% Of Dancers Nationally That Do Extras

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If you had to put a percentage on it what would you say it is?

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datinman
6 years ago
60% of the time, I get extras every time.
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two_bits
6 years ago
35% - that is, if you're using "The System"
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4got2wipe
6 years ago
"60% of the time, I get extras every time"

Ace!
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two_bits
6 years ago
Of course, what you have to remember is that my appearance, demeanor, and means are vastly different than the run of the mill chumps on here. So if you see a handsome, older gentlemen (who looks 10-15 years younger than his actual age) in a fashionable back brace, locking down the hottest dancer in the club - then, yes, I'm hitting that, 100%.
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flagooner
6 years ago
LOL
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JuiceBox69
6 years ago
50%
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twentyfive
6 years ago
100% so exrras 25% of the time more in the summer ;)
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jackslash
6 years ago
I think you need to add the price to this question. $1000 will produce a higher percentage than $50.
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mark94
6 years ago
The vast majority of clubs in the US are not extras clubs. For every Follies, there are 20 Tease-Aramas in Podunk Utah.
To answer the question, I’ll guess 5%.
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skibum609
6 years ago
Nothing says youth and vitality to a young woman than an old man in a back brace.
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two_bits
6 years ago
Back problems are no joking matter, you cretin, if you were missing 3 vertebrae like me, you would know.

But don't get me wrong, even in a back brace I could still kick your douchebag lawyer ass.
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Call.Me.Ishmael
6 years ago
Nationally? No idea. I think it's probably lower than anyone here thinks. There's thousands of clubs in the US. If all of them were like Follies or HK, there would be a crackdown on the entire industry.
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twentyfive
6 years ago
@Skibum

Nothing says youth and vitality to a young woman than an old man with a stack of Benjamin’s

Your welcome I fixed it for you.
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shailynn
6 years ago
It’s more rare than you think. If it wasn’t, I wouldn’t have to spend half a day driving to Detroit.

I think more strippers would be willing to do it solely for the extra $$$ if they could get away with it in their respective club. LOL to the 50 year old guys that weigh 225 that think a 23 year old stripper is fucking them because they like sex. No, it’s the money.

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JohnSmith69
6 years ago
id guess that 15-20% would be willing to do extras if you were willing to pay them $1K. But for what most guys are actually willing to pay, I’d say 5 % is a good guess.
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twentyfive
6 years ago
Can’t say I know much about the rest of the country but here in S Florida the number is a lot higher, in some clubs at least 75% will in others not as many but every club down here you shouldn’t have much trouble finding a girl who’s willing.
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gammanu95
6 years ago
I agree with John, for $1k you could get upwards of 25% of dancers to spread their legs. For normal market prices, i think even 5% is high. I had hundreds of lap dances in Illinois and Louisiana, but never any extras until Florida.
If you're an old man in a back brace with three missing vertebrae, you probably need $2G just to break the 3% barrier.
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Warrior15
6 years ago
It does matter what part of the country you are in. South Florida is a haven. Tennessee, you are lucky to get OTP touching. The local government has a lot to do with it also. I lived in Houston for years, and it changed from one mayor to the next. I think the country as a whole is closer to JohnSmiths numbers. Maybe more would be willing to do it if they thought they could easily get away with it.
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skibum609
6 years ago
At my favorite club, if you consider a hj extras I would say 90% of the day shift and 65% of the night shift will provide a hj for the basic CR experience, with a small tip expected. Varies by dancer.
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londonguy
6 years ago
Are you talking about via lap dances or front room makeout sessions?
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jackslash
6 years ago
I've probably been spoiled by clubbing in Detroit, but I think 90% of dancers would do extras for the right price (say, $1000). The extras might have to be performed OTC, but you could get them. Just ask.
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nicespice
6 years ago
I’m assuming extras are on the rise.

Online, it seems like stripper attitudes have relaxed over the years.

It used to be a common thing for strippers to want to disassociate themselves from the “sex worker” label.

A couple of months ago, there was an Instagram user (rackstoriches) who posted a video ranting against ITC. She said it was dirty, unsanitary, and ruining it for others. There have been many strippers before her who used that language.

