Is it Ever Wrong For A Stripper to Lie?

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• Toplessdancer

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  20 years ago

  By davids "With almost no exceptions strippers are greedy, dishonest PLs with few morals. Don't talk to them just get dances" We are greedy YES WE ARE! want me to make a cheer about it? If making a fantasy is dishonest fine.... call me a liar I don't care what you think, and thats me being honest. So us dancing have fewer morals that the customers? I think not, is it more wrong for us to dance and be greedy liars, than cutomers who lie to us occaionally, LOTS of them have to sneak out to the strip clubs behind thier wives backs, and they lust over women that they do not know. Now you tell me who has fewer morals, I think it would be EVEN. So if we are PLs, then the people who love us are PLs too, and if you are patroning these places you are just as much of a PL with few morals as we are. lets not misconstrew this please! I love my customers, they put a roof over my families head, and food in our stomaches, and utilities that keep us warm, hydrated, clean, and fed. I personally am NOT calling you PLs or anything like that, I am just trying to make my point, since Davids seems to me a RL in the making, he sounds like a stripper hater, that still enjoys us when we are turning him on, and that makes absolutely no sense to me whatsoever! Love sara
• davids

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  20 years ago

  I don't like your analogy FONDL: In football it's more or less clear cut what the expected behaviour is. Everyone who starts football knows that tackling is allowed. Many of the new and naive customers to the club don't know to expect the amount of lying/misleading for the sake of money extraction that they run into. The strippers are preying on them to make money with their dishonesty. It would be fine if these customers knew to expect lying but many do not. It's that simple. And as for it being ok to lie about their personal lives: it is not. If they concerned about personal safety they can say they don't want to talk about it. The real reason they make up lies about their personal lives is to seem more attractive to their customers: fake common interests to "hook the fish". Again if they only did this to customers who knew to expect this it would be fine. But those are not the ones the strippers are preying on. With almost no exceptions strippers are greedy, dishonest PLs with few morals. Don't talk to them just get dances.
• FONDL

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  20 years ago

  "Dishonesty in a woman is something you never blame deeply." from "The Great Gatsby."
• Gingersnap

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  20 years ago

  Can I just ask a question to Makayla, you have not been dancing long have you? Becuase if you say you do not lie to your customers you are a damn liar just for saying that. I read some of your stuff where you say you love to rub them and breath on them, and tell them fantacies, but say its a big smelly biker you are dancing for, and they do NOT turn you on, while you are dancing and ACTING all into them. Aren't you infact lying right then? Oh and BTW if you say no, then I will say you are not a dancer at all. Not to mention, I am and OLD PRO, HA HA I do mean old too. I am freaking decrepid in this business, NO MAN IS GOING TO LET YOU DANCE FOR A HOBBY. BAH what a freaking Joke. Oh and not to mention, ever heard of a girl witha stage name nikki? and thats all I am going to say!
• johnnylingo

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  20 years ago

  True, but even in football there are rules, penalties, and "cheap shots" which can lead to some nasty confrontations. Most of the examples here are clear cut - lying about personal life is fine, while charging for a service that was not delivered is fraud. The example of offering a "real lap dance" and then giving cookie cutter one is more borderline and really comes down to personal ethics. I had one dancer who said she was "a lot of fun", then when we got back for the dance, implied that having "a lot of fun" with her was going to cost $60 for the dance. I should have just walked out right there, but instead offered $40, and ended up with a lame dance while she looked around for the next victim. I'm sure this falls within strip club rules, but whenever I feel I'm being hustled by a dancer, I just remember that experience and realize it's my money, and I'm going to be happier spending it on the ones that are honest and upfront.
• FONDL

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  20 years ago

  There's a very good thread on strip club ethics that was just started on StripperWeb. The original poster compared strip clubs to other special kinds of activities like sporting events where the rules of behavior are very different than society in general. For example, things that happen on every play in a football game would get you arrested anywhere else. He pointed out that strip clubs are a similar environment and normal rules of behavior don't apply. I think that's a very accurate observation.
• casualguy

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  20 years ago

  I believe that one shadowcat. If a customer has money, then he likely has some common sense. When I hear some strippers lying to me, it turns me off of them pretty fast. I'd rather hear some casual conversation about current events or something similiar. I don't see a need to make up stories unless the dancer knows a certain guy who likes that. I don't see any problem though with strippers lying to get rid of annoying customers. I may lie sometimes to get rid of annoying dancers who don't want to leave. A long time ago, a crazy or probably drunk girl in a regular bar finally made me lie to her, she kept insisting for some odd reason that I must be married. I kept telling her No. Finally after a few minutes just to get rid of her I said yes.
• FONDL

