The End for Me
Vantablack
GOODBYE TUSCL!! :)
I've been going to strip clubs since December 2017 and I've only been on TUSCL since August. Strip clubbing started out as just mindless fun to me, but it slowly turned into something much more than that. Strip clubbing changed my entire lifestyle and I don't think it was a good change.
It's a lifestyle I don't think I can keep up with; the fleeting happiness followed by the unbearable sadness. It's probably an underlying sign that I have bigger issues, but at least now I know. The emotional/mental toll is too much on me. You guys have given plenty of good advice on how to tackle my situations and I appreciate it. All this time I felt like I let the world run by while I chase after someone that I could never possibly be with. I guess I really truly learned my lesson.
I'll probably stick around here on TUSCL since the threads are pretty entertaining, but as far as SCing goes I think I'm out of the game.
It's a lifestyle I don't think I can keep up with; the fleeting happiness followed by the unbearable sadness. It's probably an underlying sign that I have bigger issues, but at least now I know. The emotional/mental toll is too much on me. You guys have given plenty of good advice on how to tackle my situations and I appreciate it. All this time I felt like I let the world run by while I chase after someone that I could never possibly be with. I guess I really truly learned my lesson.
I'll probably stick around here on TUSCL since the threads are pretty entertaining, but as far as SCing goes I think I'm out of the game.
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Please do, and feel free to continue to post as well. We have lots of posters on here who don't actually go to strip clubs.
I did and we did have OTC fun. It wasn't anything sexual, it was normal civilian fun. It was one of the best nights I've had in a long long time. However it made me realize that no matter how much I liked this girl, I could never be with her. Too much emotional baggage and too many issues, I know for a fact she'd break my heart to pieces. She's a good friend, but I don't think it could advance beyond that without inevitable misery.
I was so hellbent on trying to win her heart I neglected everything else around me. I'm losing motivation in my career and I feel alienated from my friends. And although I absolutely love her company, I know every second I spend with her only makes me want her more. The more that happens I know the larger the emotional toll will be. And I have don't have the heart to just stop seeing her...
You're right. I wish the strip club was just mindless fun. The minute I met my ATF things took a turn. At first I thought it was good, but now I know it truly isn't. I'm already feeling depressed and I hope I'm not already in that "bad" place
I'm well over a year into my first long-term thing. My expectations are in check and completely rational. My true wants, on the other hand, keep changing and emerging, as pointless as that might be. In a lot of ways spending a significant amount of time with someone who sees me for money is more fucked up than I expected it to be.
When she's around I have an amazing time. When she's not I kind of resent her for only being interested in my money, which is fucked up, because she's just doing what I approached her to do, and nothing more than that. I really don't think it's healthy, but having rational expectations that nothing "real" is going to happen keeps it under control. I tell myself I'm going to see this one through and then when it's over I'll be more casual in my clubbing. We'll see!
Good luck Vantablack. I hope you find a more fulfilling hobby to immerse yourself in. And let us all know if you do.
It's good that at least you know what she's after. It's very clear to you that you know where to draw the line. You have that mentality and self reminder that prevents you from falling in too deep. That same mindset allows you to move on easily too.
I don't have that. I'm too emotionally invested in a girl that I've met at the strip club. I have trouble letting things go. At first she was my favorite dancer. Then she became my friend. And now I want to take it to the next level. I don't know when to stop and that's why I feel like I need to distance myself, but I'm torn. I'm going to feel like shit regardless of which path I take. My mind is a giant swirl of lust, infatuation, confusion and depressoon.
The problem is that it was never about sex. Sex was beyond the least of my priorities. I think that's part of the problem as to why it turned out the way it did
Strip clubs are what they are and they're not the place to go looking for love or one's need for a relationship/girlfriend - if you can't, or are unwilling, to see SCs for what they are, then you're better of not wasting your $$$.
My advice if you ever return is to pick different times of the day or week to go. I used to be a late night SC goer, but have since changed to more of a daytime or sunday guy. While you won't see the same amount of knockouts vibe is a little more laid back and the experience is far more personable.