But unlike the past, a lot of dancers got angry at her and called her whorephobic. It got to the point where rackstoriches later put up another video apologizing. She claimed that she meant it was unsanitary because the club is unsanitary and she didn’t mean to come across as whorephobic.

I doubt she truly meant it. She just wanted to placate people. (She sells a training course to baby strippers and she didn’t want to have backlash against that)

As far as numbers though, I’m not even going to try to guess. If you ask dancers, you will learn that 45% of them are top earners who always banks at least $X and would never have have to resort to extras to make money.



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nicespice
6 years ago
At least in the clubs I work at. Maybe it’s different in others where front room make out sessions are common.
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jackslash
6 years ago
No one has ever accused me of being whorephobic.
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nicespice
6 years ago
I think most men wouldn’t be outright called whorephobic. It’s more subtle from them. Men have an odd way of wanting said behavior but then looking down on women who easily comply. But if the end result is a female getting looked down on for her behavior, then whorephobia still happened.

The same thing applies for women wanting nice men. But that’s its own beast.
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Call.Me.Ishmael
6 years ago
Also, many strip club customers wouldn't want to be seen in public with a dancer, particularly one that has provided extras. This applies even if the customer is single. How much of this is personal embarrassment / shame versus looking down on the dancer... hard to tell.

Attitudes inside the strip club terrarium are quite different from attitudes outside the club.
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flagooner
6 years ago
^ I don't agree with that @ish. Where is the shame in it? I don't think many would advertise the fact that she is a stripper though just as many of the strippers don't advertise it either.

I can see not wanting to be seen with another lady if the guy is involved with someone, but that is regardless of whether she is a stripper or not.
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skibum609
6 years ago
A drug dealer is no better than a customer; a bookie no better than the bettor; the driver of the get away car no better than the one who shoots the store owner; and the john no better than the hooker. Our first FFM was with a hooker, but since she was my roommates girlfriend it was free. A lot of fun too.
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Call.Me.Ishmael
6 years ago
flagooner... I'm talking about the average strip club customer. People who regularly post and review here are outliers.

But moving away from this small kernel of guys who repeatedly debate the type of pants for an LDK or if it's appropriate to pay a dancer for a conversation, the majority of strip club customers (I believe) are very self conscious about being seen in public with a stripper, even if she's in 'civilian' clothes.

And that's because this hobby / lifestyle / whatever is still seen as a taboo activity. Granted, it's at the low edge of taboo, but still taboo.

And the women we visit in the club are part of that taboo. We know for a fact that many people who don't go to strip clubs (and even some who do...) view it as a shameful, dirty place. Their opinions of the strippers themselves are not any better.

And that's why a lot of guys are reluctant/terrified to mix their strip club life and public life.

And, even as "open" about it as we are, this website itself is proof that most guys are protective and even paranoid about their strip club life.

If founder posted today that all users will be required to re-register their profile with a verified real name and face image, it would be would turn into ghost town within hours (or less). And not just because the married guys scurried away from the sunlight.
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flagooner
6 years ago
@Ish. I see your point.

I was thinking along the lines that in the civvie world, dressed in civvie clothes people wouldn't know she was a stripper and thus why the embarrassment.

But yes I can see there being a fear that someone would find out. Many of the garden variety customers would think there is a stigma.
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flagooner
6 years ago
@ski I understand where you are coming from but I think you are too black and white.

The person that pulls the trigger is worse than the get away driver

The dealer is worse than the user.

The bookie and bettor are on similar tiers as are the hooker and john.

Not my opinion, it's a fact. I read it on a Wikipedia page somewhere.
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whodey
6 years ago
I'd say probably 35-40% of the clubs in the US are at least somewhat extras friendly. In those extras friendly clubs I would estimate 75-85% of the dancers are willing to do at least a HJ. Unfortunately, those clubs are typically small clubs that don't have many dancers on shift. Often you can find 10-15 times as many dancers at a high end non extras club in New York or Las Vegas as you would find in an extras club in Louisville. There are a few extras clubs with a lot of dancers (i.e. Follies) but those are rare.

