Made a club visit today and saw a dancer I'd met on a prior visit, very pretty model quality girl next door, nice personality. She recognized me, we talked for a bit and I took her to VIP. I wasn't really expecting much, last time she just stick-shifted and took my handle out to play with. She didn't give any menu that time and didn't ask for anything, so I gave her a conservative tip that time, she seemed happy with it. On this visit I didn't engage much differently, she wanted to grind me through my boxers and seemed to be getting off a bit. I hovered my lips near hers like last time not expecting much - not a single dancer ever has jumped to any real kissing, maybe fake kissing of my neck type stuff - but to my quiet surprise she started giving me soft pecks on my lips and i just went with it. We were soon making out and this lasted almost 10 minutes. It wasn't a porn star makeout, it was like one with a girl you just started dating but haven't had sex with yet.
How typical is that experience? This was a first for me. Most the dancers I've encountered are either "fun" but clearly faking being into me, others just want to get to business of $ for whatever, and some just stare off into space while doing a mix of air and mild grinding like they would rather be somewhere else. I've never had one seem to get into kissing and want to keep doing it for a while.
Very rare for me. I dated one dancer. We made out a lot. Outside of that nothing. I went for it one time with some super hot girl and got totally rejected. People talk about make out sessions on here, but honestly when was the last time you saw that? I don’t know about the back room, but the front room ain’t really good look. Especially from a dancer point of view.
Not very common at all among the 'regular' (non extra giving) dancers. In the other category, I'd imagine its up for negotiation just like any other act that you may you want. Playing devil's advocate though: Do you want to make out with a girl who's been sucking dicks all night long though?
With the caveat that I tend to develop CFs and ATFs -- and further, my relationship with my ATFs is often very arrangement-ish -- I won't say backroom kissing is common exactly, but it also wasn't so rare that I'm surprised about it. It merits a passing mention when I recount the action for my buddies on the ride home. I do note that the older I get, the more uncommon kissing becomes, which makes me think that it's one of those things for which there's a revulsion bar you have to pass, beyond paying her enough.
@playfulsteve Do you want to make out with a girl who's been sucking dicks all night long though? That's why Al Gore invented Listerine. @Subraman I do note that the older I get, the more uncommon kissing becomes, which makes me think that it's one of those things for which there's a revulsion bar you have to pass, beyond paying her enough. Makes sense. Unfortunately, the older you get, the more difficult it becomes to score that elusive GFE. If I ever make out with a woman who removes her dentures first, I'm throwing in the towel.
Full on make out? Only a few times, I think more common than you think, but not something I am usually into. I grabbed one girl by the back of her head/hair to keep her from making out with me while I was getting a HJ. She actually seemed to be more turned on from this tho and didnt stop, but she was also hammered. I have 1 I regularly make out with, but she is really annoying after and never shuts the fuck up.
The only true make out session that I had was about 15 years ago on the dark back area of the main floor. Took me by complete surprise when she wrapped her arms and legs around me, then lip locked me for 15 minutes. Since then, nothing.
Happens about 50% of the time for me in the back room. I enjoy it and look for it but every once in a while think about the fact that I’m not the only. Not a big deal though and a bit of whiskey makes me feel better.
I guess I'm some what of a romantic in that i really only want to kiss or DFK with someone I have real feelings for. Oddly enough I find kissing much more intimate than fucking. I believe that guys that truly want the DFK are really trying to replace something that they will never be able to achieve without P4P. I'm not slamming them, everyone has their reasons and their kinks. I just draw the line at having a fake relationship with them, I do not want or need a GFE. All I am really looking for is to have my nuts drained.
To answer a question: >>> Do you want to make out with a girl who's been sucking dicks all night long though?
It was very obvious in my time with her so far that she's not an extras girl other than direct hand play on the stick-shifter. She doesn't offer any menu, doesn't ask for anything extra. I may be wrong, but so far it doesn't seem to be the case. Her breath was totally fine and did not smell like mouthwash either.
I do not keep my life a secret, so I do not fall into your category. For me I enjoy the companionship of having someone else to talk to and experience things with. I treat the women like friends because they are my friends. I do not need to stick my tongue down their throat in order to be friends. The relationship I have with them is true and honest. I enjoy fucking them and spending time with them, they enjoy me paying them and I presume they enjoy spending time with me too. I have asked a lot of escorts and they generally agree with me that DFK is much more intimate. But it really comes down to what you enjoy and I'm doing what I enjoy.
