Getting Played, thoughts
RTP
Charlotte, NC
Since my favorite attorney asks for advice here, I figured I would too. I go to one of my favorite clubs just about every week. I have been getting dances from one particular dancer (I don't have a favorite and want to avoid that) for about 6 months. I probably get $100 - $200 per month in dances on the floor. I tip her well. We have been talking about OTC for about 3 months. We talked about a price, she was fine with it. She lost her phone (from non payment) which makes communication hard.
Yesterday, I am getting a few dances and she asked me if I was free that night. I was (which is a rare situation). She told me to come back and take her home.
I show up about 30 minutes before the time she told me to be there. She gives me instructions as to where to park to meet her (can't be in the club lot). She also tells me that she has one more target for some dances and then she will leave. I stay for a few minutes, see her target go off with another dancer and see her go into the dancers locker room. I go to my car. About 15 minutes later she comes out, walking arm in arm with another dancer. They walk right past me and get into a car driven by the guy she told me was her target. I was not happy at all. I felt played and I could have made some other arrangements for my free Friday night.
So, even though she is not my favorite, she has lost status. I think I know how the game is played, but clearly I did not see this coming.
Yesterday, I am getting a few dances and she asked me if I was free that night. I was (which is a rare situation). She told me to come back and take her home.
I show up about 30 minutes before the time she told me to be there. She gives me instructions as to where to park to meet her (can't be in the club lot). She also tells me that she has one more target for some dances and then she will leave. I stay for a few minutes, see her target go off with another dancer and see her go into the dancers locker room. I go to my car. About 15 minutes later she comes out, walking arm in arm with another dancer. They walk right past me and get into a car driven by the guy she told me was her target. I was not happy at all. I felt played and I could have made some other arrangements for my free Friday night.
So, even though she is not my favorite, she has lost status. I think I know how the game is played, but clearly I did not see this coming.
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Just remember another bus will be along shortly. I know I have 2 others lined up for today.
How you decide to move on is up to you. You can move on to other fish and/or you can try with her again with stipulations.
There's no reason you can't start working someone else and still try to get with her. But with other options on the table you won't be so concerned if she keeps being flakey.
While I usually advocate not getting emotional over dancer rejection, in this instance I would've been really pissed. Sure she can choose a bigger spender, but to not communicate with you and walk right by you is the height of disrespect. I would not only never spend a penny on her again but I'd sit right at the stage ever time she's on and refuse to tip a penny. And Id spend a bunch on other dancers in front of her. I know that's not the mature thing to do but that honestly is what I'd probably do.
Be thankful it was nothing worse and move on. As others have said it's just part of the game.
Getting into a tic for tat spat with a stripper? Not sure if I can think of anything more pathetic or lame.
If she takes offense, then you know where you stand?
Depending on where I was in my SC career, I would have given you different advice. In my current phase, I'd say, no matter how much you want more dances from her or still want OTC, move on. No amount of hotness is worth tolerating being treated like a bitch -- and that is exactly the way you were treated -- and certainly not going back to her to spend even a cent, which would prove that she made the right call in treating you that way. Really, you'll find another girl who you like just as much or more, and having the slightest shred of dignity and self-respect is worth it. So "lost status" is not enough, just move on. No reason to cuss her out, no reason to interact with her at all, no reason to obsess on her, living well (or SCing well) is the best revenge, just move on.
There are some poker rooms that I do great in. There are some that I have won significantly and also lost significantly in. Then there are those casinos that I have only lost, and never won in, and those are the ones I swore never to return to.
Strippers are similar. Some are great, some are so-so, some are horrible.
Some deserve a second chance and some should be written off, never to be bothered with again.
With your stripper, she probably got a last minute, better offer which likely equaled her making some money. When you think about it for a minute, you can't blame her if that was the case. What if your boss had called you and said "I need you to immediately come to work right now. I'll pay you what you make in a 2 weeks for 2 hours of work tonight." Most of us would probably dump the stripper and take that offer.
Where she screwed up, she should have stopped by your car and explained why she's not coming with you and apologized, but then again most young naive people would not think to do that. She may have gone to do OTC with that guy, or maybe just going somewhere to party.
You said you've been talking about OTC for 3 months, I don't think I have ever worked anyone for that long, so it may be time to look elsewhere for OTC if that's your main goal.
I'm not in your shoes, but one incident like this wouldn't make me kick her to the curb without some aggravating factor you've perhaps left out.
However, I don't necessarily agree that somehow it would have made things better of the dancer had stopped by the OP's car to say she was heading home with someone else. I mean, exactly how was that supposed to go?
