Kissing dancers (for SJG)

Stripperweb represents a tiny, loud-mouth, know it all sub-section of dancers.

I just love how strippers think they still have some moral high ground left to stand on. Don't get me wrong, I still respect strippers because they are women and I always respect women, and I would never force myself on anyone in any way.

But, it just seems naive to me that the dancers in that thread assume guys shouldn't be interested in kissing, and that they would completely dismiss the extra and/or steady money they could get from it.

It makes me sad to know there are guys out there that make the statement "I make them tip me big" possible. The standard response to "do I get a tip for that?" needs to be "You might have, until you asked for it?" followed by no tip. Then, maybe they would learn to quit asking. And the guys who don't tip, when appropriate, would learn their lesson when girls never come over to see them again.

I'm not into kissing dancers on the lips whatsoever. I'd much rather kiss on their ass and breasts over their lips. My ATF DS and I will give each other hug and a kiss on the cheek goodbye as I leave the club after an LDK but never on the lips.

I know I'm a minority on this, but kissing on the lips to me is very intimate and I only want to kiss my wife that way. There's gotta be love (or an interest in a civie relationship) involved if I am going to kiss or receive a kiss on the lips. I'm glad if most strippers don't like it. Anywhere but my lips is fine. But no tongue please.

Whether the evidence presented is reliable or not, it's cute that you think you can put a dent in SJG's delusional belief in his own creepy-as-fuck "omniscience".

Apparently you first dont treat them like a civilian and engage them in front room gfe. ...this is a recording...

This would be a useful effort if you were attempting to inform a rational member of his error. Since this is targeted at SJG - I am thinking it’s a lost cause.

In my years of clubbing, I’ve found that most dancers enjoy money over kissing and LDK’ing. There is a huge drop off after money - and the kissing and LDK stuff falls way down the list.

I think what SJG enjoys is GFE front room experiences - extended front room make out sessions - and he imagines the dancers are so enamored with his conversation - that they also love it.

Some PLs get so caught up in the SS and GFE provided that the forget that all they are doing is paying for SS and being provided a fantasy. If a PL wants some front room DFK the stripper will provide that as an investment for more - dances, VIP, OTC, etc.

And then if you are a blathering idiotic narcissist, you may fall for all the SS and actually think it is "real". Then you go to message boards and preach as if it is all reality unbeknownst that it is you that is the PL chump at the end of it all.

@Cashman1234 “I think what SJG enjoys is GFE front room experiences - extended front room make out sessions –“

if i may i’d like to point out the obvious here. the lying autistic psycho moron posts over and over again how all of “his” strip clubs are strictly “no touching”. he doesn’t go to nor has he ever been to any clubs in san francisco or elsewhere. that means that there are no front room make out sessions GFE or otherwise. there are also no mexican hat dancing circuits, there are no enamored strippers who just want to be fucked toda la noche by a misogynist alcoholic imbecile, and there are no strip clubs in all of california that would let this jackass in the front door so surprise, surprise san_jose_guy does not go to strip clubs at all

To be honest DrPhil - I’ve never seen a customer make out with a dancer in any club (in a front room). I don’t have experience in SJG’s clubbing area - so I can’t comment directly. It seems very odd to me.

The blathering idiotic narcissist probably will not even mention the specifics as to where and when these DFK experiences actually happened. It will all be a vague generality put forth about how these fictitious strippers want to be treated and blah blah blah without any details. But put forth as matter of fact statements.

Then eventually he will pivot the conversation to belittling those that get dances and how most of us normal PLs club. Again in contrast to his ideal that only exists in his head. I think he is stuck in the bygone era of SF strip clubs in the 1980s. I cut my monger teeth in SF in the late 90s and the clubs are no different than they are now and pretty similar to other major cities. There are no strippers there wanting to DFK a charmer like the blathering idiotic narcissist says they want and then will fuck you for free OTC. There's never a select PL in a club DFKing on the main floor. None of what he says actually happens in Bay Area clubs.

But again, all of what I say will be vehemently denied, refuted, and insulted by the blathering idiotic narcissist with vague and non-specific claims put forth as absolute truth.

On stripper web it is mostly venting. They say negative things about kissing. But I searched it carefully when I first jointed TUSCL. They also talk about escorting and they all do it then.

Also, even at our own local no touching clubs, when a girl gets mad at the boss, likely she will be kissing a customer. If a girl want so line up immediate OTC, likely kissing.

If a girl likes you, she will want kissing.

If you see these girls as beneath you, or something like inanimate objects, then just stay far away from them.

SJG

^"The blathering idiotic narcissist probably will not even mention the specifics as to where and when these DFK experiences actually happened. It will all be a vague generality put forth about how these fictitious strippers want to be treated and blah blah blah without any details. But put forth as matter of fact statements."

SirLapdancealot is a complete idiot.

SJG

^"Then eventually he will pivot the conversation to belittling those that get dances and how most of us normal PLs club".

I understand your points regarding kissing - but I’m unaware of clubs that will allow that type of activity in the front room. If a dancer begins kissing a customer - the manager or bouncer will come over and tell them to move to a back room.

Are the clubs you frequent different SJG? It seems they don’t allow touching - but kissing is ok?

At our local clubs, kissing is not okay, but it happens.

At our underground clubs, kissing is not okay, but it happens even more often. Many of the girls there are of this group I call, "The Beloved Latina Escorts". They live in this world to give guys awesome GFE sessions. They make a guy feel like a king. Kissing is the most natural thing in the world for them.

When clubs have been slated to close, building demolition usually, there are some girls who do little else but kissing, starting at stage side. They'll just keep kissing you until they've got your money and your jizm.

In San Francisco, it depends on who is running it. Pre- Deja Vu, it most certainly was okay. Not universal, but common. Now? The basic DV business model is one of enforcing unnecessary rules to make it into a clip joint. They force everything into the back room, but this does not increase the mileage, it just means that the girl leads it and you have to be passive. Such clubs are for chumps.

Lots of people have posted about dives all over the country where kissing is very common, and some where dancers are pretty much defying you to kiss them. Jumping onto your lap and licking your neck and nibbling at your ear lobe.

People have written extensively about Mexico, the HK bar, then more extreme BT and LC, and then the most extreme being the Playboy club where girls come up from behind and give you zero choice in the matter.

And then even in the most extreme of the SF DV joints that separate marks from their money, girls who have told me, "I don't kiss", have soon after demonstrably reversed themselves and given OTC invitations. Often kissing is going to be tied to an explicit or implicit OTC invitation.

