Dancer ethical dilemma
JohnSmith69
layin low but staying high
What are the ethical standards that govern this situation?
Dancer A comes up to sit with random customer. She hangs with him for three songs. He doesn't buy her a drink. They just talk. The guy seems to be enjoying himself from outward appearances. The subject of getting dances does not come up in their conversations, at least not yet.
Dancer A goes on stage for two song set. During set, Dancer B comes to sit with the customer. Customer is a regular of B. They texted before the evening began and plan to spend time together. Customer dances with several girls sometimes but always ends the evening in VIP with B. B gives outstanding lap dances but no extras.
B is very worried about A sitting with her regular because A fucks in VIP. B doesn't want to lose regular to extras girl. If it matters, B is much prettier than A in my opinion. B is one of my girls, thus my interest. But A is by no means ugly. Just not as pretty as B.
A comes off stage and returns to customer.
Ethical question: who now gets to sit with customer and seek to withdraw from this ATM? Is it A, B, or A and B?
Customer is too inexperienced or shy to know what to do or to express an opinion. He just sits there and lets the girls figure it out.
In a cat fight, I'm guessing that it would be a tie. A is the bigger girl but B is a tough little one.
Who should get the customer under this scenario?
I'll tell what actually happened after seeing the opinions.
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Reasoning 2: A. While B can perform a GREAT lap dance session making wish for no dancer better, A can dance probably well enough to make you at full attention, but good enough should be ok because next the pants come off and your rocket is in her socket, which is the ultimate end game I can assume. If B really wants to keep you as a customer wistful thinking can make her actually want to put out to keep you but don't hold your breathe. B can then become the "side" stripper (can't believe you people really relate strippers with real world girlfriends but that's not the topic at hand) and you can take her to the back when A isn't in the club. But for the now, go for A
He is her regular. She has spent time building a rapport with him, thus invested much more energy into him already. A has only chatted with him for a few songs.
They texted earlier to confirm he was coming in [to see her]. This means he already gave her his word and vice versa; they have already agreed to spend time together.
B is also prettier and better looking than A. While this is subjective, for the sake of this ethical dilemma, we will say Customer agrees.
B should get the customer. She should take him into VIP and make him spend until he can't spend anymore, leaving no money left to be spent on A.
Whomever the customer wants to! The customer did not promise anything to A. Usually what I do, it tip A for her time (even $5 will do, but a gentleman could be more generous), and tell A that "I am sitting with B now" and send her on her way with the tip, as politely as possible (she's a professional, but she's still a flesh and blood woman). Then get B settled in.
JS69 --> "Customer is too inexperienced or shy to know what to do or to express an opinion. He just sits there and lets the girls figure it out."
Danger! Bee-BOOP, Bee-BOOP, Bee-BOOP .. ;-)
Hey, we've all been there. The inherent problem there is the SC is a pseudo-social experience, not a fully sanitized professional experience. Yet it's not a true social experience either. Cat fight? Yep.
JS69 --> "Who should get the customer under this scenario?"
Some of this depends on club etiquette. Some clubs allow for A to have the right of way (very slow hustle, laid back club). Most clubs would allow B to have the right of way for 2 reasons (1) customer was there to see B as her regular and (2) B was sitting with customer since A left for stage. The problems A had are twofold: (1) A left her "kill" unattended and (2) A didn't let the customer know what she wanted.
Ooh, I love these ethics posts. They are so much fun to answer.
YUP.
CF and new girl look about the same (8/10), same ethnicity, same body type. CF is unreliable and aloof, but a full party girl with lots of mileage and less rules the more you spend. The new girl is more like a SW chick: reliable, punctual, less of a drinker, a more professional demeanor, dances are very strict with boundaries that do not change (not a problem for me), etc. Both are great conversationalists.
That should be interesting as well!
I think this is ultimately the right answer.
Nina, I disagree. However, since b is the regular and he was there for b, she deserves at least as much as a.
I'd just find a whole new chick who you can find reliable or quit having favs and just mess with whoever is available during your time of need.
Scenario is well known to me. Trust me. New dancer "A" was warned she will be swimming with the fishes unless she stays away from me.
I've always understood morals to be the "principles* of right and wrong, and ethics to be the *practice* of those principles.
This, if a stripper is acting according to her principles, she's acting ethically. :)
As for the question at hand, from the *dancers'* standpoints, since the customer didn't reject either of them, and accepted, to a degree, the attentions of both, they both have a "claim" on him, and neither can call that claim absolute.
Now it's up to the customer to decide. :)
Looks like Nina won.
Like Dominic suggested, PL should tip Dancer A for her time.
Lol right that's why when I worked at all the 8 mile clubs I made more money than the extras girls and continue to be a top earner everywhere I go. ;)
Estafador - At the last extras club I worked at I literally won a trophy for "Best Lap Dance" because the managers knew I didn't do extras but led the charts in songs spent in the VIP almost every night. Just a reference point. They weren't really "competition" for me anyway, we don't even provide the same services.
Obviously it's the customer's choice. But that's not really an answer here because like I said he's too much of a pussy to take charge so the girls have to figure it out.
