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Viagra, Cialis, Levitra

DougS
Florida
Thursday, February 1, 2007 10:39 AM
Bones: Okay, you asked for it! I, like Bones, use the these "recreational drugs" in order to prolong the fun, on ocassion - especially when OTCing. I've strictly bought via prescription, and financed solely with my insurance. With my insurance, I only have to pay $10 for the entire bottle! BUT, the bad news is, my insurance, like most insurance companies, limit you to SIX pills a month. Yowza, that's sometimes less than needed - even for those of us that don't get out to the club (or hotel) that often. Like Bones stated, you have to be careful if you have high blood pressure. It's also recommended that you don't imbibe too much alcohol, as it tend to heighten the side effects (it also tends to lower the "front effects"). The side effects are fairly minimal, and as Bones one of the main symptoms is a "flush feeling". Usually my face will become slightly reddened, and will feel a bit like a minor wind burn for a time - in my experience, lasting longer than the few minutes. I also usually get a mild headache, which seems to be worse the more I drink (fortunately, I usually drink very little, if at all). A few other potential side effects that I don't think I've experienced are a slight tint to your vision (I believe it's a pink tint) that you might see if you look at something that normally is white, it might appear pinkish. Another weird things is your eyeball might appear to be slightly bluish, instead of white, but who's going to notice that in a dark club - especially when your eyes are already red from the smoke and drinking. I've tried all three, and I think Viagra might be a tad more reliable, but I also like the convenience of Cialis, where you can take it early in the evening and if you don't get down to serious playing right away, it doesn't matter, where the other two might not provide jump-starting ability if you wait too long. Bones: You've purchase from the link that you posted? Have you always received the REAL thing from them? (or did you get the imitation Chinese version?)

58 comments

  • DougS
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    17 years ago
    Turan8: I'm very interested in hearing more about the powdered form of these drugs, and how one makes use of it. Any light you can shed on this, would be appreciated!
  • DougS
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    17 years ago
    Turan8: Ok, sounds very interesting and the price is right. So, some questions immediately come to mind... 1) how do you measure out the powder to the proper dosage? 2) how do you carry the dosage around (do you also have to buy empty capsules?)? 3) Will my purchase of this drug, in the powered form put my name on the list of potential "chemists" that the cops will be watching, especially if I have purchased cold medication recently?
  • turan8
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    17 years ago
    I just wanted to mention for you guys, you can get pure, powdered Sildenafil (aka powdered Viagra) for $30/2g which is the equivalent of $1.50/100mg dose at [view link] online...
  • Book Guy
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    17 years ago
    Chitown: that's the best defense for getting a lawyer's salary that I've ever read. I think I AM going to go to law school. :) Really, I've worried about it too. I don't exactly know how it fits with human biology, this thing by which "being yourself" makes you unhappy. Or, to put it differently, fitting in to your culture somehow drives you against your own grain. I don't imagine that dogs and springboks experience such grief over a little silly biological act that amounts to an elaborate sneeze and a lot of cuddling. Maybe they do, I dunno, I haven't evern fucked a springbok. I'm glad I never married. There are women in my past whom I "loved" and learned a lot from. Though from some of them, the learning was by negative example only -- here's a girl who doesn't have the IQ necessary for me to partner with her, but lo and behold I'm her long-term boyfriend anyway, well then, guess I have to learn to tolerate her mental slowness and value her for something else, a positive lesson in the end but a frustrating experience in the middle. And other similar experiences. Girls clinically depressed, on Xanax or something; people who can't hold down a job because of alcohol habits; etc. Always I learned tolerance. The one girl I really valued was actually eight months older than me. As is the case with all my ex-girlfriends (except one lunatic) I'm still on good terms with her. I valued her sanity, her soul, her lack of princessy-ness. She was hot, intelligent, funny, totally voracious in bed. And I loved her doggie. But then, she had a huge butt (to me) and I would sometimes look at the preposterous outfits she chose that she mistakenly thought accentuated her assets but which actually made her look inept, lower-class, trampy. And I'd have to say to myself, "I'm a visual person. I wish I were blind, because I could stay with this woman for my whole life." I posted a pic of her once (with face blurred) and everyone responded, "Dude, she's hot. But yeah, that's a fat ass." Too bad I had to look at it, it ruined an otherwise excellent relationship. Maybe I need cataracts?
