What's the most you would pay for full service OTC with a complete 10?

Another important point: it's bareback. We've been hanging out for a long time and both know each other's histories really well, so there's no concern about going bareback.

In strip clubs in LV I paid $500 for a Spearmint Rhino girl, the session was at her hotel and was supposed to last an hour, it went way over that. She initially quoted $1k.

I would pay more than that depending on the actual girl and how good my luck had been on the craps table.

Generally speaking, the same that I pay to any hot girl.

Need more info. in order to avoid posting a rambling open-ended if/then post...

How old is she?
Does she have kids?
What region is she in?
How much did she quote?

Otherwise this is just a theoretical spinning of the wheels. ;)

10's are rare to find. I have paid $500/hr for a 9 before. She was a Cuban who goes by the name Gabby.

She was the most gorgeous girl I ever slept with. There was no way I could be able to hit that pussy without dropping some dollar bills.

She was worth every penny.

We ended up spending about an hour and half two together & she let me nut twice within those time period.

Everything was covered though.

If she clean just like me and she is a 10 then $500/hr - 800/hr seems appropriate

If she is a 10 & an Amateur Porn Star then 800/hr - 1000/hr seems appropriate

If she is 10 & a Professional Porn Star then 1200/hr - 1500/hr seems appropriate

But instead of paying $1000/hr to a 10.

You could get a 7 or even an 8 for about $1200 overnight depending on your bargaining power.

rickdugan - you're right!

How old is she? 23

Does she have kids? Nope

What region is she in? Midwest

How much did she quote? It takes all the fun out of the post if I say this upfront, but it's a lot more than other girls in the area charge.
She's also significantly hotter than any other girl you'll meet at a strip in this area, and it's in a girl next door sort of way. Let's just say her initial price had an extra zero on it. After I negotiated for a while it had an extra half-zero on it.

"10's are rare to find. I have paid $500/hr for a 9 before."

Evasparkling - i'm glad you made that comment. This particular girl is just going to hang out the whole night, dinner included. I'm paying by the night, not by the hour, and given this fact I've always considered her rate reasonable, even though others will do more for less, but in shorter period of time.

I've paid as much as $1200. But that was for a whole lot more than an hours worth of sex. I picked her up around 6pm, we went to the hotel for round 1. Then went to dinner, back to the hotel for round 2. Out to a club so that people would see me with this gorgeous girl, back to the hotel. Slept the entire night, then round 3 in the morning.

As far as just an hour's worth of sex alone, anything over $500 is too much.

It depends of a lot of factors, bu I have paid from 400 to 800 for Los Angeles area 10’s in looks and personality, worth every penny for GFE type of service.
If you think she is worth to you go ahead, but remember, you might have some expectations and she will have some expectations too.
Make sure you both are in agreement about everything is going to happen.
Since you drop her original price to half, don’t be surprised that she only puts half of an effort.
Be prepared for the worst and hope for the best.
Looks like you want this to be one time only, if you want to make this an ongoing relationship, make sure you are happy with the results.
In any case YMMV. Let us know all the details to provide you with more informed comments.
Thank you

In the midwest? She's quoting you a pie-in-the-sky number, no doubt in part because she smells your desperation. Hold firm at $500 and include a requirement for FS. She might not bite today or tomorrow, but Christmas is just around the corner and a 23 year old stripper usually spends money as fast as she can earn it. She'll invariably run low on cash for Xmas gifts and regular bills at just around the same time that her club income decreases in the lead up to the 25th.

I believe it's one of the most uncommon things to encounter a 10/10 in a strip club. My first visit to 4Play in LA years ago I saw a girl dancing on stage that was unequivocally a 10 in looks. Never talked to her, no idea about anything else. Of any club I have ever visited since then I may see many 9 quality ladies but personalities never go above 7 or 8.

Up until a few months ago I was having a long time p4p arrangement with what I would consider a 9/10 looks/personality and we saw each other regularly off the clock, max I ever helped her out with at any given time was less than $300.

