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Amateur vs Professional PL

shailynn
They never tell you what you need to know.
It seems like recently there are mostly two types of PLs on this board, the professionals which have been at it for years and can offer great advice, and the beginners who are just getting their feet wet. No disrespect to the beginners, we all started there too.

There's also a few who should be professionals but for some reason just don't get it, so they are stuck in the middle somewhere which seems to be a desolate wasteland. Those guys who have been clubbing for 5+ years steadily but have yet to do OTC, or have sex inside the club, etc. etc.

What experience has made you feel like you've "arrived" and become a professional?



43 comments

  • twentyfive
    7 years ago
    I have always striven for amateurism !
  • shadowcat
    7 years ago
    I think being married for 27 years taught me to never let the bitches take advantage of me again.
  • Call.Me.Ishmael
    7 years ago
    ITC stuff has never been that hard to accomplish in RI, so it's not really a good milestone. My first good OTC experience was probably the first time I felt pro-level confidence.

    Earlier this year, I had a dancer tell me "You know, there's pluses and minuses when it comes to guys like you who know what they're doing." Possibly SS, but I don't think so.
  • jackslash
    7 years ago
    I think I became a professional PL on the day I walked into the Flight Club and the waitress said to me, "I'm sorry. Somebody is sitting at YOUR table."

    Now when I walk into the club, everybody just says, "JACK."
  • Jascoi
    7 years ago
    i am an amateur.
  • shailynn
    7 years ago
    Flying a stripper in to party with you at all the pool parties in Vegas during Labor Day, and handing her a bikini that could fit in a zip lock bag. Yeah I knew I just jumped into a professional.

    I'd give up one of my nuts to relive that weekend.
  • LecherousMonk
    7 years ago
    I have 5+ years under my belt, but I've never had sufficient monies to make OtC happen. Also, ItC is not available in my town.
  • Tiredtraveler
    7 years ago
    RI is now not as easy nor a satisfying as it once was.
    I still am learning and I have been clubbing off and on for decades. Despite my supposed varied experience from air dances to ... in various types of clubs in most of the lower 48 I am sometimes not much better than some PL beginners, There are times when I catch myself thinking what if? LOL then I move on. But I do avoid basic beginner mistakes like: real names, using credit cards and avoid most ROB's etc. so maybe I could be a semi pro.
  • Call.Me.Ishmael
    7 years ago
    "RI is now not as easy nor a satisfying as it once was."

    Agreed. But there's still a lot worse out there, so I try not to complain.
  • FTS
    7 years ago
    I'll worry about turning pro once I have a net worth that is 7 figures.
  • Cashman1234
    7 years ago
    I walked into an all nude club at happy hour - dancer was nude on stage and spread - she sees me and stands up - stops her set - yells "Get over here!" - I nearly shit myself - but still walk up to her - she hugs and kisses me (whispers "I've missed you." in my ear) - a smattering of applause runs through the club as I slink away to find a seat... I knew that I was no longer an ordinary pervert!
  • Dominic77
    7 years ago
    All things in due time. I have more important priorities that need my attention. Maybe when this amateur's net worth is more than 3 or 4 figures and my home and wife are taken care of then we'll talk. The women aren't going anywhere. ;)
  • san_jose_guy
    7 years ago
    Shadowcat wrote. "I think being married for 27 years taught me to never let the bitches take advantage of me again."

    Those are my sentiments exactly. And so I look for ways that men and women might relate differently. Originally strip clubs for me were just a curiosity. Now, what has been learned in them is my source for building an entirely different kind of life.

    Bonobo Handshake
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CGMJiGe…

    SJG
  • Stognasty
    7 years ago
    @Dominic. The best thing about [strippers] is I keep getting older, but they stay he same age.
  • Lurker_X
    7 years ago
    Certainly an amateur, however I have been following various PL forums since 1996 and began my mongering well informed. Other than a few years dallying at hostess clubs, I mainly stayed out of the SC scene because I knew it would be expensive to do in earnest and that would frustrate me.