  • chitownlawyer
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    17 years ago
    BookGuy: Intentionally or inadvertently, you have hit upon one of the problems with having been married in your younger years (as most people are) to a close contemporary (as most people are), and wanting to maintain an active sex life--from a sexual point of view, how do you deal with your spouse's aging body. My wife takes good care of herself, and as a young woman had a 6-7 face, but an 8-9 body. And, if you compare her to women her own age, those statistics probably still apply. But the fact is, for women in particular, gravity bats last, and all things go down in the end. (In all fairness, she may feel the same about me and my body). I tried for years to get her to blow me, and about four years gave up when it occurred to me: I didn't WANT a blow job from a forty year old woman. I'm not sure what the answer is to the conundrum that you raised, but it certainly struck a chord with me.
  • Yoda
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    17 years ago
    Chandler: You make a good point but I would hope that a little self-control and simple communication with the dancer would prolong the activities for as long as both parties are interested. It is, after all, a decision that a lot of dancers face: Do they try to get the guy off quickly so he will think he got a great deal and come back again or take take some time and tease, hoping to sell more dances?
  • Book Guy
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    17 years ago
    The typical North American house-wife: overweight, uninteresting, naggy, poorly groomed, with a wide round face reminiscent of a bass, greedily plucking the latest credit card offers for new housewares, particularly storage space, giant white saggy knicker-style underpants, depilatories, and adult diapers. Otherwise known as, the leading cause of erectile dysfunction in men over forty. Why would I WANT to get married? :)
  • shadowcat
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    17 years ago
    HK: Not to worry. I'm 65 and didn't start using these drugs untill about 10 yeas ago. All of the warnings tell you to get a check up with your M.D. to make sure that you are healty enough for using them. Ie. fucking. Your are not that old. My ED resulted from the fact that the bitch I was married to couldn't arouse me. After 10 years of a sexless and useless marriage, I turned to strip clubs for some fun. I still had problems getting it up because at first what I was doing scared the shit out of me. Cheating. Secondly, there was not emotional envolvement with the strippers. Thirdly, I am a heavy moker and suffer from hight pressure. It is well under control with medication but that medication also has side effects on getting it up. If I quit smoking, I could probabbly drop the MEDS and get along without the Viagra etc. Alcohol also a problem when it comes to ED. That is why I don't drink when I go to a strip club or thinkg that I am going to get laid. I'll do my drinking afterwards. Like has been mentioned, these drugs do not get you turned on. You still have to have stimulus. Whatever you prefer. I remember going to the emergency room 3 year ago, on an unrelated matter. The paramedics gathered up all of my prescriptions to give to the hospital staff, so that they would know what I was taking, If I was incoherent. The M.D. that was checking me out, Looked to be older than me. He noticed the Viagra and remarked "Good stuff, I use it myself". Not to worry, it happens to all men. Some sooner than others but it happens to all of us. 40 Years ago my company would not pay for normal child birth. Only 2 years that I have ever been able to wright of medical expenses when filing my income taxes. But that had no problem paying for my vesectomy. Now a days it seems like they know that by keeping us sexually active it is going to save them money. Not to worry...
  • HarleyKing
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    17 years ago
    Glad this was brought up here. Please give me some levity and allow me to ask some serious questions in regards to ED. I'm 36 and going to see the Urologist for the first time next week. "He" just doesn't work like he used to when I was in my 20's. I discussed it with my family doctor about 6 months and he said lose some weight and you'll be fine. Well I've lost 40+ lbs and everything is not fine. He also did the blood work ups for diabetes, high blood pressure, etc, etc and all was fine. My problem is not necessarily getting an erection but maintaining it to ejaculation during intercourse. I can usually get it hard enough to manually finish but not quite hard enough to insert again. This doesn't happen all the time probably about 50%. This isn't something I discuss with friends and co workers about, so is this normal for a guy approaching middle age? How about recovery time? Does Viagra and the others help in that regard as well? I'm I freaking out over nothing or is this all normal? Thanks all D.
