OT: Socialism as a Millennial religion

Geezaloo Papi what’s with all the politics lately, can’t we talk about lapdance pants, song counts, or something strip club related; )

Lmao I want to marry Mr. Chulo. Love the posts.

^ Homo;)

Band twentyfive - he ain't down with us no mo'

Rong, Cflock says you’re a homo ;)

twentyfive is a closet-liberal - band twentyfive!

^ ;))

I put the blame on the education system. High school and college have become indoctrination camps. They don’t teach students how to think, they teach them what to think. The only way to get a passing grade is to parrot the teacher’s ideology.

Papi, that article is off by a century. It was at the beginning of the 20th Century that the labor movement took off and would bring us the 5 day 40 hour work week, and the minimum wage.

Today its like Buckminster Fuller said, we already produce enough to let every person live better than royalty had in past centuries. But the reason we don't see this is that we demand that everyone prove that they can earn a living.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_P…

Everyone should feel entitled to a good life, as this is the benefit of peace in an advanced industrial democracy. But if we don't claim this and if instead we let the forces of Capitalism rule, then they will bring us more war in order to consume the gross excess.

The End of Work and the Case for Universal Basic Income
Andy Stern, former President of the Service Employees International Union (SEIU)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKzNBXFn…

And notice the date, Nov. 18, 2016, repudiating the neo-liberal Democrats in the wake of the total disaster of the 2016 election.

SJG

Alec Baldwin: Trump's 'SNL' Attack May Be 'A Threat To My Safety'
https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/alec-bald…

Kim Kardashian
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/kim-…

Thierry Mugler
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thierry_Mu…
https://www.muglerusa.com/
http://www.livingly.com/The+Most+Beautif…

Intimidation, Pressure and Humiliation: Inside Trump’s Two-Year War on the Investigations Encircling Him -- New York Times
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/19/us/po…

Aug 8, 1974 GOLDWATER, SCOTT, AND RHODES, SPEAK TO PRESS AFTER VISITING NIXON
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsMxzORF…

Venus, Shocking Blue, actually live, with only what you see on stage, and not hamming for the camera, quite good, a coffee house grade performance
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWb8_DH8…

LOS BRAVOS-Black Is Black
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=060KBHse…

Fucking Millenial losers.

Mark94, you sound just like Dougster. He wanted the poor to be placed under whip wielding task masters and made to scrub the sidewalks with their tooth brushes. It's just like how the Nazi's needed to see Jews shoveling snow. You believe that the concept of work should be manipulated to deprive people of their basic humanity. You believe "work sets you free", Arbeit Macht Frei

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arbeit_mac…

SJG

Alvin Lee – The Bluest Blues
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rB6OlJqV…

No SJG you are the only one that wants that and only one who ever talked about it and wishes for it.

It is really hard to straighten out a society that has an entitlement mentality. The next generation feels the same way - they are owed a better life and will vote in politicians who will debase the currency to dole out jobs. Argentina comes to mind... A country that once had a GDP comparable to the US. It has been hindered by socialism for 80 years or more.

People should feel entitled. They are entitled.

SJG

"Everyone should feel entitled to a good life" as opposed to everyone should be entitled to the right to strive/work for a good life...........the opportunity not the prize.........too many damn participation trophies were given out at a young age.

Equal opportunity should be mandated, not equal outcomes/success

^^^^^ Thing is, in an advanced industrial democracy where we already produce more than is needed, but we are reaching environmental limits, the very idea of success versus failure, becomes nonsensical.

And busts are caused by over production and over consumption. The Busts are caused by the Booms.

And UBI is just a minimum floor, nothing more.

SJG

In the US, the real issue is just that we already have grossly excessive access to all forms of material wealth. I'm talking about the life support, that which we need to live aboard spaceship earth, not the nonsense of money and stocks.

So then because of this we have all kinds of stupid stuff going on, gutting labor, consumer, and environmental protections to try and create more jobs. Bullshit industries which support the middle-class family by medically abusing children. Industries designed to abuse the poor with "Work Readiness Programs", and then just the vast expansion of our prison complex.

It is not quite like this in the developing world. But yes, in the end this does play out in the entire world, and this is where we have to look to solving the problems.