Many years ago as a younger guy I partook in some high quality bookings through agencies but capped most encounters at $350. A lot of very attractive ladies but only 1 of which I would rate 10/10 and another a 10/9. Can't remember either name, I think the 10/10 was named Cara from a Miami agency. I booked just an hour but I don't think had any appointments after me as she seemed to be totally cool with me being there for over 2 hours. We fucked 3 times and in between I recall she got a call from her boyfriend right before we fucked another time. She had a perfect petite body, thin and curvy, tan olive tone skin and a face you'd find on the cover of a top fashion magazine. Perfect natural and perk C cups, I think she was 22 or 23. Perfect pristine pussy. She was sweet and bubbly. That appointment was $300. Never got a chance to see her again as her agency never sent her back to my area. Few years later I heard the agency got busted. Thankfully even with their screening process they never had any info of mine that was real.

"She's quoting you a pie-in-the-sky number"

This is true. But she's also miles ahead of the other girls.

"no doubt in part because she smells your desperation."

I disagree. She knows I get offers from other girls, and I've shared with her what some of them were asking. She knows I have a preference for her, obviously. But she also knows she isn't the only game in town . . .

"a 23 year old stripper usually spends money as fast as she can earn it. She'll invariably run low on cash for Xmas gifts and regular bills at just around the same time that her club income decreases in the lead up to the 25th."

This one is actually really smart and has her shit together. That, and I'm really busy during the holidays and probably won't get to see her. I'm thinking my chances for a better price will get better when her car breaks down, rather than during the holidays.

I guess I didn't answer the question.

I have experienced 10s for the $300 range up to $350 but not OTC from a club. Have not done that yet. If I were to have access to OTC with a true 10/10 from a SC, I would say $400 max. I supposed that sounds cheap, but I'm extremely good at negotiating and vibe decently with "working girls" (simply put I don't gross them out which diffuses common residences they're used to). I don't think I would even do that as it would probably require a hotel room too and no club near me where OTC would even be an option or desire would be close enough to my home. With hotel, I would say $300 maybe $350. Without hotel (my home or at her place), $400.

The best offer I've had so far was a pretty hot blonde from 4Play the last time I went say she'd come over my place for $500 when normally she does $1,000 and higher. I declined. She didn't bring up the discussion, though, I lead her to it out of curiosity. Sounded like most or all her clients (of which I gathered were at most 5-6 she rotated through) were elderly lawyer or doctor types that she provided sensual massages to. $1,000+ for just a jack-off to these dweebs, I think $1,500 if she did an extended menu with them and I talked her down to $500 for the whole menu yet didn't partake.

@Jeffmassages

“$1,000+ for just a jack-off to these dweebs, I think $1,500 if she did an extended menu with them and I talked her down to $500 for the whole menu yet didn't partake.”

That seems to be a bit of a dick move , why bother?

In all honesty, I wouldn't pay very much more than what I pay now. Not because I'm so fucking cool that I can't be bothered, but because:

- I've read dozens of after-action reports from guys who have spent $1k-$2k+ on their fantasy porn star, on their perfect 10 stripper, etc. The one thing they're nearly unanimous about is that it doesn't live up to expectations, and at BEST, they say, "I'm glad I did it but I won't repeat"; usually they just say it wasn't worth it.
- In general, I believe in the Dushku Limit theorem.
- I find my absolute best times are the 3rd-7th (or so) times I have sex with a stripper; sometimes, it continues to get even hotter for weeks or months, as limits get moved and we explore more. Still new enough to have that new-girl excitement, but we're hitting our groove as far as how to press each others' buttons. No interest in paying some inflated price for a super hottie, that I can't sustain for many OTCs to come.

She doesn't have her shit together as much as you believe. They never do and usually tell stories to the contrary to increase their value in your eyes. She's also probably not earning as much as you think, at least not consistently.

$500 firm with FS. That is very good money for the area and I doubt she gets offers like that all the time. If she's already having those conversations with you, they you have some rapport and she's almost there. Sooner or later she'll run into a rough patch and it will tip the balance.