  • DandyDan
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    17 years ago
    This reminds me of the trip to my local club last night. I went to the VIP with a young, presumably college age girl. Somehow, our conversation turned to viagra. I told her about how some guys use Viagra when they go to the club and she wondered whether anyone ever actually gets some at the club. Then again, I don't think anyone ever had any takeout there, so I don't know if it's naivety or stupidity.
  • DougS
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    17 years ago
    Bones: Yet another reason that I plan to spend the day with my ATF, OTCing... I want to keep her as far away from this reunion as I possibly can!
  • FONDL
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    17 years ago
    "I believe that keeping interested in sex will prolong our lives." I think studies have actually established that to be true.
  • DougS
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    17 years ago
    Bones: Uhh... maybe I will have to sit at a DIFFERENT table for the TUSCL North Chapter Reunion!
  • shadowcat
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    17 years ago
    I am happy to hear so many of you guys coming out of the closet and admitting to using these drugs. We may not be the ALPHA wolf anymore but I believe that keeping interested in sex will prolong our lives...
  • chandler
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    17 years ago
    I thought we were only talking about doctors (and the mfr.) not recommending it for women. It makes as much sense for them to try it as for men without ED as far as I know.
  • DougS
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    17 years ago
    Yoda: Why waste $10 a pop (or with insurance, it costs me $1.70) on V/L/C for just a lad dance? That amount of money is like dropping pennies on the street... it's meaningless. Like Chandler eluded to, when I get LDs, my goal is not to nut as fast as I can. Typically, if I'm getting LDs, I'm getting them for HOURS. During my last half-dozen trips to a club, I litterally spent 8 hours in VIP - that's 8 hours solid of "play time". So, prolonging the climax is the goal. Actually, I prefer NOT to leave with a wet spot. Additionally, I get plenty of enjoyment out of those marathon sessions, but being the sensitive guy that I am, giving the dancer something hard to rub on so that SHE gets some enjoyment out of it, too.
  • casualguy
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    17 years ago
    I understand. There are reports that it can intensify orgasms in women but it hasn't been studied in women. Therefore there could be some serious side effects no one knows about yet if women take it. That makes perfect sense if someone takes some medication for a purpose that it was not intended for. Might be similiar to saying testosterone hormone treatment might intensify women's orgasms but it's not recommended because there could be cruel side effects. Disclaimer: I don't know anything about the medical effects of viagra in women or testosterone but was just using it as an example. I am not a doctor.
  • chandler
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    17 years ago
    Yoda: It might make more sense for someone who doesn't get lap dances with the goal of ejaculating in the fewest songs possible.
  • chandler
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    17 years ago
    Lopaw: I thought you were at least somewhat sarcastic, because most of the posters have said they don't have to use Viagra, they choose to use it to enhance their strip club visits. I only wrote why Viagra isn't recommended for women in response to Casualguy's question. Although most of its use may be recreational, it's official purpose is to address a disfuntion, not to make orgasms more awesome.
  • lopaw
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    17 years ago
    No irony intended, chandler. I'm glad that there is medication out there for those who need it.....it just seems so alien to me, since I'm female, fairly young, and everything still "works" (at least so far - knock on wood).While it is true that women don't have this particular problem, there are other female issues that older women can experience as well. That's why we love our young strippers, right? And Yoda...if I ever find myself in bed with a middle-aged man, I'm gonna have a lot more issues going on that just wondering about Viagra!
  • Yoda
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    17 years ago
    OK, in all seriousness, age and medical issues can take their toll on BOTH sexes. One of the biggest issues is lack of understanding from your partner and misinformed assumptions from people who have no idea of what is really involved.Women go through changes just as men do as they get older. As for "recreational use". Geeezzz, the stuff is about ten dollars per pill, I wouldn't waste it on lap dances or a little rub and tug in the VIP room. Besides, as most guys will tell you, Viagra keeps you hard but also makes it a lot harder to ejaculate. This is great when you want to boink all night but not so good when you are paying for stimulation one song at a time
  • FONDL
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    17 years ago
    "No matter how old a woman gets, the equipment will ALWAYS work." There are a lot of old married guys out there who would disagree with that - maybe that's why so many of them hang out in strip clubs (LOL.)
