This has been discussed many times on TUSCL. Short explanation: Those of us who pursue OTC with dancers, over using an escorts, seem to do for two reasons, :
1. It affords the opportunity to get to know the dancer, first, and on turf where she's comfortable.
2. There is the thrill of the hunt, just to see if you can get a dancer to spend time with you out of the club.
My experiences with BP, even using something like USASG as a resource, have been...less than satisfactory. Even when they're real, they're generally not as...enthusiastic as a stripper. The *good* escorts, at least in this area, are $300+, and if I'm going to spend that, I'd rather spend some money in a strip club, and then take her out for half to two thirds that.
I've done both extensively and the BP girls I've met all require condoms, even for BJ's. My two favorite OTC strippers who I've known for 5 or 6 years both allow BBBJCIM and BBFS. This is an immense difference for me.
When I go the escort route, I use TER. BP & CL are too undependable & full of ROB's with fake pictures and bogus claims. TER may be more expensive, but the girls are screened and reviewed and you know exactly what you're getting.
Yeah if you use TER regularly, you are a serious monger. You can sign up for free, but you can't access the XXX reviews or send & receive PM's. All providers are big on screening prospective clients, and all clients need to be verified. It's more expensive, too. It's not so much for the casual hobbyist, but more for those willing to shell out a bit more $$$ for reviewed and reliable escorts.
I've gone through ads on Eros, Backpage, and Cityvibe, then cross-referenced them in TER and eroticmp. Even then though, a meeting can still be hit or miss. The last A-lister I met in the Twin Ciites had pretty much nothing but great reviews, even from some of the reviewers I trusted. I found both her massage and her to be incredibly boring though; it was a complete waste of time and money for me. At least when you're on the prowl in an SC, if it's a bad night, you can just walk away and cut your losses.
I've been thinking the same thing. Go to a SC and you pay maybe for parking, cover charge, drink and you are at $20. Now see a dancer you like and take her to the VIP and another $10. And to get her to give you a HJ and play with her tits $100. time in the VIP 10 to 15 minutes. Now I know providers on BP who give massages, will get naked, give you a massage, and a HJ for about $100. And you get about 30 to 60 minutes of there time. Something to think about. Tip for BP. if you see a provider advertising really often for a extended period of time. It says to me that they are not getting repeat business. Good providers can advertise less often because of repeat business.
I think bcs I am in a border town I get the bp with the best prices. The providers offer full service from 70-100 and although I have paid up to 400 I never go above 120 anymore, that covers 30 mins. I would say its been a great success 75% of the time. We have our regulars who consistently post and when they enjoy their work its even better. Its usually no foreplay which I don't like but in the end a finish is a finish...
Much easier to get conned, ripped off, attacked, whatever with BP. Not seeing the product is a big minus. Would you rent a car just from a picture at say Slimy Joe's Car Rental? And the chase!
There's a resource now called [view link] that pairs BP ads with TER reviews for you based off phone numbers and Google image searches. In my area, what you see is that maybe 1 in 15 girls have a review which, in my experience, is the only way to trust her pictures are real. LER also points out when it thinks a picture is fake, which is ... often.
Often times, the BP experiences I've had have been questionable at best, sending me to bad parts of town and giving me kinda crazy women. The club offers an excellent chance to preview the merchandise first and know you're getting what you're seeing rather than the high risk of false advertisement.
I've done both, and what I usually do is go to the club see what's happening, maybe have a drink then I contact a bp girl. I've found some awesome girls who are ex dancers and some awful bait and switch nasties. My tip is when you encounter a bait and switch, tell her you forgot your wallet in the car, then run like hell. I've done that before. I have met and verified a couple of go to honeys that are great for around 60-120$. I also would be hesitant to do anything unprotected with a dancer or escort. Not worth it.
@Deeb0Ne: The advice I've heard is when you get to the door, if she doesn't match the pictures, the proper response is "You're not the girl in the pictures, so I'm not the guy with the money."
I like the club atmosphere, and the extras in the back if they're available. But I agree that it's not as cost effective as a provider. I don't do BP but there's always plenty of options on Eccie. I also don't live far from Niagara Falls, so a hop across now and then livens things up.
Most recently, I was in Niagara to warm myself up at the Sundowner. Afterward I had the brilliant but not original idea to call an agency and ask for a girl who could include a fantasy lap dance during our time together. It worked out great - best of both worlds! She wore her club clothes, helped me find tunes on my laptop, and we went to town on the loveseat in my hotel room. It started off just like in the club, but then kept going and going. At some point it was clear that we had moved way beyond a dance and took the act into the bedroom.