I do not know if A knew that this was B's regular customer. But I think what A would say is that doesn't matter because A sat down when the customer was alone and B was sitting with me. So A would claim squatters rights.
My opinion is that if the customer won't act B should get first shot. But what really happened is that B voluntarily got up and let A sit back down with him. She is a nice, sweet, non confrontational dancer and that's part of the reason. I also suspect that she thought that the customer would appreciate her selflessness. She said he often dances with others but just finishes with her. Of course, as I tried to tell her, he may choose pussy over selflessness.
I left soon thereafter so I don't know which dancer got the VIP. I will ask the next time I see B.
It is very rare for a hot stripper to degrade herself to giving head to make money.
Nina-->"They texted earlier to confirm he was coming in [to see her]. This means he already gave her his word and vice versa; they have already agreed to spend time together."
For me, the appointment is sacrosanct. If I make an appointment with a stripper, and she breaks it without telling me, I'm irritated; if she goes to dance with someone else while I'm there without my approval, she's fired and I'm finding a new regular girl, period. And she can rely on me the same way. If we make an appointment, I'm hers for the night, she can rely on me spending what I usually spend, no dances with anyone else without me asking her first. If she was not planning on coming in, and dragged herself in just for me -- well, I'll be there, period, spending on her what she expects.
I don't say that's the right model for everyone. But for me, it gives me the experience I'm looking for.
In the end, though, it's down to what the customer is looking for, period. The only reason this is a problem at all is this: "Customer is too inexperienced or shy to know what to do or to express an opinion. He just sits there and lets the girls figure it out." Bad customers lead to bad situations. Confident assertive customers may sometimes have to give a dancer a minor disappointment here and there, but in the end it will prevent any super negative dancer politics. If the customer is a little bitch, bad things can happen.
Truth. Self edification is a sign of little paternal attention as a child.
Lots of people point out the customers obvious role in this. But I think many (likely most) customers are too timid to deal with something like this. They don't know what to do so they do nothing. Or they are too afraid of offending whatever dancer they want least. I think most of us would have dealt with this easily and quickly but that's not going to happen with a huge number of customers.
Again, to me, the appointment is so inviolable that, assuming stripper B has been keeping up her end of the bargain, that there are few circumstances I can see that would get me to switch to stripper A. In this situation, what I personally do is get A's number and plan to see her another time.
Ethics are for loosers/get played. Dancer B can not sit with regular the whole night. This is a woman share program. It would be very rare for B to say "fuck the other guys, I made my house fee tonight, I'd rather sit here with your than walk around and "wanna dance" to PLs". B can't spend the whole night with the customer, she has to go to other customers. Once the "date" is over or first customer to dancer $ handover happened, the appointment was kept, both sides are free to split for the rest of the night.
I once got a "fuck that, Im not hustling tonight, I'll BS with you for almost free". That was from a dancer who quit stripping on her 21st birthday a few weeks later (became a bartender), that dancer was sitting by herself most of the night in her phone, I had to walk upto her and introduce myself, because the stereotypes say that she has zero chance asking me for a dance, so some dancers dont approach me on stereotypes even if they are customerless and I have to cold call them out of the corner of strippers in their phones if I love what I see.
s88: That's the way I almost always SC: appointment up front, and the stripper stays with me the 3-5 hours until I leave, exclusively... although I don't try to do this after it gets busy (say, after 10:30pm), it is otherwise the way I've been strip clubbing for the past 7 years, week in and week out. If we have an appointment, she's mine. There's no getting played on either side -- she's getting my $, exclusively.
That said, I can see why some of you guys would not agree with "the appointment is inviolate" if that's not the way things work with you, and the appointment doesn't get you any guarantee of better treatment.
Oh! That changes everything. If it's a "she'll hang out for a bit, then flit away, then flit back", If she's running off to see other customers, he can do dances with other girls. It's hard to see what the appointment is buying him at all, and also that the notion that he might run into a girl he likes better is just the rules of the road
I agree w/ the others that say it’s the custy’s decision – but w/ many custies “not being versed in the game” nor having been TUSCLarly educated; one can see how issues will arise in the often competitive and cutthroat world of SCs.
Being that communication is key:
a) if the custy is a regular then he should know how to handle things
b) if the custy does not have balls; then somebody needs to take-charge so might as well be the dancer that knows the game – i.e. she should explicitly tell balless something like “I’ll be right back to be with *you* - other girls will approach you but if you want to spend time with me just tell them you are waiting for me”
If neither stripper nor custy “communicates” properly then garbage-in garbage-out results.
But I agree if the custy is alone then he’s available unless he sez he’s not.
On the other note if A knew it was B's regular she should not have gone back to them after she came off stage and left it at just trying while B was on stage.
s88 has gone to plaid!
I left right after B let A sit with her regular. As expected A offers him full service in the VIP. Customer says no thanks.
B returns to the customer. He tells B about A's offer and says he doesn't want to fuck some ho who has fucked every other guy in the place.
B gets her VIP with customer.
And all is well.