Unaccompanied females

The bottom line, from a legal point of view, is that unless a potential patron is unruly, drunk, belligerent, etc they must be allowed entry. This is the law protecting everyone to full access of public accommodations. Now once a person us admitted they can be bounced if they are causing trouble or behaving badly or seen to be obviously hooking. But no one can be denied admittance based on gender, race, religion, disability, etc. It's a civil law. Along this same line- what about the guy who looks like a pimp? You gonna deny him entrance? Or the drug dealer? You can't pick and choose at the door......unless your a trendy celebrity filled nightclub lol.

I've seen a few single women customers in my club, and none was a prostitute as far as I could tell. If I'm wrong they had to be VERY inexpensive...

I think only the dumbest or greenest managers or bouncers can't tell a customer from a hooker.

"I've seen a few single women customers in my club, and none was a prostitute as far as I could tell. If I'm wrong they had to be VERY inexpensive..."

Brilliant!

Seems like 90% of the unaccompanied females that I see in my favorite club are actually off duty strippers that just come in to hang with their friends. One butch has been coming in a lot lately to keep tabs on her girl friend. When she is there the mileage with her girl friend goes down the shitter and she won't do VIPs.

I usually see groups of young women doing 'girls night out' that have watched too many Hollywood movies and think they are super cool. The girls love to dance and after a few pops will start dancing in the club which can be really hot. Unfortunately you need a permit to dance in an adult establishment in GA, so the bouncers shut that shit down quick.

Funny this topic comes up. Last Friday I was approached by single female in the club who told me she was 'private dancer', whatever the fuck that meant. She was not my type so said no thanks, but found it difficult to get rid of her.

Lol VBD- you might have found that hooker that knightwish was talking about

I've seen VBD in action. He is a chick magnet. :)

Don't want to ignite another flame war. But technically it's a private business and as long as they aren't discriminating, they can deny entry to anyone they don't want in. That's how those fancy NYC clubs get away with only letting in the pretty people.

Private clubs can do whatever they want to. Most stripclub are PUBLIC businesses. They cannot refuse admission based on protected classes of people like I named above. That becomes discrimination. Someone can always go home and change their clothing in an effort to get into a club that has a clothing policy. You cannot change your race or gender or disability. Well you could change genders but I doubt anyone would want to!

Yeah – denying entrance to all unaccompanied females is def overkill and not right.

Too many strip clubs seem to be doing business as if it was still the 1980s – times have changed – case in point all the stripper contractor-vs-employee lawsuits the SCs are losing.

The prostitutes in the club may have been an issue in certain seedy SCs back in the day; but we're not in the 1970s anymore and things have evolved – SCs need to evolved also.

sclvr5005, unfortunately that is not the law. There are some prohibitions against discrimination, but the burden of proof will be on the plaintiff. If a business wants to exclude someone, they can just do it and the cops will back them up. These sorts of situations come up all the time.

About the only recourse, if one wants to fight and I would not do this with a strip club, but it is to go to the property owner or to mount a sidewalk picketing campaign.

But yes, unescorted women in strip clubs are usually hookers. Or at least that is how it used to be. Maybe not anymore.

SJG

No, san jose guy...you are wrong. It IS the law. Yes the burden of proof is on the victim. If the proprietor will not correct the situation, you don't call a cop...how ridiculous is that? You call a lawyer. Usually a well written letter from an attorney will settle the matter. If it escalates to a lawsuit, you'd better believe that if that proprietor violated a civil rights law...they will lose. I know a bit about both civil rights and business law.

Cops don't do shit. Lawyers are expensive but worth it. My dad, sister and wife are all lawyers. They do far more for justice than the police. The police are the foot soldiers, who then let the officers sort it out.

Strip clubs might be public businesses, but they're also private property. While a doorman probably can't turn away every unaccompanied woman, in his best judgment, he can turn away some, particularly those who he feels will cause trouble -- the obvious drunks and drug addicts, those with a full head of steam looking for their SOs and/or the dancer they're banging, off-duty employees who shouldn't be distracting on-duty employees, people who have been identified as trouble-makers in the past, and the like.

sclvr5005,

I don't think your interpretation of the law is entirely correct. Night clubs, unlike restsurants, are not considered places of "public accommodation" and therefore, under certain circumstances can indeed refuse service.

No, motorhead. You are incorrect. Night clubs, stripclubs, hotels, restaurants, retail stores, etc are PUBLIC accommodations, as originally determined thru federal civil rights laws. If they are open to the general public, they fall under that umbrella. This all was originally derived for businesses to accommodate disabled persons and not discriminate against them. It was expanded over the years to also include full access and accommodations regardless of gender, race, religion, sexual orientation, etc.

And of course a business has to protect itself against those who may want to enter to cause trouble, regardless of the gender or race of that person. But to systemically refuse service or entry to any protected class of people simply because they are female, black, Jewish or WHATEVER and they have not shown any other reason to be turned away is undeniably discriminatory.