Based on that I'd estimate about 5-10% of strippers would be willing to perform extras ITC. Add in OTC that was arranged from a club meeting and it would be about 10-15%. If you include dancers who either escort or sugar baby on the side separately from dancing and it would be 20-25%.
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Papi_Chulo
6 years ago
Refer to the 2010 census
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Warrenboy75
6 years ago
Is this question REALLY if or is it how much?

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Jascoi
6 years ago
there ain't enough that offer extras.
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Warrenboy75
6 years ago
FWIW Ishmael is spot on as far as I am concerned. I feel we all forget this board's membership does not represent the normal guy who goes to a club.

I doubt we are 1/ 2 of 1/10th of 1%.

And as much as I have a I don't care who I am seen with attitude chances are I'm not bringing a dancer to a family function and introducing her as the future Mrs.

From the dancers perspective however it seems that after a couple of years go by they do seem to care less and less if people know.

As for the extras part which is the real topic at hand I forgot which of our ladies posted that because of the nature of the job the idea at some point crosses every dancers mind. We can argue about in or outside the club and what the circumstances are and how much we dress it up but I would wager the percentage of dancers that have never done extras if they have been dancing for a year or more is a lot smaller than most of the comments state in this conversation.
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Electronman
6 years ago
100% do extras, unless there is a new strip club chain that features virgins. Maybe that market niche is reserved for the Catholic Church. The issue is price and location.
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san_jose_guy
6 years ago
^^^^^ Our above ground clubs, Santa Clara County, are still no touching, no private areas.

): ): ):

But there is still takeout. And sometimes front room makeout sessions do occur, 'cause dancers want to line up immediate OTC.

SJG

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two_bits
6 years ago
"A drug dealer is no better than a customer"

Did you read that in some undergraduate law review?

Just another example of why anyone would have to be an idiot to hire you as their attorney.

Are you even a real lawyer, or just another troll with an ax to grind?
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nicespice
6 years ago
A bit off topic, but I’m cool with drug dealers, especially in the club. My former regular would show up to the club, leave, and come back with cash in hand. It was wonderful.
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two_bits
6 years ago
@ flagooner - hey, old timer, since the idea of you appearing in public with an attractive woman is purely theoretical at this point, how about leaving this topic to someone who actually is regularly seen in public with gorgeous woman, someone like, well ... me.

What you have to remember is that my appearance, demeanor, and means are quite different from most guys here. So not only do I date (FWB, not P4P) gorgeous, model-quality civilian hotties, but when I go to the club I automatically attract the hottest, most upscale, high status dancers in the club.

So when I'm out on the town with one of my 9+ OTC dancers, I'm never embarrassed, because they always look sexy as fuck, but in a classy, upscale way, not slutty like some cheap Detroit stripper.
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Jascoi
6 years ago
damn I'm proud to be walking into a nice place with a beautiful girl. even if she does look like a stripper.
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larryfisherman
6 years ago
Not common, I agree with the 5-10%.
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chessmaster
6 years ago
Probably 1% somewhere like orlando or nashville. Probably at least 50% in miami or 75% in detroit.
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pistola
6 years ago
Not enough. :)
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TxVegas
6 years ago
The presence of extras seems to vary by region. Within certain cities, they are common. But, in most cities they are not. I would say less than 10% of dancers nationwide are up for extras on a regular basis.

If you are young enough and reasonably attractive, you will have more opportunities to date dancers in a non pay for play environment. But, as we get older, our attractiveness seems to be based on willingness to spend and being viewed as safe.
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NJBalla
6 years ago
In NJ I would say its 90%, if a girl hasnt offered you extras she probably just thinks you are law enforcement. The only girls I would say who dont do extras are the rare college girls dancing to pay for extra money. They usually dont last long. It seems the only categories are girls who do extras in the LD room versus the ones who do that in the VIP Room.
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nicespice
6 years ago
I’m surprised at this discussion. People have lower numbers to predict for dancers. If you asked dancers to guess other dancers, it would be higher.

Probably the higher the price point, the higher the chances are with any one of them.