As far as your not being able to understand the way another person enjoys things, that is probably a personality fault. I understand completely why you would want a girlfriend/fakegirlfriend. That is just not what I want. My opinion is that Sex Workers are there to have sex.... not be my girlfriend. There are professional cuddlers if that is your thing, visit them. So while I don't want the same things others do out of a sex worker I can understand why you would act the way you do.
Relate it to another recreational activity.
Football:
- I can never watch a game and have my friends just tell me about it - I can listen on the radio - I can read about it online - I can watch it on tv - I can go to a sports bar and watch it with others - I can actually go to the game
These are listed in order from cheapest to most expensive but also are all valid ways of enjoying the football game. I enjoy going to the game and having other people there that enjoy it also.
I don't think I fall into that category but do have a perspective about it from the other side. I like to nut (or should I say NEED to nut) just like anyone else and if that's all I want to do then I can fire up some porn and go at it.
I crave the human touch part, and since I am often times not in a relationship and not able to quickly jump into one like most people seem to be able to, then I need a way to satisfy that need. I have found if I get the human touch aspect 1 or 2 times a week, I am far less likely to fall into depressed or irritated moods. I also am drawn to the fake relationship where I focus on a specific girl or two and am happy to see them regularly than trying to find a new girl constantly. I'm not referring to strip clubs, that is only a recent activity of mine, I'm talking about p4p. I am a miserable failure at one night stands and am often also working and not exactly able to date normally. But I have human needs and often they are just physical needs but a good amount of the time they are needs of craving that can't be satisfied by just whacking off.
The love doll thing is just weird, it seems like that is the path of people who are both extremely desperate or mentally ill. Maybe it it was a fully functioning robot that came across like a real human it might make sense.
I do understand that any p4p relationship is not a genuine relationship but when comparing that to nothing then I choose that even if it means the illusion fools me sometimes into thinking it's real. My logical mind knows it's not real but it feels real enough to the part of my mind that has the craving of human touch, wanting to be wanted, wanting companionship and a feeling of caring.
When I've been going to strip clubs, it's been all about entertaining the pure sexual and in a way that doesn't need to be scheduled. Most clubs are open late and there's usually always at least one girl I'd be up for doing pleasurable things with. It is in those cases just to nut but with the touch of an attractive girl to make it happen is so much better than a solo adventure. Of all the times I've gone to strip clubs now, since that is all it's about and that's all I have experienced, it was really a big change of experience to have this sort of more intimate type of thing happen.
It also seemed a surprise since I had seen this girl on stage the first time I ever went to this particular club and found her looks and vibe mesmerizing but had not been able to see her again until recently. Her shifts just never seemed to ever overlap when I went but I had always kept her in the back of my mind that if I saw her again I would get to know her. So when I finally did, this happened. Maybe because I wasn't treating her like a sexual object? Could have been my unconscious behaviors that opened the door to it.
you certainly come across as a condescending know it all prick here..... but your explanation just now makes a lot of sense, you really are just talking and have no clue what how you come across. Also the fact that no one has called you an asshole does not mean that you are not an asshole, it just means the people you interact with did not want to hurt your feelings
I don't think of him as an asshole for the most part. To me he exhibits signs of having Down Syndrome and he is certainly a loser, a stereotypical dumbass.
I've had exactly three strippers who made out with me regularly, all during lap dances. Two I still long for (they've both quit stripping), and the other I enjoyed thorougly but wasn't attached to. Of the first two I'm pretty sure I was one of the only ones they did that with, so I wasn't worried about catching something.
I guess guys that like the kissing are looking for the GFE.... I look more for the PSE, porn star experience. not worried about DFK but rather can you deepthroat me and lick my balls at the same time, if not can we call one of your friends
no problem here... all my dance partners love it and most of them initiate it.. Also get many front room kisses, but I wont make out in front room.. I do not like the attention and it can hurt her earnings. I have one in particular, that the more she gets turned on the more she tongue wrestles. She has absolutely no gag reflex and will deep throat my fingers also.
My devil's advocate statement was meant more for laughs, then being serious, even though the context I brought it up in is truly a legitimate thing to consider. I would imagine though, that those that enjoy the extras (myself being one of them), really don't care. Its being dirty that is the fun part! So enjoy the romance, enjoy the perverted behavior, enjoy both at the same time if that is your thing! We are all here together loving this hobby one way or another! Go Team PL!
