Mueller Investigation

I'll assume that you really want to know. You can find out all about the on-going crimes of the Trump campaign in reputable news organizations such as the New York Times or the Washington Post. For example, here is a recent New York Times article on the Russian contacts of the Trump campaign:

nytimes.com

Here's another article on the host of charges and convictions:

nytimes.com

I really try to avoid political threads on TUSCL. I don't think anyone's beliefs are changed through political arguments that quickly devolve into shouting and insults. But it you really want to learn, I'm giving you some sources.

Thanks Jack.

In other news today crazy joe was sent to North Korea for destroying a shitter in the Oval Office.

jack,

Just a quick note about your statement. You have to admit that "reputable news organizations" is in the eye of the beholder, correct?

Pretty sure either Kushner or Donnie Jr. will end up taking a fall. Collusion clearly happened. Don was just smart enough not to directly get his own hands dirty. But his campaign messed up bad.

James,

At lot of attorneys have said "collusion" is not a crime. I think they would have to find a something else to use for their "crime".

It's mostly politics - when the Dems do something, there ins't an outcry from the mostly liberal-media - the difference w/ Trump is that he and many of the people he surrounded himself with are not experienced politicians that know how to play dirty and not get caught - plus Trump is often his worst enemy by often not listening to the few experienced people around him (maybe he's used to surrounding himself w/ yes men/women) - the Dems would have probably done the same-thing if they had the chance, they just would have been sleeker about-it given them being more-experienced at the political-game than what Trump was running - it's not as if the Dems are self-righteous choir boys.

But - it's disconcerting the trail of bodies Trump has left in his wake - a big-part of it is probably due to him being so confrontational and making so many enemies - and surrounding himself w/ questionable characters.

Trump will probably be the first US President who serves prison time. They say that no he only stays in office because he knows that once he is out, he will be arrested.

SJG

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Papi,

Two words for ya', "The Dossier". They and their accomplices are pros! :)

"It's mostly politics"

Awfully vague -- but you do realize that both Mueller and Rosenstein are lifelong Republicans? I personally have complete trust in whatever Mueller comes up witb.

LOL at @Clubber for his comment about NY Times not being " reputable. The newspaper the single largest number of Pulitzers (followed by WaPo). LOL

"... It's mostly politics ..."

I doubt this investigation would be happening if Trump would have lost

"... It's mostly politics ..."

When Obama used social-media and the big social media helped his campaign, it was seen as a great strategy - when Trump did the same-thing then all of a sudden it has a horrible thing

Well, we're talking about the Meuller investigation, which we would not have it if Trump had not fired Comey. I have the highest respect for Meuller (a Republican and a war hero) and we should let him finish. His report may well be an anti-climax.

My proofreading is always better after I hit "post"

As I said @Dougster, my proofreading is always better after hitting "post."

^ Lol @ the truth!

"You have to admit that "reputable news organizations" is in the eye of the beholder, correct?"

Agree!

Actually no. There are fact based news organizations who can verify what they report. Then there is fox news. So reputable is not relative.

Trump has done a great job of expanding the meaning of fake news to include biased news

We're down to ticky tacky crap now like obstruction charges and purportedly lying to the FBI. This stopped being about collusion a very long time ago and has boiled down to a serious misuse of our justice system for political payback. It will all be over soon and we should no doubt expect a report heavy on hyperbole and innuendo, but absent and solid evidence of wrongdoing.

James,

As I said above, just a quick note about your statement. You have to admit that "fact based news organizations who can verify what they report." , is in the eye of the beholder, correct?

Speaking about fact based news and what they report is in the “eye of the beholder”, the truth is that every president has faced criticism, yet this presidency has factually had more negative news reported about him (Trump) than any other by a huge number! If that’s not liberal media bias at work, I don’t know what is.

Every time you turn on MSNBC or CNN, they orgasm in delight to report any negative spin on this current administration. The left is addicted to drama, and loves to play victims advocate even when the president is trying to help out for the overall good.

Do yourself a favor and skip watching the national news.

If not arrested by the US, then Trump will most certainly face German NGO's getting him indicted in the International Court, Crimes Against Humanity, over the separated children.

SJG

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Damn. I actually read an SJG thread before I realized what I was doing.

The guy who does not know what he is doing is Donald Trump.