And yes, buying dances is a chumps game. Wrong choreography to use with girl. A guy who buys dances has not thought things through, or he is just inept in dealing with women. Get your girl softened up, doe eyed, endorphins flowing, before even considering going into any booths or back rooms with her. The idea is not to save money, but to just have a better more GFE interaction with her.

Then as she has obliged you, you reciprocate by taking her home with you and by continuing seeing her.

SJG

^"The blathering idiotic narcissist probably will not even mention the specifics as to where and when these DFK experiences actually happened. It will all be a vague generality put forth about how these fictitious strippers want to be treated and blah blah blah without any details. But put forth as matter of fact statements.

Then eventually he will pivot the conversation to belittling those that get dances and how most of us normal PLs club. Again in contrast to his ideal that only exists in his head. I think he is stuck in the bygone era of SF strip clubs in the 1980s. I cut my monger teeth in SF in the late 90s and the clubs are no different than they are now and pretty similar to other major cities. There are no strippers there wanting to DFK a charmer like the blathering idiotic narcissist says they want and then will fuck you for free OTC. There's never a select PL in a club DFKing on the main floor. None of what he says actually happens in Bay Area clubs."

SirLapdancealot -> Complete Idiot

SJG

^"Then eventually he will pivot the conversation to belittling those that get dances and how most of us normal PLs club."

I don't need to belittle chumps and idiots like SirLapdancealot. They do it well enough on their own.

SJG

I’m trying to follow. The legitimate strip clubs don’t allow kissing (as I expected).

The underground clubs also don’t allow it - but the Latina GFE girls want you to kiss them - to provide a realistic GFE. So do you kiss the Latina girls in the front room of underground clubs?

I know that lots of things happen TJ at HK - but that’s not your main clubbing location. I’m still trying to find out how you get legitimate club dancers to make out with you in the front room? Getting these dancers to make out with you - without paying them - is another topic we will cover later...

SLG if you actually posted a review describing the club and a general description of these dancers the abuse might actually stop. You have demonstrated nothing other than some vague general references which can be easily fabricated. Why is that review soo hard for you? Hmmm....

"I don't need to belittle chumps and idiots like SirLapdancealot. They do it well enough on their own.

SJG"

^"Then eventually he will pivot the conversation to belittling those that get dances and how most of us normal PLs club."

"So do you kiss the Latina girls in the front room of underground clubs? "

Yes of course. Intensely, and usually starting out open tongue. Its not just that they need realistic GFE, its just the way they are.

I've kissed girls at all the bay area venues I've mentioned. Its just that at most it is not common, and even not allowed.

Not interested in not paying them, not in the strip club at least. That would be disrespectful, and if not immediately, eventually that would get them pissed.

But the money is just a gratuity, for spending time with me. Nothing more contractual or explicitly discussed than that. Don't want to talk about kissing.

How to get them into DFKing? It just depends on the club and the girl. Sometimes the girls initiate it. Usually wanting OTC, and sometimes alcohol or being pissed at the boss are factors.

But in the underground clubs, even if prohibited, many of the girls are not going to be restrained by any rules.

At the out of town and out of state places, that's just from reading. But the accounts are very common and very credible. At some places the owners just see nothing, and the girls are trying to make back room FS happen ASAP. At some places they don't even bother with back rooms. They just finish what they've started on couches in darkened corners. More plausible deniability for the owner that way. Probably little or no owners cut too.

My first experience in an INTENSE makeout session was with an extremely cute black girl at Pre-Deja Vu S.F. New Century.

I had spotted her on the sidewalk and was going to try and invite her to lunch. I thought she was an office worker. So, streets being filled with people, I tailed her from over a block behind. She ducked into New Century.

I got the door man to tell me her stage name. I had to wait over 60min for her to come out and do her stage set. She finished up open tongue kissing with another girl. Then she was on my lap.

Now usually they have open tongue girl kissing in porno movies, and I just FF past it.

But there in real life, it is a powerful turn on, women showing that they control the erotic. Girl on girl action for an audience works that way.

So I could not help but telling her how much that was turning me on. She she told me immediately, the quick response way that black girls talk, how much she was enjoying it.

That makes what ensued just about unavoidable.

The experience, her openness with a total stranger, completely changed my life.

SJG

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UptightCitizen STFU!

SirLapDance, waste posts on your idiocy all you like.

SJG

^"I think he is stuck in the bygone era of SF strip clubs in the 1980s."

^"Then eventually he will pivot the conversation to belittling those that get dances and how most of us normal PLs club."

^"Some PLs get so caught up in the SS and GFE provided that the forget that all they are doing is paying for SS and being provided a fantasy. If a PL wants some front room DFK the stripper will provide that as an investment for more - dances, VIP, OTC, etc. "

^"And then if you are a blathering idiotic narcissist, you may fall for all the SS and actually think it is "real". Then you go to message boards and preach as if it is all reality unbeknownst that it is you that is the PL chump at the end of it all."

Cashman, at least with your regular postings, you are new here.

I first learned about treating girls like civilians, from Hustler Magazine, and from AMPs.

I read an article about Prostitution, in Hustler, and they talked about Street, Escorts, and AMPs. They said that many find AMPs to be the best value.

But always they explained, "Treat her like you would any other women." So you are always complimenting her and appreciating her milometer by millimeter.

And then I took it further because of the legal dimensions. You don't want to put the girl in a position where she has to solicit verbally.

So I break out of the selections box they provide, and select my girl and talk with her a bit, as that makes her feel that I really want her, want to know about her.

Then while other guys are lying naked on their backs offering the girl money ( insulting her ), I engage with her in a civilian way, standing up, clothes on, maybe backing her up against a wall, maybe on my lap, and usually quite quickly, using wards to disarm her, and DFKing her.

Some are fully accepting of this. Others are quite disarmed by it. But if the girl goes for DFKing, then the FS which ensues will always be mind blowing for both parties.

Usually she will make sure she gets the money up front, before her clothes come off. But sometimes no. She will still get at the end, if she does not mention it.

But treating her like I just met her at a party, it makes the FS explosive. Its not just GFE, she turns it into a Girl Friend Audition. It doesn't get any better than that.

SJG

^"Some PLs get so caught up in the SS and GFE provided that the forget that all they are doing is paying for SS and being provided a fantasy. If a PL wants some front room DFK the stripper will provide that as an investment for more - dances, VIP, OTC, etc.

And then if you are a blathering idiotic narcissist, you may fall for all the SS and actually think it is "real". Then you go to message boards and preach as if it is all reality unbeknownst that it is you that is the PL chump at the end of it all."