It was great not worrying about counting songs or wondering what was on the menu. In the other direction, it was also better than the standard hop-right-into-bed escort experience. I felt like I had time to enjoy the view and get an extended tease time before the main event.
My biggest reason to use strip clubs over escorts is the ability to see what you're getting/verify in person, vs. just going off an ad, a picture (that may or may not be the actual girl) and a review.
That and the ability to have access to a variety all in a single night/a few hours in a single place.
Jman, a hundred bucks is about the going market rate in your part of the country? Wow. Over in the Twin Cities, it's $300-350. When I see ads for $100 or less there, I steer clear; those ladies are usually pimped out, working in quantity rather than quality, and/or have some of the worst reviews.
You wouldn't believe the quality of girls in El Paso for $100..granted I have once or twice tipped $20 and left without touching but a lot of girls told me that what they do here for $100 they charge triple just 8-10 hours East or West. I manage a hotel and the FBI came and raided once and said if the girls aren't underage or being held against their will then we don't care....
One thing that an SC offers that you can't find anywhere else is a section of girls, usually pretty good looking, and the potential to fraternize with them in an unstructured way before committing.
AAMPs and Escorts require you to commit before you have seen the girl.
AMPs, Lingerie Modeling, and Adult Entertainment may offer a selection. But you still have to commit before you can start fraternizing.
The greatest chances of phenomenal results occur when you can fraternize with the girl before selecting. And of course the best then is a front room make out session. Only an SC could really offer this. In an AMP it is a potential, but usually they will not go for anything like this. Maybe in San Francisco, maybe, but not where I live.
SJG
yes, I think Club_Goer has got it right, the opportunity to get to know the girl on neutral territory, and then the thrill of the chase. It is also just being able to pick the girl out of a selection of hotties. That goes a long way with her, than if you were just responding to an ad.
But I want to talk about how to get SC sex as good as escort sex:
[view link]
SJG
Also, letting the girl see that you are pursuing her, over and above other girls, has a big effect on her. Money alone does not buy mind blowing sex. Mostly all it buys is the opportunity to try with the girl. If you want mind blowing sex you have to get her into the mood. In the best SC's there are opportunities to do this. In AMPs and Lingerie Modelling, it is more difficult. With Escorts and AAMPs you really don't have this chance at all. Maybe the one exception is if the girl answers the booking phone herself, you can try by complimenting her on her pictures and telling her some about yourself. Other wise you have no chance until she meets you at the front door and you have already committed.
SC's have the potential to be really great. Far too often though this potential is wasted.
Again, talking about how not to waste this potential, with the example of the TJ Hong Kong Bar:
[view link]
SJG
SJG states, "But you still have to commit before you can start fraternizing." I don't speak from experience, but from what I've seen, the Nevada brothels work that way. A line up, pick a girl and fraternize. Now maybe you can't change girls, and that would be a minus.
Jman I suggest you write reviews on TER of the backpage girls you like. You should also encourage them to join [view link] and/or [view link] . Most women don't seem to last even a year in escorting, so it makes sense to help them earn enough to stay motivated, and to avoid scary or obnoxious clients.
Clubber,
What I mean by fraternize, is when you can start talking with her at length and when you can start getting physically intimate.
Of AMPs, AAMPs, Escorts, Lingerie Modeling, Adult Entertainment, Nevada Houses, and SC's, only SC's let you start this fraternizing before you have committed to a particular girl and paid the full sum for your session.
At an SC, you can follow the expertise of Jestrite50 and get extremely friendly in the front room, before committing to go further. At these other venues you can't do much before you fully commit.
Good news, some of these Nevada Houses ( Mustang Ranch and Dennis Hoff's place in Mound House ) have added their own SC's. So these should replace the old Wild Wild West parlors and the line up. So we will have to see and I would love to hear if someone has tried one of these places out.
SJG
Cuz all the backpage girls have diseases that make your dick fall off you retard. Geez your a retard. I jerk off in the bathroom after looking at girls. No disease. I am so smart
Clubber, I've been to both the Cherry Patch Ranch and the Mustang Ranch. Sure, there were line-ups where you got to choose the lady, but there really wasn't much in the way of fraternizing. At the Mustang, I got to see a line-up of maybe five women. I paid for a half hour and that's exactly what I got -- a half hour of "Wham, Bam, Thank You, Ma'am" sex, and then I was out the door.
