My Little Observation About The Election
shailynn
They never tell you what you need to know.
Who is America? What is America?
I'm white, a lot of people have thought I was black. When I met JS69 and Vince for the first time I think they was shocked to find out I am white.
I live in a white area, I travel to places for work that are mostly white. Sometimes I may not even see someone who is not white for days at a time. To me, this is my America and this America voted in our new president.
Last night I flew out to the west coast, and I immediately became a minority. I was already a minority on the plane flying out from the east coast. These are the people that likely voted for Clinton. It's something that made me think after last night, who is America? What is America?
If America was a child what would she look like?
White America is scared of change, that's one of the reasons they voted for Trump. To make things like they were, but America has a new emerging face, that frightens many because they are unfamiliar with it. Not only do we have so many new religions with different cultures but now people are even redefining what gender is.
Hopefully it won't be as bad as people fear. Hopefully somewhere we can find a more common ground. Trump himself probably isn't the answer, but hopefully he surrounds himself with people that could help create the answer. If anything it's worth giving a chance to experiment with something other than career politicians.
I'm white, a lot of people have thought I was black. When I met JS69 and Vince for the first time I think they was shocked to find out I am white.
I live in a white area, I travel to places for work that are mostly white. Sometimes I may not even see someone who is not white for days at a time. To me, this is my America and this America voted in our new president.
Last night I flew out to the west coast, and I immediately became a minority. I was already a minority on the plane flying out from the east coast. These are the people that likely voted for Clinton. It's something that made me think after last night, who is America? What is America?
If America was a child what would she look like?
White America is scared of change, that's one of the reasons they voted for Trump. To make things like they were, but America has a new emerging face, that frightens many because they are unfamiliar with it. Not only do we have so many new religions with different cultures but now people are even redefining what gender is.
Hopefully it won't be as bad as people fear. Hopefully somewhere we can find a more common ground. Trump himself probably isn't the answer, but hopefully he surrounds himself with people that could help create the answer. If anything it's worth giving a chance to experiment with something other than career politicians.
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The fear and paranoia of anything non white dominated the campaign. People were affected by recession but they still don't understand how will Trump fix that and create more jobs and boost growth. I don't understand whether he wants to play with drones or isolate US from any foreign war or intervention in Syria or Iraq or Ukraine or commit to climate change.
Make America Great again is an anguished acknowledgement that China has beaten US in everything. US has been built by immigrants, and white people who call themselves natives have less than 5 generations history. 2-5 generations is pretty low for that sense of entitlement and closed mindedness towards the first of 2nd gen immigrants or other minorities. People should just stop being selfish and cry for protectionism.
The other big issue was cynicism with a career politician and rustic charm of an outsider who was aggressively impolite and politically incorrect on several occasions, and showed his intelligence by ideas like building a wall and correlation of Mexican illegal immigrants to rapists etc.
I never believed this quote could be interpreted in wrong way untill today.
His opponent was extremely disliked and he embraced an attitude his supporters were so desperate for that they were willing to ignore his gaffs and horrible comments/behavior.
Amusingly, at least to me, that desperate desire for something new and different is the same wave that ushered in Obama to his first term.
You should watch Black Mirror ( episode where they vote a cartoon character to be PM of England)
Good Lord
Gawker open your eyes, neither party is for personal freedom, they both want some form of control.
Yes I agree about their behavior. They aren't going to change anything except inconvenience and piss off the drivers that they have hemmed in because they're blocking the streets. If they aren't happy with the results they should work at putting up a better candidate in the future. My hunch is that their version of a better candidate would have a lower chance of winning though.
Bottom line is no matter who won there would be pissed off people although you wouldn't see the right doing BS antics like blocking streets and burning things yet the left like to see themselves as the civilized ones.
The only difference is her greed for $ and power.
Put the weed down.
If a high number of Latinos voted for him, were they really thinking they will get higher wages and job market expansion?
If AA voted for Trump what were thinking?
Hillary is a career politician and career politicians make compromises and will fall in the grey zone. However her term would have been predictable and maybe she would have been impeached in 2 years.
A lot of people forget and don't appreciate Obama's handling of post recession recovery in a very composed way. He didn't do anything radical, but he didn't let the hope waver.
But people are always looking for a radical change and don't understand how easy it is for things to fall apart with jerks (verb)
Now all people can say is we don't know what will happen. There is no plan, no policy but to undo Obama's work. No wonder the markets are shaken and we still have people saying Trump is better than Hillary. I wonder if the economists are traders and investment bankers are also left biased. Wake up guys you are not seeing the truth even after the election is over. Trump is not a victim and anti-establishment outsider Samaritan with best of intentions or ideas. You have chosen an unpredictable path which can be really fucked up.