Cool story bro

How about just one tiny review occuring in the last year. Not asking for much...JUST ONE. Hey if its an underground club and founder doesnt have it on his list post it here with specifics to enlighten the unwashed masses. Granted we do need some means to validate your story so pm one of the more experienced SF posters to tell us its a real place.

Prove everyone wrong and just do it! I for one would love to hear you are legit. Cmon man inquiring minds want to know!

^"I think he is stuck in the bygone era of SF strip clubs in the 1980s."

Uptightcitizen, you still don't get it. I don't have to prove anything to anyone. I have my own reasons for what I do and don't do. And in telling you this, I am being nice.

So go back to your circle jerk, or whatever it is you do.

SJG

^"Then eventually he will pivot the conversation to belittling those that get dances and how most of us normal PLs club."

SirLapdancealot, I don't need to make such a pivot as you yourself are the best testimony to the idiocy of those who buy dances, and especially those accustomed to LDKing.

SJG

You hurt my feelings :(

For someone with nothing to prove you are trying awful hard...

Upright, I am being extremely nice to you, someone who seems not to understand the concept of privacy in my affairs.

I can talk about all sorts of things here, because I can and do draw the line where I feel it necessary. And again, in telling you this I am being extremely nice.

SJG

"SirLapdancealot, I don't need to make such a pivot as you yourself are the best testimony to the idiocy of those who buy dances, and especially those accustomed to LDKing.

SJG"

^"Then eventually he will pivot the conversation to belittling those that get dances and how most of us normal PLs club."

Thanks for being soo nice. I was was getting worried you would take it the wrong way and attack me for asking that you prove that you have credibility. Damn its good to have internet friends

"I first learned about treating girls like civilians, from Hustler Magazine, and from AMPs."

^ SMH post of the century.

laughing my fucking ass off. san_jose_guy is such a stoopid, such a maroon, such a liar

"Usually she will make sure she gets the money up front, before her clothes come off. But sometimes no. She will still get at the end, if she does not mention it."

"Paying for ejaculation services is simply paying to exacerbate your own sexual frustration.

SJG"

It’s interesting to hear specifics. I’m a bit unsure about the clubs you frequent, as you avoid mentioning them by name. I understand you go to underground clubs. Are these clubs too secretive to mention?

@Cashman1234 the only valid club the blathering idiotic narcissist mentioned was visiting the New Century Theatre back before Deja Vu existed in SF. And I was going to Deja Vu in the mid 90s. Besides mention of the no contact Pink Poodle in SJ, the only validated club is the NCT pre-1994.

And I also went to the NCT back then. The place was basically a strip club for prostitutes. Back then a stripper there would do anything for money. It would be no issue to feed SS to an idiotic narcissist there and have him leave thinking he is the Don Juan of DFK. It was the kind of place PLs in trench coats would go and get a dancer to grind on you and sit in your lap because back then there weren't even private rooms. You paid strippers for LDs on the main floor just like a chump that pays for private LDs where there actually was a private area.

LMAO there's no such thing as a clip joint. With or without a private dance area you still payed for dances.

^ or "lap sitting"

Here's the real definition of a clip joint:

en.m.wikipedia.org

This time I really figured him out. SJG expects paid sex and so any fucking strip club that isn't actually a whorehouse is what he considers a clip joint.

He's not a PL after all. He's a brothel and AMP freak that is a PL poser on a strip club forum. He really doesn't go to strip clubs anymore because he wants a hooker to fuck him and give him a GFE for his money. Which is to say he wants to pay for his ejaculation services. Which is to say he is exacerbating his sexual frustrations. Which is to say he is a bona-fide CHUMP!

Lol

Same story with SJG. He presents his opinions as facts over and over with nothing to validate his arguments except more opinions.

At this point I'm done even bothering to try with him. Is there any person here who agrees with SJG's views? If so I'd like to try to understand why from them. Maybe this person is actually able to have a real conversation, unlike SJG. Cashman I see you trying to understand him, but in true SJG fashion he doesn't respond to clear questions. Upright Citizen I see you trying also but it's a weird process when SJG just doesn't know how to do 2 way communication.

@chessmaster it is making more and more sense now. Back in SF in the 90s, there actually were shills that would stand outside strip clubs and try to get you to go inside. If you were an idiotic chump (i.e. the mark) you would probably go in and expect the sex that the shill outside suggested that you would get. The idiotic chump would then be in a strip club but would think he would be getting dances and sex after. And to draw him in further the stripper sat on his lap in the main room for a while and gave him some GFE. Later he would buy dances and still think he would get sex too.

Then, imagine the disappointment that that idiotic chump would feel over time as he kept going to clip joint strip clubs and kept thinking the next time he would actually get sex but it was never delivered as per the shill's promises out front. Eventually that idiotic chump would come to resent the typical strip club.

Then, in order to actually get sex, in San Fran in the 90s it wouldn't be hard to pay for it at any of the AMPs. So that idiotic chump that couldn't get laid in a strip club would blame the place and call it a clip joint, and then he would go to AMPs where they would give him a full DFK GFE and role play a civie girl for him and play to his narcissistic fantasy that he is a charmer.

And it wouldn't matter where or how the idiotic chump "learned" how to interact with AMP hookers. He could have learned it all from Hustler Magazine and it still wouldn't matter because that hooker would take his payment for exacerbating his own sexual frustration and feed him his fantasy any way he wanted.

Not saying this refers to anyone in particular, but I am saying that it is possible that an idiot chump stuck in the 90s could still, to this day, resent all strip clubs that don't offer FS. All because he was an idiotic chump that fell for what a clip joint shill told him.

@TFP in all seriousness I feel sorry for san_jose_guy. He's clearly still in post traumatic stress from losing his wife and he really does believe his own delusions as a sort of defense mechanism.

Yeah I know there's some kind of mental illness at work with him. I don't think I'll find a single person that agrees with him. I'll give it a day and then give up.

@TFP what makes it really sad is that the TUSCL unmoderated board is his "therapy". He needs other PLs to feel better about himself. And he also needs AMP and Mexican bar hookers to feel better.

I have no problem with however he gets off. He wants to spend his time trying to kiss strippers in the front room, more power to him. My problem is with him attempting to police everyone else's activities in the club. He literally jumps from thread to thread screaming front room make out session like a retard.

It would be easier to leave him blocked but I always get curious to what you guys are responding to. The easy part of blocking someone like Txtittyfag is that no one responds to him so it's like he's not even there. With SJG someone always responds because he's such an idiot with what he posts that it's hard not to ridicule him.