It’s happened on more than one occasion but it’s not the norm. Usually I know if the girl is game for it before I go to VIP. I will say though that when the girl is into it, a good makeout session is one of the best parts of the SC experience.
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That's why Al Gore invented Listerine.
@Subraman I do note that the older I get, the more uncommon kissing becomes, which makes me think that it's one of those things for which there's a revulsion bar you have to pass, beyond paying her enough.
Makes sense. Unfortunately, the older you get, the more difficult it becomes to score that elusive GFE. If I ever make out with a woman who removes her dentures first, I'm throwing in the towel.
When I was young and broke getting the GFE and even free-of-charge OTC festivities with strippers was as easy as a walk in the park!
Now that I’m old and rich those are just fond memories.
>>> Do you want to make out with a girl who's been sucking dicks all night long though?
It was very obvious in my time with her so far that she's not an extras girl other than direct hand play on the stick-shifter. She doesn't offer any menu, doesn't ask for anything extra. I may be wrong, but so far it doesn't seem to be the case. Her breath was totally fine and did not smell like mouthwash either.
As far as your not being able to understand the way another person enjoys things, that is probably a personality fault. I understand completely why you would want a girlfriend/fakegirlfriend. That is just not what I want. My opinion is that Sex Workers are there to have sex.... not be my girlfriend. There are professional cuddlers if that is your thing, visit them. So while I don't want the same things others do out of a sex worker I can understand why you would act the way you do.
Relate it to another recreational activity.
Football:
- I can never watch a game and have my friends just tell me about it
- I can listen on the radio
- I can read about it online
- I can watch it on tv
- I can go to a sports bar and watch it with others
- I can actually go to the game
These are listed in order from cheapest to most expensive but also are all valid ways of enjoying the football game. I enjoy going to the game and having other people there that enjoy it also.
I crave the human touch part, and since I am often times not in a relationship and not able to quickly jump into one like most people seem to be able to, then I need a way to satisfy that need. I have found if I get the human touch aspect 1 or 2 times a week, I am far less likely to fall into depressed or irritated moods. I also am drawn to the fake relationship where I focus on a specific girl or two and am happy to see them regularly than trying to find a new girl constantly. I'm not referring to strip clubs, that is only a recent activity of mine, I'm talking about p4p. I am a miserable failure at one night stands and am often also working and not exactly able to date normally. But I have human needs and often they are just physical needs but a good amount of the time they are needs of craving that can't be satisfied by just whacking off.
The love doll thing is just weird, it seems like that is the path of people who are both extremely desperate or mentally ill. Maybe it it was a fully functioning robot that came across like a real human it might make sense.
I do understand that any p4p relationship is not a genuine relationship but when comparing that to nothing then I choose that even if it means the illusion fools me sometimes into thinking it's real. My logical mind knows it's not real but it feels real enough to the part of my mind that has the craving of human touch, wanting to be wanted, wanting companionship and a feeling of caring.
When I've been going to strip clubs, it's been all about entertaining the pure sexual and in a way that doesn't need to be scheduled. Most clubs are open late and there's usually always at least one girl I'd be up for doing pleasurable things with. It is in those cases just to nut but with the touch of an attractive girl to make it happen is so much better than a solo adventure. Of all the times I've gone to strip clubs now, since that is all it's about and that's all I have experienced, it was really a big change of experience to have this sort of more intimate type of thing happen.
It also seemed a surprise since I had seen this girl on stage the first time I ever went to this particular club and found her looks and vibe mesmerizing but had not been able to see her again until recently. Her shifts just never seemed to ever overlap when I went but I had always kept her in the back of my mind that if I saw her again I would get to know her. So when I finally did, this happened. Maybe because I wasn't treating her like a sexual object? Could have been my unconscious behaviors that opened the door to it.
Lately, I've changed my approach to allow a little more intamcy which has led to more kissing which has lead to better sex.
If you find a dancer that kisses and you enjoy that type of intamcy, don't let her go.
Also get many front room kisses, but I wont make out in front room..
I do not like the attention and it can hurt her earnings.
I have one in particular, that the more she gets turned on the more she tongue wrestles. She has absolutely no
gag reflex and will deep throat my fingers also.