Or you can act on the desperation that you falsely believe she cannot smell and pay her the pie-in-the-sky number, though once you do you'll have trouble getting her down to an easily repeatable number in the future.

"That seems to be a bit of a dick move , why bother?"

I agree. But when my CF told me her price my first inclination was that I was never going to pay it and the negotiating started just for fun. By the time I had cut her price in half, I actually started to consider it. If I do procure that specific service, it would be a one time thing, then we'll go back to our normal arrangement, which we both seem to be very happy with.

I see it as ordering lobster just this once when I usually order steak. No one on here has quoted a price in the ballpark of what this girl is asking. But most of the prices quoted were tied to much shorter intervals of time. She generally hangs out for six hours or so when we get together, which wouldn't change.

Interesting other topic should be a separate discussion, but as I've been kind of a sex addict for nearly 15 years I've noticed clear patterns that indicate when the best availability of hotties will be and when they will tend to need the most extra money, thus more open-minded and available.

* Before the end of a month (rent due)
* More common on weekdays than party nights, but LA throws this off a little as any night in LA can be a party night
* Early evening (before they go out)
* Before major family holidays, this would include Mother's Day as a lot of girls with daddy issues who do p4p overly love their mothers
* Almost never available before or during party holidays like Halloween, New Years, St Patty's...
* Almost never available when a major music festival is going on within 100 miles
* Almost never available early mornings (the only hot babes who get up early AM are fitness-centric or ambitious and if you happen to bag one of those who like to p4p with you, you will feel like a very luck man because these girls are usually smart & awesome on top of being cute as hell)
* If you are in a big city that has a busy nightlife and the girls you seek do have regular jobs (mostly server type jobs like hostess, bartender, bottle service) then late nights won't work for their schedule, daytime or early evening are best. If you are a night owl sometimes the best is to get them after their shifts, because if you have a nice place and they have at least some genuine attraction to you will stay overnight without any extra expectations - though they will tend to verbally set boundaries more often

Counting on random events like her car breaking down or getting unexpected big pet vet bills is not a reliable strategy. Timing the more consistent calendar-driven time frames is way more reliable.

If anyone wants to start this as a new topic, you can copy from my post here.

@OP Rick is 100% correct when he tells you, she doesn’t have her shit together, as much as you’d like to believe, in Golden Unicorns, if she’s entertaining offers from you she’s also entertaining offers from others. Sorry to bust your balloon but she’s not as special as you think.

"She doesn't have her shit together as much as you believe."

I helped her set up a brokerage account and execute trades. Trust me, she has her shit together and she's earning plenty at the club. She doesn't have to do full service. She knows it and she knows that I know it.

"Or you can act on the desperation that you falsely believe she cannot smell and pay her the pie-in-the-sky number, though once you do you'll have trouble getting her down to an easily repeatable number in the future."

It's not desperation. It's do I want to eat lobster instead of steak just this once. But you do make a very interesting point. I'm never going to pay this price more than once. But will her expectations change in a manner that I'm not expecting? My assumption is that we'd return to our normal arrangement (non-full service at a lower price), but hers might be different. That's a serious consideration that I need to put some thought into.

-->"But most of the prices quoted were tied to much shorter intervals of time. She generally hangs out for six hours or so when we get together, which wouldn't change."

My experience is that with OTC, unless you're with a high-volume stripper/escort, the prices quoted are "for the duration of the OTC, however long it lasts", not by the hour. They always last anywhere from multiple hours to overnight.

I see that the OP will keep shifting and embellishing this story until he succeeds in angling this into a never-ending trip down speculation lane.

OK OP, if this goofy fairy tale is even partially true, then stop asking us what we would pay because it doesn't matter what we would pay. She has told you her number and, pursuant to this poorly constructed patchwork of fiction, you have no leverage. So either pay her what she wants, if you are that desperate, or move on if you are not.

@twentyfive "That seems to be a bit of a dick move , why bother?"