  • chandler
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    17 years ago
    Viagra is not recommended for women because it is prescribed only to treat impotence, which isn't an issue unless you have a penis. I can't tell how much Lopaw is being ironic. For anybody who really does have to use Viagra, I'm glad it's available for them. I'll be extra glad if I ever develop a disfunction. I chose not to continue using it recreationally partly because I don't want to become dependent on a pill in order to feel aroused until I really need to.
  • Yoda
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    17 years ago
    Lopaw, I'm not looking for sympathy. It's really not that big of a deal. These medications help treat an age old problem that previously had no cure. I know it's unlikely, but if you one day find yourself in bed with a middle aged man, you'll be glad these drugs exist. For those of you who are on the fence I would remind you that you may not be as studley as you think you are. About a year ago I was chatting with one of my favorite dancers and the topic of Viagra "came up". She was curious about it, her BF was about the same age as I am and I asked her if he had ever used it. She replied no but she wished he would try it...
  • lotsoffun201
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    17 years ago
    It does intensify the woman's orgasm, and also it has been studied as a fertility drug for women as well. It seems that the intensified female orgasm does help with conception. Be careful out there. LOL You can find some research on the net with a simple google search. As far as the stuffy nose, it can be counteracted with a SINGLE shot of Afrin nasal inhaler. Lopaw......sorry but when you get as old as we do, the desire is there, but the equipment just needs a bit of waking up. No matter how old a woman gets, the equipment will ALWAYS work.
  • lopaw
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    17 years ago
    Wow. It's sad that you guys have to use that stuff. My heart goes out to you.
  • casualguy
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    17 years ago
    I never even realized some guys were taking it just for the strip club visit. I wonder why it's not recommended for women if it intensifies their orgasm? Maybe because that would increase the demand and price? Thinking about viagra here, I don't know if the other two do the same thing for women. I thought someone posted something about viagra intensifying women's orgasm.
  • Yoda
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    17 years ago
    Viagra dilates your blood vessels making it easier to get hard. You still need the same mental or physical stimulations you would normally need to get aroused. I take meds for high blood pressure so the Viagra is a big help. I don't bother with it in clubs but I wouldn't dream of boinking some hot 30 something escort with out it.
  • chandler
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    17 years ago
    By definition, recreational use means you don't need it. I tried Viagra, hoping it would help me get hard more quickly, for example, when we get to talking about everyday stuff, then she wants to start a dance. (Hate when that happens.) Viagra didn't help. It just made me alarmingly too hard once I got back in the mood. It only effects you physically. I didn't care for the side effects, either, especially headaches.
  • DougS
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    17 years ago
    BookGuy: The rec meds don't increase your desire... the desire is already there... it's like trying to pour more beer in a pitcher that is already over flowing... It just improves recovery time, which in your example would decrease the gap for you - more sex in the same amount of time. Fondl: Ditto. 'Cept ignore the gap part, since you weren't concerned about it...
  • FONDL
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    17 years ago
    As the oldest guy here, I'm happy to report that I've never tried these drugs because I've never needed them. Everything works just fine.
  • Book Guy
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    17 years ago
    I'm not quite on the same page as you gents about these recreational drugs. For me, the LAST thing in the world that I want to do, is increase the disjunction between my desire for sex, and the amount of sex that I actually receive. The gap is already too wide. There would be two ways to reduce that gap -- increase the sex I get, or reduce the amount of sex I want. Likewise, there would be two ways to increase that gap -- reduce the sex I get, or increase the amount of sex I want. It seems to me, the pills would increase the amount of sex I want, thus EXACERBATING rather than alleviating the frustration. Why would I want to do that? The LAST thing in the world that I want, is to want EVEN MORE of it, but still get the same ol' lame ol' amount that I'm currently getting, which isn't enough in the first place. See where I'm coming (erm ... heh) from? Your thoughts?
  • Book Guy
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    17 years ago
    I'm not quite on the same page as you gents about these recreational drugs. For me, the LAST thing in the world that I want to do, is increase the disjunction between my desire for sex, and the amount of sex that I actually receive. The gap is already too wide. There would be two ways to reduce that gap -- increase the sex I get, or reduce the amount of sex I want. Likewise, there would be two ways to increase that gap -- reduce the sex I get, or increase the amount of sex I want. It seems to me, the pills would increase the amount of sex I want, thus EXACERBATING rather than alleviating the frustration. Why would I want to do that? The LAST thing in the world that I want, is to want EVEN MORE of it, but still get the same ol' lame ol' amount that I'm currently getting, which isn't enough in the first place. See where I'm coming (erm ... heh) from? Your thoughts?