IMO not going to strip clubs will likely not solve your problems and w/e it is you are feeling/missing, at best you will be saving $$$ by not going but likely your issues will still be there with nothing to replace w/e remedy strip clubs offer. Life isn't going to all of a sudden be wonderful once you stop SCing - it can be somewhat better, or actually somewhat worse w/o enjoying what SCs have to offer.
If that's the case then you're right to stop going. You don't need to spend money to feel like shit, so stop spending it.
In a lot of ways it's better to be used for money by a stripper than a civilian. It's transparent, it's what they're there for, and you should be able to have fun without feeling taken advantage of because you offered it to her. Yet there's so much scheming and hustling going on that it doesn't always work out this way, which sucks.
I don't think I'd feel comfortable being emotionally attached to a stripper that I just knew in real life. It would be too real (or would it?). If anything, I like knowing for certain that what happens at the club is fake (or is it?).
It's healthy for all of us to take a break from time to time. But if you feel this way then a permanent hiatus is probably in your best interest.
That's exactly it. Now that I know that her and I can be friends out in the real world, I keep wanting to escalate it. It's that same feeling that drives people to keep advancing in whatever it is they're doing. If we went from normal customer/provider to being able to meet outside the club not P4P, then that at least shows that it is real to some degree.
And yeah I get what you mean. It is pretty much all my fault. Like Papi said up there, I'm making strip clubs to be something that they aren't. However it is a bit too late for that since I'm already so heavily invested in my ATF. I think I expected too much out of her and now the frustration is catching up with me. Especially now that I know that whatever I am trying to achieve with her isn't plausible.
It means she wants you to think it's real. How much of it actually is real you will never know, unless she does something to show you that none of it was real. The fact that you wrote "to some degree" at the end shows that you understand that ambiguity involved.
And in the unlikely chance it does happen, I don't think the avg guy is wired to be able to have a "relationship" with most strippers and I don't think it would go as they forsee it.
i.e. if one can't pull it in the real world then it's not gonna happen in strip club world (with some rare exceptions) - it's business, 99.9% of these "faves" that "show us all this love" would cut all communication with us if they came into $$$ and no-longer needed us financially.
This is the best way I've ever seen this ideology described. Unfortunately, what makes it seem achievable to some is that they can't find sex in the real world either but they did at the strip club, so why stop there? It's like when you hit all sevens on the slot machine and then you just know you can do it again.
Do I meet girls at strip clubs who I wold desire a real relationship with? Absolutely. Do I waste time thinking it might happen or even really truly want it to happen? Hell no. But wondering what it would be like to have a relationship with an attractive woman who theoretically only allows me to see her sweet side can be a lot fun. Watching the approach she uses in an attempt to convince me that it's real can also be a lot of fun. But actually going down that road would be pure torture.
I think strippers are more annoyed at being approached for something other than what they're there to do, unless they like you.
But you're right, relationships form accidentally a lot of times. It just happens. But I don't believe that paying for sex is the way to do it.
Ideally that's what I wanted when I figured out that I had a legitimate attraction to her. However, I was blinded by my infatuation I didn't see all the issues that lay there before me. If I actually did date her, her lifestyle habits would most definitely strain our relationship. The smartest thing to do would be to just drop her out of my life and go back to my other hobbies. It would save me a lot of effort and emotions. However, I think I like this girl way too much to do. I like where I am with he right now, but I don't think it is possible to go to the next level without someone getting frustrated or hurt.
But If you don't want to share that's fine. I completely understand.
This sounds like a very healthy approach.
This sounds like a very healthy approach.
We are compatible in terms of interests. We love the same music, the same movies, similar tastes in humor and food. We get along very well. The only part where we differ is personal view on certain things. For example in her eyes, she doesn't think infidelity or massive drug/alcohol use is that big of an issue. However to me personally, I hate cheaters (I was cheated on before in the past) and I do not the support the substance abuse habit.
Pretty much lifestyle choice is where the line is drawn between the two of us. We've never had a disagreement over these kinds of things, but if we were dating I know it would be an issue.
I'm not paying her anything. We met outside the club with no money transaction involved. She agreed to meeting me outside to hang out. It was actually her idea to begin with. I mean I'll pay for her food here and there, but that is about it. In fact the other day when we went out she even insisted to pay.