I spent a bit more time at the Cherry Patch Ranch, three or four hours, for which my credit card didn't forgive me for a long time. The line-up was, maybe, three women (it's been over twenty years, so I don't remember exactly). There wasn't much fraternizing again, but a lot of fondling, a good chunk of that in the hot tub and on the massage table. When we took a break, another lady brought me a drink, just a can of Coke; she wanted a $200 tip. When I balked at that, stupidly holding my last $60 in sight, she grabbed it and (pretty much) ran. (Considering I was butt naked, I wasn't about to chase her through the place.)
Yeah, the Nevada ranches really aren't all that great, no matter their reputations.
My experience is you get more bang for your buck with OTC even though it's more of a hassle and it costs more. I'd rather have a girl I was already hot for and at least pretends to like me and pay up, than take a chance of a BP pro who is just waiting for me to leave.
PG,
I have no first hand information, so that's why I said, "I don't speak from experience...". I will assume that what they show on TV is mostly bogus, from your accounts.
jman, you sound very much like some of the guys who post on usasexguide. many of whom seem to view finding budget pussy as a holy mission. Rest assured that any guy who is a serious enough "monger" that he is posting her on a routine basis has likely sampled a variety of adult entertainment options. I know I have over the years and it would seem, based upon these posts, that many of the other participants in this thread have as well. We all have our different reasons, even though many of them probably overlap to varying degrees I'm sure, but ended up settling on clubs as an important source of p4p.
My reasons are as follows:
1. I can shop in person and see her before I commit;
2. The likelihood of a rip-off game by an established stripper, once she is in your room, is extremely low;
3. The strippers that I target are lower volume providers than f/t escorts;
4. There is virtually no risk of getting caught up in an LE sting; and
5. The strippers that I fuck are hotter than the vast majority of BP girls in my areas of concentration.
I used to dial girls from CL/BP listings years ago and I went through the same crap that all too many guys on places like usasexguide complain about. No thanks. The very last straw for me was when I dialed up a girl and, while I was scoping out the hotel lobby (which was a common tactic for me back then when I dialed up new girls), saw her enter the hotel accompanied by a guy. It was 2:00 am and the hotel lobby was dead, the bar and restaurants long since closed. I had no idea if he was a BF, her pimp, LE, or whatever, or what he planned on doing while the girl was with me, but I had no intention of finding out. After they finally realized that I wasn't answering my phone, they left and I vowed never to dial up some strange chick again.
So jman, enjoy chasing after all that high volume bargain pussy. You and your buddies on whatever site you post on can have fun with neat games like warning each other about LE activity, or exchanging intel about which girl does the grab and dash, looks much worse in person than in their pics, blah, blah, blah. I'll happily continue to pay up for the 9 who hasn't already had 10 dicks in her that day, isn't an undercover cop or isn't going to let her armed BF in the door when my pants are down around my ankles, etc..
It's funny that the guys in my area who post on usasexguide call any uber hot girl who posts on BP TGTBT (too good to be true). Well jman, almost every girl I fuck from a club would be considered TGTBT by these guys, because their expectation are just that low. ;)
@rickdugan: I agree with everything above. I like OTC encounters for the hotness of the girls, and I get enough free pussy that BP isn't a good value; at least it hasn't been for me. Ugly uninspired girls who don't really want to be having sex with you. And yes, OTC are low volume girls unless she's from an extras club so BB is not too risky. Especially if she fucks mainly older men.
Clubber, yeah, I saw that you mentioned not having any first-hand experience. I was just sharing some anecdotes, that's all. Something I did forget to mention was that both of those visits were in the middle of the afternoon -- in fact, I think both of them were on weekdays -- so evenings and weekends could well be different.
"It's funny that the guys in my area who post on usasexguide call any uber hot girl who posts on BP TGTBT (too good to be true). Well jman, almost every girl I fuck from a club would be considered TGTBT by these guys, because their expectation are just that low. ;)"
So funny, so true. Except that they even declare TGTBT when the girl isn't that hot, just looking tolerably presentable and not too messed up or strung out. Reminds me of those here who advise skipping over the hottest strippers because they can't possibly "try hard enough".
I used to do the backpage thing years and years ago... Then I discovered AMPs. Interestingly, AMPs are more reliable than backpage and sites like [view link] make it super easy to spend 5-10 minutes and find the closest AMP that will deliver.
With that being said, I've always done strip clubs and like that for the variety and the thrill of the chase. The AMPs are for when I need to get business taken care of.
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