SJG is what he is.

The official special needs mascot of TUSCL

Thanks @SirLDAlot and TFP. Your detailed posts - of the clubs in the 80’s-90’s in SF provide some very useful insights to understand the perspective of SJG. I was thinking that he was speaking from a purely hypothetical position, when he’s actually speaking from experience. It’s just that his experience is quite old.

It makes sense that he won’t review clubs, as he doesn’t have current experience to offer.

I’m sure his divorce is still a painful memory. Hopefully he will move on, and find a better channel for his emotions.

I don’t let his posts frustrate me, as I know he has many issues, and he tends to post similar comments in many discussions.

You guys are a bunch of fucking idiots. If you treat women like civilians, all manner of goodness is possible with them. It really is that simple.

I don't like what Deja Vu did to San Francisco. Mostly, things went easier before them. Now the clubs just extract money from you, lots of it, but by forcing you into an interaction with the dancers which is not conducive to GFE. You don't want to believe me, so I'm not going to worry about it. You guys are buffoons.

SJG

san_jose_guy you may want to see a therapist.

Or go to a message board for AMPs and brothels. We like to go to actual strip clubs on this site. Which includes getting dances for the price offered. It really isn't a rip off.

By the way san_jose_guy, Deja Vu has been in SF now for over 20 years. It's time to let go.

Yes, what Deja Vu makes its clubs into is the modern version of a clip joint. They do this by forcing the action into the back rooms, instead of letting you just get friendly with a girl right where you are sitting.

en.m.wikipedia.org

Used to be you could do that, as lap dancing was lap sitting.

People think booths and back rooms make it better. Not when DV is running it.

Mom and Pop strip clubs don't have that big of a whip to crack, so the dancers do it their own way, which tends to favor front room. They get more money that way, because they can be more aggressive. This is how it goes in our underground circuit.

At one time at one of the places they were doing front room FS. And this included massive amounts of DFKing, DATYing, and BBBJing. The girls did it their own way, because that is how it goes the fastest and easiest, and it is also how they line up the most OTC.

Guys post about such stuff here, and it is just like it is on stripper web. Angry mean anti-sexual people. But when it is in real life, these girls have no shortage of takers. The more guys see them doing, the more guys there are waiting for them. That's the difference between real life and a message board.

The owners of the club did not want to know what was going on. And so of course they only got a flat rate, no percentage and no toll gates.

Now Deja Vu's way is a chicken shit way, knowing how far things go in the back rooms, but forcing it into those rooms, and making it crumby though for both the girls and the customers. Very hard to get a girl GFE softened up like that. And harder for girls to line up back room action when all they can do is talk. Dancers have explained this to me in no uncertain terms. They are clipping you because what you get that way is nothing compared to how it could be if you and the girl could get face to face and GFE friendly without having to commit yet to booths or back rooms. Front room is where the rapport is built.

You dick heads try to impune me, but you are the idiots, and you are not worth talking to.

SJG

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SirLapDance, I would tell you to go soak your head, but there isn't any liquid potent enough to solve your problem.

SJG

"You dick heads try to impune me, but you are the idiots, and you are not worth talking to.

SJG"

Yet you keep posting.

I’m confused by these posts. It seems that SJG doesn’t like Deja Vu - and that’s a club in his area.

A clip joint is a club that basically forces customers to go to the back room to get close to the dancers - and these clubs are bad?

I’m not interested in having an audience - when I’m with a dancer - and I prefer the back room for privacy. I guess that makes me a chump?

The tense of SJG’s comments makes me think his interactions with dancers were all in the past. So I’m starting to understand that this is all about the good old days being great - and the current environment being about chumps paying for backroom action where we treat dancers more like sexual objects?! If that’s the case - then I’m happy to be a chump!

There was much of advantage in the good old SF days. First it was before Deja Vu tried to force all the action into the back room, to increase their cut of the money.

Second, if you go back a bit further, there were no back rooms, just lap sitting, and that could often be extremely GFE.

Agreeing to buy a dance, with a girl you have no intimate rapport with, does indeed make you a chump, because what you will get is never really that good. The girl has not emotionally opened up to you, and she won't.

So whether it is to be titties in face, LDKing, or even BJing, the girl has not opened up to you.

Whereas, a girl who you have charmed some and gotten to making out with you in the front room, will get very opened up.

The way that Jim and Artie Mitchell beat Diane Feinsteins felony case against them was with the argument that a strip club is an audience participation cabaret show. So that it is all front room is why it is not just for sexual gratification. Rather it is more like sex education.

So if you go to a loose strip club, you should be prepared to become part of the show via intimate interactions with dances.

And in any event, it is in the unstructured open ended friendliness that you and a dancer build rapport. Save the back rooms until it is time for your own pants to come down.

Mom and Pop management do not have the kind of whip to crack that DV does. DV is really a think tank. They have analyzed strip club interactions, no doubt with dancers in their working groups. So they understand how to make it move fast and to separate chumps from their money. Such it is with no front room interaction.

DV Is making rules which are not necessary to keep LE away. They are rules which help the dancers keep more full control of it, and keep DV getting a bigger cut.

And no, this is not all past tense.

Where you get a more open front room oriented action today are:

1, In our on and off again underground. The girls do it their own way, the owners don't want to know how things go. They have to let the dancers do it their way, or they won't dance there. So in such places, front room GFE is common if not standard.

1. As written widely, at dives across the country, girls who lead with an approach very conducive to GFE. Don't have such clubs around me. But they exist many places, where girls just jump on a guys lap and make it happen. And especially if you keep feeding her money, she very likely will be happy just to stay there, and often making out with you. Then, when it is time for your own pants to come down, you invite her to the back room.

2. Two recent narratives by Janos, about Toronto. He does not talk about kissing, but both situations were very conducive to it.

3. In Asian Hostess Bars in Houston, where people write about front room GFE, and then continuing in the massage rooms. Better than the standard AMP where you have to agree and pay for the session, before an intimacy ensues.

4. As discussed widely, like by Dr. F., and in videos, about Tijuana.

Its all girls who lead with a very GFE conducive front room approach, sometimes giving you very little choice in the matter. When it is time to escalate beyond to your pants coming down, then it is booths, backrooms, or hotel suites. But never being forced into that to engage physically with the girl.

SJG

It's simple, if you don't like someone, then ignore him/her. Nothing more than that! I don't have a hate for SJG that a lot of you seem to have (he seems harmless to me), but if I did I certainly wouldn't create threads about him, and argue back and forth with him.

