Who is behind the “caravan” ?
mark94
Arizona
VP Mike Pence just told us that the Caravan is being funded by Venezuela. However, Venezuela doesn’t have any money to sustain its own operational government – let alone a 10,000 person convoy. Venezuela is entirely reliant upon massive investment from Russia and China.
It makes sense from the perspective of China, Russia and Venezuela to use their alliance to create a border crisis between the United States and Mexico, especially since the interests of President-elect Lopez Obrador and President Trump are now aligned within the U.S-MCA trade agreement; which is structured to the detriment of pre-existing Chinese investment in Mexico under their prior -and corrupt- Mexican leadership.
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They're criminals and middle easterners financed by George Soros! They're gonna take jobs that no one else wants and It's all terrifying!
A second group of “refugees” is already forming in Central America, ready to march. It will not end there unless the first group is stopped.
With most political news these days its somewhere in the middle where the truth can be found.
Are you always such an idiot, or do you just show off when I’m around?
You wouldn’t know that from the profiles by the mainstream media. Women and children my ass !
Now to be clear, I am actually in favor of expanded immigration. Simply put, our population is again and we need fresh younger blood for a variety of reasons. But not like this, with this ridiculous gimmicky nonsense that was obviously organized by someone who doesn't have our best interests at heart.
In September, Fuentes began coordinating with groups dispersed throughout Honduras seeking to make the trek north.
The initial number of people involved was about 200.
“No one expected this human avalanche,” Fuentes told the Daily Beast in an interview published Tuesday.
What changed everything was a TV report on HCH — a Honduran news channel.
A woman reportedly part of the caravan told TV anchors of Fuentes’ efforts, and she mentioned “assistance.” The anchors then supposedly said Fuentes would pay migrants’ food and transportation costs — which he denied in an interview.
Still, thousands took a chance, since a human-smuggling “coyote” charges upwards of $7,000 to take someone across the US border.
The elite want illegal immigration because it keeps wages low. That means higher profits for the rich.
Right now, unemployment is at an all time low among black and Hispanic Americans. That won’t last if a flood of Central American “ refugees” enters the US.
I'm actually agreeing with Rick Dugan, he makes a lot more sense, than the bullshit you're spouting
That’s a big part of what Trump is trying to accomplish. More jobs and higher wages. That’s how you reduce poverty and get people off welfare.
Immigration is fine. "illegal immigration is not.
The other issue and I know this is going to make the more liberal of our posters scream but enough with the sanctuary city BS and states making up their own rules as they go along. I'd cut their federal funding so fast they'd find out what Public Sector bankruptcy looks like in a heartbeat.
Nobody here on this site has any insider information that can enlighten us on world politics, but thanks to OP Mark for his opinions. Quite interesting.
Here’s the thing that makes this whole thing nothing more than a red herring, most folks here illegally, came in legally at proper ports of entry, and just overstayed their visas To me a better solution would be to step up legitimate enforcement and end the nonsense about building a wall across the southern border, if you really want to build a wall, it should be a sea wall to prevent the effects of stronger hurricanes from destroying our costal areas the way they have been doing in the last dozen or so years.
The SO and I early voted on Monday about an hour before they closed, the first day we could. No waiting. I asked a few different poll works if it was slow like this all day. Each one of them replied an emphatic NO! I guess timing is everything. :)
I started early voting after waiting in line over 2 hours in 2008. Even so, seems the later in the day you go, the better.
On a percentage basis the caravan represents 2x10^(-7) percent of our population. They're coming here at 20 miles per day and will take about five months to get here. This is not a national emergency. The whole topic has been blown massively beyond it's importance by news outlets like Fox and Breitbart because of the midterms. Fanning the flames of racism and xenophobia is how Trump won and he's a master of manipulating stupid gullible people.
Blaming immigrants, lying, spreading propaganda, and criticising the ligitimate media are elements of fascism. Were not there yet, but it could happen. With the breaking news this morning, Soros, Bill & Hillary, and Obama have received suspicious packages recently. This is an ugly time for American politics.