Hell I’ve heard a rule of thumb before that’s “don’t fuck a customer for less than the average cost of rent in your city”
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Mate27
6 years ago
I get offered without asking for it twice a year out of 50 club visits. I imagine w if I was actively searching o could up those odds of otc extra or ITC extra to about 25% closing. This is dependent on how many repeat visits one has to the same club after establishing rapport. Rick Dugan has higher than 25% ratio as a repeat customer, and my ratio is lower due to not seeking it.
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Call.Me.Ishmael
6 years ago
Nicespice said "Hell I’ve heard a rule of thumb before that’s 'don’t fuck a customer for less than the average cost of rent in your city'"

lol. If that's true in Providence then I'm getting some pretty steep discounts.
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NinaBambina
6 years ago
My morals would be something along the lines of:

Don't fuck a customer itc, don't fuck a customer that grosses you out, and don't fuck a customer who isn't going to give you an absolutely life-changing amount of money.
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NJBalla
6 years ago
@meat72 you bring up a good point. I Would say the majority of extras I have gotten have been by directly asking for it or through being a regular for a long period of time. You have to be careful as after you get into extras territories girls dont want to go back to the standard LD. I would say the majority of girls provide a better 5 song LD experience in comparison to a rushed HJ or BJ.
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nicespice
6 years ago
“lol. If that's true in Providence then I'm getting some pretty steep discounts.”

It’s not necessarily always followed :p

My morals standards are: it’s wrong for me to do extras. It’s not wrong for anyone else. (Though I do shake my head when it’s at lowball amounts)
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NinaBambina
6 years ago
Oh I agree, I'm just saying if I were an escort or whatever. If I was an extras girl or escort I'd be driving a G-wagon and have a Ferrari on the side.

I work at a contact club, but almost no extras. I the rare times that extras may be given, I will look down on that. Do that shit at an 8 mile club, or better yet, get yourself a body guard and pay him 20% and rent yourself a lil apartment outside your regular home that you do it out of. That way there's safety and your in place; that's how I'd do it if I were going to be an escort (I won't though). And I'd also only have about 7 guys I regularly fuck, wealthy men, and charge very large amounts so I'd be making like 5K a week at least, possibly up to 15k a week or however much but a lot.
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san_jose_guy
6 years ago
I've never gone along with the 'extras' concept, in effect treating a girl like a vending machine. Just wrong way to go about it, wrong way to look at it.

In San Francisco DV Clip Joints, when front room makeout sessions were not to be, and where it was clearly intended to be an LDK shop, I've substituted DATYing girls in the booth. That has always gone over very well, but mostly because of how I raised the subject with them, totally civilian.

It really softens them up.

And girls that had recited the "I don't kiss" speech, were not to much further on demonstrably reversing themselves.

"Extras" was always just a dump way to look at the situation.

SJG

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whodey
6 years ago
"don’t fuck a customer for less than the average cost of rent in your city"

Luckily for me the clubs I go to don't follow that rule. Unless they are just looking at the cost of rent in the immediate vicinity of the club and factoring the free Section 8 housing into the average.
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flagooner
6 years ago
"Hell I’ve heard a rule of thumb before that’s 'don’t fuck a customer for less than the average cost of rent in your city'"

I'm willing to bet the girls that say that are the most frequent extras givers at a much lower price. They acknowledge that they will do it but they want the other dancers to think they are getting more. Plus, they don't want the competition.
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san_jose_guy
6 years ago
To our OP, it's the tolerance in local LE, which determines who far things can go in strip clubs.

It varies from metro to metro. So talking nationwide does not make much sense.

A more interesting question would be, what percentage of dancers in clubs do FS-ITC, or OTC?

SJG
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April9424
6 years ago
I think I’d pin the percentage at much higher than you all are guessing. Girls don’t like to talk about it but in most places it is common no matter what you hear- it just costs more at some places, definitely prices the average tuscl poster would not pay. There’s a reason why legit non-extras clubs where you can actually make $ are so coveted to work at, and girls travel to work there. I used to think otherwise and look down on it but then I grew up and took the stick out of my ass. I still won’t do them, and don’t like to work alongside them but I think I’m more realistic now after a while.. and especially after traveling a bunch. Most big cities have at least one or two clubs that are “clean” but there’s usually a lot more than aren’t. And even at the “non extras” ones someone’s always getting away w something.
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san_jose_guy
6 years ago
Paying for ejaculation services is just guys paying money to exacerbate their own sexual frustration. If you like her and she likes you, get her into your own bed and pump her full of jizm regularly.