Got it. Thanks for summarizing things for me. I’ve not seen the clubs mentioned - but I’m sure they existed at one time.

I’m good now. I understand SJG’s perspective, and I won’t bring it up again. His last post summarized things quite well.

Cashman, the clubs existed in San Francisco at one time, but though promoting front room friendliness, not necessarily allowing back room FS. SF had a tougher regulatory environment way back.

But as widely reported everywhere they exist in many other parts of the country. The front room aggression my be a black style, but numerous TUSCL sources have confirmed that at the mixed race dives all the girls do it the exact same way. And then the numerous accounts of TJ, and videos.

Front room GFE is not unlawful, at least in places like SF no one has gotten convicted over it.

In most dives the owners don't want to regulate what the girls do, they only care about plausible deniability. So in some they don't have booths or back rooms, they just have couches in darkened corners.

And people have talked about the chair forts in the early days of high mileage in Houston and Dallas, improvised walls made out of what ever. In such cases, unlikely the owner gets a cut. I am sure that the girls who do it that way can be extremely front room friendly, and just over all really good.

But the way DV does it is based on restricting front room friendliness, in order to force it into the back room where they get a cut. But also, the girl is not opening up. Makes it easier for the girl to control it, so long as the guys are going to be chumps.

So if you buy dances, sorry, you are being made into a chump. These kinds of clubs are the modern version of clip joints.

The alternative is in the numerous dives all across the country, but just not in the Bay Area. But we do have our underground circuit. Sometimes it is better than others. At its best you have lots of Latinas raking in money, but also promoting OTC. It is very flexible, most anything the girl wants to do.

It is like this in the underground clubs, because by the alcohol rules and by San Jose's Adult Entertainment Ordinances, the whole thing is illegal anyway.

Though I do not know this, it might be that in some of DV's SF clubs, it is impossible for DV to regulate it. Maybe by tipping out bouncers when the boss is not there, or maybe just because of the number of girls who don't want to comply, they may have reclaimed the front room. I do not know this though.

SJG

^^^^^ lmfao. what an idiot. he can't even tell a convincing lie

@DoctorPhil to him it is not a lie. He's drunk on GFE SS (or AMP whore shit). He's so wrapped up in the GFE fantasy provided by paying for his ejaculation service that he can't separate it from reality anymore.

As long as none of you pro kissing guys mess with my girlfriend I don’t care but I don’t want to catch herpes or who knows what the fuck else so you can kiss all the girls you like I’ll just make them cry.

@larryfisherman I am in agreement with you. I won't argue with him anymore. Wow is all that I can say.

@san_jose_guy I'm sorry for trolling you and I appreciate that you shared your perspective. I agree to disagree with you on all of it.

Cashman, what IS his point of view then? The only thing I get is that he enjoys front room make out sessions and the chance to get the girls home. What I don't get is why exactly is he worried about another customer LDKing in the club? And why does it seem that he tries to tell everyone on the site that a front room make out session is mandatory? That's what I truly don't get.

The whole point I've been trying to make is that we all have our own ways of enjoying the club. Why does he attempt to force his way of having fun on everyone else? If I don't want to kiss a stripper it's a problem for him. Lol why?

Anyway I know there's no changing anyone's mind so it is what it is.

Larryfisherman the point of the thread wasn't to try to insult SJG or show any hate. He used my first stripperweb link regarding LDKs as evidence that all dancers hate it. So I simply wanted to show him a thread showing how they feel about DFKing, which contradicted what he claimed dancers want. It was my last attempt at trying to have an adult conversation with him. And also try to understand his mindset.

Point SJG is fucking homo, and apparently he and little Larry are "close".

@TFP you don't understand because you are thinking normal. His head is literally not right. He definitely uses belittlement and self aggrandizing to make himself feel better. He is also severely narcissistic, so he doesn't like LDK because it is the most inferior form of getting off and the best is when it is DFK GFE + FS. He looks down on it basically. A narcissist only wants the best for himself. Those that want less than the best only do so because they aren't the best.

And I'm telling you he needs that DFK GFE + FS to boost his narcissistic ego too. Think about it. His wife left him. That's a huge psychological blow to a narcissist. It probably wasn't something he was expecting because no woman would ever want to leave him, but yet it did. That is crushing to his psyche. So his therapy is to get DFK GFE + FS by any means possible. It's his way if repairing his crushed ego. And there is no substitute. So now his PL game is to go to places and pay whores at an AMP or Mexican bar underground party that allow him to play any fantasy that he wants which, again is DFK GFE + FS. And again, anybody that doesn't pay for this type of ejaculation service is a chump.

So yes ultimately, whether it makes full sense to you or not, DFK GFE + LDK is the only way to "win" at PL life to him. Anything else, especially LDK, is incomprehensible.

@TFP and SirLapdance- I just accept SJG for who he is, he isn't gonna change, no point in trying to beat a dead horse. I just ignore what I don't find interesting and keep it moving.

@larryfisherman it took me this run of exchanges in this thread and a few others with san_jose_guy to understand the magnitude of his own personal issues. Now that he finally explained himself in this thread I fully understand the magnitude of how batshit crazy and mentally distraught he is. He is on a ridiculous level of delusion and denial of his own internal demons. He's gone off the deep end and only now do I realize how deep it is. The dude needs TUSCL, his TUSCL persona, and sleeping with hookers to keep himself together, and I didn't realize how bad it was until I got him all pissed off at me for trolling him hard. He is a sad, sad, sad sack of shit. And the more I tried to "expose" this, the more and more I realized he is like you said.

And honestly regardless of how batshit crazy he is and for all his personal issues, he is still a condescending narcissistic asshole with his posts. That's all my issue with him ever was. I'm not going to feel too sorry for someone like that. He does deserve all the shit he gets from everybody for being an insulting jerk like that. (But now I know why he is that way.)

But ultimately you were right all along and I appreciate you posting what you did. It put him in a better perspective with me. And FWIW for me I did find some sadistic fun in engaging him. But now I'm done. It's too easy and he's too hopeless. LOL I guess I had to experience him directly myself.

TFP, if you go for LDKing, then you are what dancers call a pervert. Also, you are feeding a type of strip club which is predatory, taking advantage of unaware custies.

And you can see, such clubs attract imbeciles like SirLapDance.

SJG

TFP and others, listen to the creep because nobody is as well versed in perversions as he is. :D

LMAO @TheeOSU you are so right. The "perversion" of LDK with a stripper is a far cry from a dancer having to tongue kiss and actually fuck a perverted PL and pretend to enjoy it for his sake.