And it takes away from the real issue: tax cut for corporate America that's blown nearly $800 billion dollars in the deficit. If the GOP takes both houses, expect a return to the days when insurance companies can deny for pre-existing conditions, cuts to social security, medicare, and medicaide. I suspect the older crowd here isn't really all that wealthy and will have a lot to lose.
Randumb, the odds of most of that happening, even if the Republicans retake both chambers, are extremely low. Keep in mind that Republicans needs votes too and doing things like cutting benefits to the elderly won't fly for many of them.
What would be nice, however, is for more people who are milking free and heavily subsidized healthcare to be encouraged to re-enter the workforce. One of the under-told stories about Obamacare is how many people retired early, voluntarily reducing their income in the process, and then picked up health insurance for little to nothing. The incentive to pick up employer-based insurance used to be a powerful motivator to keep people in the workforce and we could definitely use it again if our labor force participation rates are any indication.
i personally dont think people want to get sick so they can milk and get free healthcare..lol..i could be wrong...has anyone ever said, i hope i get cancer, diabetes, break a bone to get free health care...lol
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We'll see. I'd say the complete repeal of Obamacare (insurance companies allowed to deny coverage) would be a certainty, and McConnell has been talking about cuts to entitlements. You'd think that cuts to entitlements would be a death knell for the GOP, but they'll argue that it's needed because of the deficit -- you know the deficit they helped create with corporate tax cuts.
I have a a working spouse and double-coveraged with medical. Just curious: what would you do if you got sick and couldn't get health insurance because of a pre-existing condition? Don't you have a stay-at-home spouse? Isn't it worth improving on Obamacare incrementally?
Wow 25 that desert comment was so ignorant it made me think of Random. We have water where I live. FACT - if Europe paid what they agreed to by treaty with Nato and no American troops were in Europe, thus requiring them to defend themselves, not one of those failed lands would have socialized medicine. Socialism only works when you have capitalists to pay for it. Europe is a welfare leech and every taxpayer here is paying for their healthcare, not them.
The wall won't work. I mean Israelis were subject to 4-5 terrorist attacks emanating from the West Bank and since they built the wall a few years ago there have been none and that proves that walls don't work, except that they do. I'd be happy to just lay down some mines.
Wah wah wah seven thousand destitute failures who will create about 50,000 residents here in 25 years who the American taxpayer will support. They will never assimilate, learn the language or contribute. They will create anchor babies and extended families will also come here on visa'a and then stay here illegally. Lets see almost 50 million immigrants since 1990 and people wonder why this is a country sliding into poverty. Any of you lefties who have kids are child abusers.
Wah, wah, wah America destabilized these countries. Wow how amazing. Self sufficient people don't get destabilized. RANDOM if they are so miserable let us put them out of their misery just like Go for Wand was put out of hers. It was humane.
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Pretty sure that's horseshit, but I'll keep an open mind. Prove it. Cite sources.
To ensure everyone with pre-existing conditions, you need to have healthy people in the insurance pool. That's why we had the other two unpopular features of Obamacare.
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You get the negotiated rate between MD and patient. That's a very big deal
I can't get the $20 MRI scans that you and skibum get. Or fly to the best physicians in the country like you guys do.
Same if I get the sniffles or get "sick" and see a doctor or urgent care provider. They want $300-330 rate, on PPO my portion after co-pay was still $150, about half. I can negotiate that rate, or at least $30 less if not more discount, by just talking with the staff and seeing what a cash rate / self pay / let's settle the amount today, what will you take / etc. See what I mean?
Same with with my wife's dental work. Even after settling and seeing what the insurance co would cover, versus me self pay the portion I'm liable for, there was still $75 balance, which after self paying a few hundred, they just canceled or forgave it. Versus what the PPO and "enhanced" dental plan was saying 3+ years ago. For years my wife didn't want to go because costs$$$. But now with my banked balance on the MSA, and realizing it wouldn't put is in the poor house, I got her to go to the dentist again, finally.