Like we cannot solve economic and social problems which are starting in the United States, by building a wall on the border of Mexico, or by scapegoating immigrants, or by scapegoating our own poor.

SJG

The End of Work and the Case for Universal Basic Income
Andy Stern, former President of the Service Employees International Union (SEIU), author of Raising the Floor: How a Universal Basic Income Can Renew Our Economy and Rebuild the American Dream, and Senior Fellow at Columbia University's Center for Business, Law, and Public Policy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKzNBXFn…

How Ayn Rand Became a Hero to Right Wing Nerds -- Thom Hartmann
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZY1ik8bu…

Thom Hartmann: Atlas Shrugged - bizarre philosophy at work -- Thom Hartmann
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHnnnmuY…

Alec Baldwin: Trump's 'SNL' Attack May Be 'A Threat To My Safety'
https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/alec-bald…

Kim Kardashian
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/kim-…

Thierry Mugler
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thierry_Mu…
https://www.muglerusa.com/
http://www.livingly.com/The+Most+Beautif…

Intimidation, Pressure and Humiliation: Inside Trump’s Two-Year War on the Investigations Encircling Him -- New York Times
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/19/us/po…

Venus, Shocking Blue, actually live, with only what you see on stage, and not hamming for the camera, quite good, a coffee house grade performance
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWb8_DH8…

Alvin Lee – The Bluest Blues
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rB6OlJqV…

JEFF BECK -Brush With the Blues
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlqyLqDt…

Joe Bonamassa - I'll Play The Blues For You
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-Jzcu5S…

Joe Bonamassa - "Breaking Up Somebody's Home"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DxaVOeu…

Joe Bonamassa - The Thrill Is Gone
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CD1CYMPN…

Always amazing that those who earn and contribute nothing seem to feel they are in the best position to know what is just and fair; how much is too much for other people; and the unimportance of work for everybody, except the people you plan on paying you to not work.

Or, maybe Americans are finally more exposed to the rest of the developed world and we want what they have too. Imagine that, a society based on people's needs rather than on the privileges of the rich.

More than 1 billion people have been lifted out of extreme poverty since 1990. In 1990, nearly half of the population in the developing regions lived on less than $1.25 a day. This rate dropped to 14 per cent in 2015. At the global level more than 800 million people are still living in extreme poverty. It is projected that extreme poverty will be completely eliminated by 2030.

This is due to the spread of the free market economy which not only ends poverty but makes some people wealthy. I can live with that.

Skibum609, Very few people do paid work which actually serves people's needs, and especially if they are highly paid.

Those in greatest need are those who have zero money to pay.

Lots of work needs doing, but it is not paid work.

SJG

No Mark, its due to the spread of Industrial Technology. The spread of Free Market Capitalism is what is going to do the US and all of these developing countries in.

SJG

Europe became more socialistic because we subsidized billions of their defense. Trump got them to pay more. Let's see how that affects their socialism.

We were moving slowly but steadily to the Left, being in sync with Western Europe up through the mid-60's.

But then Nixon unveiled his Southern Strategy pandering to racism, and then the Republican Party started investing in Christian Fundamentalism, to get us back on the Right as we are today.

Western Europe on the otherhand had continued moving to the Left.

SJG

So DC are you saying a wall will solve the immigration problem ? Because guess what or more to the point have you not heard about Germany and Border patrol....btw my source is the NY Times--July 2018 to be exact.

We aren't like Europe for a lot reasons, many of them good reasons.

The US spends a huge amount on Defense. But Europe does not need this, and it does pay for its own defense. And socialism does not compete with defense spending.

It is the American Empire, which needs this hugely overblown military, and always works so hard to manufacture new enemies.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/080508…

SJG

We aren't like Europe because we have a huge history with racism and playing black and white working people off against each other. And we are not like Europe because we are more deeply bound up with the worst sorts of Christian Fundamentalism.

And there are immigration tensions, as there always have been, but no crisis.

Germany in an interesting case, both good and bad, and Germany has its own negative history which still rears its ugly head.

SJG

All of you guys that are so hot for the benefits of Europe, don’t realize there is a lot less upward social mobility hardly exists there. There’s not a lot of going up the ladder and it’s a lot harder to start a business, it ain’t what you think it is.

