I was recently at a club and a dancer basically told me I was obligated to tip her. In Miami, after the dancers get off the stage, they walk around and do what we call a "tipwalk". They go up to all the male customers and say "Can I get a tip for my dance?". I have some set rules about who I tip. Basically any chick that I don't find attractive, I'm not going to tip. I also give preference to girls who actually dance, not just saunter around the pole. Call me shallow or whatever, but giving an ugly girl money just doesn't make sense to me. So anyway, this dancer tried to tell me that the way that it works is that she dances, and then afterwards I'm supposed to tip her, at least $1, because, after all, it's just a $1. I had just sat down and maybe saw the last 30 seconds of her dance, which didn't matter to her. I told her that I was not going to debate with her over my money, and that I was sure there were plenty of other customers in the club who would be more than happy to tip her.
Bottom line, these bitches are not entitled to your money. What are they doing for you? I hate the "tipwalk" because I'm forced to interact with some dancers who I personally have zero interest in and don't want to tip, then we have to go down the awkward path of me declining to tip them. Most take it graciously and accept whatever excuse you give them and keep it moving, but some will get an attitude. If she needs your $1 that bad, then she needs to do some hard introspection on where she is in life.
The longer I live the more I accept that fact that often times one cannot assume that logic has any place when dealing w/ most women – and when it comes to strippers – this issue is exponentially worse.
Most strippers seem to see it as the custy is looking for free or getting a free show; so he should pay.
To me – I don’t pay for anything I did not ask for; or want – I did not make you go on stage and dance – if the club makes you then the club should pay you or take it up w/ the club – not the custy.
If I ask you to do something for me (lap-dance; table-dance; or even get up on an empty stage for me) – then yeah – I’ll pay – o/w your sorry ass is forcing me to buy/pay for something I did not ask for or want.
I have not experienced the true tip walk but I have heard enough about them to know that I wouldn't like them. The Goldrush in Atlanta has a similar deal. The dancers dance on the bar top and stop in front of ever customer sitting there expecting a tip They can make 2 or 3 rounds of the bar during a typical song. Who wants to chuck out 2 or 3 bucks every 3 minutes to some fuglie that has no business taking her clothes off.
I haven't experienced this myself---where they try to make it seem like you're obligated to tip them--but I have heard of it a few times.
I don't tip anyone I don't want to and I normally don't give anything extra besides the cost of the dance I'm buying. However, the last dance I got in North Carolina, the girl really deserved a tip. She was excellent. But I sorta forgot to tip her because I'm not accustomed to tipping after lap dances
There's only a couple places in Louisville where they do this more than occasionally. If a firm "no thank you" doesn't work, "fuck off bitch" nearly always does.
It falls under a more general rule: Salespeople will do or say whatever they think will maximize the money they get from you without getting fired or jailed.
I'd just say "sorry, your not my type, I only have enough money to spend on the girls who are my type". If she keeps badgering, you say "you should get your money from a guy that you're the right type for?". If she still won't go away, then you say "if you're nobody's type, this isn't the right job for you". Sometimes they'll ask what your type is. I say "well it's my little head who decided who's my type, and he's never explained it to me".
As the OP may attest – the Miami tip-walk in some clubs is a tip-walk on steroids – dancers swarm on PLs like bees – in many Miami clubs not only is a girl getting off-stage every 3 minutes or so after a song and then doing a tip-walk; but you have other dancers coming up to PLs asking for a tip pretending, or making the PL think, they just got off stage – it is not unusual on a busy night in a Miami club to be approached 4 or 5 times during one song w/ a bitch asking for a tip - and that is when it gets beyond annoying.
I hate the stupid tip walk as much as everyone else. It's a stupid way to run a club and pisses me off to some degree every time I encounter it. However, if that's how the club operates, then you are obligated to tip each girl at least $1. If you don't like how the club operates then do what I do -- don't go to that club. It's no different than a club that requires a minimum drink order. Either order the minimum or vote with your wallet and go elsewhere.
If every club in your city has the stupid tip walk, then either you're going to travel or give each girl a dollar. Nobody ever said life was fair, and if $1 to each dancer is an economic burden to you then you have no business being in a strip club.
As for the abusive practices in Miami that Papi describes I haven't experienced those clubs so I can't comment on them. I do note however that Tootsies is a good Miami club that doesn't have any sort of tip walk unless you are sitting at the stage. So there are almost always alternatives if you don't like how a particular club is managed. Strip clubs are like everything else in life -- a mixture of good and bad which we have to constantly reevaluate to decide where we are going to spend our money.
