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Emotional Intimacy With 'Hookers'?

san_jose_guy

money was invented for handing to women, but buying dances is a chump's game

Starting on Thanksgiving I've been doing some AMP sessions. In part it is to get back into what I used to do heavily. And after all, I am still suffering from Post Marital Stress Disorder. But I also want to go beyond my previous involvement, and try to maintain contact with the women and make myself into an explicit regular.

Now the subject of making them into real girlfriends has been raised here on TUSCL, and it was raised in some of the sessions. But it did not start with me.

"I am not your girlfriend ... yet."

"No, you are not my girlfriend ... yet."

JOC, Year of the Ram
https://www.tuscl.net/postread.php?PID=3…

Now I've not even paid attention to @tumblingdice before. I will start though.

But @IME says, "That may be one of the most pathetic stories ever written here."

And, "Sorry SJG i don't by strippers trinkets or ask them for emotional intimacy. You are a delusional kook of the highest order. Get a girlfriend if you want that, they are just using you as a cash machine whether you can recognize or not. "

So do other people ask their women in P4P environments for emotional intimacy? Or maybe a better way to put it is, do other people try to share emotional intimacy with their women in P4P environments?

I see that the richest and most powerful men in all history have had mistresses, courtesans, geishas, and concubines, whom they shared emotional intimacies with. Now I don't have anything like the wealth and power that these men have had ... yet. But I have very high aspirations.

These men didn't call their women 'hookers' and 'whores' like so many on TUSCL seem to like to. But they did share emotional intimacies with them.

Lola Montez created such a scandal with King Ludwig I of Bavaria that he ended up having to abdicate. When the Japanese Admiral Yamamoto spent over a year penned up on a Pacific Island with his flagship, he spent his days writing letters to his favorite geisha.

And in fact, it has often been the P4P women who have had a greater understanding of the affairs of men, as opposed to only domestic affairs. Those who make for good courtesans are usually blessed with both brains and beauty.

In the Escorts section of the SF Red Book, there were scores of white women who served in this sort of a capacity for those who were willing to pay their fees. If compared to current strippers most of them, though still nice looking, would have been judged as too old. But they still seemed to be doing well and getting good reviews. It must be that they were able to provide emotional and intellectual companionship to their well off clients. There would be physical sex, but there must have also been more to it.

And then many months ago, replying to JS69 about his plans to go on some sort of an outing with one of his strippers, I spoke of one woman I had been friendly with who would best be described as a Retired Hong Kong Courtesan. She explained to me how it had worked. Various businessmen she knew would text her with an invitation to accompany them on out of the country trips. Of course they wanted her to accompany them, and not their wives. They would explain the itinerary, and also how much money they would pay her. She would amuse herself during the daytime, and then spend the night time making her guy feel good in bed.

And then also, she would be clued in on corrupt deals where companies were in bed with the government and so their stock was guaranteed to rise.

The reason she was in the US was that she was now too old to do such work anymore. So she was just trying to get in a few more years in our less competitive market by doing GFE sessions in RedBook AAMPs.

But isn't all of this guys looking for emotional intimacy, from a P4P woman instead of from their wives or girlfriends?

And then as JS69 posts about his exploits with his Dream Stripper, isn't that a case of a guy looking for emotional intimacy?

I've posted before about how years ago AMP girls would be inviting me to start doing sessions with them in their own homes. One of them specifically indicated that she wanted me to be seeing her exclusively because, "I'm really scared of diseases", meaning that it would be BBFS, and making it further clear that she wanted me to be a long term regular.

Now most of the AMP girls are not really so professionalized as to try and set things like this up. And I didn't accept these sorts of offers. But I could see back then that the women who were making these sorts of offers tended to be those blessed with both brains and beauty. And oh man, the type of session they had given me in the AMP room was definitely the type which conveyed their seriousness about being a regular partner to me.

I remember this early Brigitte Bardot film.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0049189/?ref…

She is a young woman, a war orphan. He is a middle aged power broker and expert womanizer. He is building a casino at St. Tropez. But he has got his eye on her as his next mistress. As explained, he knows that sometimes this will entail giving her diamonds and furs, and sometimes a car and an allowance, and sometimes even a house in the country.

She likes him and she is interested in him. But she still insists that it be on her terms instead of on his terms. She isn't jaded about marriage and 'true love' ... yet.

He buys her a plastic toy MBZ convertible. He hands it too her and she looks at it. And he says, "You could have a car." He is taunting her by treating her like a child.

Finally it is decided that she is getting married to a local young man. The rich guy thinks this is great, because he knows it won't take too long before she is completely frustrated and then finally ready to do it on his terms. So he stays completely out of the way so that she can see for herself how unworkable such arrangements are.

