Stripper Shit

You're gonna feel like an asshole when it just turns out she had a headache. :)

Micro D, perhaps. I guess a headache is not stripper shit since my wife has a headache every time I ask for sex and she never strips for anyone.

Basic qualifications for being a stripper:

1. Look reasonably good.
2. Not afraid to dance in front of people.

That's about it. Nowhere does it state you have to be prompt, reliable, hard working, intelligent, or anything else you might expect from a human being. They don't have to show up on time, or do anything their entire shift, have any skills, know anything, care about anything, etc.

And since being a stripper is considered by society to be only for sluts and whores, all strippers are fighting the knowledge that society sees them that way, and grapple with that in their own ways. And the job attracts only those women who are screwed up enough to be able to deal with that.

So stripper shit is the rule. It always will be the rule. And anyone who thinks their ATF is different is fooling himself.

Take what you can get without violence or abuse of any kind. Walk away when you can't take any more lies. Protect your emotions. Do not fall in love. Understand that strippers have no loyalty beyond $$$ and you can be outbid on that.

Oh, I've been in that situation before, right before I realized my CF will not be the person who I will spend time like a serious GF approaching a long relationship.

I would say, just like what happened to me, it caught me by surprise and I found myself stewing in a bad moment.

My reading on that one, she is probably not ready for you, yet. So you may have to grease it up a little more, which she will probably like because she gets money from it. Then she will tease you up with the idea of going out wherein you will get caught in there and from there she will play you like a banjo.

This is for sure, certainly for sure, if a dancer really likes you, she will tell you right away like "we could go out after work, I'll give you a private dance, I know a place we can go." And you will get laid that very night, six pack sure.

Going back to your story, sounds like she is not going to cross that line, yet. So, it is up to you if you are willing to play it long like keep spending money on her until she falls in love. I read it takes a year or two to even make her feel something for you. Might take two to four years to get her to bed, considering she is not a junkie or escort.

Why play that game if you generally like the in club entertainment she provides? One of these days she'll circle back to suggesting OTC again and you can tell her thanks but you are no longer "feeling it"!

"So, it is up to you if you are willing to play it long like keep spending money on her until she falls in love."

I'm going to hope that was intended as a joke. Really. Because the pathetic-ness of that is beyond comprehension.

Tell me you're not serious.

In defense of strippers I find that all young people (under 30 that is ) lack any sense of commitment. I blame it on technology because you can change plans on the fly if you can communicate. I was raised in a pre-cell phone et al: era and my word is my bond. Once I made plans in the day I could not change them easily as it would be hard to contact the parties. Strippers are probably worse at this than others but it is not unique to them. I date younger women who are not strippers (civilians) and plans are loose at best and can change in a moment if they get a better offer or are just running late because they are so fucking scattered. Generational politics are an interesting study but no fun when planning anything.

I love skiing more than anything. We just bought our passes. I have never met a dancer OTC in almost 40 years of this. Why? The first Sunday we ski the alarm will go off at 3:40 am Sunday and at 4:15 am I will be driving towards Vermont with my bisexual wife. Strippers stop being strippers when you let them into your real life. They belong in the club. Leave them there.

I know this makes me sound like an old fart, but it's absolutely true that young people can't commit to a plan worth a damn. They are constantly trolling social media for a better option than what they committed to. Strippers take this to an entirely new level.

What especially pissed me off here is she decided to cancel the night before the date, at around the same time she was texting me with details about the date. I know this because she was on the web site the next morning as working that night, which means she told them she would be at the club the night before.

But I found a dancer to make the little head happy last night so I'm over it. There's always another stripper to choose from.

LOL. In my experience, OTC prospects with strippers are influenced by a lot of variables, including (1) her general emotional state, including whether she gives a fuck about anything at that moment; (2) whether, and how much, she needs the money; and (3) whether she thinks that she has better upsides by doing something or someone else.

For those reasons, I plan OTC almost exclusively on a same day basis, often ITC with a negotiated OTC finish. I chuckle every time I read some guy come on here and complain about dancers who don't "meet their commitments" or "do what they say they will." LMAO. Unless you have some leverage, such as being an ongoing material contributor to her income or you are paying her a premium for OTC, you've got no leverage and she has very little reason not to bail. Shit, even if you are one of these things it is still far from a certainty.