White people, other bigots, uninformed uneducated(stupid) people unable to think for themselves, Hilary haters.
"If a high number of Latinos voted for him, were they really thinking they will get higher wages and job market expansion?
If AA voted for Trump what were thinking?"
I'm not sure high number of Latinos or blacks did vote for him. Those that did are incredibly naive or have no self respect...or they are rich.
"There is no plan, no policy but to undo Obama's work."
He didn't win because of policy. He won with the support of mainly dumbasses and bigots.
"You have chosen an unpredictable path which can be really fucked up."
See above comment.
Trump won due to uneducated urban whites (men and surprising number of women).
Still seems like a nightmare to me. Racism is alive in well in our great country.
If so, suck on the baby bottle and go to sleep.
Both parties ignored what these people were saying and worked in a vacuum. The Democratic party picked Hillary before the primary. They put up a Political lightweight from one of the smallest states in the country to oppose her and he almost won. Should that not have been a sign when she barely had enough support in her own party with a biased process?
Again, these people did not vote for Trump because of the many asinine and offensive statements he made, nor because of his plan or lack there of. They voted for Trump because the political machines (Republican and Democrat) have allowed their jobs to disappear for 25 - 35 years and they are fed up.
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No, @Meat, let me explain the election to you in a little more detail. Trump dumbs-down all his messages to appeal to poorly educated, low-information voters. Examples
1) Immigration is a problem? Let's build a massive wall to keep those bad assholes out. Solution that would only appeal to a child.
2) Muslims have engaged in high-profile attacks? Let's ban all of them. Makes sense to a child.
3) Tariffs up to 45% on imports from China or Mexico? Makes sense to a 4th grader.
Not to mention the all the bigotry and filth he spews on a regular basis. I'll do just fine, @Meat, but it's some of the urban working class whites who will suffer.
1) is not a natural politician - she's had a hard time being overwhelmingly liked going back to her days as AK first lady in the late 70s - politics is a people job and whether right or wrong charisma counts for a lot and she does not naturally have it
2) she's part of the political establishment and that is not in vogue these days
The experts and everyone else can analyze all they want as to why she lost but in the end she was a flaud candidate who was not even the fave person in her own party for many dems and that's why she lost
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She won the popular vote overall by about 1 percentage vote. She slaughtered Trump in three debates, in which Trump was an incoherent, unprepared, bullshitter. Racial identity was without question a deciding factor in the election -- and the election as a whole represents the rise of white nationalism.
One of my worries about this race is that the Democrats are going to "learn" from it by turning far more leftwards and choosing Bernie to run against Trump... and if Trump's act is going to wear thin on the American people, like I think it will, Bernie has a chance of winning. Bernie's the one and only candidate who could possibly get me voting for Trump, and I truly think would be even worse for America. Then again, Democratic voters have proven that they're smarter than Republican voters, so hopefully they won't resort to a Bernie candidacy.
Being ok with misogyny and racism is almost as bad. Call me whatever you want. This shit is disgusting. Seriously. The non racists and misogynist couldn't wait another cycle for a better "outsider". Amerikkka will deserve whatever that dipshiy does.
"Making america great again." lol. Yeah. Ok.
You are confirming what we already knew. I think most people understand clearly.
i have a ten spot that says the primaries will be michelle obama versus hillary clinton on the democratic side and a surprise challenger on the republican side with donald trump versus hillary clinton.
in the final show down of the general election i have another tenner that says it will be hillary clinton versus hillary clinton and i am calling it right now that hillary will still lose.
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The 2-degree climate-change goal is now toast due to the idiot we elected. So while progressives may have destroyed your "great land," your president-elect-idiot will destroy the whole planet. Based on one of your previous threads, I think that was your goal, anyway.
What I see on the election result maps is a clear separation between rural and urban - not race - not gender - not income, not even education. What I see in the national, state and local results is most voters in large cities voted for Clinton, and most of the rest of us voted for Trump. So if this nation is divided - the divide is between people living in crowded cities and everyone else.
Honestly, I think Trump won because too many people realized Clinton was TOO dishonest, TOO unlikable, to ever serve as President.
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1) There was no surge of Latino voters. Hispanics made up 10 percent in 2012 and only 11 percent in 2016
2) Hillary has a 12-point margin over trump with women but basically the same as Obama over Romney. So Trump was not a turnoff to women.