    Well recently, I paid off the mortgage on one of my rentals. That freed up several hundred dollars a month of cash flow. I decided it was time to stop saving, and live a little. I don't care if there is a better use for my money. I wanna grab some inappropriately young T&A every week!
  • MrDeuce
    7 years ago
    Despite hundreds of SC visits, I was an amateur for almost 20 years, satisfied with just lap dances (which often ended, to be sure, with a lapgasm). My confidence starting increasing from the time of my first ITC BJ in July 2013 and then even more with my first OTC date in December 2015. Now I've had about 16 OTC dates (including one yesterday from about 12:45 to 7:15, featuring two BBBJs with an excellent steakhouse lunch between them) and about 150 BJs from strippers. If you do something enough and examine what could have gone better, you improve at it.
  • JuiceBox69
    7 years ago
    Shaylnne if you pulled that off then you are a Pro fow show :)

    I started young in the game so for my first twelve years was in the waist land for sure..18-30...was also married during this time

    Then I found tuscl and had my divorce..not connected but sounds funny....from 30-36 I've just now left the waist land and have started making a strong case for my Pro Card.

    Application goes as follows

    1. One stripper I dated and lived with for three and half years.

    2. ITC at in five clubs with about 50 different dancers

    3. OTC at 3 different clubs with about 10 different girls.

    4. I've LDK aka LapGasm so many times I can't honesty count it lol

    Above statistics are from the time I found tuscl from age 30-36

  • JuiceBox69
    7 years ago
    From 18-30 the waste land was so bad I didn't even LDK in that time frame LMFAO...damn blue Jeans and no touch clubs
  • whodey
    7 years ago
    I think I would have began considering myself a pro when I bought a cheap prepaid phone to keep in contact with various strippers without giving out my real name/phone#.
  • shailynn
    7 years ago
    I'd love to hear a Sinclair story.

    I thought jackslash was gonna say "when I became a mobile ATM, I knew I had arrived." !!!!!!!!!!!!!
  • s275ironman
    7 years ago
    While I was a casual strip club monger for about 6.5 years, I spent the last 9 months transitioning towards being a professional PL. I achieved pro status a couple months ago when I finally indulged in ITC extras.

    I've read about the process of negotiating extras as far back as 2013, shortly after I moved to the Detroit area. That helped make my transition into the extras scene go smoothly.
  • Dougster
    7 years ago
    It never really struck me as something there was any skill to. Well I shouldn't say absolutely none, I guess it's about as difficult as mastering tic-tac-toe. So I'm not sure about this distinction between pros and amateurs. Can people really become professional tic-tac-toe players? Seems everyone reaches the same level maximal level very quickly and then there is no distinction one versus the other. If you think differently I contend it's because you have a super inflated ego.
  • lopaw
    7 years ago
    I hit professional status about 5 years ago.
    I regret that I can no longer compete in the PL Olympics.
  • Doces300
    7 years ago
    OTC is not a good measure for being a pro PL. I had an OTC experience on about my 3rd SC visit. It was her idea ( would not have thought to ask at this time) I gave her money up front (just to prove what an amateur I was) paid too much but funny enough it all worked out and I was hooked. I have learned a great deal since them. Not a pro yet, just a horny PL
  • shailynn
    7 years ago
    Doug,

    I was a pretty solid tic tac toe player but I could never beat this guy:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLdGsUG5…
  • rh48hr
    7 years ago
    I have amateur money so I can't go to club or do otc on a weekly basis so I don't know if I can consider myself a pro. But I've certainly had pro experiences with my atf and a couple other faves.
  • shailynn
    7 years ago
    ^ Nah, you're a pro! I wasn't talking about money at all, just experiences or how you can talk a girl into breaking the rules in a club that the rules aren't to be broken.
  • crazyjoe
    7 years ago
    I fart sometimes
  • rh48hr
    7 years ago
    Understood! Where do I pick up my union card! Lol
  • sharkhunter
    7 years ago
    a professional? Nah, I'm an amateur. I haven't had any dancer pay me any money. Except maybe once or twice from a loan. I stopped doing that a long long time ago in a galaxy far far away. Another universe in fact.
    It would be nice if dancers paid me. One did buy me a drink the last time she saw me. I've gotten free dances from dancers including a free double dance but I've never been paid to allow dancers to dance for me. I'm an amateur. There might have been a couple of dancers who I might have been able to talk them into paying me for a back massage. I've had 2 different dancers say I have skills and one asked if I was a professional masseuse. I rarely tell dancers that I may have skills. They like it too much. Hmmm, that might be a way to get some free action away from the club.
  • DisRuptive1
    7 years ago
    How does doing OTC or getting extras make you a pro?