In her case, she cared so little about how you would react that she didn't even bother trying to concoct a plausible excuse. She didn't "feel inspired" - LMAO. Ouch.

In any event, just another lesson learned. If I were you I wouldn't bother going to her club and playing games. In the end, it may just make you a target for ridicule. Just shake it off and find someone who wants your money. Water off a duck's back dude.

Good luck.

I just read your follow-up post. Dude, she cancelled a day in advance. That is a lot better than the last minute cancellations /r no show/no call bailouts that are all too common with strippers. By stripper standards that was actually quite courteous of her.

RD not sure how you schedule OTC on the same day you see the girl ITC. These girls work til 2-3 am and I'm too old to wait up until they are done. I guess I can see it happening during a daytime visit or if the club is real slow and she can leave early, but not in a typical evening.

I have found about a 50% flake out rate for dates with strippers over the years, even with ATF's. Escorts cost more but they never flake on you.

@rockstsr666: Re "never"

Nothing could be further from the truth.

John, I am in a similar position in that I can no longer stay up all night for OTC. A fair number of clubs that I frequent in the northeast have 1 am closing times during weekdays, which I can still manage. In most cases though, I need the girl to leave at least a little early. It works out in most places, especially on slow weekday nights. Most clubs will allow girls to leave early, though some charge some type of fine or fee for doing so.

Now in the rare instances in which I really want OTC with a girl who works in a late closing club and cannot leave early, I will plan next day OTC, though it is a crap shoot. I also end up having to pay a premium as they usually need to skip a shift or meet up on a day off. I do this once in a while, but I really need to like a girl a lot to go through the trouble.

@georgmicrodong: Well, if she's a $50 hooker you're right. But the really good looking and expensive ones seem pretty reliable.

Strippers are like roller coasters. They're a fun ride, memorable, and make for great stories. Just leave them at the amusement park.

You end up in a stripper's life, you might find out more about her than you expected. One thing to assume, stripper or civie gal, you ain't the only one. Good looking gals have options and we're one of many. Like the tile guy.

Stripper shit is just like any other shit that goes into a shit sandwich. The more bread you have, the less shit you have to eat but you are still going to have to eat some shit to get what you want.

To you guys who are/were married, you guys probably did not date a lot of hot civi girls. I met some nice ones but some were out of their minds. Acted like they were the Queen of Sheba, talked shit out of their ass, expected favor after favor. Liked to party. Took their tops off at parties. Stripper is a job description, not a subset of female.

@mikey - being married and dating hot civi girls is not incompatible, just expensive

^^^^ yes, I guess it is. I was thinking back when I was close to the same age as the hotties. Pretty wild and fun. AIDS dampened things a bit, tho.

mikeya, my wife was a hot civvie girl, as were some of the other girls that I dated, and they did none of those things. I did have fun with a few girls like that back in my early college days, but "date" isn't how I'd descriobe what i did with them. ;)

Now I agree that "stripper" is not a subset of females, but it draws from a subset of them. Young and hot are far from the only two traits common among strippers and other young women. Socio-economics, upbringing and other factors play a role in defining girls who are most likely to end up stripping. The very girls who think that they are the Queen of Sheba in real life would never dream of letting guys grope them for money. The strippers that I have gotten to know were actually introverts in public and seemed to lack a certain self confidence.

"'m going to hope that was intended as a joke. Really. Because the pathetic-ness of that is beyond comprehension. Tell me you're not serious."

Yeah, it was intended to make him laugh, though the sentiment was real for some time with this dancer known as B I was visiting regularly, thought I would get her to go out with me if I spend and buy dances from her. Turns out she was so good at it I never knew my situation was like perfect for her. So I backpedalled a little bit, started the no-contact protocol only to see her blow my text with "Wanna see me, I miss you so much" messages.

Compared to my CF who see me more than customer, she would ask me to wait outside the club so we could go out to eat or do something else, like get intimate.