Unaccompanied females
knightwish
Massachusetts
OK well this discussion happened a few days back with a rather rude post / trolling / flaming. But I wanted to have a more real conversation because I thought this was an interesting topic. If clubs are going to allow unaccompanied females routinely how do they deal with the hooking issue, "I've got a hotel room a block away...". ? Also for clubs with lots of public play and high house fees (example NYC) why should a dancer pay house fees and tip outs, have to do stage time and be limited on milage when she can just come in as a "customer" and do dances? How are clubs handling this?
I've certainly seen women as customers but generally they are accompanied or in groups. I've seen female customers that are there mainly as customers and they make it obvious they are customers. But I've also had times where it is hard for me to tell hooker, dancer before after shift, dancer from another club, girlfriend, customer... Obviously the door guys and bouncers are in a better position to suss this out but... So anyway figured I'd open this up.
I've certainly seen women as customers but generally they are accompanied or in groups. I've seen female customers that are there mainly as customers and they make it obvious they are customers. But I've also had times where it is hard for me to tell hooker, dancer before after shift, dancer from another club, girlfriend, customer... Obviously the door guys and bouncers are in a better position to suss this out but... So anyway figured I'd open this up.
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Along this same line- what about the guy who looks like a pimp? You gonna deny him entrance? Or the drug dealer? You can't pick and choose at the door......unless your a trendy celebrity filled nightclub lol.
Brilliant!
Funny this topic comes up. Last Friday I was approached by single female in the club who told me she was 'private dancer', whatever the fuck that meant. She was not my type so said no thanks, but found it difficult to get rid of her.
Too many strip clubs seem to be doing business as if it was still the 1980s – times have changed – case in point all the stripper contractor-vs-employee lawsuits the SCs are losing.
The prostitutes in the club may have been an issue in certain seedy SCs back in the day; but we're not in the 1970s anymore and things have evolved – SCs need to evolved also.
About the only recourse, if one wants to fight and I would not do this with a strip club, but it is to go to the property owner or to mount a sidewalk picketing campaign.
But yes, unescorted women in strip clubs are usually hookers. Or at least that is how it used to be. Maybe not anymore.
SJG
I don't think your interpretation of the law is entirely correct. Night clubs, unlike restsurants, are not considered places of "public accommodation" and therefore, under certain circumstances can indeed refuse service.
and night clubs in the definition of public accommodations).
Of course it's discrimination to exclude a protected class. A strip club cannot arbitrarily deny entrance to a black female for example, but if the club can show they have a history of not allowing all single women because they may be prostitutes and thus are distruptive to business, it may not necessarily be illegal.
I'm not saying it's right. I have no problem with single women in the club. Maybe the courts to clarify it further.
I did have a female suggest or hint at sex back at her place but she never hinted at needing any money. In fact it was weird because she acted like any guy in a strip club must be desparate for sex or something. Then when I acted like I wasn't interested, she starts asking if I'm gay. I was thinking, first she acts like I must be desparate, then she insults me again by asking if I'm gay because I wasn't interested in fucking a total female stranger. Maybe she was a dancer from another club.
A strip club is a bad place to just walk up to a guy you don't know and try to get him to leave Especially if it's a wanna dance club. Guys are used to saying no right away. I've said no to dancers requests for dances probably thousands of times.
Now if she looked like taylor swift or similar, I might chance it and say ok. I think I would recognize her.
Title II of The Civil Rights Act of 1964 clearly outlines that places of entertainment are included as public accommodations. Some states extend the list of eligible businesses even more.
So when i get denied entrance to Curves tomorrow, I can file a discrimination lawsuit?
Not sure why a prostitute would come to a strip club except as a dancer. Sure it's full of horny men, but that's true most everywhere. The competition from a roomful of naked women would seem to discourage a prostitue from coming to a club to look for business.
I wish the protections against discrimination were greater, but they are not. It is rare that you hear about someone wining a discrimination suit. But for a business to decline someone is extremely common, even daily.
Just for the record, I had heard about this issue as it pertains to women in the San Gabriel Valley clubs. No, these clubs should not be discriminating, and arbitrarily refusing unescorted women is a legally prohibited form of discrimination. But to do anything about it you have to file a law suit and the burden of proof will be on you.
I wouldn't attack a strip club, because it is a special sort of rarity. But in other situations I have gotten retail businesses closed or evicted. That is easier than gaining justice in the civil courts.
And welcome back Mr. PhantomGeek. You have been missed.
SJG
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If you know of some discrimination lawsuits pertaining to retail environments I would very much like to know about them. I do try to follow such things.
As I see it, they are very rare.
SJG