SJG

Meat,

Bottom line, many if not most on the left think and make decisions based on their emotions. In President Trump's case, their emotion is hate. Those on the right tend to use logic in their decisions, ergo a positive view of President for all the good things happening in this country, especially the economy. Of course the left will read this a act emotionally. It's just what they do.

Now those pesky Russians are altering Mueller's "evidence". This whole thing has turned into a complete joke and waste of taxpayer money. 66 year old Stone had more people sent to his house then were ised to kill Osama Bin Laden. If lying to congress is a big deal when are they sending SWAT teams with CNN in tow to pick up Hillary, Obama, Strzok,

Comey, and the virtually endless list of lying scumbags.

"66 year old Stone had more people sent to his house then were ised to kill Osama Bin Laden. If lying to congress is a big deal when are they sending SWAT teams with CNN in tow to pick up Hillary, Obama, Strzok,"

You nailed it and we still have people that don't see the hypocrisy because they're blinded by their hate for anything Trump or conservative.

ime posted: "Now those pesky Russians are altering Mueller's "evidence"."

Yup, supposedly in order to "discredit" (his words) the probe. Little does he realize that this whole circus act lost its credibility a long time ago in the eyes of all but the most die-hard anti-Trump fanatics.

Clubber,

I totally agree with you when you say the left uses their emotions to make decisions, hence the hatred. The right tries to use logic, and possibly rationalizes his stupidity (me included) even though I’m an independent voter. I’m just happy he is shaking up the status quo and pissing off thise lofetime politicians by trying out some logic on them.

This thread is either lowbrow comedy or slapstick I haven’t decided yet. BTW the right wingers are pretty emotional as well, if you can’t see it, you might be emotional;)

Yeah, but the liberals are crazy and more delusional as a group more than any other type.

^ not so sure about that, most true conservatives don’t hold rally’s where they incite a crowd with chants “like lock her up” Or become famous with an idiotic catch phrase like “your fired” yet IRL he uses subordinates to fire people because he’s a coward and can’t look them in the eye and be straight
Not saying that many liberals aren’t delusional, but this presidency is a disaster.

I actually think the right reacts emotionally. There have been some good studies that conservatives feel disgust a lot stronger than liberals. Usually liberals care about fairness a lot more than conservatives too. Anger is kind of a right wing automatic response to anything challenging.

The FAR left can be a bit weepy, especially extreme feminism. But these are the people who wonder if Kamala Harris and Corey Booker are too conservative.

Honestly, which party is anti science?

I'm confused how a probe that has led to multiple confessions and convictions can be a circus?

Stone went down. Donnie Jr or Kushner or both will be arrested at some point soon.

LIberals care about fairness if it benefits them, if you don't think like them you are literally Hitler. So fuck off with that, they say it it's a slogan but its not remotely true.

Mueller has proven he will do whatever he has to do to make arrests whether legal or not. He did let 4 innocent men die in prison who he framed. nytimes.com

Honestly at this point it seems like he has nothing, if he did they would have come forward with something by now. How long can this investigation go, how many people can he intimidate and coerce while fishing for whatever he can find. If you like Trump or Hate Trump, or fall in the middle where I do. I don't like a lot of what he does but compared to the alternatives he is much better, and Democrats have been throwing a tantrum for years now about this. This investigation needs to wrap soon.

Now I will leave this discussion for the rest of you guys, I have yet to see anyone change their mind on anything and everyone just keeps pissing in the wind.

Don't most investigations start with a crime and try to figure out who did it instead of starting with a target and trying to figure out what crimes he/she may have committed? Witch hunt?

The LIBTARD media is full of shit just like I am!

ROFLMFAO!!!!

They got starting probable cause with Trump trying to tell the Russians to interfere with the election. And they got people who have plead guilty to lying to the FBI. If what was done was illegal for them, then so to it is illegal for DJT.

SJG

25,

You might try rereading what I wrote about emotion and logic. Seems you missed the point.

It's the Right which runs on emotion instead of logic. Those on the Left are always trying to make Big Picture type arguments. Whereas those on the Right are just appealing to emotion. This is why talk radio and evangelical churches work out so well for the Right.

SJG

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^^^ Wrong again! Just watch your lame stream media news outlets like CNN and msnbc, you can hear their reporting playing on the heartstrings of their audience, always bringing up the victims and exploiting their story. Smh...

