Nude clubs can't serve alcohol - is as annoying as it gets

The sound bite "no full nudity with liquor" sounds good to people who don't go to strip clubs. Most voters don't go to strip clubs. So you can probably guess what politicians will do.

Not brilliant but that's life. :(

Totally agree. I spend a fair amount of time in Tampa. The nude clubs like Mons Venus have no alcohol. And club there that has alcohol, the girls have to have pasties. Down in the Miami/Ft Lauderdale area, there are no such restrictions. Probably why I like south Florida better.

I've never had a problem with the no alcohol policy. In my opinion if a man needs alcohol to enjoy naked women he is either gay or has some type of problem. Plus it lessens the overpriced drink hustle that is prevalent in my area.

I can understand why the strippers have a problem with it. It is easier to pry money from a drunk man instead of a soner one. Plus if they can have a dew drinks it makes it easier to deal with the customers.

4got - do you think non-strip club goers (i.e., most voters) care about the details of a strip club beyond - "not in my backyard" ? I think some impotent councilman came up with that - and obviously voters could care less - and no one wanted to be seen fighting it.

Warrior - good to know Miami nude clubs serve liquor.

whodey - I guess that can be seen as an upside

No $12 or $16 "dancer drink" prices to deal with.

i club a bit in california. ca, az, nv nude=no booze. stupid law. and cali topless laws suck too. nevada and arizona topless is much better in that regard. thank goodness that tijuana is just a few hours away from my arizona casa.

Totally legal around the northeast. They even turn a blind eye to getting high in the smoking areas.

skibum - Northeast like in Boston, NY & Philly areas? Didn't know that

It varies around here, upper Midwest. But I also don’t much care one way or another. I’m attracted by pussy and tits, not overpriced alcohol.

While I’d love to drink at a club, I feel like I would also spend way more than I meant to, especially with the way some of these bartenders run their drink hustle. Like chill, I’ll come to you when I’m thirsty

Atlanta - all clubs ex Club Wax are full nude with alcohol & smoking. Club Wax is a bikini club to avoid the license requirement. It's $350 plus a back ground check for dancer licenses.

Miami/South-FL clubs are full-nude on stage, but lap-dances are only topless - every club serves alcohol

I don’t understand those regulations either. I started going to strip clubs in Wisconsin, where you can serve booze in a club with fully nude dancing. When I moved back to my home state of Michigan, I found it hard to justify going to a club that was only topless. I would either go to a club in Canada, or go to a fuly nude juice bar. I came to my senses and gave the topless joints a try, but that was due to the fact they are extras friendly. If the clubs around me were non-extras, I would still only go to nude clubs.

palamino in north las vegas is one exception in the ca, az, nv and new mexico area. nude with alcohol. they were around before the law was changed. nice of nevada giving palomino a break.

Alcohol makes people do stupid shit. Being horny makes people do stupid shit. Being drunk and horny, well...

I get it. Its in place to protect both the strippers from physical and patrons from financial harm.

As I've related before ... when I get a CF at a nude club, I refill a bottle of water with vodka, and we drink that together. Sometimes her stripper bffs will rotate through with us also, sitting and drinking for a while. In some of the nude clubs, they don't care what you're drinking (that is, it doesn't have to come from their juicebar), and in those cases instead of a water bottle, I'll bring an opaque bottle of some fancy iced tea (Sobe or whatever), and refill that with whatever mixed drink she likes

Anyway, though I dislike the "no alcohol w/ nudity" rule, once the girls trust me enough that she'll drink whatever I smuggle in, it downright works to my advantage

@Papi I wasn’t aware that lap dances were only topless I have gotten plenty of lap dances where they were full nude all over South Florida from West Palm to Miami I don’t know if that’s correct. If anyone knows the correct answer please chime in.

I always need a few drinks to help me loosen up and conversate

The moralistic hypocrites in the legislature want to outlaw nude dancing but they can’t because it would be unconstitutional. But the courts allow them to impose “reasonable” restrictions upon nude dancing. So in order to discourage clubs from allowing full nudity they came up with the stoopid alcohol rule. The clubs get much of their money from selling alcohol so they often just go topless instead of nude. In effect, this is a way of discouraging nude dancing without literally prohibiting it.

It’s all bullshit but that’s what passes for public policy. A very similar dynamic has been at work for decades re marijuana.

unfortunately... prudes rule.

In NJ it’s bikini gogo bars with booze. If they are nude - there’s no booze. It’s definitely a bit fucked up.

In my view - if they serve alcohol - they should have better control over how drunk customers become. That’s most likely a major fallacy, but they have no control with guys who bring their own booze.