In other words, it's not worth the hassle of arguing with the ugly or lazy girls t explain to them that they don't deserve a dollar. That sort of shit completely destroys the mood. I just go somewhere else if I can't stomach giving them their stupid dollar tip.
In the Miami clubs one is not obligated to tip; although many a dancer will make you feel so – and I’ve never heard anyone getting thrown out for not tipping – and the club most likely cant do this.
But it does get annoying and many a dancer will give you the stink eye just b/c you don’t want to be a cash machine.
Good for you standing your ground, I would have done the same thing and share your opinion. Another thing they do that is equally annoying is when they invite themselves to sit down and talk and then when you decline a dance they ask you for a tip for their time. Sheesh.
The tip walk is a fact of life in some areas. The worst I have ever seen it is in Milwaukee. The girls will hit every table and bar seat for a tip after their sets and, in some cases, other girls will pretend that they just got off some remote stage even though they never danced. It seems like some chick is coming up to you every three minutes, even when you are talking to another girl. Now you can certainly stand your ground, but that gets kinda' awkward, especially over a buck. Many girls will give at least a titty flash while they are asking, so I suppose there is some value, but I've handed more than a few bucks to some girls who i would otherwise never pay for anything.
Similar situation in the clubs in Queens. In most Queens clubs, the stages are inside the bars. If you sit at the bar, you are guaranteed to have anywhere from 2 to 6 girls line up for a tip from you after each set. Again, you can refuse, but having all of those awkward moments kinda' detracts from the entertainment value.
I haven't experienced this, but I would definitely be uncomfortable in that setting. I'm a very nice guy (some people say too nice), it's hard for me to flat out tell a girl I don't want a dance from her (I usually just say maybe later). Whenever a stripper asks to sit and talk with me, I always say yes even if she's not my type. With this tipwalk thing, I could see myself tipping a bunch of girls I don't want to tip.
I always thought anyone who made a living off of tips was supposed to earn the tips by providing excellent service. If a stripper puts on a good show I will give her a nice tip even if she is not my type. If a stripper is up on stage and barely even trying to give a good show I won't tip her even if she is the hottest girl in the club (unless I know she gives a better lapdance that I am planning to partake in).
I was taken aback when I first encountered this in Miami clubs. The dancers pay $x to the club to dance on stage. I may be wrong but, seems to me the business model is that the stage dance is advertisement and enticement for private dances later. If the performer impresses me with her beauty, her dancing or pole skills or the attention she gives to me while she is on stage, I will tip her. It used to REALLY tic me off and I told more than one to piss off when they came around afterward on the tip walk even though I already tipped 2 to 10 on stage. Now, there were some clubs in which the girls on the tip walk would give a mini lapper and expect a tip after they came off stage. No problem with that at all. That was fun.
No tip walks in Detroit. However, I like to sit right by the stage, and sometimes a stripper dancing near me will demand a tip. I ignore such demands. I tip the dancers I want to tip (usually those I want to take to VIP).
As seems to be universal, I'm not a top walk fan either. I do appreciate the Tootsies technique, which resembles a tip walk. Basically, the dancers do a tip walk in a designated area right around the stage. If you're in that area, you're expected to tip, if you aren't then you aren't. The same approach was used at other clubs, like Cheetah before that chick kicked a dude in his head. I think it offers a reasonable balance.
I generally avoid the clubs with obnoxious tip walks, but occasionally find myself there for one reason or another. Usually, its worth a buck to avoid the arguments but there are times where I refuse to tip a particular dancer or two. Generally, I'm willing to cough up a buck to any chick I'd actually want to suck me, so I've never used you're response gmd; I have however used a few similar variants: "You're supposed to be hot" and "You're supposed to *dance*" are pretty frequent. At the nude clubs where dancers don't always get nude I'll throw out the "You're supposed to get naked." Usually it pisses of the girl I say it to, often times very much so. At the same time, I've had dudes overhear the interaction and buy me drinks. Occasionally, another stripper will feel the same way and come over to offer her support too.
Tip walks are the norm in San diego. On a busy night the dancers rarely circle the whole room, if she collects from ten guys odds are one will want a dance. If there's three customers I consider it a pity tip unless she legitimately pissed me off for some reason.
The better clubs have areas away from stage that are off limits for tip walking .
I've been to several clubs with tip walks, but I've never had a dancer make a scene if I said that I had just gotten there and didn't see her dance. I usually ignore the fact that she was standing beside me until it becomes uncomfortably awkward for her and she walks away.
I agree with Papi's first statement. The easiest thing to do even if you have to stand is don't approach the bar unless you WANT to tip or requesting a dancing stripper to come to you after her stage.