Dancer: "Oh hey, thanks for waiting for me in the spot I told you to wait for me in. Sorry, but I got a better offer from someone else and am going to head home with them. Maybe next time, right?"
OP: "Thanks for letting me know. That was nice of you. I understand not wanting to come home with me now since some other guy made you a better offer. Have a great time!"
Uhhhh, no. Once the dancer decided to not follow through with what she agreed to do with the OP, it was best to just have it end the way it did - as tough as it may have been at the time for the OP.
If I were in your shoes, I would consider her actions so disrespectful of my time and feelings that I would never spend another cent on her and would buy lots of dances from others when she's working, as others have suggested. I would not, however, sit at her stage and refuse to tip her -- that would be petty (though understandable).
-->"With your stripper, she probably got a last minute, better offer which likely equaled her making some money. When you think about it for a minute, you can't blame her if that was the case. "
My experience is, it's not always easy to divine stripper motivations. A better offer will do it, but I absolutely know strippers who'll fuck customers over because, say, the other customer has drugs, or because she thinks it'll be more fun to do a two-some with her stripper friend, or she's just decided on a whim to change her plans. If I were to bet on anything, it's that while still in the club, she was telling the other stripper and customer, "OMG guys, I have another customer waiting for me in the parking lot. HAHAHA!" ... and then while walking out with them, "Hey, there is he is in that car, shut up stop laughing, don't look over! Haha!" I know this because I've been on both sides of the "customer screwed over" and "guy who gets the benefit of customer screwed over".
For me, I think there's a lot of rationalization going on for finding reasons to get treating unacceptably, then just go crawling back -- or to let yourself get treated any old way, and then talk yourself into why you deserve it.
There are strippers -- in fact, plenty of them -- who would have handled the situation different. Yes, with strippers there's some level of bad behavior we have to put up with, otherwise we'd not be able to consort with strippers at all, but for me there's a world of difference between "she's 30 minutes late" or "she cancelled at the last minute", and the humiliating, disrespectful way OP was treated. I couldn't possibly respect myself if I didn't move on to a better stripper.
@maho: No, I wouldn't expect her to *tell* me she'd gotten a better offer. A simple "can't make it, sorry," would be sufficient.
Of course, having done this for a while, I know that means she either chickened out, got a better offer. In the latter case, I'll either raise my ante or wait for another opportunity. If it's the former case, there's nothing to be gained with some absolutist "one strike and you're out" attitude. I can be patient, if that's what it takes.
It's also possible she never had any intention of meeting, but that explanation will become more obvious with experience doing this sort of thing.
But your best bet is to dump her and find a hotter girl.
read my post on what to do when a dancer cunt pisses you off.
george, I don't think anyone has a "one strike and you're out" policy. Hell, I'll go so far as to say, any who has a "one strike and you're out" policy, better also have a "I don't go to strip clubs" policy, but you'd better get used to some strikes if you're dealing with strippers! That said, EVERYONE has some limit as to what they'll take. If she stole your wallet, is it one strike and you're out? If she roofied you, is it one strike and you're out? Of course it is. What we're all arguing, I think, is along the sliding scale of "I'll just let that slide" to "she better do something to make up for it" to "one strike and she's out", where does OP's story lie? Some of you guys have insanely high tolerance for being treated badly, being humiliated, etc., some guys have less. For me, OP's story, plus the fact that she's not even a fave, makes it an easy call. There are plenty of strippers who treat their customers better, this is an awesome opportunity to find one. Also, there's this:
wildbourbon-->"but I held my ground and now every time she's on stage, she glances at me and quickly looks away. I love it."
Not allowing yourself to be treated like a bitch or humiliated, can be incredibly empowering, IMO. Having decently high standards for yourself will effect your entire outlook at the club. For me, at least, making excuses for why I should let a stripper treat me badly does the opposite. Again, I don't mean "she's 30 minutes late; one strike and she's out", but the OP's story is well beyond how I'll tolerate being treated.
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But – it is the nature of the beast – I rarely take it personal anymore unless it involves stealing my $$$ (outright stealing-it or her failing to hold her end of the bargain after I gave her $$$ for something – which I don’t do – anymore).
I’ve had some falling out w/ some dancers and then they’ve rocked my world on another visit (the nature of the beast).
I am perfectly aware that 99% of dancers don’t give a shit about me and in all reality I accept that since in all honesty I really don’t give a shit about them beyond what they do for me – not saying that I treat them bad; not at all; just that the extent of my “relationship” w/ them is just the exchange of good$ for services.
BUT for every night like that another night will work out and you'll have a great time. You don't have to see her again but there's plenty of fish in the SC.