What johnsmith said. It is an attempt to put clubs out of business without banning them. Either by making them unprofitable for the business or unpopular with the customers.

Yes i found this out in vegas years ago. I'd rather just go to a topless bar if I can't at least have a beer or a shot.

In CA its not part of the laws about strip clubs, its part of the alcohol licensing rules. No one has ever suggested that it could be unconstitutional, like the law against prostitution or laws against nudity.

It does mean higher cover charges. It also means less clubs. Places that have a high number of clubs per capita are like Portland, every club is nude with alcohol, and looks like any bar can just add strippers. Decades ago when I was their, I was really surprised, a few clubs per block in the downtown. Just little places, bars that added a stage.

I feel that no alcohol yields a higher quality of dancer, though I know that is not the intent behind the laws.

SJG

I'm glad I do some of my clubbing in the south suburbs of Chicago -- e.g. Club 390 and Club O -- where nudity (both on stage and in lap dances) and alcohol mix.

DrunkPretorian: If you think "conversate" is a word, you spend too much time with strippers! :) Also, if you "need a few drinks to loosen up", you just might be an alcoholic.

Is Arnie's going to come back and be what it once was?

SJG

Shit I’m guilty on both accounts, Deuce

I've only clubbed in Calif and Oregon, so limited knowledge on FN and alcohol, but Portland OR is awesome, beer and liquor served in full nude clubs.
Good idea Subra on the vodka in a water bottle. I will employ that in my upcoming trip to FN clubs in Rancho Cordova CA

DTS: I'll just re-emphasize that I've only done this with CFs... I feel like offering a random stripper some vodka in a water bottle, is (rightfully) going to get her suspicious that she's going to get roofied. But, with a CF who I know well, no such worries, and we happily sit at the tables and drink together

JS69 and likestolook - thank you and yes that explains it - by not allowing liquor and nude they really want to discourage club owners because they make money on selling alcohol.

MrDeuce - glad to know there are places where nude and liquor are served.

SJG - interesting that no liquor has resulted in higher quality dancers in your case.

Subra - aren't you allowed to carry liquor on your own in a club that is not allowed to serve it?

whodey - good for you - I like some booze in me to loosen up.

rogertex, I think the answer is slightly more complex than my 4 sentence comment implies.

I think it is hard to walk back morals laws.

Take drugs as an example. I am anti-drug but, in my opinion, drug war is a costly disaster. The libertarian attitude toward drugs would be "fuck it, if you can deal with drugs do what you want as long as you don't harm me or my property and if drugs ruin your life that was your choice".

The more practical attitude is that drugs have secondary effects on other people via crime and lost productivity etc. Those secondary effects are actually worse when you criminalize because of the black market. So it would seem sensible to legalize the more harmless drugs and have mandated treatment alternatives for more problematic drugs. Less ruining of people's lives, more freedom, and maybe even cheaper (prison is expensive!)

Details to be worked out by policy wonks.

But will a politician do that? If they do they are called soft on drugs by their opponents. The tide is turning for drugs but for other morals laws they aren't.

Most non strip club patron want two things: NIMBY and to feel like they're doing something - anything - to set the bad people on the right path. So something that sounds like it will do that, even if it's illogical, gets voted in. Then it is hard to get rid of.

How's that for a serious answer. I didn't even use the word "brilliant!"

Oops, I guess I just said brilliant ;)

"If you think "conversate" is a word, you spend too much time with strippers"

Now that's brilliant!

To continue the topic from a different angle, I don't drink much so I'd rather see pussy and butthole than have a drink.

I also don't care if other people drink, as long as they don't drive under the influence. Or get obnoxious in a way that disturbs me or anybody else.

So, philosophically, I'm pro buttholes+bourbon. I just don't care enough to fight it personally. Give me a sexy girl's butthole to stare at and I'm happy. ;)

Just for you 4got2wipe.

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Washington state tried to ban strip clubs in the '70's. The clubs used the 1st amendment to keep them open. The lawmakers said you have the right to express yourselves, but you don't have the right to a liquor license. So after that all WA clubs are juice joints. It is like getting Al Capone for tax evasion when they couldn't nail him for racketeering.

It's hard to walk back puritanical laws because no politician want to be the one saying "Hey, maybe our laws on X are too tough." Most people are happy to sell out other peoples liberty.

^^ well said James

Really, its the laws about alcohol, not the laws about nudity or strip clubs.

SJG

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What JS69 said makes a lot of sense. It’s just about discouraging full nudity.