I guess maybe I'm not being fair for what my thousands or tens of thousands in premiums each year to medical/dental/vision are really doing. But I'm not sure I'm getting $18K/year in value from it that it costs. That's why I mention cancer. I feel like I could just literally self pay everything and almost always come out ahead.
That's what I don't understand about your MRI and skibum's MRI and why you guys pay so little out of pocket. Or anything else with surgeons or specialists. My experience was I was still paying 50% myself on PPO as you'd go, wait 60 days, see the kick back from insurance for deductibles, co-insurance, etc. It got to be even with PPO it was covering less and less each year. Unless I'm looking at it wrong.
Sorry for the rant. But this is just aggravating. After years of playing by the rules. I just feel like I'm coming up short vs you guys.
If you commit a crime, who gets less harsh of a sentence? the guy with a paid attorney.
If an illegal immigrant comes to the US, do you think he'll get to stay, if he hires the best immigration attorney? the answer to this question is yes.
Keep in mind that asylum claims require persecution or legitimate fear of persecution for specific things, not financial hardship.
Keep in mind that asylum claims require persecution or legitimate fear of persecution for specific things, not financial hardship.
What about a 10,000 person orgy?
#caravanlivesmatter
#caravanlivesmatter
You don’t want to pay taxes move someplace where there aren’t any. There isn’t anyplace where there are no taxes, get a life, stop being such a bunch of cheap whiny fucking cheapskates and join the human race, or kill yourselves, who really gives a fuck. Start being thankful for what you have and stop worrying about what someone else has. I can’t believe this bullshit is how anyone normal lives their life.
SMH
Now that just sounds like too much logic for the left to figure out. Can’t wait for #Caravan Lives Matter!
Rand Paul severely beaten by looney lefty neighbor. Not worth covering.
Maxine Waters says get in the face of Republicans when you see them in restaurants. A dozen administration officials and their families are violently confronted.
Eric Holder says you should kick Republicans.
Hillary says you shouldn’t be civil to Republicans.
Silence from the media. Crickets.
Nine apparent pipe bombs, poorly made, obviously suspect, no damage, discovered at the perfect time to help democrats in the election. OMG ! OMG ! Trump should resign. All Republicans are violent. Where is their civility ?
I personally agree with flagooner the possibilities of raising lap dance prices will probably affect you guys more than this immigration kerfuffle.
Right of prior appropriation. Learn about it.
All of the devices carried a parody ISIS flag featuring comedian Larry the Cable Guy’s signature slogan, “git ‘er done,” NBC News reported late Wednesday.
Wouldn't it be cheaper and quicker to use Claymore mines than to build the wall?
The USPS does NOT deliver to the homes of anyone under Secret Service protection, like former presidents Clinton and Obama. All mail addressed to their residence is delivered to the Secret Service field office. Therefore, the reports that bombs were delivered to the homes of two former presidents is an absolute lie and stunt.
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I don't agree with much of what Mark states but the media comments--sadly yes. The MSM has been so bias for so long many people don't realize it. If you listen carefully to some of the most casual statements with an open mind you start to understand just how bad it is.
And one point I'll throw out as an observer about the caravan......for the amount of people that are part of it to go as long as they need to supplying the food and water alone to sustain a journey that will take months requires planning and organization. Somebody somewhere is either footing the bill or did a fair amount of "fundraising for support" or it would end quickly.
Hurricanes. Trump’s fault. Immigrant caravan. Trump’s fault. Murder in Turkey. Trump’s fault. Stock market drops. Trump’s fault. Amateur pipe bombs. Trump’s fault. On and on and on.
I actually seldom watch Fox News. I get most of my information from about a dozen blogs across the political spectrum.
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OP in your opening post you say Venezuela is behind it. and its because of this:
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications…
So we will blame Venenzuela to get ^^^
I mean, I already know what to *do* about it.
Your mama!