Escorts & Strippers that R.O.B. customers

A) Is it this a normal experience when dealing with escorts? If yes, how do I minimize the chances of getting ripped off?

>> More common at that price range and if you're not working with providers who have good reviews.

B) Are Black escorts more likely to engage in R.O.B. behavior than their other counterparts? If yes, do I just avoid Black escorts entirely? 

>> No.

C) If you were in my shoes would you have done anything differently? If yes, what would you have done differently?

>> Don't give her all the money before the end of the encounter. Work with higher-grade providers.

D) Have you ever been Ripped off by an Escort & Stripper? If yes, please share your experiences

>> No.

One can't eliminate all risk - in general best that things are done on your terms else walk (although there can be some leeway).

Many on here will say giving her the room # and asking her to come up is a bad idea - if she has a thug with her that wants to rob you you're giving him access to your room, instead meet her at the lobby and walk her to your room.

IMO not good to negotiate on the spot - i.e. not paying upfront is part of what I discuss upfront w.r.t. arranging the deal b/f she gets there..

I would make sure all valuables are out of sight - e.g. you may go use the restroom and unbeknownst to you she may lift your wallet from your pants you left on the chair.

I haven’t seen an escort in a decade but when I did I only saw ones that had multiple reviews from credible sites. No matter how hot or enticing an escort was, I didn’t bite unless I could find a few reviews.

I suggest you do the same, and I wouldn’t even know where to search for reviews now with all the internet changes if recent.

Try to use a website with escort reviews and she has several reviews (unfortunately many don't have reviews and IME particularly black escorts).

I have the exact same answers as Ishmael.

@ Call.Me.Ishmael
$200/hour is the standard rate for escorts in Charlotte North Carolina. At most is $300/hour never more that else you’re getting ripped off.

I shouldn’t be paying $500/hour.

Those Prices are for escorts based in expensive places like New York City, Los Angeles & San Francisco

I think you would find strippers, and more expensive escorts, to be less likely to blatantly rip you off. I’m not saying that they are angels by any means, but they are definitely less likely to rip you off than a $200 whore.

You had the right idea to refuse to pay until the services were provided. But you backed off on that standard twice, with the second one obviously being the huge mistake. Lots of girls would run off if they had all of the money in hand and a perfectly legitimate excuse to walk out to their car. The only incentive she has to come back is either for repeat business or concern about a bad review.

I would have just finished in her mouth.

@Papi_Chulo
I did read some reviews but it’s difficult to know which ones are real & which ones are fake.

A friend even said that some escorts now create alternate usernames to write great reviews about themselves.

But as we all know with most escorts is always YMWV.

@ JohnSmith69
I believe I fucked up.
I let my guard down easily after the panties dropped.
But I thought since we already started fucking then there wasn’t really any incentive for her to run away.

If $200/hour is too low. Would $400/hour suffice?

I believe paying $400/hour for a non-GFE Sex would drive the prices up significantly which in turn isn’t a good thing for us.

I've always paid upfront and have never been ripped off in that fashion. I figure the risk of being ripped off is worth not having the buzz kill of payment negotiations. There is a stupid tax that comes with this hobby.

Back when I was researching this thing, higher-grade providers seemed to have their own websites and professional photography. One thing that set a lot of them apart from the backpage and CL hoes, was that they were 2 hours minimum. In your case, that might be 2X$200/hr = $400 for 2 hours. Usually with 2 hrs, MSOG (2 nut+) is probably implied.

In my case it looked like I could get everything I wanted from a strip club, so I never followed up. I found them by googling "escort" "cityname". Not sure if any are left, post-FOSTA/SESTA anymore.


Next time an escort presses you, firmly insist that the donation is available after the deed. Repeat again, firmly, if needed. Anything else after you told her firmly NO twice, and I'd kick her out. Which ever side holds the money is supposed to have the leverage in a negotiation. Remember that. You'll position of power comes from your ability to walk or send her packing. I understand that's hard in the moment, but dig deep and find it.

Or maybe, if you want the $200 market rate escorts, maybe start with 1/2 hour or 15 minute visit ones. To get some experience under your belt with lower $$$ risked. Happy Hunting!

One thing I never followed up on was a mentor of mine (before he found Jesus, lol) was trying to get me into a private escort club. One were men and the women were vouched for by one another. I'm at the point now where I sort of wished I had taken him up on it. It seems like a more discreet way to handle this sorts of dealings.