SJG
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nicespice
6 years ago
Zoey nailed it.
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flagooner
6 years ago
I'd like to nail Zoey.
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nicespice
6 years ago

“I'm willing to bet the girls that say that are the most frequent extras givers at a much lower price. They acknowledge that they will do it but they want the other dancers to think they are getting more. Plus, they don't want the competition.”

I believe that too.

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san_jose_guy
6 years ago
In my experience, strippers, and sex workers, are always lying about how much money they take in, and usually exaggerating upwards in order to increase their social standing and self esteem.

They show this in both Klute and Leaving Las Vegas too.

Zoey wrote, "And even at the “non extras” ones someone’s always getting away w something."

Indeed, and when there are front room make out sessions, at our above ground clubs, and in our underground clubs, it is like that.

In SF pre-DV and especially pre-booths and back rooms, front room make out sessions with the lights very low, were really just between you and the girl. Not universal, but quite common. No one really having any interest in trying to prevent such.

Why so important? Well exactly for the same reason all the accounts of TJ place so much emphasis on them, as also was the case on Black Strip Clubs( dot )Net. That makeout session is the door for going from dissociated sex acts, to awesome mind blowing encounters which open the door to all sorts of civvilian styled meetings and all manner of emotional involvement.

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Call.Me.Ishmael
6 years ago
SJG said "They show this in both Klute and Leaving Las Vegas too."

Those are movies you short-bus moron.
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Jascoi
6 years ago
I know what I pay for what I want.
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6 years ago
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Jascoi
6 years ago
is it enough?
it's never enough
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Book Guy
6 years ago
Which will allow sex for money? The question isn't, which girls, but which CLUBS. What percentage of strippers will have sex for money in the club IF THEY KNOW THEY CAN GET AWAY WITH IT ...

1. At an incredibly high price? 99.99999999%
2. At the going rate for internet escorts or similar service providers in the same town? 50%
3. At an incredibly low price? 5%

What CLUBS will allow sex in the back room, to the extent that it becomes an acceptable practice by which most of the new girls learn the new rules when they come to the club? Now THAT'S a more difficult question. I throw out the rough number of 50% across the USA, depending largely on jurisdiction, season of election cycle, local law enforcement, economic swings.

Which girls in a particular club? The hotter ones? The less hot ones? Frankly, I see almost NO correlation between (a) which girls will put out sexual services for a decent (reasonable, all other things considered) price, and (b) which girls I consider hot, super-hot, not-hot, etc..

There is one category that I don't want to deal with because they will up the price to an unreasonably high amount on the basis of their own self-perceived superior appearance. Generally, these women are legitimate 8s, 9s, or 10s in most guys' books but who also preen overly much in a super-self-congratulatory manner. We often say they have "golden pussy syndrome." For these few, looks do correlate, to a slight degree, to availability of sex, with higher looks lowering sexual access, because the girls themselves handicap their own performance and income with their own bad attitude. For nearly all other women, I find, that a 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, or even my personal 10, will all be just about equally likely or unlikely to take me up on an offer of money for sex at the same price as what has been established as the going reasonable rate in her area.

The one operative variable -- the one which prevents or allows sexuality at that price -- is nearly always logistics. Does the club allow it? Can you get away with it right now? Is there time between now and when she needs to go on stage, or leave, or see her (civilian real-life) boyfriend at the other end of the club, or whatever-the-fuck else she can dream up? Is there a difficult bouncer tonight who hasn't been adequately sedated with payoff in cash or blowjobs yet and is she trying to get another dancer to offer him that payoff first? Etc..

In the long run, it's 100% of strippers who COULD be willing to trade money for sexual services. But whether the act actually comes to pass or not, is entirely a different question.
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