I am enjoying PTs though. It’s a BYOB club so I can bring as much alcohol as I want. It’s nude optional so there will be some attractive dancers who would otherwise dance at Baby Dolls.

Two things:

We have additional confirmation that lapdanceking82 = brilliant!

Did anybody click on shadowcat's porno link? I've learned the hard way not to click on shadowcat porn

I think shadowcat has a folder labeled "links to disturbing porno to link to as a joke"

=> Is Arnie's going to come back and be what it once was?

Your a ways away from Harvey, Illinois. My guess is probably not, but you might still be able to swing some front room DFK along with a bunch of other front room action (like semi discreet HJ as it seems preferable to CBJ for most TUSCLers) as you probably won't get any meaningful ejaculation services in the chump station anymore.

Oh as for the nudity and no alcohol thing. I don't drink so i don't give a rat's ass about alcohol for the most part. And i don't like to go to clubs with mostly dogs either, so no beer goggles necessary. Some of these nude clubs often have a bar or liquor store not that far away (walking distance) either for the alcoholics and social drinkers to get shitfaced if they need to. I'm much more annoyed by lack of nudity than whatever's in my overpriced drink, although some girls are much more fun in the back with a few or more than a few drinks. Of course, some girls are much more unpleasant with a few or more than few drinks as well.

No more Arnies. Drat. Other's to take it's place?

I know they exist in other metros.

Thanks, SJG

BYOB clubs alcohol policy in South Carolina I used to my advantage by either bringing my own beer in and saving money over other clubs high prices or by just not drinking at all. It's kind of nice to drink a set amount and know that no waitress is going to be bugging you the rest of the night or making comments like these tables are for drinking customers only.

I agree though the law is stupid that guys can't control themselves with alcohol and nude girls but I have no desire to fight a law that benefits me by allowing clubs to allow customers to bring in their own beer. I think some guys used to really take advantage by bringing in large coolers. I just hope they had at least one guy not drinking much. BYOB clubs are the only clubs where beer was so abundant, other guys offered a beer and I offered beer sometimes to dancers and others. I sometimes used to bring in extra beer for a dancer or two. Some dancers would make a point to sit with you if you had her preferred beer.

4got - that serious answer was - um brilliant!

jamesD - " Most people are happy to sell out other peoples liberty."

classic

well i guess BYOB does control booze cost. +1 for that.

But TheFword and even Subra go to nude clubs where even BYOB is not permitted.

shit. i’m going to tijuana tomorrow. i’ll have my shot of don julio and enjoy the ladies. ;)

4got2wipe- you made me look and I wish I hadn't....

In a handful of states, byob nude clubs exist. I love these clubs, but outside of Texas they are spread out sporadically. Places like Pandoras in Dallas, Outhouse in Lawrence KS, Players in Baltimore and a few spread out clubs in PA are among my favorite places to visit. I bring in a large bottle of Crown and watch as it is polished off over the course of the night by thirsty dancers, many of whom bestow plenty of attention just to get a few shots from the bottle. Good times.

But even in places that advertise byob nude, you must make the effort the learn what they will allow. For example, byob in NJ is limited to beer and wine. Same holds true in some counties in SC. Also, even in areas where nude byob clubs are allowed, most club owners do not want to pass on the high margin alcohol sales. CT and MD are two huge examples of this, where byob clubs are few and far between even though it is allowed.

But as the OP pointed out, in most jurisdictions, including many lager metro areas, nude clubs may not serve or even allow alcohol. This leaves us choosing between nude juice bars and topless (or bikini/pastie in some areas) clubs that serve alcohol.

If I am forced to choose between topless with alcohol or nude juice bars, I'll choose the former every time. I find nude juice bars to be too quiet and depressing. Most of them don't bother having bars for the obvious reason, so it is often a bunch of quiet older men sitting at spaced out tables watching the stage intently, at least when they are not at the tip rail locked onto a girl's vagina with an intense death gaze. Too many of these places are quiet and feel a bit creepy to me. I've seen enough vaginas over the years that the sight of a few more is not enough, all by itself, to entice me into a club. I want the full social experience, including free flowing alcohol and pleasant conversations with dancers.

But of course to each his own.

Yeah it would be nice to have alcohol and see pussy. I gotta get over to Florida!

Byob usually is going to mean that it is a membership club. Such clubs can be byob or no alcohol. I feel that membership clubs are the way of the future.

SJG

Rick - agree with you. Larry - yeah man ! SJG - as noted by others on this thread - restrictions around nudity and alcohol are varied - with a handful of places - like Florida having no restrictions. Texas doesn't require membership for BYOB clubs.