A simple reminder.

Tiffany, I don't go very often for exactly that reason. She keeps saying she'd like to take it OTC but it hasn't happened yet and maybe never will because I can tell it makes her nervous, she says she's never done that before. So I don't know what's going to happen, but isn't the uncertainty part of the fun?

SC - Right on, sounds like good value for the fun. Like I said though, I don't think cost (or commute in your case) matters as long as you're having a great time. To me, the fun justifies the $$. If you're having a blast, who cares....that's all that matters. Regardless, I'll make sure to hit PP next time I'm through Columbia, likely this Fall. Hopefully we can throw back a few beers & enjoy the ladies.

FONDL - Wow, sounds like your Fav's club is quite pricey. Especially if you don't care for the environment. I would either go less often & spend more (so to have the great time you can buy) or just skip it all together. Any luck taking it OTC?

Guys:

When "our little hobby" stops being FUN, we will stop visiting websites to talk about the ITC/OTC dynamics of our ATF's and their respective inept club managers.

Isn't this website the closest thing we can come to, that resembles Fantasy Football? We ALL think that we can recruit the best talent, DJ much better music, while dressing and training the dancers to do something that we could never-ever do !! Do you know how many of you want to dress up your dancers in either "school-girl uniforms with ankle socks" vs "Over-the-knee-boots" with 7-inch heels? If this ain't fun and we ain't gettin' paid, why would we check these sites several times a week? I truly love an SC where the dancers and atmosphere are constantly evolving; while my faves are continously trying to keep me interested in them.

as someone who knows ATL very well, i can see both sides. For the most part, anyone looking for high mileage should avoid ATL like the plague. If you are looking for a chance to see good looking girls nude and have a couple of cocktails, ATL clubs can fit that bill. I am lucky. I have the opportunity to travel the SE and have experienced the pleasure Shadowcat finds on his trips to Columbia. I have had the chance to visit places like the Mons and Ybor. I have been to So FLA to places like Tootsies and Peek-a-boo. But I have also been to great clubs in places like Theodore AL, and Taylors SC. Strip clubs are fun. Some are just more fun that others

Shadowcat, that sounds like heaven. The club I got to charges $30 for a fully-clothed LD and a $150 per half hour for the cheapest of 3 VIP rooms, plus the girl expects a big tip in VIP because the house takes a big cut of the $150. It does include free drinks but of course you have to tip the waitress, and since she controls the timer you better tip her well. Beers are $7 at the bar, tiny dancer drinks are $10. So it's really easy to go through $300 fast. Lately when I go I just sit at the bar with my fav, have lunch and a couple of drinks, watch her dance on stage, tip her well and leave. The club is OK except for being very overpriced, it's a friendly atmosphere and probably the fanciest building I've ever seen for a SC, it's like a very exclusive super-classy private club, but that isn't very important to me, I'd rather have more ordinary surroundings and much lower prices. But at least contact is pretty good in the VIP rooms and nobody watches too closely. But the real reason I go is because my fav works there. Otherwise I'd go somewhere else, there are clubs I like better.

Shadowcat: prices are going up here in South Carolina so you may have to spend a little bit more. I just saw where a gallon of gas went from 2.05 to 2.07 in just a few days. :) We need to try to hold the line on price increases everywhere. It may now cost me an extra whopping twenty cents to get to a club now. :( sarcasm off :) I believe prices are lower here in general for most things which is good for me. I'll have to find out which hotel is charging only $50 a night, I think I've been getting ripped off when I travel.

FONDL - I see where you're coming from with the restaurant analogy. And when it comes to restaurants, of course I agree with you. I guess we just differ when it comes to strip clubs. Honestly, I can't say I go for the management, their attitude, or their level of greed. That stuff really doesn't matter to me a whole lot, and is not my deciding factor when it comes to clubs.

I really only go for the girls. That's it. As long as there's fun, attractive strippers to hang with I'm good to go. Sure, it's great if the mileage is high, the drinks are cheap and the staff is friendly. But I gotta say, all of that is pretty insignificant to me, given that I can see hot women naked and have a good time with one or two of them. And if I'm lucky, I might get to extend that good time OTC.
Bottom line for me - if at the end of the evening I had fun with a stripper I had fun at the club.

SC - Man, I think I may need to hit up your heaven on earth....it sounds like they do you right for pennies. If you're driving that far, spending money on gas, hotel, food, etc. and it's still only 1/10th the price of a VIP session, hell, I gotta follow your lead. Save me a seat at the bar.

Tiffany, I haven't missed your point at all. You're saying that if you go into a club with a positive attitude that you're going to have fun, you more likely will. I agree with you on that. But I think you've missed my point, which is that if the club is going to operate like it doesn't care about it's customers by overcharging and under delivering, why go there at all? Sure you can have fun at a place that's overpriced and doesn't deliver, but why should we patronize such places? Do you go to restaurants that are overpriced and have indifferent food and service? Neither do I.