The only time I spend money on her is in the club, but I don't go often enough or spend enough for it to make a significant impact on her income.
I think you're right. I think we are compatible as friends, but nothing more. Although I wish there could be more. Her lifestyle choices aren't exactly the most stable nor are they the most healthy, but I'm hoping she comes to terms with that herself. My influence can only go so far. Until then I will try to keep and build whatever we already have
You sound well-grounded and realistic. Best of luck to you. Good that you're getting out before it does further damage to your psyche and finances.
My clubbing essentially is limited to one annual trip each to Hong Kong in TJ and Allure Massage in Toronto. Overpriced U.S. clubs lack value to me, and I have no desire to enter a relationship with a stripper or sex worker because it's obvious where that path will lead, but to each his own.
If you're interested only in sex, like @countryman suggests, I'd recommend TJ. Great value and I don't believe there is any danger of falling for a girl 2,000 miles away (don't know your location) in another country.
I think I'm good as far as sex goes. Sex isn't a priority for me. It never was and I don't think it will be for a while. It's the intimate connection I seek. However in my situation, that doesn't fit anywhere in the equation. So until then the best thing I can do is be the best friend I can possibly be.
Phatboy99 - definite troll account
When I was about your age (maybe 20), my SC running buddy and I made a pact. Anytime either one of us hadn’t seen a woman naked in 30 days, we should both go to the club (or remind the aforementioned PL if he’s in denial) so as to 1) remember what a naked woman looks like and 2) to motivate the guy to hit the ground running (civvie dating).
I always thought that was a healthy way. It’s side entertainment (boobies and vajayjay!) but it was always something that supplemented civilian life, not a substitute.
I”m glad my running buddy noticed I was in a funk and needed a reboot. I’ve also done the same for him. It’s nice when your bros look out for each other like that.
Finally! That’s maybe the first excuse you’ve given so far that I agree with. What has always served me and my epiphany in my teens was to have an inventive mindset. If I had to break it down to the very core, it’s having an inventive mindset.
That’s more useful for than any specific advice, IME. I also don’t do any ROI on civilian dating, never have. I always worked backwards from the point with a goal (dating), then decided I would do whatever it takes and not be concerned if it’s worth it or worth the time, or whatever bullshit the MGTOW or MRA or PUA are crying over. To me, goring without, was never an option. When I saw football players dating girls, I knew whatever it was could not possibly take a lot of brain power. So with northing more than this paragraph to go on, I went out and invented what I could on the fly.
You have 200,000 years of gut instinct in you. use it!
@DC9428 posted “I don't ever see them looking at me.”
That’s a problem right there. As successful and you have been with sex with (admittedly?) drunken college women, I’d suspect you’d be successful enough with the opposite sex to at least have some of them checking you out from time to time.
I wonder if this is a case of you not noticing? Or maybe some way about body language what is off putting? Unless you look like a mutant, you should be doing better here!
Look at Orionsmith. He can’t keep the women from approaching him for sex or more.
I wish you luck!
Do you mean in terms of what it takes for a dancer to tolerate one of her customers?
“Lol was that a roast?”
I dunno. Maybe. I think I’ve made you too much into a project for me. Part of this is right now I’m going through a rough patch and not find a job / work. Which is unusual for me, since I could always find new work in a day or 2 or at least 1 week. So I think I’m taking it out on you based on my frustrations in my own life. I think you can level with me on that. These hiring managers and HR ATS screening systems are the worst.
I’d love to get hiring back to a f2f or at least a phone call. This on-line shit is the fucking black hole.
If I’m roasting you it because I’m treating you like I used to treat Larryfishman, sensing the same frustrations. You’re right it needs to organic and one can’t over think it.
@DC9428 posted:
“I think the girls evaluate their choices, realize that the hot guys are already taken, look at me and think "he's cute enough, I guess I'll go with him."
nothing wrong with that. That and maybe all of the douche bags had already made their rounds. Frustrated her, and she’s more receptive to you. But I think you generally have it figured out.
I’ll ease off of you from now on. You seen to be into p4p as a solution. Nothing wrong with that. It does satisfy a need.