  • DougS
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    17 years ago
    LOF: Oh yeah, the stuffy nose... I'd never read that was a potential side effect, and was thinking maybe it was must due to my sinus issues. Guess not. I took a double dose for one particular OTC and I couldn't breathe out of my nose for the next few hours... THAT side effect, I don't like at all...
  • lotsoffun201
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    17 years ago
    I much prefer the Cialis as I get more side effects from Viagra such as flushing and stuffy nose. Since I am in the medical field I either get them at cost or free. I have tried Levitra which I did not like as much. With regards to Viagra and Cialis I also break them in half. Cialis also seems to work much longer and as a side effect it also shrinks the prostate gland for those of us with prostatitis. Just for fun, try giving 50 mg of Viagra to your partner with their permission of course. It intensifies a woman's orgasm. My SO really likes it from time to time.
  • trojangreg
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    17 years ago
    Always remember for erections that last longer than 4 hours GET ANOTHER DANCER.
  • trojangreg
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    17 years ago
    BONES: My doctor prescribes the 100's not the 50's. He told me to cut it in half and chew it(usual pill chalky yuck) it will go to work in half the time and be just as effective as swallowing the whole pill. Seems to work plus it gives me an opportunity to check things out as it kicks in pretty quickly. So my 8 pills last for 16 encounters. Love that blue lightning.
  • shadowcat
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    17 years ago
    I once had a dancer tell me that half of the people in the club were on Viagra. The other half were on Xtasy. Yes, at 65 I need a little help. My MD has given me samples and prescriptions for all 3. I do take medication for high blood pressure, due to smoking but the medication has me under control. I first tried the Viagra. It worked but the side effects upset my stomach. I then switched to Levitra. Same as Viagra in that for 30 minutes my face felt really flushed but no stomach upset. I still have the samples of Cialis but have not tried them yet. My insurance allowes me 9 per month. I have never used more than 5, so I have no problem with it. Alcohol will destroy their effects. The first time I tried Viagra, I had been sober for several weeks. I was tipping a dancer on stage and got a rock hard boner in seconds. She noticed. When I was 18, I could drink and fuck all night. Now it is one or the other. I pop a pill before hand and do my drinking afterwards.
  • DougS
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    17 years ago
    Harley: Call your Dr and ask him for samples. They usually have sample packets containing 4 to 6 tablets. Maybe he could set asside some samples and let you come by and pick them up (so that you don't have to pay for an office visit). With pill in hand (okay, in stomach by way of mouth), give it a shot. It should at least help you, getting, maintaining and recovering. Nothing to lose, a lot to gain!
  • turan8
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    17 years ago
    1)Personally, I bought a jewelry scale accurate to .001g on ebay (you can use a any type of scale accurate to .005g). Next, I took a 2x4 board section and drilled ten holes in it in a line using a drill press down to about 1/2" depth, with a 1/4" drill bit. Then, I bought a 500 pack of empty gelatin capsules from GNC and put ten of the bottom halves in the holes I drill in the 2x4 section. I then put 50mg of Viagra (sildafil) powder in the capsules that I measured out for each dose into the bottom halves using a small funnel I made out of paper. 50mg is good enough for me, but you can experiment with your own dosage...try not to exceed 100mg because that is what the commercial pill uses. Finally I put the tops firmly on the bottoms of the capsules and dumped them out on to a table by turning the 2x4 over. 2) Yup, I use empty capsules. 3) Since the supplier is in the UK, there's no evidence to come back to you as far as the US is concerned. The chemical is shipped discreetly in a yellow envelope with the powder in a ziploc bag labeled "Glutamate 2g" sorry for the delay, I don't check this board very often. Also, it looks like elitenet is in the process of having a merger with another company and should be shipping again in like a week. If I find another supplier quickly, I'll let you guys know.
