Amateur vs Professional PL

I have always striven for amateurism !

I think being married for 27 years taught me to never let the bitches take advantage of me again.

ITC stuff has never been that hard to accomplish in RI, so it's not really a good milestone. My first good OTC experience was probably the first time I felt pro-level confidence.

Earlier this year, I had a dancer tell me "You know, there's pluses and minuses when it comes to guys like you who know what they're doing." Possibly SS, but I don't think so.

I think I became a professional PL on the day I walked into the Flight Club and the waitress said to me, "I'm sorry. Somebody is sitting at YOUR table."

Now when I walk into the club, everybody just says, "JACK."

i am an amateur.

Flying a stripper in to party with you at all the pool parties in Vegas during Labor Day, and handing her a bikini that could fit in a zip lock bag. Yeah I knew I just jumped into a professional.

I'd give up one of my nuts to relive that weekend.

I have 5+ years under my belt, but I've never had sufficient monies to make OtC happen. Also, ItC is not available in my town.

RI is now not as easy nor a satisfying as it once was. I still am learning and I have been clubbing off and on for decades. Despite my supposed varied experience from air dances to ... in various types of clubs in most of the lower 48 I am sometimes not much better than some PL beginners, There are times when I catch myself thinking what if? LOL then I move on. But I do avoid basic beginner mistakes like: real names, using credit cards and avoid most ROB's etc. so maybe I could be a semi pro.

"RI is now not as easy nor a satisfying as it once was."

Agreed. But there's still a lot worse out there, so I try not to complain.

I'll worry about turning pro once I have a net worth that is 7 figures.

I walked into an all nude club at happy hour - dancer was nude on stage and spread - she sees me and stands up - stops her set - yells "Get over here!" - I nearly shit myself - but still walk up to her - she hugs and kisses me (whispers "I've missed you." in my ear) - a smattering of applause runs through the club as I slink away to find a seat... I knew that I was no longer an ordinary pervert!

All things in due time. I have more important priorities that need my attention. Maybe when this amateur's net worth is more than 3 or 4 figures and my home and wife are taken care of then we'll talk. The women aren't going anywhere. ;)

Shadowcat wrote. "I think being married for 27 years taught me to never let the bitches take advantage of me again."

Those are my sentiments exactly. And so I look for ways that men and women might relate differently. Originally strip clubs for me were just a curiosity. Now, what has been learned in them is my source for building an entirely different kind of life.

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SJG

@Dominic. The best thing about [strippers] is I keep getting older, but they stay he same age.

Certainly an amateur, however I have been following various PL forums since 1996 and began my mongering well informed. Other than a few years dallying at hostess clubs, I mainly stayed out of the SC scene because I knew it would be expensive to do in earnest and that would frustrate me.

Well recently, I paid off the mortgage on one of my rentals. That freed up several hundred dollars a month of cash flow. I decided it was time to stop saving, and live a little. I don't care if there is a better use for my money. I wanna grab some inappropriately young T&A every week!

Despite hundreds of SC visits, I was an amateur for almost 20 years, satisfied with just lap dances (which often ended, to be sure, with a lapgasm). My confidence starting increasing from the time of my first ITC BJ in July 2013 and then even more with my first OTC date in December 2015. Now I've had about 16 OTC dates (including one yesterday from about 12:45 to 7:15, featuring two BBBJs with an excellent steakhouse lunch between them) and about 150 BJs from strippers. If you do something enough and examine what could have gone better, you improve at it.

Shaylnne if you pulled that off then you are a Pro fow show :)

I started young in the game so for my first twelve years was in the waist land for sure..18-30...was also married during this time

Then I found tuscl and had my divorce..not connected but sounds funny....from 30-36 I've just now left the waist land and have started making a strong case for my Pro Card.

Application goes as follows

1. One stripper I dated and lived with for three and half years.

2. ITC at in five clubs with about 50 different dancers

3. OTC at 3 different clubs with about 10 different girls.

4. I've LDK aka LapGasm so many times I can't honesty count it lol

Above statistics are from the time I found tuscl from age 30-36

From 18-30 the waste land was so bad I didn't even LDK in that time frame LMFAO...damn blue Jeans and no touch clubs

I think I would have began considering myself a pro when I bought a cheap prepaid phone to keep in contact with various strippers without giving out my real name/phone#.

I'd love to hear a Sinclair story.

I thought jackslash was gonna say "when I became a mobile ATM, I knew I had arrived." !!!!!!!!!!!!!

While I was a casual strip club monger for about 6.5 years, I spent the last 9 months transitioning towards being a professional PL. I achieved pro status a couple months ago when I finally indulged in ITC extras.

I've read about the process of negotiating extras as far back as 2013, shortly after I moved to the Detroit area. That helped make my transition into the extras scene go smoothly.