Seems like a dumb question. We negotiate to see what we can get. Do you always pay for a service you negotiated for if the lowest negotiated price is still higher than you care for? If you do then you're kind of dumb.

Area has a lot to do with it. Repeating:

January 3, 2009
It was not a strip club and she was not a stripper. I guess that escort would best describe her. It was the early 70's, I was young and good looking and had money. It was my first night in Copenhagen Denmark on one week of a European vacation. The name of the club was the "Cockatiel" They would not let me in because I was not wearing a coat and tie. "Fuck this". I went across the street to another night club. They let me in. Most of the guys were wearing coats and ties and the girls 7-9 were in gowns and business suits. This was indeed the area where escorts picked up customers. But very pricey. $50 was a lot of money back then. "Fuck This" I left, got a taxi and he helped me pick up a $10 street walker. Went on to Frankfurt and Rome. More $10 street walkers. Wound back up in Copenhagen the day before my flight back to the U.S. I checked my wallet. It was still healthy. I decided to put on a coat and tie and go to the "Cockatiel"club. I had the money. Went to the club, was admitted, ordered a beer. "sorry sir, we do not serve beer here, how about some wine?" I said ok. He replied whole or half bottle? Ok I had my drink. Now to check out the girls. There were about 30 of them and as many customers. Everyone was dressed classy. None of the girls was less than a 9. I talked to a few. They were all multi lingual. and standard price was $50. That was still expensive but I came prepared to pay it. I just wanted to make sure that in my opinion she was the best looking girl in the club. I finally saw her sitting with some guys. Damn. I waited and then finally we almost knocked each other down. We drank some of my wine and 30 minutes later were in a cab headed for her apartment. Eat you heart Hugh. This is one you didn't get. She could speak 4 languages and fluently. When we arrived at her apartment, she asked me to open the bottle of wine in her refrigerator while she went to freshen up.It didn't take me longer to figure out that she really didn't live her. The wine was the only thing in there and the place was spotless. She came out in a negligee (see through). I never did see Tivoli Gardens.


That would be about $315 today but don't know what that works out to in currency exchange and my time spent with her was more like 2 hours. Definitely my only P4P 10.

"I see that the OP will keep shifting and embellishing this story until he succeeds in angling this into a never-ending trip down speculation lane."

Actually Rick, I simply asked the question "What's the most you would pay for full service OTC with a complete 10?" and for whatever reason you keep responding to the post without answering the question. Should we assume that you've never been with a 10?

It's as if you think I asked the question, "What's the cheapest way to bag a desperate slut?" And though I don't require help in this department, I do understand that it's a topic of discussion that is straight up your alley.

@ Jeff so being relegated to furniture is your goal, your time wasted is your business wasting her time is a dick move, seems to me you just want everyone to know how smart you think you are.
It’s backfired on you.

I'm just gonna take a guess she said something like, I'd consider it for 10k, and you talked her down to 5k?

Am I close?

twentyfive - are you assuming that Jeff didn't spend any money in the strip club while talking to the girl? If this is true, then I see your point.

But if he bought her a drink and planned on getting dances, then I'd say he can spend his time with her talking about anything that he wants to talk about. If he's paying a reasonable "in-club" price for her time and wants to spend it refining his negotiation skills, then I think he's at liberty to do so.

"I'm just gonna take a guess she said something like, I'd consider it for 10k, and you talked her down to 5k?"

Not nearly that high. But you have the right number of integers on each number.

@ eightball I’m assuming nothing, except for what he posted, and really IDGAF, what he does I’m just pointing out what he said and how it sounds to me.

For the girl in question, we were having a long conversation with her in my lap and I tipped her a couple of $20's. I didn't have to, I just did so to keep the interaction extended without wasting her time. I then got a couch dance with her, and that was it.

Good for you, like I said I don’t have a dog in this fight, or in the case of you joisey mongers a horse running at Monmouth;)

"... My CF doesn't do full service ..."

"... Another important point: it's bareback. We've been hanging out for a long time and both know each other's histories really well, so there's no concern about going bareback ..."

