Besides ordinances, what are other reasons that clubs would not have fully nude

Of course the underlying issue is always the penal code against prostitution. But this is notoriously difficult to enforce.

So we have these local ordinances, written to be enforceable. And these hurt more than anything else.

Here in California the alcohol licensing rules prevent total nudity.

And then some places have zoning rules, like proximity to schools or residential areas. These make it very hard.

The founder of the Sunnyvale's Cheetahs ( then Kit Kat Club ) had to file a lawsuit to get his business license. He argued that the other clubs draw drinkers, where as his draws "naked woman watchers". Obviously his way is better!

I would not ever want to endorse any kind of drive to place which serves alcohol. I consider these to be something of the past.

SJG

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SJG

What cities or states legally allow full nudity and alcohol but have several clubs that are just topless? I'm not aware of that being the case anywhere. Most places that allow alcohol and full nudity, like Atlanta, have all or mostly all nude clubs.

As I know, in Portland they are all full nudity w/ alcohol. Tends to make for more clubs.

Locally there are lots of place ordinances. One operator wanted full nudity, but too close to other things. So he went with alcohol and bikini.

SJG

There aren't many topless clubs in areas where fully nude clubs can serve alcohol, but they are out there. Hudson, FL is one example.

^^^^ And there are likely reasons for this, like local proximity rules.

Also notice that some strip clubs now are being made in adult book store buildings.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Cookie…

SJG

They scared of shitting the stage

There's always other forces. Looking at Pasco County and State of Florida, these don't look like the bastions of first amendment free speech. So not all things are equal here. I think other forces exist which prevents nude vs topless stage dancing, so not all things are equal.

Technically, isn't the nudity-possiblity in Pasco county a TECHNICALITY and not a true free speech right. Isn't it because a law accounts for nude beaches or nudity when costumes are allowed (stage)? And given that the government is trying (correct or not correct?) shut down the clubs on U.S. 19? Move the clubs to Industrial zones, at least 2500 feet from homes/churches/schools, saying 48% of the county is still feasible. Not saying how much of that is swamp or undesirable parcels.

Plus look at the anti-trafficing ordinances and pushes in Pasco county. Not exactly the bastion of free speech. It's designed to limit customer demand from guilt of patronizing these places.

I feel bad for Pasco County clubs. Doing business there must be tough with that government regulation.

Reference:
https://library.municode.com/fl/pasco_co… (Pasco County Ordinances)
http://www.pascocountyfl.net/index.aspx?… ( Pasco County ordinances )
https://patch.com/florida/newportrichey/…
http://www.sptimes.com/News/022301/Pasco…
http://www.sptimes.com/2002/10/12/Pasco/…

Court precedents of decades past have established nude dancing as a free speech right. Gaining these victories was costly and complex.

But, states and localities still claim a right to impose time and place restrictions. So they tie these to the alcohol license, and to proximity to schools and residences. And then they have invented this entire "Adult Entertainment" category. Once you apply for such a license, you do not have permission to do anything you could not have done before. But you become subject to a whole new list of restrictions. And what makes this especially unconstitutional is the fact that these restrictions do not apply anywhere else, only in a licensed Adult Entertainment venue.

So what would be legal out front on the sidewalk, is no longer legal inside.

Most operators do not want to fight this stuff. Jim and Artie Mitchell types are rare. Most just want to make money and are not concerned about abstract principles.

SJG

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