But FWIW I'll pass. LDK is what I like in my own little "perverted" way.

We have such idiots like SirLapDance and TheeOSU. You guys, not the law, are the reason we have operators like DejaVu, whereas Tijuana has places like the HK Bar, and even places where the girls are more GFE forward.

You guys think what you want, because I don't care, and I know that not everyone is as stupid as you.

With my earliest visits to strip clubs, I learned that if you treat the girls like civilians, they open right up to you. So I have never deviated from that and never will.

SJG

Ok SJG I think I see your mindset now. And it's pretty surprising because you fall for something I thought every guy on this site is well versed in. And that is, you actually believe stripper shit! It's written all over your posts! Girls opening up to you? Them giving you a GFE? It's not because of you treating them like a civilian. It's because of money, plain and simple! I thought everyone on this site knew this. You apparently don't.

Rule number 1: (I can't believe I have to recite this) All these girls care about is money! They don't give a flying fuck about you, what you look like, what you act like, what you care about, etc. They only time they will PRETEND to care about any of the above, is if they see that their act might earn them more of your money. That is the definition of stripper shit. And you apparently have fallen hook, line, and sinker for it.

Say there is a fine looking young stud in the club with not a lot of money but he's looking to treat a dancer like a civilian. And then there's an old, fat geezer in the club at the rail tipping all the dancers. Who's gonna be getting the play? Who do you think??!! The geezer with the money!

SJG it seems you fallen for the idea that these girls actually care about you and that is why they give you a GFE. When in actuality it is just because they see that you will feed them money in the front room by just kissing you. I'm sure that the money is not worth kissing you to some dancers. But for the ones that do, you become enamored with them and think they care about you.

Sadly I think you are beyond saving. Diagnosis: totally brainwashed by stripper shit.

TFP, you are completely off base.

SJG

@TFP...

"Some PLs get so caught up in the SS and GFE provided that the forget that all they are doing is paying for SS and being provided a fantasy. If a PL wants some front room DFK the stripper will provide that as an investment for more - dances, VIP, OTC, etc.

And then if you are a blathering idiotic narcissist, you may fall for all the SS and actually think it is "real". Then you go to message boards and preach as if it is all reality unbeknownst that it is you that is the PL chump at the end of it all."

You guys have no concept of what it is like when you can relate to a girl as a civilian, and get her off script.

I guess with this being a board about strip clubs, you have to expect such morons.

SJG

@TFP also remember that it is vitally important to san_jose_guy's fragile and FUBAR psyche to keep up the delusion that a stripper, AMP whore, and/or Mexican bar whore actually want to DFK with him. It is therapy!

And SirLapdance is just an online nuisance. The reason he is online is so he can be the kind of a jack ass that would not be tolerated F2F.

SJG

^^^^^ha, I just now went back and saw that you wrote that a while ago. I didn't have time to read through the entire thread the last couple of days because work was kicking my ass.

So you basically came to the same conclusion I just did. Only you did it a while back lol. Yeah I think it's apparent now from looking at his posts. Its kind of fascinating, actually. Like having a brainwashed zombie in our midst for examination. An example of what you could potentially become if you actually believe too much stripper shit.

"You guys have no concept of what it is like when you can relate to a girl as a civilian, and get her off script.

I guess with this being a board about strip clubs, you have to expect such morons.

SJG"

^"san_jose_guy you may want to see a therapist.

Or go to a message board for AMPs and brothels. We like to go to actual strip clubs on this site. Which includes getting dances for the price offered. It really isn't a rip off."

@TFP...

"Here's the real definition of a clip joint:

en.m.wikipedia.org

This time I really figured him out. SJG expects paid sex and so any fucking strip club that isn't actually a whorehouse is what he considers a clip joint.

He's not a PL after all. He's a brothel and AMP freak that is a PL poser on a strip club forum. He really doesn't go to strip clubs anymore because he wants a hooker to fuck him and give him a GFE for his money. Which is to say he wants to pay for his ejaculation services. Which is to say he is exacerbating his sexual frustrations. Which is to say he is a bona-fide CHUMP!"

My previous post was responding to Sir, who IMO correctly diagnosed SJG with believing SS and believing the GFE experiences were real.

Our local strip clubs are zero mileage, but they are also low cost. They don't do LDKing.

You can look and usually talk. If you want more, you have to see the girl outside. So there is no clipping going on, no deception.

At our underground circuit, once it got to front room FS, and then later to mini-van out back FS. This was all fully GFE, by some just beloved Latina's. No clipping.

But the modern DejaVu type place ruins the choreography by restricting front room intimacy. So if you go along with it, you are paying lots of money to be with a girl in a booth for a short time. Usually the girls will not be getting very real with you.

Forget That!

That is for chumps and idiots like SirLapDance

SJG

"Its kind of fascinating, actually. Like having a brainwashed zombie in our midst for examination. An example of what you could potentially become if you actually believe too much stripper shit."

^@TFP it is fascinating to me. As I stated, I am in awe of the level of his delusion. But it is necessary because without it is the realization that he doesn't have much game with women. It is payment for ejaculation services that exacerbates sexual frustration on an epic level. The realization of this would blow the zombie's brain out. I actually have never come across a guy like san_jose_guy ever in my online life. As you state, it is fascinating. And sad and comical all at the same time.

So they're getting real with you in the minivan out back, but not in the booth in the club? I see.......

SJG, dude, just stop.

@TFP mark my words. He will never stop.

^ The narcissism that afflicts him will make him double down on the insults and everything else he espouses. To break the delusion is to literally break his mind.

Yeah Sir, I tried to block him. And probably should have left him blocked so I can read some actual cool threads on this site. But this guy SJG here......I mean you can't make this stuff up. And then add to it the other threads started but him and 95% of the posts there are by him. And there are over 100 posts! A lot of them long winded rants. I am really curious to see this dude and how he acts in a strip club. Like, is he for real with all this front room shit? Or is he a turbo catfish type dude who has never set foot in a club like some folks on this site suggest? And just spends A LOT of time writing up all these unibomber manifestos on here.

Shit's mind boggling!

@TFP LMAO I know! When you study the obsession that is san_jose_guy in it's entirety on TUSCL you have to realize and cannot conclude anything other than he is batshit crazy. Again on an epic and mind boggling level.

LMAO no disrespect meant, but I thought Sir txtittyfag was batshit crazy when I first joined TUSCL and that san_jose_guy was just a pompous asshole. But it turns out that Sir txtittyfag is relatively normal and that san_jose_guy is off the charts batshit crazy!

