Stripper Web
WOW....I have heard some of you guys mention this StripperWeb so I went and read some on there and I think my CF must be a regular reader or maybe even a teacher on there. I saw so many things she does by the book according to StripperWeb. She must have written the part about stringing a regular that you know wants OTC along as long as possible by still getting him to come get dances in the club but never have OTC sex.
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Turn and burn her my friend
Never spend on a girl ITC solely trying to get her OTC. If the ITC is enjoyable for the price on its own, great. But don't think of money spent on her ITC as an investment in future access.
As much as "The System" gets mocked, there's a certain truth that a guy only looking for OTC needs to present himself as:
1) I'm a (relatively) safe guy
2) I have money
3) dancers can get that money for OTC
4) dancers can't get ( much of) that money ITC.
Without 4), there's less incentive for dancers to make the jump.
Sorry hungrygiraffe, but a "good girl" syndrome ain't flying, and it isn't the backdrop for the ridiculous crap over on SW. What it is is a bunch of holier-than-thou divas with a sense of entitlement that is re-inforced by each other and the white knights that dwell there. Although it is often good for a laugh or two, it is actually quite disturbing. Just sayin'.
I'm guessing those SW bitches don't act like that in a club. Just like around here -- whenever a dancer posts here (especially with pictures) -- the tough guys on this board roll up their man-parts and fawn over them like a 6th grade schoolboy.
A few have discussed the dishonest, sociopathic techniques they use. And this site has taught me a hot girl can often extract a lot of cash from a guy without necessarily giving much up.
The "stringing along a guy for OTC" is just a variation of the stringing a guy along for a date scam. Guys, don't fall for it. If she is not DTF outside after being around you 3 or 4 times, then it's time to move on or keep dancing with her but forget about transitioning to OTC.
When you look at it objectively, it just seems like an ego or neediness thing. A guy gets turned down 2 or 3 times and then keeps persisting and spending money on the same dancer, even though he's been rejected. Doesn't make a lot of sense to me, and could be neediness. Some of these girls are masters at manipulation, which is why I am always wary with vets and often enjoy the company of younger dancers, many of whom are not comfortable with these types of underhanded shenanigans.
That's the thing though ... I think the kind of posing and venting they do FEELS good, but is not even remotely healthy emotionally and spiritually. It is not therapeutic to build a fantasy world and lie about what you do. It is not therapeutic to group-think small questionable actions (like getting waved off rudely, or guys who go to the club just to drink, or guys who touch their ass, etc. etc.) into sexual assault, etc., nor is it healthy to so dehumanize their customers. They are becoming worse people and worse strippers, not better. SW is like heroin to them -- it feels good, so at first they think it's good for them, but I doubt very much the type of thinking (or lack of thinking) it encourages is anything but damaging in the long run.
Fascinating.
I feel naive.
But I'm happy.
Why do the strippers all seem to to think and act alike, even though much/most of what they say/post goes completely against our regular experiences in a strip club? It's the hive mentality that takes over the place, and has gradually increased through three very distinct eras. The first was what I dubbed "Mileage Wars 1," in which a number of formerly very popular strippers were first shamed and then shunned by the other female dancers for admitting they actually liked giving lap dances and that it wasn't just "work" to them. The board quieted down until another baby stripper posted in one of ehr first posts that she often got off on giving laps, and really enjoyed taking care of her customers. This started "Mileage Wars 2" and drove away more strippers who had no issues publicly admitting that they were a sex worker who actually enjoyed sex (heavens!). Finally, the death knell for most strippers (and many frequent male posters as well) was The Accusation by a stripper named Dottie Rebel, who accused the SW benefactor "Kevin" of drugging and raping her.
Most everyone who was anyone left the site and a number of dancers then started EDN (Exotic Dancers Network), a "site by strippers for strippers," which was clearly a dig at the former owner of SW who was a guy who was another dancer's webmaster who then started up StripperWeb. As a side note, before EDN started up, a large number of former SW dancers started their own private dancer only website, to which I and a few other male participants were allowed to be a member of. This site was was a real eye opener,and the dancers on it were a lot more honest about what they did and to whom they did it. They also shared secrets from other dancers, until finally one of them copied the posts and shared them with other dancers outside of the private site, which was its death knell.