But what we have in terms of upwards social mobility and ease of starting a business are directly at the expense of other people.

The net result of this is negative for everyone.

SJG

Everyone agrees Boomers are the worst right? So lucky, so entitled.

Christian Fundamentalism is actually a reactionary political project.

As Michelle Goldberg calls it, "Christian Nationalism".

They have their abstinence industry, and they have their intelligent design industry.

And all of it is used to say that the poor deserve to be poor.

So I disagree with you.

The I AM A CHRISTIAN MOVEMENT is total bullshit.

SJG

You missed the point DC....you want to be like Germany....Germany is in the process of moving forward with a wall.....again I'll repeat what I have said often, liberals tend to have a micro view on issues.

^@James SD

Everyone agrees Boomers are the worst right? So lucky, so entitled.

LMFAO ;))

Germany has its own problems, its own Right always resurfacing.

DC, I am involved in stuff on the ground. The abstinence and intelligent design industries are alive and well. The I AM A CHRISTIAN MOVEMENT has created its own god, by a literal and prescriptive reading of the Bible. Its purpose is to claim superiority and dominion over the rest of us.

SJG

Define Muslim immigrant. Are you talking about Somalians, Bosnians, Indonesians? The far right is a much bigger threat in the EU.

Free college is an extremely good idea. That is something we want people to be doing. We all benefit from it.

You cannot hermetically seal the US. We have to cut down the demand for drugs.

SJG

And, the I AM A CHRISTIAN MOVEMENT is entirely based on a prescriptive and literal reading of the Bible, demanding the people profess allegiance to a god of their own making. It is idolatry pure and simple.

SJG

Christianity and the born again Christian movement, are huge among young people.

People under 40 do take it seriously. Mega churches are real big here, and I have been tracking them and working hard to understand the people.

I am not saying that their women are totally unfuckable. But what is more important is that they believe that they are superior to other Americans.

SJG

@SJG
>But what we have in terms of upwards social mobility and ease of starting a business are directly at the expense of other people.

The net result of this is negative for everyone.<

You're free to move elsewhere, good time for you to start that business you yammer about in Mexico, if you move quick you'll get there before that wall is finished and you won't have to sneak across the border south bound.








Jackass

^^^^^"More and more, I see Americans resenting the way our system is run and wanting to move to something like Germany's or the Netherlands. "

Fucking Millenial retards.

IT depends, I think Christians are fuckable with a little work...they still have needs no matter how repressed they are

Strip clubs have nothing to do with how Christian the surrounding area is. There are extremely conservative parts of the country because of religion. We're not Italy or Brazil.

Christianity improves sex? How? By making married couples dedicate a day to fuck to reproduce? SJG is right about the whole mega church culture, its far from sex positive.

€^^^ Look I don’t think it’s Christianity that SJG is against, I just think he has a chip in his shoulder since he has nothing in common with them and finds it really hard to fit into and belong to a group due to his social awkwardness. This resentment SJG has because of his own shortcomings has fostered a deep hatred for anyone different than his thinking, which is plentiful due to his constant postings against Christians, white people, conservative values, and the regular PL who goes to get lap dances.

It doesn’t take too much intelligence to figure out SJG was the kid out on the
Playground walking around alone with his hands in his pockets entertaining himself because he had no friends. Arguing with him is pointless because no matter what amount of sense you make, he has too many emotional wounds from his past that he anchors to that he will never see the truth. He’s fucking crazy, just like all extreme liberals!

Religion coerces people into monogamy via fear of hell, social judgment, peer pressure, etc. And then it looks at sex as a way to procreate.... as much as possible, keeping a bitch pregnant and unable to sustain herself makes her monogamous I guess.

@Meat and you were the kid who said and did repulsive things for negative attention but was happy to get any attention at all coz your parents ignored you.

@DC you don't like promiscuous girls, yet love seeing escorts...okay. Promiscuity does lead to more people getting laid, they're having more sex. But go for the Christian girl. If she doesn't know if she wants to date, its up to you to make her want to. Girls like that expect the guy to make all the moves. Also, just coz a guy says she likes you doesn't make you closer to having a girlfriend.... ask her out, etc.