I stand corrected if my interpretation is incorrect, but it's been my understanding that in general, night clubs are not considered public accomodations because they often cater to a specific clientele or social class. (Although some local and state laws due include bars

and night clubs in the definition of public accommodations).

Of course it's discrimination to exclude a protected class. A strip club cannot arbitrarily deny entrance to a black female for example, but if the club can show they have a history of not allowing all single women because they may be prostitutes and thus are distruptive to business, it may not necessarily be illegal.

I'm not saying it's right. I have no problem with single women in the club. Maybe the courts to clarify it further.

I wouldn't worry about unescorted females trying to make money with sex. They could go to a regular bar just as easy and nowadays, both parties wouldn't know if the other was a cop or undercover. 85% of the time, female customers don't approach me about anything. I did have a female suggest or hint at sex back at her place but she never hinted at needing any money. In fact it was weird because she acted like any guy in a strip club must be desparate for sex or something. Then when I acted like I wasn't interested, she starts asking if I'm gay. I was thinking, first she acts like I must be desparate, then she insults me again by asking if I'm gay because I wasn't interested in fucking a total female stranger. Maybe she was a dancer from another club. A strip club is a bad place to just walk up to a guy you don't know and try to get him to leave Especially if it's a wanna dance club. Guys are used to saying no right away. I've said no to dancers requests for dances probably thousands of times. Now if she looked like taylor swift or similar, I might chance it and say ok. I think I would recognize her.

@motorhead- Nightclubs are very much considered public accommodations - they serve entertainment, drinks and sometimes food just like other public businesses. And no public business can justify excluding an entire class of people due to the prior misbehavior of others. It is blatantly illegal. Title II of The Civil Rights Act of 1964 clearly outlines that places of entertainment are included as public accommodations. Some states extend the list of eligible businesses even more.

You have convinced me.

So when i get denied entrance to Curves tomorrow, I can file a discrimination lawsuit?

Those who described strip clubs as public locations that cannot discriminate based on sex are correct. It is theoretically possible to have a truly private strip club that could be limited to men, but that would be very difficult to create and defend legally. And I've never seen or heard of such a private strip club. It's not enough to be private just by the club requiring a membership if that membership is open to people walking in off the street. It would be required to genuinely have a limited, exclusive membership not open to the general public to have any hope of being considered private.

We really need jerikson to do his fake male thing here and tell us why women destroy the strip club experience. I personally enjoy having female customers under most circumstances, although it does occasionally piss me off that they get better service than me even when I'm spending a lot more.

Not sure why a prostitute would come to a strip club except as a dancer. Sure it's full of horny men, but that's true most everywhere. The competition from a roomful of naked women would seem to discourage a prostitue from coming to a club to look for business.

So if a club won't deny someone because of sex, does that mean the door girl will have sex? If that was true, I could save money on dances and just take longer to get in. :)

@motorhead- lol I think that you could, but would you really want to? They are all old fat chicks at Curves!

A public establishment cannot deny access without cause. This is why you see "no shirt,no shoes, no service". That is a justifiable cause. Putting up a sign that says "no women" is a civil rights violation. A private club can restrict membership but to be considered private it really has to be invite only ie: country club but even then nowadays people have sued and won to gain access. I don't know the actual legalities of a true private club but public opinion is a bitch if you really want to deny a certain class access.

I see hookers in Detroit strip clubs all the time--they're called dancers.

I agree with JamesSD. Even if you give the benefit of the doubt, any hooking will be fairly obvious, and she can be bounced out.

sclvr5005, These kinds of situations come up all the time in retail businesses. They are not allowed to engage in discrimination, of the sorts prohibited in State and Federal law, but they refuse to grant entry to persons all the time, and without stating a reason. If the party does not accept that, they will call the cops and the cops will back them up.

I wish the protections against discrimination were greater, but they are not. It is rare that you hear about someone wining a discrimination suit. But for a business to decline someone is extremely common, even daily.

Just for the record, I had heard about this issue as it pertains to women in the San Gabriel Valley clubs. No, these clubs should not be discriminating, and arbitrarily refusing unescorted women is a legally prohibited form of discrimination. But to do anything about it you have to file a law suit and the burden of proof will be on you.

I wouldn't attack a strip club, because it is a special sort of rarity. But in other situations I have gotten retail businesses closed or evicted. That is easier than gaining justice in the civil courts.

And welcome back Mr. PhantomGeek. You have been missed.

SJG

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And as usual, san jose guy, you are wrong on virtually all counts. Do some homework about lawsuits, discrimination and results. You will be educated and humbled.

sclvr5005,

If you know of some discrimination lawsuits pertaining to retail environments I would very much like to know about them. I do try to follow such things.

As I see it, they are very rare.

SJG