Would you ever let a hustle play out knowing that you weren't going to pay the g
Liwet
If she walks away smiling, you spent too much.
For instance, a girl sits with you out on the floor, takes off her top, and proceeds to dance a little, letting your hands roam a bit. You talk to her, tell her she's beautiful, tell her how amazing strip clubs are, etc. After some time goes by she says you owe $160 for 8 songs. You never agreed to any songs but knew that she was going to ask for money?
Would you allow this situation to play out? Would you absolutely refuse to pay her despite knowing that she was hustling you from the get-go?
Would you allow this situation to play out? Would you absolutely refuse to pay her despite knowing that she was hustling you from the get-go?
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There are so many ways that could go wrong, it’s one of the most idiotic ideas that’s been floated here in a long time.
I’m upfront with dancers.
I respect what dancers do - and if a dancer sits with me - I’ll compensate her for her time and effort.
On a related note do we call that a ROPL (Rip-Off Pathetic Loser) vs. a dancer ROB?
Strip clubs are full of scammers so one has to know what to do and what not to do - if a girl approaches me out of her own volition and starts rubbing on me out of her own volition, I don't pay for that if I'm not interested in her company at the time - but knowing clubs are often drama-filled, I know better than to let it go-on for more than a few-seconds b/f I tell her I'm not interested - I let it go for a few-seconds b/c some dancers jump on you w/o asking you and if you push them off or don't at least let them give you their pitch for a few-seconds some wanna start drama over the fact you are not even giving them a chance.
If I'm not interested in a dancer then I don't touch her - everything else that happens is on her - but to avoid drama, I don't let it go beyond a few-seconds - you can't expect to be feeling her up for multiple songs and not pay - you're inviting drama.
But - there are scammers that will come up to you and hang w/ you and do a little rubbing but not really a dance nor even get nude, then tell-you you owe them for the dances - had that happen once; got a few-dances from a dancer, paid-her, then a few-minutes later she comes back fully-dressed and hangs w/ me at the bar fully-dressed while we hug and she semi-grinds on me - I took that as flirting and trying to get me in the mood for more dances but after about half-a-song I decided to double-check and ask her "these are not dances we're doing right?" - to which she replied "yes" even though she was fully-clothed - needless to say that was the last of my biz she got.
I don't touch/grope a dancer I'm not planning on getting dances from - if she does not actively dance then I don't pay her for just sitting w/ me and flirting w/ me - I tell her I'll get some dances but I won't count the flirt non-dance time as dances but I'll eventually get dances from her if I was feeling her up.
Is the drama this will create and the reputation you may develop because of it really worth "punishing" her for her tactics?
C'mon man!
I didn't know what was happening to me at the time because I was still new to clubbing. That's why I brought this topic up. I'm wondering if you were in my shoes, if you would take advantage of the situation.
What the OP subsequently described is not too-uncommon - i.e. a dancer rubbing on you, even topless, but not really dancing - the custy thinks she's just warming him up to get him to buy-dances but all-along she's planning to charge him for that unbeknownst to the custy - I can def see many an inexperienced SCer getting caught-up in that - and why one needs to always be on their toes in a strip club but most newbs are not aware nor have had ROB experiences to know what they need to look for and what the common scams are, and how common they are.
The OP said:
"You never agreed to any songs but knew that she was going to ask for money?"
This isn't about some newb being taken advantage of. This is calculated to get one over on the dancer.
I say have a little bit of class and self-respect not to stoop to her level. Maybe the OP is still a little whippersnapper and feels he needs to react to being dissed.
Most of us have learned through experience - because strip club operation is not described in Encyclopedia Britanica, the mother of all knowledge.
But definitely dealing with ROBs here who did not state pricing upfront and simply proceeded to impose dances on an unsuspecting customer. And continue to the tune of racking up $400!
Let me tell you guys - my first visit to strip club. I really thought these hot dancers were on clubs payroll. Instead of making minimum wage they made "premium" wage - of course funded by double-priced drinks, cover charge, packed evenings, etc. And the dancers job was to entertain customers any which way - so they could drink more - and of course do stage dances.
In just one visit I was educated by a nice dancer - club doesn't pay the dancers - but the dancer's pay the club to be there.
Damn! Damn - strip club - what an invention!
So if something like this were to happen today - I would not let it go past one song, if that.
On a side note - I would get a kick out of 8or9-rated dancer who simply starts dancing - with no words exchanged - I'd let the dances continue and pay afterwards. But its the drunk or hags who tend to do that - and never a bonafide hottie.
With that said Liwet comes across as a real intelligent guy with a sharp mind in some of his other posts. So he at some point damn well understands how SCs work. The post is asking if a PL can scam them back while playing SC newb hustle in them.
Or maybe more succinctly: is it ok for a PL to prey on dancers because dancers prey on PLs? No. Flag is right, he should take the high road.