You can't make this stuff up so I gotta just study it like a train wreck or really bad reality TV. It's mind boggling at best!

@TFP “So they're getting real with you in the minivan”

there are no women getting real with san_jose_guy. the whole beloved latinas, underground mexican hat dancing and tijuana nonsensical fantasies all have to do with his ex-wife. she was a mexican who rejected him and took out a restraining order on his psycho ass IRL. now he spews his idiocy about how he is having or is going to have sex with all these imaginary mexican women in some sort of sick delusion to get revenge on his ex-wife as if she were on TUSCL reading every word

^^^^°°I don't know the history like some of you do as I am still relatively new. But he has mentioned his ex-wife, as well as started many threads against the idea of marriage and long rants about it. So it's kind of believable.

Dr. Phil how do you know the other stuff?

well he does keep a firewall between here and his F2F life that the CIA couldn't crack but... lmfao

OMFG I want to see a Dr. Phil show with san_jose_guy and his ex-wife IRL. Call it a guilty pleasure.

@TFP I gleaned his thread "Marriage as a Weapon" or something like that and I think it has some good background on his divorce. Of course the divorce is all his ex wife's fault but now that you know san_jose_guy's character and read it with that understanding it actually explains a lot about him. I think I read in it that he confessed to still suffering from the post traumatic stress of the divorce. Again, for the woman of a narcissist to leave him is a crushing defeat to his ego and psyche. It's not supposed to happen that way when you believe you are better than anyone else.

This is cut/paste from wikipedia's explanation of narcissism...

An obvious self-focus in interpersonal exchanges

Problems in sustaining satisfying relationships

A lack of psychological awareness (see insight in psychology and psychiatry, egosyntonic)

Difficulty with empathy

Problems distinguishing the self from others (see personal boundaries)

Hypersensitivity to any insults or imagined insults (see criticism and narcissists, narcissistic rage and narcissistic injury)

Vulnerability to shame rather than guilt

Haughty body language

Flattery towards people who admire and affirm them (narcissistic supply)

Detesting those who do not admire them (narcissistic abuse)

Using other people without considering the cost of doing so

Pretending to be more important than they actually are

Bragging (subtly but persistently) and exaggerating their achievements

Claiming to be an "expert" at many things

Inability to view the world from the perspective of other people

Denial of remorse and gratitude

...a lot of these boxes 'check'...just sayin'...

post traits of autism and old lloyd schoene is a narcissistic autistic for sure

@ime that is a deadly combination. And clear as day in his posts.

Are SirLapdance and TFP, along with some of those I keep on ignore, going to write a book about me?

SJG

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Yes it's titled fags of san jose who hate their mom's.

I have finally pressed ignore on SJG - waited too long. After first reading his mantra about front room make out sessions, I kept my eyes peeled for 10+ club runs to see if anyone was achieving the front room stuff he promotes - I'd never observed it before and figured geez I just must not be paying attention. What he says simply does not exist in SF Bay Area - not in the front room, not on the floor, not in VIP chairs. It does sometimes occur in private rooms and is fun as hell when it does, but it's either super rare or simply does not exist in the SF Bay Area where he says it does.
With the ignore button now safely on, I'll never have to waste time reading the nonsense again.

@MisterT he barely gets DFK from AMP whores. He has half a dozen threads from 2015 and in all of them he obsesses about kissing them and none of them want to meet with him after three visits or less.

And with strippers he has zero experience IRL, notwithstanding a couple on the 90s but even that is questionable.

He's a blathering idiotic narcissist that doesn't interact with strippers.

Just for the benefit of others who might at some point read this, SLD and these others know absolutely nothing about me. My posts are carefully written to maintain a privacy wall. These imbeciles try to draw inferences to get beyond the four corners of my posts, they are just morons who have nothing better to do. What they are saying has no relation to reality. The only reason these guys are online is because neither I nor anyone else would let them go on like this f2f without these idiots suffering severe consequences.

SJG

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MisterT yeah that stuff he describes is most certainly not happening in any front rooms in the Bay Area. I'm here also and you can barely grab ass and bare boobs, let alone kissing. As SLD has said (and shown via links of SJG's older threads of his own outings) he's not getting any of that stuff that he talks about.

If you're gonna get any advice on kissing strippers I'd actually take BurlingtonHoFactory's advice over his. He seems to fancy kissing strippers as well. But he also probably lives in an area where it's much easier to accomplish that than here. Even still, I bet his kissing is done in the VIP or private booth, and not out on the floor.

MisterT out of curiosity what are your favorite clubs to hit up out here?

@SJG posted -> "Just for the benefit of others who might at some point read this, SLD and these others know absolutely nothing about me. My posts are carefully written to maintain a privacy wall. These imbeciles try to draw inferences to get beyond the four corners of my posts, they are just morons who have nothing better to do. What they are saying has no relation to reality."

Just for the benefit of those reading, SJG is forgetting his own threads about trying to make AMP whores his GFs and kiss them that he created back in 2015:

tuscl.net

tuscl.net

tuscl.net

tuscl.net

tuscl.net

These are all his own threads and they support everything that I said. Don't believe me or him. Read for yourselves. Enjoy!

Once in a while DFKing happens, even in our South Bay no touching clubs. Usually because the girl is trying to cement same night OTC. Sometimes also its because she is mad at the bosses, and also she may be intoxicated. They give fiery DFKing.

In our underground on and off again Mexican Bar table dancing circuit, such kissing is still prohibited, but it does happen quite often, as most all the girls are doing in their communications is trying to line up OTC. I will usually though start them off with open tongue kissing. It's like they do in porno movies to not get the girl's face messed up, at least initially. It's also what girls do when they want to put on a show. This tends to result in more DFKing, prohibited or not.

San Francisco is a Deja Vu Disaster Site. But even Deja Vu is not necessarily able to fully control what goes on in everyone of their clubs. The most promising will always be the 4x no alcohol full nudity clubs which are unbranded.

Recent allegations of credit card fraud, messing around with the papers to bilk money out of people, and at exactly those same 4 clubs. If DV cannot control that, then unlikely they can really regulate the girls, and especially in a Black club.

Great DFKing times in SF, but pre Deja Vu. Though even with DV, girls would say, no front room pawing and, "I don't kiss", and soon after be demonstrably reversing themselves, as well as telling me their phone numbers.

I never treat women as prostitutes, so things can go differently for me.