    I've lost more money to ROBs, air dances, and straight up escort robberies than some guys have spent on dances in the strip club. I consider myself a pro.
  • shailynn
    7 years ago
    ^^^ completely acceptable - as long as you've learned from your mistakes and do your best not to repeat them - that's pro status.
  • PrimetimeSchein
    7 years ago
    I was a beginner at first but with the knowledge from current pros, I've enjoyed a Dak Prescott type year! Negotiation skills, ITC, finding the ROBS, getting in good with the bouncers, only thing left is inside the club. But I'm working on a 3some with my ATF and that will make me an All Pro
  • Dominic77
    7 years ago
    Okay, what Dougster said makes sense. Rather than Professional I'll call it Hobbyist. Probably turned hobbyist halfway through the second trip.

    When I returned to clubbing back in '15, I let the Ohio anti-strip club laws passed 10 years ago trip me up by reading to much into the no-nudity no-contact laws and ordinances. After a rocky trip and a half I was pretty much back into it. Even started getting solicited by dancers for OTC.
  • Call.Me.Ishmael
    7 years ago
    In most areas of expertise, hobbyist = amateur. I don't think that anyone here is using the term "pro" too seriously. It's not like a certificate program.

    But, keep in mind that 90% of the guys who go to a strip club just get a few dances, pay too much for booze, and then go home. They have no idea that ITC or OTC is available, and if they create a cum puddle in their pants it's a source of embarrassment rather than accomplishment.

    So, yeah, there is a pretty wide experience gap between those guys and a lot of the guys who post/review here.
  • Dominic77
    7 years ago
    For the guys that struggle, maybe it is because the SC is a pseudo-social environment and they are tripped up by the social aspect of it. Maybe they haven't developed non-creepy social skills, never learned to deal with rejection without it getting personal, no confidence to get what you want, no tact, entitlement, some learning disability. Most things between 2 people are give and take.
  • Dominic77
    7 years ago
    As for me not having sex with Strippers or other civvies I really don't care, so I don't mind restricting my activities to tits and a few drinks. Maybe Shailynn is confused by that since most guys here are looking to score.
  • Lurker_X
    7 years ago
    I asked a dancer recently why she thought most men came to the club... I figured she would say they were lonely, or their wives were not appealing anymore, or they were sex addicts... No, she said most come to drink beer, watch sports, meet friends. I guess there are a lot of cheap bastards who never buy dances at that club... So ladies are quick to introduce themselves to guys they spot making purchases.
  • Call.Me.Ishmael
    7 years ago
    A buddy of mine who has a circle of friends in their late 20s / early 30s told me that it has become popular for groups of couples to go drinking at strip clubs. Usually at the end of a night doing other activities.

    I haven't seen this, but according to him they sit, chat, drink, and maybe tip at the stage. No lapdances or VIPs, for obvious reasons. I can't imagine the dancers are thrilled, but the clubs are happy to sell booze.

    Yeah, not everyone goes to strip clubs looking for dances, let alone ITC or OTC.
  • Dominic77
    7 years ago
    a the Cleveland suburb Crazy Horse I go to, the dancers say the typical customer is a blue collar processional or a white collar healthcare pro or I.T. Pro. He typically spends $60-$100 and buys 1-3 dances. Nothing fancy.
  • pensionking
    7 years ago
    I no longer compete in the minor leagues, but I would not say I am qualified for the Hall of Fame, yet. Need more numbers over a longer period of time to get there. Still swinging the bat with power to all fields, though!
  • san_jose_guy
    7 years ago
    Juice the epitome of a professional PL. As always, the only competition is for second place.

    SJG
  • Mainster
    7 years ago
    I guess my milestone was the second time I got ITC head; I took it to mean that the first time wasn't a fluke.
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