@DC I don’t dislike and neither do most here, allow me to offer you some advice
Don’t worry about who likes you or not, online it means less than nothing, and trust your first instincts about liking people, those that you dislike at first and try to overcome are trying to use you for their own reasons, the rest are just kidding around for the most part.
If your first instinct is to steer clear, don’t be so forgiving, you won’t get used so easily.

The lower income someone is, the more likely that they will have grown up with nothing but abstinence only education.

https://www.amazon.com/Red-Families-v-Bl…

Where as those young women slated for high income careers practice hook ups, and have contraception and the back up of abortion. These authors did not come to this position easily, coming from conservative backgrounds. But abstinence indoctrination does contribute to an economic divide.

The I AM A CHRISTIAN MOVEMENT is a political domination movement, trying to turn poverty into a cause for repentance and salvation seeking.

People make the pledge, because it gets them approval. Such people have a character defect.

SJG

Frances Fox Piven, Professor of Political Science and Sociology at the Graduate Center, CUNY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQBgRPtL…

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00IHG…

NOLO, Bourbon Street
http://doxyspotting.com/?p=131772

AZTECA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yS9WVbQT…

The lower income someone is, the more likely that they will have grown up with nothing but abstinence only education.

https://www.amazon.com/Red-Families-v-Bl…

Where as those young women slated for high income careers practice hook ups, and have contraception and the back up of abortion. These authors did not come to this position easily, coming from conservative backgrounds. But abstinence indoctrination does contribute to an economic divide.

The I AM A CHRISTIAN MOVEMENT is a political domination movement, trying to turn poverty into a cause for repentance and salvation seeking.

People make the pledge, because it gets them approval. Such people have a character defect.

SJG

Frances Fox Piven, Professor of Political Science and Sociology at the Graduate Center, CUNY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQBgRPtL…

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00IHG…

NOLO, Bourbon Street
http://doxyspotting.com/?p=131772

AZTECA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yS9WVbQT…

getting back to the initial posting, i think the attraction to socialism or some forms of it has more to do with a response to how corrupted the american government system has become, not a rejection of capitalism itself. our democracy is failing and people are looking, flirting with other options. our democracy has never been direct but it has become more and more indirect as more and more money has been allowed into the government (super PACs, endless campaigning, lifting of campaign finance limits, lobbyism run amok - all fairly recent developments like from the 80's/90's onward). Im not in favor of becoming France or Denmark - that type of set-up is literally Un-American but the american people are being squeezed financially from all sides like never before and our government was complicit. The balance of power has tipped to the paying lobbyist rather than to the voting constituent so in a way, capitalism has gotten in the way of democracy. congress changed laws to allow this and they can change laws to stop it (they wont, unless under duress) but at heart this is what the obsession with socialism is about - a failure of government not a failure of capitalism.
your average millenial may not have or understand the full picture of how we got here or of the dark flipside of true socialism but they understand that the current arrangement has largely failed average americans in recent times and will continue to do so.

Capitalism brings on death, Capitalism is death.

SJG

https://www.democracynow.org/2019/7/3/bo…

https://www.democracynow.org/2019/7/16/t…

https://www.democracynow.org/2019/4/18/w…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kdFkQ4w…

A truly inspiring vision:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9uTH0ip…

Maybe finally the insanity of Reagan and Voodoo Economics and of Striving to Get Ahead is being challenged.

All of us who had lived through that era have been adversely effected.

SJG

Alice Smith -- House of the Rising Sun
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2dthrNN…

http://alicesmith.com/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alice_Smit…

Cry -- Doyle Bramhall II and Alice Smith
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWey5olF…

Gary Clark Jr. - Bright Lights w/ Doyle Bramhall II, note the introduction of harmonic notes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_ZeDn-h…

A Landmark Study on the Origins of Alcoholism
https://getpocket.com/explore/item/a-lan…

Sounds a lot like the mindset of SJWs and feminists. Together with the millenials(lots of overlap) they will ruin America just like the UK.

This SJW concept is nonsense, as is anti-feminism.

But yes, moving to the Left does mean becoming more like the UK.

People in the UK have access to medical care. That makes a big difference.

The Green New Deal ( concept originally from Van Jones in 2008, as I know ) means good jobs, instead of just following people like Rick Perry and trashing environmental and worker representation standards, and giving tax breaks to create jobs which are highly questionable.