Its not about race nor about the price point. Anyone who advertises is gonna be a little sketchy. You honestly think someone is gonna openly advertise illegal activities and be real with you????? LMFAO

Ugh no. You think men with real money want to be seen with a hoe who advertises on a website??? They want discretion.

I could never been in your shoes not attracted to black women

@shailynn +1000000 usa sex guide good start

Lone_Wolf-->"I've always paid upfront and have never been ripped off in that fashion. I figure the risk of being ripped off is worth not having the buzz kill of payment negotiations. "

Agree with this. I only did a few escorts before I realized it wasn't for me, but between those experiences and reading the forums for decades, I think if you want 100% security, you will end up having a lot of escorts walking away, because many won't agree to a process that gives you 100% security but reduces hers -- she, after all, both needs the money worse than you, and is at far greater risk of getting ripped off. IME, most mid-range and up escorts want payment up front; if you want to pay at the end, switch to OTCs.

So, if you're paying up front, that means all your precautions have to happen before she show up:

- Stick with well-reviewed escorts, and learn to spot fake reviews. "A friends says some escorts fake reviews" is incredibly weak sauce. Most of those are easy to spot. Plus most review sites will tell you the number of reviews a reviewer has -- an escort won't have 45 reviews across 10 years, but many real reviewers do. There's no excuse for failing to do this, it is not a difficult problem, and is the #1 thing to keep you from getting ripped off.

- Stick with mid-range and above escorts. I'll kinda sorta believe your claim that a $200 escort isn't low-end bottom of the barrel in your area, but I'll do it with an expression on my face that connotes disbelief :)

- If she's walking out of the room for any reason, you're getting ripped off. You're not allowed to hold her there, that's kidnapping, but I'd be pretty shocked if she came back.

-->"C) If you were in my shoes would you have done anything differently? "

I would have done a better job at ensuring she's well-reviews. That's not a 100% guarantee, but it does raise your chances of a positive experience, a ton.

The ratchet term street walkers use is rip and roll.

a) Yes, especially the cheap ones asking for $200

b) No, ROB's have DNA wired the same way irrespective of skin colour.

c) As an experienced monger I'd never get in the same situation, but even when starting I'd have not fallen for this.

d) Despite being experienced and not falling for this particular trick I have been ripped off, once and never again when in Vegas which is why I never book an 'escort' even though Casino girls are one and the same. I'll share by PM if you want.

Her having to leave the room is a red-flag - could be for a legit reason but at the very least your guard should be up (and not only that she may take off but she may come back with an accomplice - not trying to say this is likely but can happen).

Also her texting someone once she's there could also be problematic in that she can be letting someone know which room she's-in in case it's a setup - again not common but it's something to consider (and if she texts someone could be for a legit reason but still worth noting).

Usually a provider giving off a vibe other than trying to please you like complaining about stuff, trying to hurry you, or acting like that's the last place she wants to be, it's a red-flag to have your guard-up IMO.

Not exactly an escort meeting but something that is pretty-common these days in Miami w/ all the party spots around and also out of town tourists/partiers:

"... They met at the club. A gun and a drink later, he was out cold and out 200k, cops say

It’s an old tale, but with a new twist: A young man out partying for the night goes home with two women he just met at the club. They drug him and abscond with all his expensive jewelry.

But, according to police, in this case the victim was forced to drink the concoction at gunpoint. What the drink was laced with, wasn’t clear. Police aren’t saying.

The haul: More than $200,000 in chains, bracelets and watches, including an Audemars Piguet wrist watch valued at $56,000.

“This time,” said Miami police detective Kenia Fallat, “they pulled a gun on him and forced him to drink.”

Police on Tuesday didn’t release the incident report detailing the ripoff. They only released a three-paragraph narrative and a video of the women walking into an elevator at the pricey condominium where the man lived. There was no mention of the victim’s details or even where he met the women.

According to police, the victim returned to his apartment at The Mint Condominium on the Miami River at 92 SW Third St., with the two women at about 4 a.m. on Sept. 14. Once inside, police said, the two women “prepared alcoholic beverages, walked into the victim’s bedroom and at gunpoint, forced the victim to drink a cocktail.”

Fallat said the man fell asleep almost instantly. When he woke up a few hours later, the women were gone, along with his jewelry. Apartments at the condo range from between $260,000 to $1.6 million, its website shows.

The brief video taken at the elevator in the condo tower shows the three walking through the lobby, then into an elevator with a reflective mirror. Both women are wearing low-cut, tight black dresses. One has long blonde hair. The other long black hair. The victim is wearing ripped jeans, white sneakers and a long-sleeved black shirt. His face is blocked out in the video.