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  20 years ago

  Makayla, I disagree, I think it's more a matter of the extent of the fiction. For example, if a girl goes on and on about how her baby needs an operation and she can't afford it, when in fact she doesn't even have a baby, I think something like that is crossing the line. But to tell me a fictitious name, to give me a fake address or phone number to shut me up when I keep asking for one (which I don't do by the way), or even to fabricate interesting stories about her past to make for interesting and entertaining conversation, I think that's all within the rules of the game. She is, after all, a professional entertainer. (Do you believe all the stories a commedian tells? Do you consider him to be lying to you?) Would I prefer a dancer to be completely open and honest with me - yes. Do I think it's smart for her to do that - no.
• Yoda

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  20 years ago

  wow, I can't friggin' type this morning...sorry.
• Yoda

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  20 years ago

  Davids: All we are taking about is te reality of the situation. I see nothing wrong with your plan of attack eother. Strip clubs are all about having fun. This board is a venue where we all get to compare notes, thoughts and opinions. It's a great tool but ultimately we all do what works for us as individuals. It's you lap and your wallet.
• davids

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  20 years ago

  Blah! You guys keep saying shit don't stink but it does. I think the best strategy is: just get dances from the strippers don't talk to them.
• Yoda

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  20 years ago

  Davids: You are exactly right. They are lying to present better package to the customer. This includes lying instead of refusing to answer a question that the dancer may think is too personal in order to present herself as being more open to a customer than she wants to be. Like I said, they all do it to some degree. It's better to just understand the dynamic and accept it. You'll have a lot more fun that way.
• Mouse

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  20 years ago

  Davids, when a customer VOLUNTARILY walks into a strip club and BUYS lap dances from women, who would otherwise have nothing to do with him outside, he should have (or soon get) a clear idea that THE FLATTERY IS BULLSHIT (hustle); and, for this, he should hold no grudges against the WORKING GIRLS. This is true - as long as the fantasy hustle stays within the strip club! Unfortunately, some strippers will take their fantasy hustle outside the strip club, hoping to take their customer (now a victim) for big bucks, especially big bucks without the house tip-out tax. Some strippers will hustle outside, others know better not to. So far as I’m concerned, the "rules" are different outside the strip club, because outside the fantasy hustle becomes a scam – that is, fraud, illegal, and actionable. BUT, it is important to emphasize that strip clubs are voluntary – not mandatory – and, it’s up to the customer to get-a-grip on reality and look out for themselves. The alternative is to become a VICTIM. (It is often said that there are no victims just volunteers.) Don’t volunteer to become a victim.
• Jpac73

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  20 years ago

  I got a good lie which was used on me. Telling the customer "Are you ready for a real dance" after he has just gotten a lapdance from another dancer. As if to say hers will be better but when you get back there it is lame as hell.
• Yoda

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  20 years ago

  davids: I don't agree and this is why. She is there to get your business. In a sc environment conversation and a certain amount of fantasy weaving is part of how a girl gets a guys interest-and money. This may be as simple as saying you are single when you are not, saying you don't have any kids when you may have seven, or saying that you like short fat bald gys with missing teeth because a guy fitting that description happens to be sitting in front of you at that moment. I fully realize that most guys think this is bad behavior on a dancers part but it is the reality of making a living in a strip club. Yes, some women go too far and, as stated, I agree that it's wrong to lie about some things. Strip clubs aren't bible school.
• davids

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  20 years ago

  Ok, Yoda: don't try to cloud the real issues by bringing in this privacy BS then. The strippers are not lying to protect their privacy since they could just honestly say they don't wish to discuss their private lives. They lie instead of doing that because they think it would turn off their customers to say they don't want to disucss something as opposed to lying and saying they are single, this is their part time job, and they are in medical school. Hence they are lying to HUSTLE customers out of their money. They are greedy to the point that they let it affect their moarlity. It's that simple. Not sure why you worship these girls the way you do. I think many are PLs.
• davids

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  20 years ago

  Yoda, this is pretty simple, you know: if she wants to protect her privacy then she can then say that that information is personal. No need to lie.
• SuperDude