"... This one is actually really smart and has her shit together ..."


Seems your story is all over the place - is she gonna fuck you OTC, or do you wanna do OTC w/ her in spite of her not fucking???

And it seems you're throwing out all kinds of variables to justify (maybe to yourself) why you should pay her an exorbitant amount

For my dream pornstar in her prime I would go up to 1K. For a stripper that is a ten, $500.

I don't OTC much nor feel like I have to have a particular dancer so bad that I gotta struggle w/ the "should I or shouldn't I" - not that going after a particular dancer one finds really-hot is a bad-thing, I'm just wired differently being into variety vs sweating any one chick.

As others have mentioned, $500 is the most I'd pay to have a particular chick that I just had to have - and that would be for an hour - if we're talking a whole-day then I'd consider more (not past $1k) - I'm talking hypothetically here since I'd doubt I'd throw that much $$$ to a chick under my current financial circumstances - I can "afford it" but would not want to blow that kinda cash unless my financial situation was one where $$$ was no issue for me at all.

As others have also mentioned, I don't think paying way-more will lead to a way better experience; if anything it can degrade the experience due to the deleterious effects of GPS.

"Seems your story is all over the place - is she gonna fuck you OTC, or do you wanna do OTC w/ her in spite of her not fucking???"

We've been doing OTC for quite some time now. It's not full service, and from how difficult it was to get her to do OTC in the first place to reaching the point where she's always available for me even at the last minute, it's very conceivable that I'm still the only customer she's seen OTC (not that it really matters).

So we've got a 10, presumably not a whore, doesn't need the money, but when we were watching TV and the topic of all girls having their price came up on the show it changed our conversation. It's nothing she initiated. And when I brought it up in the past she simply said she wasn't interested (though we'd never discussed price).

"And it seems you're throwing out all kinds of variables to justify (maybe to yourself) why you should pay her an exorbitant amount"

No, not really. Just giving honest answers to Rick's pestering. As usual, he wants the discussion to be about something that it isn't. Though his comment about this changing the girl's expectations is good food for thought, so I'm glad he mentioned that. I'm not really trying to justify the price, just curious as to what others have paid for 10s. And the responses I've received are pretty much "all over the place" - from 10s don't exist to here's how to bag a cheap slut.

You still didn't answer the question - does this "hypothetical" expensive OTC include sex or not? If not then most hardcore SCers are probably not gonna be interested.

^ to pay top-dollar just for arm-candy

full service = sex

$300

what does having kids have to do with the price?

I had fallen in lust with a fabulous woman. She initially wouldn’t talk about OTC. So I did 5 $20 lap dances once or twice a week for about 8 or 9 weeks. Finally I texted her asking what it would take.
She replied that for $2000 she’d be my sex slaves for 24 hours. We ended up agreeing on $2000 for 2 two hour sessions, bareback at her apartment. As it turned out we ended up spending far more time together (and money out of my wallet).
Probably the best looking Latina I’ve met

Gods I love flyover country.

I live in the “Midwest”. It covers a lot of territory, from a market like Chicago to one like Smyrna KY. I can image that prices would vary widely.

The one certified 10 (though I suspect many would not agree with that number) I was spending time with wasn’t a stripper. She was a model I met on SA, who’s since hit the big time in NY and Chicago. Even she didn’t want that much. I was giving her about $1,500 per month, and she was willing pretty much whenever I needed and she wasn’t working. Ended up being a couple times per week at its height. Then she got her break and left town.

Oh, what the hell, I'll chime in here too.

I've never paid more than 300 for a romp with an actively working stripper. Usually for an hour or so. For over three years I would see a dancer who I considered just damn near perfect physically at that price. Eventually her attitude caused me to fire her and I wrote about it here in a post a couple of years ago.

Otherwise, I've paid a bit more for civilian girls and-or former dancers in a sugar daddy-sugar baby type relationship. These were always overnight visits, much more like dates than escorts, if you know what I mean. I've also paid less for these overnight romps.