Gallaghers is like that and I simply don't sit at the bar when I don't want to tip. Problem with that is that since I'm young they assume I'm just there to watch the stage and be cheap and I never get approached due to that. You older gentlemen just don't approach the bar, you'll still get the opportunity to chat it up with your girl of the night and not waste money uselessly tipping.
This happened in almost every strip club that I had went to in San Diego back when I was stationed there and I hated it (the only exception was Les Girls although that club isn't a traditional strip club to begin with). During the mandatory tipwalk, I would always hide in the men's restroom or stepped outdoors to pretend to check my text messages since cell phone usage is prohibited on the floor inside many of those clubs.
At Fantasies in Baltimore these days the girl (or girls) does a tip walk topless around, actually on top of, the wide bar, giving all a close-up of the boobs. Anyone not sitting at the bar is not approached. The girls seem to keep pretty good track of who has been at the bar and who has just arrived. New arrivals are also not tapped.
My personal feeling is that any girl willing to take off all her clothes on stage for my benefit deserves at least a buck and probably two for a two-song set. Girls who I have a relationship with or have provided a great show get $3. My ATF gets $4. Overall, this costs me about $20/hour - not a lot for the good will that it generates! BTW, there is no opportunity for stage tipping at this club so the tip walk is essential to the dancers' income.
This is a good topic. When I'm on stage I look around and try to see who I appeal to. I try to avoid the guys that don't seem interested. The only time I ask for a tip is if a guy grabs me and then doesn't tip. I think that takes a lot of nerve.
In Sunnyvale there were 3 bikini bars. At two of them they did this, "tips round". Everyone is expected to give her $1.
What it means is that it is more expensive just to hang out there.
One of them, actually my favorite, is not closed.
The third one, the Brass Rail, never did this.
I prefer to be giving my money to the girl I want to fraternize with, and not to the others who I probably will not even be watching.
But the girls need to make money or they can't be there. And the club owners really don't have much of a whip to crack, not when it is hard to make money.
Also, these are no touching clubs, so the girls can't do most of the things they might do to make money in other clubs.
Several years ago, at a club in Indianapolis, I got three lap dances from a very cute young girl. They were three of the most boring dances I've ever had, too. It probably would've helped a lot if she actually paid attention to me and not the other dancers, the other customers, and probably the aquarium.
At the end, she said that it was $20 per dance plus tip, so I handed her three twenties.
"It's $20 per dance PLUS tip!"
I shrugged and pointed out that I had just given her $60. Mind you, I paid the previous dancers -- who did a helluva lot better job -- $60 for three dances and she didn't make any issue of it.
"NO! You don't understand! It's $20 PLUS TIP!"
"And I gave you $60."
Then she started getting into hysterics, almost to the point of crying. She also got the attention of everyone in the lap-dance area, probably on every side of the aquarium. I shrugged, threw up my hands, and left. I didn't go back to that club for five or six years because of that.
Yeah, weird stuff happens with all the personalities in strip clubs.
My basic position has always been that letting a girl 'sell' you dances is a chump's position.
Far better if you can be the one driving it. What this means is that you do much more of your fraternizing with the girls in the front room. You pass out money, and the girls don't have to cut this with the house. The smart girls will play along with you. And then when you feel that you are ready, you invite the girl into the VIP room and then escalate. She isn't performing a service for you or on you, she is just giving it up and letting you have your way with her. This way you've taken it out of any strict fee for service relationship. The money is just a way of being friendly and generous.
But still, even understanding this, SC's are really expensive experiences. If one is not able to be just passing out $, it is hard and it could be demoralizing.
This is part of why when it became known that under Terrance Hallinan, during the 90's in SF, that some of the SC were going FS, I decided to sit it out. I didn't see that there would be the quality of experience that one can get in AMPs, and I also saw that the cost would be higher and that there would be new negative aspects to it.
I do though think that these problems can be over come, if instead of talking about 'extras', we look at what things interfere with strip clubs offering good escort grade GFE-FS, and then accept nothing less.
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To me – I don’t pay for anything I did not ask for; or want – I did not make you go on stage and dance – if the club makes you then the club should pay you or take it up w/ the club – not the custy.
If I ask you to do something for me (lap-dance; table-dance; or even get up on an empty stage for me) – then yeah – I’ll pay – o/w your sorry ass is forcing me to buy/pay for something I did not ask for or want.
That is one of the reasons I no longer go there.
I haven't experienced this myself---where they try to make it seem like you're obligated to tip them--but I have heard of it a few times.