So, are dancers on SW representative of dancers in general? The obvious answer is no, and it no different than asking that same question of the posters on TUSCL. Are TUSCL posters what dancers see in strip clubs? Given that 85% of the posts on this site are done by either retards or trolls (non-arguable), one would say this site is just as representative of customers as SW is of dancers. When I walk in to Hi-Liter, I see the same type of guy buying lap dances: middle-aged (40-65), white, probably married, and looking for something he can't get in the real world (maybe it's an Asian fetish, or a leg fetish, or boobs, or whatever), but the time they spend with dancers, no matter how pricey this hobby is, is valuable to them.
Here's the difference between SW and TUSCL though: SW was set up to be a female-first website, and it was by design that males on that site were/are second class citizens. I had the opportunity to speak with the owner of SW years ago at a party we organized with a bunch of local strippers and when I asked him why men essentially had no rights on SW, he had no qualms about admitting that he could not care less about how the men were treated on that site, as it was a dancer-support site. Contrast that to TUSCL, where the trolls and retards are not only tolerated, but actively applauded for being such, and where the founder, through his inaction, has demonstrated he could not care less that intelligent discussion of anything strip club related is damn near impossible here.
CP
And it's always amusing to see how their posts in general are so completely different from what I experience in a stripclub. Actually, I also remember seeing a thread maybe 6 months back where a stripper came onto the blue side and asked what the guys typically paid for OTC (the replies from blues were very realistic, IMO, and on average maybe just slightly more than what I usually pay). She was perplexed as to the numbers she was hearing, vs what she was told on the pink side she should be charging. Meanwhile, there is a pinkside thread where a stripper is asking the sisterhood what she should charge for having dinner with her regular, and there were a few people who were agreeing $500 was reasonable. Meanwhile, in my entire SC career -- and I've been SCing longer than many of those women have been alive -- I've never ever been charged one dime for dinner, other than buying dinner and drinks.
Anyway, always a fun read
Retards and trolls and a lack of honesty?
So you obviously haven't a clue what goes on in this site. Are there some trolls, sure. Are there some guys who exaggeratelse the truth, sure. But we know who the fckn trolls are and who are bullshitters. We have an excellent "ignore " feature (which I will soon be adding you to) and most of us use it accordingly.
That said we have a forum centered around the hobby but open to anything and everything else, sports, politics, financial news, race debates, and everything thing else that begs the human condition. We have these not so retarded discussion because most of us are interested in the human condition as it applies to both customers and strippers a like. We have honest hard hitting discussion because we are challenging our selves and each other to reach for the impossible (or at least what society has told us is impossible ) we dare have our cake and eat it too. We dare look into ourselves and challenge our fears, doubts, frustration, sure mostly in search if having the ultimate club experience but the ultimate experience is a good time and good feelings for both us and the dancers. This is a site that inspires positive relationships. Is there some shot talking, just enough for us to prove we're heterosexual sexual males (and Lesbian) but it's all in fun.
SW on the other hand is a place where females judge other females negatively, talk about the customers negatively, everything is so goddamn negative. And the girls are completely full of shit. I've been blown, fucked, and blown some more all without asking. I've demonstrated respect for the working ladies, and in the end became friends (well buddies) . Stripperweb would have one believe that it's all about strippers getting over on customers and in-fighting. And that girls are entitled to money because they have TnA. Give me a break.
So please go suck on your own dick somewhere else, j/k. You obviously don't have one
As for the 85% figure, remember that most of the "trolls and retards" are actually just three or four people.
@GACAclub: Overreact much? I saw nothing Chili's post that was even vaguely troll-like.
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Using multiple screen names and posting constantly. I believe that 85% is about right on the post percentage. It doesn't take many people to shit and piss enough to turn even a big pool into a dirty toilet. :)