SJG

Papi,

25 is too smart to be a liberal. More a misguided conservative.

Europe is the single largest group of welfare recipients on earth. They sign an agreement with NATO to provide a minimal amount of military to the alliance and like left wingers everywhere, they lie, cheat and don't pay. The American taxpayer pays for their military which pays for their pathetic socialist states. EndNato and force those reprehensible leeches to defend themselves then we will see Oliver twist redux. Socilaism is a disease, like any other cult and the epriome of socialism is Venezueal, where it failed simply because they didn;t have us to pay for it. I look at SJG and I wouldn't even hire him to work in a parking lot at a public beach. Full disclosure: That was my job when I was 13 and contributing more to this country in one summer than SJG since birth.

@Clubber

>25 is too smart to be a liberal. More a misguided conservative.<

No not misguided just not such a pessimist
You see a glass as half empty I see it as half full

Agree skibum- the US worldwide defense umbrella essentially subsidizes many of these socialist countries which makes that model even feasible in the world.

Barring that, Socialism or the social welfare model could potentially function but only under the following conditions.

1. High IQ technocratic leadership
2. Authoritarian style government
3. No outside external threats

1 ensures competent leadership least suceptible to corruption and rent-seeking and 2 prevents the greedy masses from "voting" themselves more and more public benefits. 3 relieves public finances from large defense spending which can allow the funds to spent on social welfare.

3. Small homogeneous population
4. Restrictive immigration

3 prevents inter-group resentment and hatred due to perceptions of "leeching" off welfare and 4 prevents other countries from exporting their poverty by sending their poor to social welfare states where they will be taken care of.

The model seems to work in repressive Gulf monarchies and high IQ asian societies such as Singapore and japan.

Venezuela is a failure due to a low iq corrupt leadership aided by democratic mechanisms allowing the masses to vote themselves more and more free stuff.

The nordic countries could have sustained socialism - however their idiotic voting public and leaders demanded open borders and now those countries public finances are headed towards insolvency to support their new 3rd world guests.

All this to say, is that in our country with 300 million plus people of various racial and religious backgrounds at each others throats, middling IQ leadership easily suceptible to corruption, massive defense spending to police the world, and a large voting block with insatiable appetite for endless welfare spending AND completely open borders.....

Socialism in the US would be a utter and horrrific disaster.

Rather than decide if the glass is half empty or half full i just drink beer in a can so i can't tell

LOL

Words that end in ism render brain functioning useless in most adults. Boomer, Gen X, Gen Y, Millennial, etc.

that’s the way i deal with it too...

‘clink’!!!

The presently followed model, Trump being one of it's most extreme adherents, creates large scale poverty because it shuts people out, lots of people.

We will need to go to a UBI system. Either that or civil war.

The thing which is really holding us back in every way is simply that so many people believe in the Work Ethic.

Sometimes I'll refer to this as the Self-Reliance Ethic, to try and better show the full scope of it.

Either way it is completely nonsensical, and it creates national insanity. An advanced industrial society cannot operate with people believing that. Historically it has led to wars.

Seeing this is why Georges Bataille wrote "Accursed Share" in 1949, and envisioned a gift economy.

This also included commercial sex.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Accurs…

Like Buckminster Fuller wrote, we have the ability to take care of every person better than we did even royalty in past centuries. But the reason we don't see this is that we demand that everyone prove that they can earn a living.

SJG

25,

"You see a glass as half empty I see it as half full"

But you see, my friend, a glass is only filled to empty it! Therefore one should endeavor to empty the glass.

In an advanced industrial society, you really have no choice but to go to Socialism.

What seems to cause so much human misery and pointless and misguided efforts is simply this Work Ethic. It is completely nonsensical.

SJG

Teachers sue over student loan debts:

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/teach…

SJG

They have made electric mandolins, even solid bodies. The eight strings are in 4 pairs. Makes more sense now how someone could play it.



When a Bf-109 spared a stricken B-17
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpAJTURa…


Don't these two songs sound similar?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxEJ74n9…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7rFYbMh…

Guess this is supposed to have an acoustic pick up installed in it?
https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/…

And then

http://emando.com/

Sounds like both Jimmy Page and John Paul Jones have triple neckers

https://www.mandolincafe.com/forum/attac…