, back room, or on walking a girl out the front door.

SJG

“One of her brighter comments, recently. Maybe she is off the loser leaf today.”

Ironically, I was pretty buzzed when I made this thread

Could you substitute a T-shirt and a little tush cover. And then maybe these don't stay on in the dance booths. Maybe they don't stay put during some front room friendliness?

SJG

Texas, like Vegas, sounds like a destination to avoid for mongering.

^I think the TUSCL consensus is that if you like high mileage lappers, it’s plenty good.

Reliable FS venues though, is less of a thing.

Though Houston still has plenty of a certain reputation among dancers. But mongers disagree. No idea why where

Cristobol I just disagree completely

And

“I imagine it would take grows. I dislike when customer try though. It takes forever for that stuff to dry so if i have to reapply it...”

HOW MANY FUCKING TIMES DO I HAVE TO SAY IM SORRY!!!!!!!!!!!!

Come to Detroit, Nicespice. We don't have no stinking rules.

I always thought Texas had good clubs with liberal laws. Please tell me the covered nipples thing is only in San Antonio. That's an immediate no go from me. Austin no grinding? Another no go. And if they can't sell blocks of time in Dallas then what do they do? Even selling a dance is basically selling 3-4 minutes.

Interesting. I haven’t been to Baby Dolls Dallas in a few years, but I remember the little “VIP” alcoves on the main floor, and I believe there were rooms on the second floor. I did one if the main floor VIPs. I can’t remember the price but I’m pretty sure it was sold as a block of time, either 15 or 30 min.

Lol muddy.

@tfp yes as far as I know it’s just SA that does the pasties thing. As far as Austin, not really, but I think there have been crack downs in the past few months on that. One manager at one club (who has never liked me anyways) threatened to move me to dayshift over grinding. And even the extras club cracked down on it, but that’s just cause the owner wanted more cabanas sold. But it’s always been a law on the books, and something to keep in mind it LE ever shows up. I haven’t worked in Austin at some point since April so idk what it’s like now.

@docE As far as the Baby Dolls time block thing, that’s a weird thing I only learned about today. There are alcove areas customers can access for buying a bottle. I guess it’s like the dancers push it and the managers just try to pretend it doesn’t happen? Idk I’ve only worked on shift so far

Yeah, I remember the bottle thing now. I’m pretty sure the dancer sold me a block of time, but once we had a deal and were in the alcove, the waiter/bouncer brought over a bottle with a sparkler attached to it, taking an indirect route so everyone on the main floor could see it. I hate it when they do that. They should just stick a sign on the customer’s forehead that says “sucker.” It would be less embarrassing.

Honestly I love TX clubs. I usually don't fuck ITC anyway and I'm generally not interested in girls that do - I take that action OTC. There are very few other places in the country where you can find full nude with byob that includes carrying the whisky bottle around for others to share. After passing around enough Crown shots late into the night and tipping liberally, I can find my way to whatever else I want just fine.

Platinum Plus clubs would have the waiter walk around the room with a champagne bucket full of steaming dry ice on the way to the $300/hr Champagne Room. Sometimes the DJ would even comment on it.

Who knows. Law makers are not always the brightest crayon in the box

Yes, all you guys please stay out of Texas...heh-heh-heh.
I've had the highest mileage you could ever want at San Antonio clubs. They only wear latex if they expose their tits onstage. If they keep their lingerie on, that means you won't have to deal with vulcanized nipples back in the VIP. Given the choice between nude breasts onstage and nude breasts in my hands, I'll always go with the latter; I'm not there to watch dancing.

@dirtysecrets thanks for clearing that up. I wouldn't get nearly as excited grabbing a boob that had some pastie or latex covering the nipple. But I'd rather have that then the shitty SF law that doesn't let dancers dance topless in your lap if alcohol is served in the establishment. So at a topless, alcohol serving SF club, you can't get a topless floor dance.

I notice all your reviews are for Texas clubs. Have you ever been to any famous high mileage areas like Detroit, Miami, or COI? Wondering how your high mileage San Antonio experiences might match up to those.

NiceSpice, I still think the t-shirt and the tush cover would be better than the spray paint or pasties. More slippery.

Is all of San Antonio like that, no real topless or nude?

Are the other clubs dives, higher mileage, higher front room friendliness, so you don't want to work in them?

SJG

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