Getting out of PL land
Pyroxl
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I like how this hobby acknowledges itself as PL's (vs escort hobbyists who don't call themselves PL's for example)>
A first step to change is recognizing the current state.
What's the path out of PL-dom? I use hobbies of various types to save time while I'm working my way up the certification ladder in my field. It helps keep me in touch with the fairer sex but my game is stagnating without the time to invest in it.
A first step to change is recognizing the current state.
What's the path out of PL-dom? I use hobbies of various types to save time while I'm working my way up the certification ladder in my field. It helps keep me in touch with the fairer sex but my game is stagnating without the time to invest in it.
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Well, not really. I have a feeling I'm in to stay.
Out means being able to pick up hot women with game and not just money. Can still be a hobbyist without being a PL. So, separating the PL-ness from hobbying.
- Sleeping with civvie chicks is not hobbying. "Hobby" is the word mongers use for their sexual activities. It's their hobby. It costs money to do, and requires some amount of research, just like collecting, or fishing, or model rocket building. Sleeping with civvie chicks is just having sexual relationships. It's not a hobby.
It like anything you want to improve at in life it's repetitive activities.
If you strip clubs in conjunction with trying to pick up Cevie chicks it can work. Only go to strip clubs after you gone to a bar or club and got 5 rejections (but sincere attempts and rejections)
Maybe you land a date online. Go to a strip clubs before the date and go after wards.
Sound like a guy who's just trying to muster the courage you need to transition to not being over reliant on strip clubs for all your female actions and that's how I hand it.
There's that saying that behind every hot girl is a guy tired of fucking her. How do PL's become that guy? Tall guys have an advantage but they still have to work at it; I knew a 6'5" dude who had bad posture and thus no game. Those of us PL's who are still single and looking are also looking to improve the courtship/seduction skills.
Game? I don't have any game. But I do have money.
Whether or not you can pick up hot women with game and not money is irrelevant. If you still go to a strip club to have paid fun with a stripper, with "game" or not, you're still a PL.
But you can never leave!
All kidding aside, I love being a PL. It is fun as long as you don't confuse fantasy with reality. You're paying for time with these hot women, and if they do a good job of entertaining you, it is money well spent.
These clubs would not be in business if it weren't for us PL's. These girls actually need us PL's as a source of income, otherwise they would need to choose some other type of career where they make less money, and therefore may struggle to survive.
I’ve also found that online dating helps to weed through lots of women who might not be game. I’m just looking for hookups - and not relationships - so my goals may differ.
With respect to mongering - and PL-ing - I do that to hook up as well - and that introduces nsa variety.
I’m not looking to stop either practice. However - I’m not looking for a gf - and I make that very clear upfront with civilian women (with strippers - that’s a given).
That being said, if I were to get divorced, I'd probably just go deeper into the PL lifestyle, rather than try my hand at being single & dating again.
SJG
Would appreciate any advice on picking up 7's for sex and 9's for relationships. I have noticed sometimes that ONS girls are not as hot but maybe the 9's were just more discreet.
Bro the best advice you can get is to stop discriminating and categorizing civie women by rating #. SC, fine, but not IRL.
Next, from personal experience, treat your 4-5's as 9-10's, and the 9-10's as 4-5's.
Really, try it!! WOrks wonders. You'll get the best out of the regular girls, and intrigue the stunners. Both will like you more than most others guys in their life. Give it a try.
Find a woman you want to take out, plan a date, approach her and ask her confidently to go on that date with you. The thick skin is for the occasional brutal rejections. But those will be few and far between. Most rejections will be a polite no.
the chase is better than the end result if you bag a cb (civvie bitches)? a i've met guys who love the chase. not sure why.
anyway, you shower, splash on the cologne, get all decked out just to shot down 98% of the time if you are in say nyc, la or any similar big city. 75% if you are elsewhere. 75-98% shot down rate. i dunno - all that rejection, disappointment will just lead one to feel like shit, feeling pissed off and huge amounts of alcohol to drown down all of that.
PLersville-you shower, splash on the cologne, get all decked out the girls at the strip club will appreciate you, and you and her will both have a marvelous time 75-98% of the time. more often than not you will the club feeling happy. cb's i gather take this shit kind of for granted.
with cb you have to engage with social dynamics. you have to appear to be real social to the point of over the top just get some faint interest. and you have to listen to cb babble about her interests-you know-shit that you have to appear to have a slight interest in but in reality you couldn't give 2 shits about. then you have to "entertain" her shitty girlfriends so you don't get on their shit list. once on this list those cunts will tell your cb target that they dont like you and you will be seriously cockblocked. this is not fun to me and sounds like too work to invest in an endeavor that more than unlikely is unworthwhile.
over at PLersville you can actually really be your real self and the girls there more often than not will get a real hard laugh.
with cb you can go on date, does not work out and that will set you back $100-200. maybe a peck on the cheek and goodbye.fucking twat.
PLersville-$100-200 oh so many good things can happen. if one of the good things happen the first night guess what? you still might have some cash leftover and you can go another another night and have more fun again.
- If he's your best friend, how come you haven't emulated his methods?
There is no such thing as "game".
There is only BBD. You can either represent that you hold the promise of a Bigger Better Deal or you don't/can't.
Either you are better looking or richer or more powerful or more famous or more stable than what they have or you don't/aren't. If you are an upgrade in whatever is most vital to a woman, they fall for your "game". If you are not an upgrade, best case scenario will be friend zone.
If you have no hopes of becoming better looking, or richer, more powerful, famous or stable than a woman's current options, then you must look downstream and try again. The "game" is in figuring out what is important to a woman (wealth, power, status, security, etc.) and then deciding if you have that thing or not. If not, cut your losses and search elsewhere.
Women are the most skilled creatures at selecting a partner that hits their hot buttons. We don't pick them, they pick us.
That is what makes being a PL in the strip club world such an awesome rush. It is the one and only time/place where (most of us) get to do the choosing. Cash = game. We get to play outside our lane. Strippers have clearly signaled what they desire -- cash.
That is what makes being a PL in the strip club world such an awesome rush. It is the one and only time/place where (most of us) get to do the choosing."
yes, i couldn't agree more
Girls don't just open you to ask about what improvements you might have over their current deal.
The only civvy 9 I ever had sex with was a case where she was a friend of a friend, dating someone else when we first met, got to know her over time and had a lot in common, and she chose me (I was 24 and fit and single at the time). I've had plenty of make out sessions with civvy 7s in my life, but actually fucking the first night you meet is rare.
I was running for the door
I had to find the passage back to the place I was before
"Relax, " said the night man
"We are programmed to receive
You can check-out any time you like
But you can never leave!"
I think we agree.
Step 1: Have something that is actually an upgrade. Cash, power, fame, looks, etc.
Step 2: Present that you have THAT something that she is looking for -- i.e., have game.
IMO, in real life, if we spit game that we cannot back up with reality, we might get a one-nighter, but that's it.
That's what I love about the SC life as opposed to IRL, I have cash, she wants cash -- let's make a deal.
The bad guys get the free pussy, the road head, the threesomes, muscles, tattoos, cigarettes, low income jobs, vengeance, and jail time.