  • turan8
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    17 years ago
    Hey everyone I found an even cheaper place than [view link]--->[view link] You can get 40 Generic Cialis doses for ~$53 which is $1.33/dose Or if you make your own pills like I do you can get the bulk powder here for 20gr. for $96 which, if you're making 20mg doses would be enough for 1000 doses or 9.6 cents per dose.
  • turan8
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    17 years ago
    So what does everyone think?
  • chandler
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    17 years ago
    I think you should skip the capsules and add it by the teaspoon to a brownie recipe. Or dump a scoop to your instant breakfast.
  • DougS
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    17 years ago
    Turan8: It sounds like an awful lot of trouble to go through to make them. I have problems with doing it that way...first, I don't have all of the accessories that you have (the board with pre-drilled holes for the capsule halves, and scales, etc.) If I DID, where the heck would I keep it? Not at home with the wife and kids... no way to explain that stuff... not at work, either... To me, I think it's worth the money for the convenience of actual pills. Gotta give you credit, though.. sounds like you have it down to a science. Do you don hospital whites with hair net and slippers when you are in your laboratory?
  • turan8
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    17 years ago
    doug, If you want to get it cheap and fairly hassle free than go to airsealed marketing where you can buy the Viagra for $11 per 10 doses of 100mg if you buy 4 packs. That's basically $44 for 40 doses or rather $1.10 per dose. And that's a strong dose too, I like to cut it down to 50mg, so if you do it that way and use a pill splitter from wallgreens for $4 than you can make 80 doses for that same $44 or 55 cents per dose.
  • turan8
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    17 years ago
    oh i forgot to add the link for the actual pills doug: [view link] you can see at the bottom for bulk pricing, it starts at 4 packs and up.
  • shadowcat
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    17 years ago
    I think that you guys are nuts, Buying prescription only drugs from foreign people that you don't know is a damn good way to kill yourself. You might as well find a hooker with aids and fuck her without a condom.
  • turan8
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    17 years ago
    Ya sure dumbass, like Pfizer produces Viagra in the US? No way they make it in India and China, the same place, the SAME CHEMICAL PLANTS, you're buying the generics from.
  • chandler
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    17 years ago
    Turan: The danger is that the drug you buy isn't what it claims to be. When you buy Viagra with a prescription from a legitimate domestic pharmacist, you know that it meets FDA standards. When you buy generic powder without a prescription over the internet from an offshore entity with no accountability, you can't be sure that it isn't baking soda. Or anthrax, anything. Even if you buy tablets with the Pfizer label from an offshore website, they could be counterfeit. Maybe you haven't heard, internet drug fraud is a huge racket.
  • turan8
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    17 years ago
    Well, what I'm saying is that these particular drugs, are made in the same plants by the same people as viagra, only it doesn't have the stamp. The plants are the biggest part of what goes through FDA screening, not each individual dose, come on now....
  • chandler
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    17 years ago
    How do you know? I'm sure that's what the bogus webstes say, too.
  • turan8
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    17 years ago
    It would cost more to add poisons etc, then to sell off their excess stock of chemicals. Basically Pfizer only has a certain quantity requirement for Viagra production every month. However, it's not cost effective to only have the machines that produce sildenafil citrate run only during Pfizer's production of the drug, so the companies keep the machines running to so they don't lose money by keeping the machines down. Ironically, they get about the the same amount of money selling the bulk powder and generics as the do selling sildenafil to Pfizer. I have a friend that works as a chemical engineer in pharmaceuticals and that's how they explained it and it makes pretty good sense.
  • chandler
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    17 years ago
    We already know about generics. The question is how do you know thagt what you're buying from a third world website with no accountability isn't a scam or worse? Or are you saying that internet drug fraud is a myth?
  • turan8
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    17 years ago
    How do you know anything you buy on the internet isn't a scam? You buy something cheap, if it works you buy more. That's what I did, and it's great.
  • chandler
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    17 years ago
    Turan: I hope you luck continues to hold up. Not everyone is so willing to ingest unknown substances on a trial and error basis.
  • turan8
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    17 years ago
    scaredy cat! lol
  • chandler
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    17 years ago
    That's me. I did all my adventurous drug taking when I was young and invincible.
  • FunSeeker
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    17 years ago
    This topic has been very informative!
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