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  20 years ago

  Agreeing to sex and then lying about an STD. Same goes for guys.
• Yoda

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  20 years ago

  I think you need to define te difference between creating a fantasy or protecting your privacy and out and out lying. If a dancer lies about her name, where she lives or any aspect of her life outside of the club I honesty have no problem with that. This is an entertainer you are talking too. She has a right to her privacy and the fact that you are spending money on her does not entitle you to know all there is to know about her. On the other hand. If a dancer tells you and out and out lie to get your money I think thats dead wrong. Saying that she will meet you outside of the club and then backing off or not showing up would be an example.
• FONDL

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  20 years ago

  It is wrong for anyone, including a stripper, to make promises in exchange for money that she has no intention to keep. That's called fraud. It is wrong for anyone, including strippers, to say bad things about others that aren't true. That's called slander. Both are illegal and actionable. A lot of us would probably consider them immoral as well.
• FONDL

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  20 years ago

  I meant to add that giving medical advice without a license is also illegal in most if not all states.
• FONDL

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  20 years ago

  Davids, young people who are new to it don't know the rules of football either and have to learn. Strip clubs aren't any different, anyone who's been going to them for a long time understands what's going on. Frankly I'd much rather have a girl treat me really nice, even if it's only because it's her job, then go to a regular bar and have some chick with an attitude give me a bunch of shit. I enjoy the SC conversation, in fact for me it's the most emjoyable part. If I just wanted an hour of hot lap dances with a total stranger I'd hire an escort and have her do that for me - it would be a lot cheaper. I've gotten to know some strippers really well who were very nice people, in fact my closest friend is a girl who was a dancer when we first met. Yes some of them aren't very nice but that's just as true of the customers that they have to put up with. Find a nice dancer, get to know her and treat her well and I bet you have more fun. Just don't fall in love, that's not what SC's are for.
• Toplessdancer

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  20 years ago

  Makayla, I was going to say what GS said the first time I seen you post something here, but I kept it to myself. But hey now that she said something, what the hell. "I don't waste my time with customers I don't find attractive but I can find something attractive about most people " Yeah, and you make money how? I know damn well, there aren't enough "attractive" people in the club that you can "only" dance for them and still make a profit. "My stagename is Makayla, my real name is Mandy and if a customer asks my real name I either tell them if I'm comfortable with them or I tell them I don't feel comfortable answering that" I don't think she was saying your name was Nikki, re-read please. "? Is it possible to dance because you enjoy it? " Hey I like dancing, I have been doing it forever! If I hated it I would have gotten out years ago! But NO ONE dances For a Hobby. "Yes I dance one day a week as a hobby, but I also make a profit and intend to continue increasing my average profit" A lot of girls only work one day a week, but as a hobby, Nah... I don't believe it ". I don't need to lie to customers to convince them to get dances from me. My husband loves that I dance and it's not because of the money. He loves me doing things I enjoy and expressing my sensuality (and he gets the benefits when I get home). First off, he would be a pussy if he didn't tell you no, to getting yourself turned on by other guys, WAKE UP WE'RE NOT BUYING IT! he gets the benefits when you get home huh, so he likes the fact you get turned on by lots of other men, so you will give him some? OK lets here another one... too funny "And I certainly don't need to waste my time explaining myself to a dancer online who I've never met, never seen and don't even know. Nice to meet you too." Then why did you, and you really come off soooo defensive, that makes you sound like a bigger fake. Here's a tip, make sure there are no seasoned strippers (because no "dancer" in the club calls herself a dancer, we know we are strippers) posting on the same board, so you won't get called out again. You don't have to be ashamed to be a customer. Female customers are welcome here too! Love sara
• FONDL

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  20 years ago

  I agree with Yoda (as usual.) Most of the ladies develop a patter, just like any other type of entertainer does. They use what they've learned works for them, what they've found that the customer wants to hear. Many have developed a fictitious background including their fake name because in their experience that works better than just telling the customer that they won't discuss their private life. Many will even confide to you their "real" name, which is often another fake name they use. To them it's a game and they fully expect the customer to realize it for what it is. That's just how strip clubs and strippers work. If you have a problem with that, don't go. Or try to find a new girl who hasn't learned how to do all this yet. I've had good luck with new girls being more honest and open than the seasoned ones. Or develop a close relationship with a regular - sometimes after you've earned their trust they will drop the bullshit for you. But it takes a long time and a lot of money to get there.