Haha SJG you are a fucking clown, the left doesn't care about facts or logic ask AOC or Pelosi.

@Clubber I got the point just fine you think that anyone who disagrees with you regarding Trump, is emotional, that’s ridiculous and you should know better, there’s no lack of emotional behavior from the right wingers. Only completely bubble wrapped individuals are unaware of all the hypocrisy stemming from their side, whether it is left or right, I’m a centrist and remember another centrist making a speech where he said “Mr Gorbachev, tear down that wall” and prior to him another centrist ordered an airlift to supply Berlin. So you see your guy is a nativist and there are better, and smarter solutions to get a handle on immigration than his crappy political gamesmanship. OTH if you like get the Mexicans to pay for it but, don’t shut down the government, he’s a moron, for trying to get the other side to go along with his ridiculous unfunded, campaign promises, it ain’t gonna fly. That’s not liberal or conservative, that’s just plain common sense. I actually believe we need a rule that prevents either side from shutting down the government, that’s really the equivalent of a kid taking his ball and going home so the others can’t play, but in this case the ball (our government) aint his, it’s ours, and it doesn’t belong to him or them, it belongs to us, let those fuckers do their fucking job, or get rid of them. BTW like it or not their job is compromise, not blindly adhere to one ideology or another.

^How about you go fuck yourself, stupid mumbling , inbred halfwit .

Txtittyfag, what this country does has to work for everyone, including our most poor and vulnerable, and including those we have as refugees.

SJG

@dougster I wouldn't know shit about your organizations, you dimwitted mumblety fuck, slither back in to the primordial ooze from where you came from, you mistake of evolution.

As I understand the investigation. They are looking for evidence of Trump conspiring with Russia, and are interested in his knowledge of hacked emails and their dissemination. They arrest long time friend/associate Stone for lying about his involvement with the hacked emails and their source (WikiLeaks).

So, if Trump did have anything to do with Russia and the emails, why would Stone need to be associating with WikiLeaks?

Trump's only out is essentially "my underlings acted without my knowledge or approval". Legally Watergate never stuck to Nixon.

Fuck Mueller

25,

Not what I said. I'll leave it at that, my friend.

Nixon had no legal out in Watergate, it was just that Gerald Ford pardoned him.

SJG

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^ "...you think that anyone who disagrees with you regarding Trump, is emotional..."

Yes. Now you get it.

As for, "I actually believe we need a rule that prevents either side from shutting down the government."

How about a law that says congress doesn't get paid and will not get back pay when the govt. is shut down?

^I’d support that and if you look at SJGs border wall thread you’ll see that I made that suggestion last week.

LOL, it is very rare that I read something SJG writes.

I completely agree Congress should not get paid during a shut down. Nor their staff. See how long it lasts when half your staff calls in sick.

Also the white house kitchen should shut down during a shut down

James,

We already saw the effects of that when the Clemson football team stopped be.. BK, McDonalds, Wendy's, among other assorted fast food.

I'm sure The Donald can afford to pay for a personal chef out of his pocket if he wanted.

Clubber posted: "We already saw the effects of that when the Clemson football team stopped be.. BK, McDonalds, Wendy's, among other assorted fast food."

This is not the first time he's dipped into that "things are so bad we're ordering fast food" well. He pulled a similar publicity stunt in the 90s when he publicized that he ordered McDonalds for a board meeting during one of his bankruptcies, to demonstrate of course just how frugal he was being. I am a Trump supporter for policy reasons, but I don't always appreciate the showmanship and I thought it was gimmicky both way back then and when Clemson came by.

Funniest thing is the players loved it.

"Everyone is hating on Donald Trump serving us Fast food at the White House but we enjoyed it," Renfrow tweeted. "We don’t get to eat fast food that often and to have a buffet of it in the White House?!? Nobody else can say they’ve experienced that. It was a blessing, keep doing you Trump."

A few were saying they only get to really eat the food that is provided them under scholarships at the residence halls and never really get to go out to eat so they liked it. I mean they are college kids. I don't think they usually even have a meal at these events. Fake news is gonna blow everything out of proportion every time. Orange Man Bad!

I could care less what they eat either way.

Fuck Meuller

The Donald is a cheap grifter. He wouldn't want to pay for a chef

People say he wants to be able to rent out parts of the White House, subletting to line his pocket.

SJG