I am currently seeing a 30-something French-Vietnamese girl who in some ways is a little annoying, especially her hard to understand accent. But she is a tiger in bed and absolutely gorgeous, especially when nude. The rate we have come to agree on is less than 500 and it's a good thing I don't live closer to her or I'd go broke.

5k, and you talked her down to 2500?

"My CF doesn't do full service. But she's so fucking gorgeous that I can't help but want to see her OTC anyways. And what she does let me do is a lot."

I'm curious what you're getting with your current OTC situation. BJ, HJ, DATY, naked cuddles along with all of the above, or is it just that you two hang out outside of the club and have a good time together?

Are you currently paying her for the OTC that you're getting, or has that been free so far?

"5k, and you talked her down to 2500?"

You're in the ballpark.

"I'm curious what you're getting with your current OTC situation. BJ, HJ, DATY, naked cuddles along with all of the above, or is it just that you two hang out outside of the club and have a good time together?"

A gentlemen never tells. But you've hit on some of the key activities above, and she does other fun stuff that a lot of girls won't do.

"re you currently paying her for the OTC that you're getting, or has that been free so far?"

Yes, I give her money.

"what does having kids have to do with the price?"

April9424 - any idea what it's like to be with a woman who has squeezed way too many infants out of that once tiny hole? If not, send rickdugan a PM. He can tell you all about it.

It started out as a $500 visit to her home for a “nooner” which in stripper time was more like 3:30 in the afternoon. I thought perfect because I’d go have fun then head home after rush hour. Well... turns out when I got there she’d been partying with her hott gf since they’d got off work at 2am. To continue the party cost me another $500 but now I’ve got two wild and drugged up strippers going at each other and with me. Next thing you know I’m driving them to the local drug dealers house where I spent almost $600 for party favors then got carry out dinner and a liquor store run. As best I recall my totals were around $2,000 that night but I’ll never forget it and I didn’t get home until around 4:00am so about a 12 hour binge with two of the penthouse clubs finest!

I paid DS I and II $1,000 for a date that lasted 8-24 hours. Worth every penny.

$300 for FS if a 7-10. When I want sure thing with a very HOT GAL, I pay $200 for sweet massage and FS at very accommodating AMP. KOREAN women are damn HOT!!!

$300 for FS if a 7-10. When I want sure thing with a very HOT GAL, I pay $200 for sweet massage and FS at very accommodating AMP. KOREAN women are damn HOT!!!

anything over $500 is too much. Regardless of how hot. If overnight and multiple rounds maybe you could justify more but one nut and one hour is way too little for more than 5

Currently, I’m thinking $500 is the very top of my range. I’d consider a dancer asking for more to be either indirectly saying no - or I’d think the dancer may have a GPS opinion of herself.

In the past - I’ve chased pussy for close to $1000 in a single night. It wasn’t worth it - but when a young guy is into the chase - it leads to poor choices.

I've offered 1k, she wasn't interested. Maybe for a last time, SC retirement thing, I'd do 2k.

I understand that the anticipation is heightened, but have you really found that her being a 10 makes the sex any better than it is with a 6 or 7?

Granted, much of the enjoyment is mental, but I'm talking about the act itself. Fantasy can take care of the differences in animal magnetism.

^ what a homo

Flagooner - I think you've given the best response yet. A 10 in physical appearance is not the same as 10 in the sack. There is a trophy aspect to it, being able to see her at the club later on and think to myself "I nailed the best looking girl here". But you're right, there's no guarantee that she'll be any better at sex than a 6 or a 7.

For the money she wanted I think I can get four or five 7s into a hotel room at the same time. I think that might be a better use of the funds, should I ever decide to drop that much on a single experience.

Thank you!

Beauty is a definite plus,. All else equal, the 10 before anyone else. But flagooner opened my eyes on this one. Beauty itself will not make up for bad sex--it's the equivalent of a restaurant trying to make up for bad food with an attractive waitress--but in this case the menu is so expensive that I decided not to order anything without a sample, regardless of how appetizing the pictures of their entree are.

good subject.