I don't tip anyone I don't want to and I normally don't give anything extra besides the cost of the dance I'm buying. However, the last dance I got in North Carolina, the girl really deserved a tip. She was excellent. But I sorta forgot to tip her because I'm not accustomed to tipping after lap dances
I'd just say "sorry, your not my type, I only have enough money to spend on the girls who are my type". If she keeps badgering, you say "you should get your money from a guy that you're the right type for?". If she still won't go away, then you say "if you're nobody's type, this isn't the right job for you". Sometimes they'll ask what your type is. I say "well it's my little head who decided who's my type, and he's never explained it to me".
If every club in your city has the stupid tip walk, then either you're going to travel or give each girl a dollar. Nobody ever said life was fair, and if $1 to each dancer is an economic burden to you then you have no business being in a strip club.
As for the abusive practices in Miami that Papi describes I haven't experienced those clubs so I can't comment on them. I do note however that Tootsies is a good Miami club that doesn't have any sort of tip walk unless you are sitting at the stage. So there are almost always alternatives if you don't like how a particular club is managed. Strip clubs are like everything else in life -- a mixture of good and bad which we have to constantly reevaluate to decide where we are going to spend our money.
But it does get annoying and many a dancer will give you the stink eye just b/c you don’t want to be a cash machine.
Similar situation in the clubs in Queens. In most Queens clubs, the stages are inside the bars. If you sit at the bar, you are guaranteed to have anywhere from 2 to 6 girls line up for a tip from you after each set. Again, you can refuse, but having all of those awkward moments kinda' detracts from the entertainment value.
I generally avoid the clubs with obnoxious tip walks, but occasionally find myself there for one reason or another. Usually, its worth a buck to avoid the arguments but there are times where I refuse to tip a particular dancer or two. Generally, I'm willing to cough up a buck to any chick I'd actually want to suck me, so I've never used you're response gmd; I have however used a few similar variants: "You're supposed to be hot" and "You're supposed to *dance*" are pretty frequent. At the nude clubs where dancers don't always get nude I'll throw out the "You're supposed to get naked." Usually it pisses of the girl I say it to, often times very much so. At the same time, I've had dudes overhear the interaction and buy me drinks. Occasionally, another stripper will feel the same way and come over to offer her support too.
The better clubs have areas away from stage that are off limits for tip walking .
My personal feeling is that any girl willing to take off all her clothes on stage for my benefit deserves at least a buck and probably two for a two-song set. Girls who I have a relationship with or have provided a great show get $3. My ATF gets $4. Overall, this costs me about $20/hour - not a lot for the good will that it generates! BTW, there is no opportunity for stage tipping at this club so the tip walk is essential to the dancers' income.
What it means is that it is more expensive just to hang out there.
One of them, actually my favorite, is not closed.
The third one, the Brass Rail, never did this.
I prefer to be giving my money to the girl I want to fraternize with, and not to the others who I probably will not even be watching.
But the girls need to make money or they can't be there. And the club owners really don't have much of a whip to crack, not when it is hard to make money.
Also, these are no touching clubs, so the girls can't do most of the things they might do to make money in other clubs.
SJG
At the end, she said that it was $20 per dance plus tip, so I handed her three twenties.
"It's $20 per dance PLUS tip!"
I shrugged and pointed out that I had just given her $60. Mind you, I paid the previous dancers -- who did a helluva lot better job -- $60 for three dances and she didn't make any issue of it.
"NO! You don't understand! It's $20 PLUS TIP!"
"And I gave you $60."
Then she started getting into hysterics, almost to the point of crying. She also got the attention of everyone in the lap-dance area, probably on every side of the aquarium. I shrugged, threw up my hands, and left. I didn't go back to that club for five or six years because of that.
My basic position has always been that letting a girl 'sell' you dances is a chump's position.
Far better if you can be the one driving it. What this means is that you do much more of your fraternizing with the girls in the front room. You pass out money, and the girls don't have to cut this with the house. The smart girls will play along with you. And then when you feel that you are ready, you invite the girl into the VIP room and then escalate. She isn't performing a service for you or on you, she is just giving it up and letting you have your way with her. This way you've taken it out of any strict fee for service relationship. The money is just a way of being friendly and generous.
But still, even understanding this, SC's are really expensive experiences. If one is not able to be just passing out $, it is hard and it could be demoralizing.
This is part of why when it became known that under Terrance Hallinan, during the 90's in SF, that some of the SC were going FS, I decided to sit it out. I didn't see that there would be the quality of experience that one can get in AMPs, and I also saw that the cost would be higher and that there would be new negative aspects to it.
I do though think that these problems can be over come, if instead of talking about 'extras', we look at what things interfere with strip clubs offering good escort grade GFE-FS, and then accept nothing less.
SJG
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