Lots of people have posted about Front Room DFKing in the front room in US dives, and even about it being standard in some. And then as written about Mexico, in some of the places the girls really give you no choice. In the Playboy Bar they approach from behind and take your face between their two hands, and then she will shove her tongue in and hold i,t by written accounts, for 30 seconds. Then she will say, "Ficha or Arriba".

For myself, I like to select and approach the girl. But the more aggressive they are being, then usually the more digressive you can be with them. If a girl approaches me in an aggressive way, I'm going to be inclined to give her what she wants, just for the esprit de corps. I want the others to see that sluttyness works.

As far as Ficha or Arriba, I would try to steer the girl to FIcha without alcohol, or me just handing her money. Continuing a front room makeout session, so that we can get to know each other before Arriba and likely Toda La Noche.

SJG

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How many times have you DFKed a stripper in the front room?

In AAMP's, DFKing is standard, at least it was when RedBook was running. It was considered part of the minimum requirement for a quality offering.

RB-GFE = DFK + DATY + BBBJ + MSOG(covered).

And then someone was coaching the girls, that the best is to get the guy in, get the door closed, and then give the guy a full strength toe curling DFK, and to do this before ever asking for the money.

For the girls who go that way, as I have experienced, they just spend their entire day cruising on endorphins. Most guys are very capable with them FS wise, zero unnecessary roughness. So the girls will not be sore, but consider how many times they go over the top with DATY + MSOG, and with capable guys who know how to use vacuum and g-spot massaging to get a girl cumming continuously. So though not sore and cruising on endorphins, these girls do get extremely tired out just from their own muscle contractions. So they get to look a bit like over cooked noodles.

But in AMPs, DFKing is not standard at all. Actually it is quite rare.

But AMPs have the advantage of girls who actually live here, and who speak English, and you get to window shop and use that for a kind of front room flirting. I like AMPs better. But as DFKing is not standard, I don't always get it. But more often than not, I do. And as that means the girl is opening up, what ensues then is mind blowing.

SLD and others who insist on trying to get beyond the 4 corners of my posts, or think they can interrogate me, these guys are idiots. The only reason they are online, is that if they tried to badger and be belligerent F2F, then they would suffer severe consequences.

SJG

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^ LMAO everything I said is from a SJG post. LOL those links I posted are his own epic failures with AMP whores. Not one goes beyond a third visit. ROFLMAO not even an AMP whore wants his business!!!

LOL SJG they are your own threads!

Kissing Strippers is Awesome!

SJG

@L1oydSchoene I got no issue with you. My apologies if my post to SJG offended you.

SJG said "In AAMP's, DFKing is standard ... then they would suffer severe consequences."

ummm... let's try this again...

How many times have you DFKed a stripper in the front room?

Many strippers, especially those likely to be induced into front room DFKing, they are fiery. When they do it, they are using their DFKing to produce a result, and they have learned how to do it.

You might call it, Sport Kissing. Off the hook sexual radicals. Girls that have transformed from Chimpanzee to Bonobo. These girls are beloved.

SJG

good lord man you are so full of shit no stripper has ever made out with you ever, your delusions are ridicilous

^ "October 19, 2017 - The blathering idiotic narcissist probably will not even mention the specifics as to where and when these DFK experiences actually happened. It will all be a vague generality put forth about how these fictitious strippers want to be treated and blah blah blah without any details. But put forth as matter of fact statements."

I can't remember any time seeing a stripper make out with a customer on the floor, I have only seen a dancer and an off shit dancer make out. Now with his delusion and narcissistic psychopathy he thinks that hot strippers in their twenties want to make out with creepy looking doofuses in their 50's who couldn't even fuck his own wife, so that is all you need to know about old Lloyd "Nutter than Squirrel Turds" Schoene.

SJG said "Many strippers, especially those likely to be induced into front room DFKing, they are fiery. When they do it, they are using their DFKing to produce a result, and they have learned how to do it."

Which brings us back to ...

How many times have you DFKed a stripper in the front room?

Ishmael and SirLapDance,

As I have repeatedly said, my personal life is private and protected by a privacy wall. I do not have to prove anything to you, and I am not subject to interrogation.

If I had wanted to disclose more I would have. I can post about many experiences on this site, because I can and do deploy a privacy wall where needed.

At this point I must again remind you that if f2f either of you were being belligerent and disrespectful of my privacy as you are being online, there would be severe and irreparable consequences for you.

SJG

Right... you're full of shit.

^ "October 19, 2017 - The blathering idiotic narcissist probably will not even mention the specifics as to where and when these DFK experiences actually happened. It will all be a vague generality put forth about how these fictitious strippers want to be treated and blah blah blah without any details. But put forth as matter of fact statements.

Then eventually he will pivot the conversation to belittling those that get dances and how most of us normal PLs club. Again in contrast to his ideal that only exists in his head. I think he is stuck in the bygone era of SF strip clubs in the 1980s. I cut my monger teeth in SF in the late 90s and the clubs are no different than they are now and pretty similar to other major cities. There are no strippers there wanting to DFK a charmer like the blathering idiotic narcissist says they want and then will fuck you for free OTC. There's never a select PL in a club DFKing on the main floor. None of what he says actually happens in Bay Area clubs.

But again, all of what I say will be vehemently denied, refuted, and insulted by the blathering idiotic narcissist with vague and non-specific claims put forth as absolute truth."

Call.Me.Ishmael and SirLapdancealot, I have posted numerous detailed responses to you each. But because you continue to use this forum to engage in pointless disrespect and belligerence of a type which no one would allow to go on f2f, you have left me with no other choice. You each are no on my ignore list.

DrPhil, DrPhil., IME, Meat72, san_jose_gay, tixtittyfag JimGassagain Call.Me.Ishmael SirLapdancealot

SJG

OOOoooOOOooohhh....

^ "October 19, 2017 - Some PLs get so caught up in the SS and GFE provided that the forget that all they are doing is paying for SS and being provided a fantasy. If a PL wants some front room DFK the stripper will provide that as an investment for more - dances, VIP, OTC, etc.

And then if you are a blathering idiotic narcissist, you may fall for all the SS and actually think it is "real". Then you go to message boards and preach as if it is all reality unbeknownst that it is you that is the PL chump at the end of it all."

Dang, SJG told you, eh !!! LOL

LOL poor SJG has ED. He can't get it up with women anymore so DFK (+ maybe DATY/FIV if he is lucky) is the only thing he can do. Hence, his obsession with it.

If you read those old threads of his I posted, he doesn't even get to FS with any of the AMP whores he pays. But he has toe curling DFKs with them!!!

He ain't nothing but a limp dick poser that hasn't been in a strip club this century.