What a "system" looks like from the other side
Lone_Wolf
Arizona
So for those of smooth as shit PL's that use a system to coax these sweet honeys to do OTC - do you ever wonder what a "system" looks like from a dancers perspective? Does a dancer instantly know when a system is being run? Do they find it pathetic or boring?
I imagine the more experienced dancers can smell a system a mile a way and can milk it for all its worth with no intention of doing OTC. I also imagine a lot of the honeys wish we would quickly work thru our system so she can start making good money p4p OTC. "hurry up and ask me to fuck for money" she's thinking as the PL is working thru his BS. Get there!
I imagine the more experienced dancers can smell a system a mile a way and can milk it for all its worth with no intention of doing OTC. I also imagine a lot of the honeys wish we would quickly work thru our system so she can start making good money p4p OTC. "hurry up and ask me to fuck for money" she's thinking as the PL is working thru his BS. Get there!
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I don't get the sense they find it pathetic at all. On the contrary a little social play suggests to them that 1. you're relatively safe, 2 you have money, 3. you're not going to blab or have loose lips, 4. you understand how it works, 5. you're probably done it before, 6. you understand tipping is involved, and 7. and you at least respect her emotions in all of this just a little bit (not putting her uncomfortable on the spot with no way out socially, etc).
Or it could be I have it backwards and it's they who are running the system (in reverse) on me. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Other feedback is: "You're the first guy tonight to not come right out and ask me to suck your dick / date me." Which suggests they appreciate the playfulness and tact-ness of it, just a little. Or at least waiting a couple songs, first.
The ironic thing is I actually not looking for OTC. Just ITC flirty fun. But they do seem to be intune some of the systems commonly out there.
It occurs to me guys who run a system may be selecting strippers who are running their own kind of system. For example, a player may consider it a win to get OTC sex, while the stripper's goal might be to get a string of guys who pay her well for OTC. Both play the game, both think they've won, and both think they've manipulated the other. That's not a bad outcome.
I had a regular recently that was very enthusiastic about OTC but she never followed through. After she broke the 2nd date I dumped her. It's important to not let a dancer string you along.
I need to back it up more often.
I do tip at the stage, and if a hottie is chatting me up at my table but I'm not buying dances, I'll tip $20 for her time. This is always acceptable.
Dressing nice in a strip club does carry weight and it does get you preferential OTC offers. At our clubs, some girls are looking to close the deal on a same night OTC. If they don't have it, they get more aggressive.
But no, being to obviously instrumental or manipulative will work against you. But many of these girls don't hold wanting a good fuck against a guy.
I think mostly Dugan's idea was about declining dance offers.
SJG
And it related solely to travel clubbing, where I am going into clubs as an unknown quantity with only a day or two to score OTC. Being a spending regular in a club is a different game altogether.
What I have been doing works for me, in part I suspect because it looks natural rather than like a "system." But to each his own.
Otherwise you just get your wallet sucked dry.
SJG
However, I do think it's important to listen to a dancer and figure out where they are on the willingness for OTC spectrum. Some have OTC experience and are ready and willing, while others are reticent and new to OTC. I take my time with ladies who really like me and my money but just need to have a few more assurances.
Not every stripper routinely fucks for money, although I'm finding most do. I think it's my natural giraffe charm, money and terrific TUSCL schooling. LOL!
As long as the system requires spending $300-$500, I'll wait.