Now @Gawker has written, "SJG - wtf? Are you seriously trying to "convert" massage whores into girl friends? Or are you spending $100's to eventually get a freebie? Your endless diatribe makes me question just what it is you're trying to do."

https://www.tuscl.net/postread.php?PID=3…

I'm not trying to convert any of them into civilian girlfriends ... yet.

But most of the time that is what they want, and they do make enough indirect communications to make this clear.

Right now I am trying to make myself into a regular for some of them.

There have been 9 of them from Thanksgiving.

2 seem to have left town, for LA, and I have no way of contacting them.

1 seems to have retired.

1 I did not actually session with, as they fumbled it and so I got a refund. But I may still session with her or with another from her shop.

1 Seems to be the Boss, and she sees her role as steering guys to her young hotties, like Blue Y.. So I have accepted this.

But I will still keep eyes and ears open and still be open to communicating with all of the above.

So this leaves 4 left, who I am juggling.

2 of these 4, HA and Blue Y., I consider suspended. But I am trying to communicate with them such that this suspension can be lifted. I want to hear something from them which conveys that they are intent on a better delivery. Otherwise I am just going to keep stringing them along.

Of the final 2, JOC and L/J, they are cleared and I have marked my calendar with the dates for their next sessions. I have found that with women, unless you are in daily contact with them, you have to do it by the calendar and commit to dates instead of letting the lunar cycle get away from you.

I am going to try and keep seeing them, once per moon, for a long time. I am going to try and keep juggling as many of them as possible, but then their will be practical limits on how many sessions I want to be paying the cost of per moon. But as you can see, from 9, only 2 are actually slated for sessions during this moon.

Trying to explicitly be a regular and to be seeing them on something of a schedule is going further with AMP girls than I have ever gone before. And as such, it does mean the establishment of emotional intimacy. This is as far as I am going to go ... for right now.

Lopaw has posted of AMPs that the 'intimacy level' is not high enough. I agree with this fully, and this is why for me it has always been a crap shoot. Lots of guys just want Happy Ending. And I gather that lots of guys, in how they talk to them, are treating them like 'hookers'.

But then on the other hand, I've been DFKing pretty Asian massage girls, from long before GFE was ever invented.

So in selecting them carefully and in bringing them carefully selected 'trinkets', I am already trying to increase the intimacy level. I really am selecting the girls carefully. It is not just based on looks. And it could never be done from just photographs. And I am extending myself quite far in letting them get to know me. This is why I am hearing all sorts of things about their lives too, most of which is probably true.

I am trying to get from AMPs the level of intimacy which was usually reserved for Red Book AAMPs.

In AAMPs there is less potential for problems with LE. There were also extremely detailed and explicit reviews, and the women were highly coached. But there was no window shopping. And lots of them really spoke no English, were too old, or were just from such a very different kind of a world that it would be hard to relate to them.

So by being a regular and by picking carefully at AMPs, and by being good to them, I am seeking to remedy the problem Lopaw highlighted and get a higher 'intimacy level'.

I have given consideration to Mr. Rick Dugan and his SYSTEM. It seems to me that what he is looking for is really more of a escort session. He is not very interested in what is specifically offered inside of the strip club, not really his 'gig'.

For me, I love sitting at the stage and horsing around with strippers by tipping them, even if it is only visual and verbal.

I remember Mr. Dugan posting about one of the last times he called an escort. He explains that he had taken to staking out the hotel lobbies, and observing who she might arrive with, before making his final decision on whether or not to go thru with the session.

So yes, I do understand this. I understand why he would rather go to a strip club and try to set up such a session, instead of just calling the number on an ad. Window shopping and some preliminary fraternizing is always better.

So this is why I am now using AMPs, instead of AAMPs or Escorts, even though AMPs generally do have a lower 'intimacy level'. But I am taking steps to try and raise this 'intimacy level' so that it is on par with AAMPs and Escorts.

This is as far as I am going ... for right now.

But in general I have found that if I am getting along with an AMP girl or a Stripper, she will make it clear that she is interested in outside and off the clock contact. It is just that when women flirt it is usually indirect. They want the guy to respond, but to still believe that he was the one who originated it.

So in the future I will be converting any I am still seeing, plus any new ones and also strippers and lots of others, into civilian girlfriends. It is not possible to be spending time with any of them and to not be wanting to do this.

so the real issue is, then what? Well I do have a plan, and I will have to be explaining it later.

If you are spending time with a woman and being open about yourself and if you are listening to her and being sensitive to her, then you are setting up emotional intimacy. That you are paying her does not make this any less so. It even tends to make it more so. The exception to this is when you are intentionally putting up an emotional barrier by treating her like a 'hooker'.

SJG

Fool For Your Loving (ft. Gabriela Guncikova)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mL2XTrxu…