It never really struck me as something there was any skill to. Well I shouldn't say absolutely none, I guess it's about as difficult as mastering tic-tac-toe. So I'm not sure about this distinction between pros and amateurs. Can people really become professional tic-tac-toe players? Seems everyone reaches the same level maximal level very quickly and then there is no distinction one versus the other. If you think differently I contend it's because you have a super inflated ego.

I hit professional status about 5 years ago. I regret that I can no longer compete in the PL Olympics.

OTC is not a good measure for being a pro PL. I had an OTC experience on about my 3rd SC visit. It was her idea ( would not have thought to ask at this time) I gave her money up front (just to prove what an amateur I was) paid too much but funny enough it all worked out and I was hooked. I have learned a great deal since them. Not a pro yet, just a horny PL

Doug,

I was a pretty solid tic tac toe player but I could never beat this guy: youtube.com

I have amateur money so I can't go to club or do otc on a weekly basis so I don't know if I can consider myself a pro. But I've certainly had pro experiences with my atf and a couple other faves.

^ Nah, you're a pro! I wasn't talking about money at all, just experiences or how you can talk a girl into breaking the rules in a club that the rules aren't to be broken.

I fart sometimes

Understood! Where do I pick up my union card! Lol

a professional? Nah, I'm an amateur. I haven't had any dancer pay me any money. Except maybe once or twice from a loan. I stopped doing that a long long time ago in a galaxy far far away. Another universe in fact. It would be nice if dancers paid me. One did buy me a drink the last time she saw me. I've gotten free dances from dancers including a free double dance but I've never been paid to allow dancers to dance for me. I'm an amateur. There might have been a couple of dancers who I might have been able to talk them into paying me for a back massage. I've had 2 different dancers say I have skills and one asked if I was a professional masseuse. I rarely tell dancers that I may have skills. They like it too much. Hmmm, that might be a way to get some free action away from the club.

How does doing OTC or getting extras make you a pro?

I've lost more money to ROBs, air dances, and straight up escort robberies than some guys have spent on dances in the strip club. I consider myself a pro.

^^^ completely acceptable - as long as you've learned from your mistakes and do your best not to repeat them - that's pro status.

I was a beginner at first but with the knowledge from current pros, I've enjoyed a Dak Prescott type year! Negotiation skills, ITC, finding the ROBS, getting in good with the bouncers, only thing left is inside the club. But I'm working on a 3some with my ATF and that will make me an All Pro

Okay, what Dougster said makes sense. Rather than Professional I'll call it Hobbyist. Probably turned hobbyist halfway through the second trip.

When I returned to clubbing back in '15, I let the Ohio anti-strip club laws passed 10 years ago trip me up by reading to much into the no-nudity no-contact laws and ordinances. After a rocky trip and a half I was pretty much back into it. Even started getting solicited by dancers for OTC.

In most areas of expertise, hobbyist = amateur. I don't think that anyone here is using the term "pro" too seriously. It's not like a certificate program.

But, keep in mind that 90% of the guys who go to a strip club just get a few dances, pay too much for booze, and then go home. They have no idea that ITC or OTC is available, and if they create a cum puddle in their pants it's a source of embarrassment rather than accomplishment.

So, yeah, there is a pretty wide experience gap between those guys and a lot of the guys who post/review here.

For the guys that struggle, maybe it is because the SC is a pseudo-social environment and they are tripped up by the social aspect of it. Maybe they haven't developed non-creepy social skills, never learned to deal with rejection without it getting personal, no confidence to get what you want, no tact, entitlement, some learning disability. Most things between 2 people are give and take.

As for me not having sex with Strippers or other civvies I really don't care, so I don't mind restricting my activities to tits and a few drinks. Maybe Shailynn is confused by that since most guys here are looking to score.

I asked a dancer recently why she thought most men came to the club... I figured she would say they were lonely, or their wives were not appealing anymore, or they were sex addicts... No, she said most come to drink beer, watch sports, meet friends. I guess there are a lot of cheap bastards who never buy dances at that club... So ladies are quick to introduce themselves to guys they spot making purchases.

A buddy of mine who has a circle of friends in their late 20s / early 30s told me that it has become popular for groups of couples to go drinking at strip clubs. Usually at the end of a night doing other activities.

I haven't seen this, but according to him they sit, chat, drink, and maybe tip at the stage. No lapdances or VIPs, for obvious reasons. I can't imagine the dancers are thrilled, but the clubs are happy to sell booze.

Yeah, not everyone goes to strip clubs looking for dances, let alone ITC or OTC.

a the Cleveland suburb Crazy Horse I go to, the dancers say the typical customer is a blue collar processional or a white collar healthcare pro or I.T. Pro. He typically spends $60-$100 and buys 1-3 dances. Nothing fancy.

I no longer compete in the minor leagues, but I would not say I am qualified for the Hall of Fame, yet. Need more numbers over a longer period of time to get there. Still swinging the bat with power to all fields, though!

Juice the epitome of a professional PL. As always, the only competition is for second place.

SJG

I guess my milestone was the second time I got ITC head; I took it to mean that the first time wasn't a fluke.