3) Education level had a huge difference in voter choice. Obama in last election: 50% of college grads and 51% of non-college grads. This time around: Clinton won 52% of college grads, 42% of non-college grads. Trump won voters without college degrees by 8 points.
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I find Clinton to be an honest, responsible, and very centrist candidate. I believe she would have made a great President.
I feel that most of the negative feelings about her are because of Right Wing Media, and they are just playing on the fact that she is a woman.
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Sjg, whatever Clinton is is better than the Donald. But honest is not one of them.
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This is also another reason why as the vote counting goes on, it usually shifts more towards the democrat, as it takes longer to count the urban precincts.
And then you can see this in the people elected to the US House and to state and local offices.
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My premiums have increased a lot since obamacare passed.
Hillary in my opinion wanted to destroy employer Heath insurance and have everyone dependent on the government. She says one thing in public, another to others and young people in my opinion don't understand her deceit. My premiums if forced to go on a government plan would go up a lot more.
I don't care if you are white, black, green, yellow or whatever color. I see Hillary as the nail in our country of ever having free markets and freedom from the government telling you every single thing you can do and can't do, even though we aren't real far from that now in my opinion. I do have freedom to post anonymously on this site. Corporations have destroyed that freedom even more telling you that you aren't free if you are identified as an employee and post anything in any way like our future president has said. If you do, you get fired. I have heard of this happening.
I did not vote for Trump in the primary nor Hillary and thought all of the above were poor choices but the only thing I could do is voice my opinion. I heard Hillary herself say she wanted open borders with southern countries. Criminals and others would be free to come here.
I might not have been terribly upset if she had won though. I'm in agreement with her former plans to raise the income cap on social security taxes so that higher income people were taxed more. These people make more than 90k or 100k, I'm not sure where the cap cuts in.
She might have attempted to fix social security or maybe leave it to run out of money, maybe
by raising everyone's payroll tax. She would have tried to ban guns if she could or increase taxes on guns, ammo, etc. she has said she would ban all guns in the hands of citizens if she could. She is corrupt but a little bit smarter or sometimes I thought but The Trump team outsmarted her in the election. I think he used less money to win the electoral college and still beat her which is impressive to me.
This has been like a comic book election. Crooked Hillary versus Donald. Let's all hope Mr Trump is successful in creating a lot of great jobs and a booming economy. If he does, we will need a lot of legal immigrants.
I still think we are due for a massive stock sell off in another year or two but let's enjoy the ride to sp500 2500 level.
Why don't I like her, I never said I didn't, I bet she is a charming woman. I could not vote for either, I would have written in my name before I voted for those 2.
Obama care had to be compromised just to get it passed, otherwise it would have gone down just as the Hillary Clinton 1993 plan had. That plan was actually too good, painless. Costs hidden below the cost level of what employers were already paying. Small businesses would get credits and have to pay little, but still get the big boost in their hiring competitiveness. Med businesses would get some credits, but typically they were already paying for health care. Large businesses usually had the best benefits already, so the Clinton plan would not have cost them more.
Everyone said that we pay more on heath care than we would if we had universal access, because of all the reactive and defensive emergency room care.
Well, Clinton had worked up a fantastic plan, to take advantage of this.
But, being so complicated, the health insurance industry was able to put on Thelma and Louise ads and give a completely distorted view.
Obama did not want to repeat this. What he has done is great.
But now we need to go further, to truly universal, not employment related, and single payer health care.
Nothing in life is not political. Politics is an expression of your underlying world view. How I get along with a strip club dancer is very likely going to be an expression of her political views.
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It makes one wonder how many other irresponsible things is our government doing with electronic communications.
Wikileaks has never accused her of anything more than just stupidity and trying to cover up.
The stuff Right Wing Media says has no relation to reality.
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We could ask those most qualified, the 8 sitting justices of the Supreme Court, to write the amendment.
Sometimes it is strange crises which force progress. Bring the United States forward out of the 19th Century.
Otherwise with this claim of weekly contact with Russians and the FBI announcements, it's "What did Trump know and when did he know it?" As it will be necessary to impeach him and require the same congressional 2/3rds.
Obama missed his FDR moment when he failed to nationalize or even re-regulate the banks. Well now on his way out he can have an even greater moment by finally fixing our system so that every vote counts, and averting a disaster of epic proportions.
Governing the most powerful nation in the world is nothing like a sporting match, as the stakes are so much higher. We all need therefore to think very hard about what is needed, and then do it.
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