The women are later seen leaving in an elevator. There is no time stamp on the surveillance video ..."

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/c…

Anyways, I actually think the tricks who get ripped off deserve it.

Another recent story of a hook-up gone bad:

"... Looking For Love In All The Wrong Places: 2 Men End Up Kidnapped, Robbed After Using MeetMe App.

MIAMI (CBSMiami) – The Broward Sheriff’s Office said two men were kidnapped and robbed by the same late-night date after using the MeetMe app to meet her.

Her name is Ednita Leon-Alamo, 17, and police said she used the same method in both cases.

Here is how Leon-Alamo lured these men and perhaps others, according to BSO:

“Leon-Alamo meets men on the app MeetMe and lures the victims to a location. Once there, several masked males ambush and kidnap the victims at gunpoint. Leon-Alamo rides along as the group goes from ATM to ATM. The victims are then released under the threat that if they contact law enforcement they’ll get in trouble because Leon-Alamo is a teenager and not an adult as she claims on the app.”

Police said the first victim met Leon-Alamo at around 1 a.m. on August 7 at his house in the 5100 block of Northeast First Terrace in Deerfield Beach.

BSO says the second victim met her at around 2 a.m. on August 8, near East Sample Road and North Dixie Highway in Pompano Beach.

BSO believes there are other victims who have not come forward. They said they would not pursue charges against anyone who was duped.

Following their investigation, BSO announced these arrests: Leon-Alamo, 17, on August 16, Peterson Joachim, 22, and Shnyder Dumas, 19, on September 20 and September 26.

All suspects face two counts of armed robbery, kidnapping, and carjacking.

Police are asking for anyone who has been victimized by this group to contact Robbery Det. Neil Munson or Det. Robert Sokol at 954-321-4200 or Broward Crime Stoppers at 954-493-TIPS ..."

https://miami.cbslocal.com/2018/10/02/lo…

i agree that strippers tend to be less likely to rip you off once you get to know them a little. and you generally get more time for your money. from what i've gathered, a lot of girls go home with guys and spend the entire night with them for a set price instead of charging by the hour. i think part of why they'd be more hesitant to rip you off is because you know where they work and no one wants a pissed off trick coming in to start shit while they are working.

Yikes, in my opinion getting ripped off while getting extras is not something to get really pissed off about. Im also not a strong advocate for negotiating. Remember, the act you are engaging is technically illegal. An angry girl or dispute can ruin your life. e.g. warren sapp

Most major thing I've learned in my experience with escorts is to not pay up front, not even to her "driver." Every situation where I've been ripped off could have been avoided if I didn't pay up front. The really good experiences all had me paying at the end.

I can't stand escorts. They're all whores. I hang out at strip clubs because I like hanging out at strip clubs. If I get along well with a girl it generally leads to more, and we both trust each other by that point. It's the only way I feel safe, both from ROBS and from LE.

Don't call escort ads. Deploy The System (tm) and hook up with strippers. And let that start with a front room makeout session.

SJG

"Jesus eight_ball how hypocritical. Escorts are just like strippers they're just doing a different kind of sex work."

DC - there's a huge difference between an escort that fucks so many guys that she can't get wet without lube and a girl who got into stripping purely to strip, but eventually decides that she's wiling to make an exception for the right customer.

Put another way - is there any tread left on the track or are we basically throwing a hot dog down a hallway at this point?

What Ishmael said. The only difference being with number C, to whit, make it clear? Preferably before she shows up, that you won’t give her *any* money until the agreed upon services are complete. If she balks, tell her “have a good night, there’s the door.”

"Yes escorts are different and a different kind of sex work, probably have sex with more guys but that doesn't make them a bad person."

I never called escorts bad people. I called them whores. They have sex for money (ie., definition of whore). Strippers don't necessarily do this, but can be persuaded to with the right customer, and the experience feels much less whorish.

How many escorts have you been with? How many strippers have you talked out of the club? Are your thoughts based on theory or experience?

"You said "I can't stand escorts. They're all whores." That indicates at least a moderate dislike of them and let's not pretend that whore isn't often used as a disparaging term for them especially given what came before it."

I don't care for escorts in their professional capacity. It's not a reflection on who they are in their private life and I did not say that they are bad people. I feel the same about lawyers, though I get the impression that skibum is a fun guy in his private life.

Yes, whore is a disparaging term. The entire point of my comment is that I find strippers on average to be less whorish. That, and I can't stand escorts. They're all whores.