I spend time in LA and find the clubs there way better than what I've seen in the Chicago area where I live. Once you've ben to a really great club it's hard to just settle. I even told one of my AFT here at home that I was done going to places in Chicago. Now I have had a chance o try Jimmy's out here and it's not bad. Clubs wanting $20 for an airdance, not rom my wallet you won't.

And FONDL hits the nail on the head. Even in LA a few clubs are starting to over charge. Guys out there are telling me they go to the club just to drink and hang out, but go to parlors for the real fun and to spend $$. They weren't saying they wanted more milage, but that the cost to fun ratio made AMPs more viable.

Can you believe I stopped getting laps in Chicago a year ago? My girl would sit no my lap and I would pay her because the lap offered no contact at all. She has since been fired and works at a no contact/no sitting with customers place. That means we don't see each other at the club any more.

FONDL - you've completely missed my point

Tiffany, I have to agree with Shadowcat on this one. I think Atlanta is one of the really shitty strip club towns in the US. The last half dozen times I visited there on business I never bothered to go to any clubs. I also think it's why the erotic massage business flourishes in Atlanta.

SC - To clarify, I think it's great that you have a total blast in Columbia. Everyone should have as great a time. It's a little far, but hell, it's worth the trip because you have a consistent kick ass night. Seems like the local laws there permit more mileage, and you have a few ATFs as well that add to the party. Good stuff.

I just think that your attitude in ATL is so negative that it ruins your chances of having a good time there or elsewhere. And therefore, I don't understand why you go out at all (to Crazy Horse, etc.) If you're gonna go out, you should at least try to have a blast. Otherwise, why bother?

Some clubs are better than others for varied reasons. Same goes for the strippers. But you'll never hear me bitching about naked women and beer....to me that's like a rich kid bitching about his trust fund. Get real.

You live around dozens of full bar/naked clubs in ATL, many of which are stocked with HOT friendly women who will service you in VIP, and you're complaining about it?? What about the dudes in po-dunk USA? Beer and titties is always good man, and you're completely surrounded by it. No need to act like a spoiled brat.

I'm not suggesting that ATL should replace your heaven on earth, it won't...I just think your attitude could use a reality check.

Yoda, you should have told me you were going to be in Philly, I could have shown you around. My favorite club in the area is Club Risque in Bristol, just north of the city. I don't think I've ever been to Signatures, but there are so many clubs in the area it's sometimes hard to remember which is which. Sounds like you had a layover at the airport. There is a decent club down near there but I don't recall the name, it's been too long.

This week I visited 2 new clubs about 3000 miles apart in both distance and attitude. On Monday night I visited a small smoky club in Philly called Signatures. Though some very attractive girls where dancing, they all seemed to be just going through the motions. The barmaid was attractive but overworked and very rushed and unfriendly, there where 2 drunken a-holes at the bar next to me who were not tipping and pissing all the dancers off. I had one beer, one air dance from a beautiful black dancer who sat with me for a while and I left disappointed.
Last night I visited Cheetahs in San Diego and was floored by the bevy of beautiful, friendly women. This club had something for every man's taste. The doorman, bouncers and waitresses where all friendly and attentive and the girls honestly seemed to enjoy being at work. I planned on having a drink or two and then going back to my hotel. I ended up staying for 3 hours and emptying my wallet on the girls on stage and 3 beautiful ladies in the LD area. I left with a huge smile on my face and stopped to compliment the manager on the way out.

When I’m home, I go to visit my favs and don’t think much about the club I’m in or the surroundings. When Traveling to a strange city, the atmosphere of a club is everything. It’s too bad more club owners don’t understand that.

Reave, you've got me confused with Shadowcat, I'm not from Atlanta. But it seems to me that many areas have the same problems. My biggest complaint is that in most clubs nobody laughs anymore. I agree with Tiffany, clubs should be a place to have fun, have a few drinks, have a few laughs - basically a party atmosphere where everyone, customers and dancers, are enjoying themselves, and prices are reasonable enough that everyone can. I haven't found a place that has that atmosphere in a very long time. Other than Brad's Pink Flamingo, are there any places like that left anymore?

Tiffany,
Don't be too hard on FONDL. I, too, have been to many clubs in the ATL area, and was overall unimpressed. I can fully understand why he takes the approach and attitude that he does.

Tiffany, I enjoy meeting attractive and intelligent girls, especially when they're scantily clad, and I enjoy lap dancing. What I dislike is how poorly managed many clubs are and how greedy many club managers and many strippers have become. And from the comments on this board and the reviews, I think a lot of other guys feel the same. If I could find a dancer I like who would take it outside the club and provide basically the same services as she does inside the club, I'd do it in a minute.

Tiffany -- I echo your sentiments. I started going to strip clubs in Chicago during the 80's when the "wise guys" from the area were running Vegas-style show clubs in the near west suburbs. You saw stage shows where aging burlesque-styled dancers were competing with the up&cumming hip-hop bump & grind dancers. Interesting period of transition.

A lot of these clubs had "back rooms" whereby you could purchase extras from hand jobs and BJ's to full service and charge it all on your Visa and Mastercards. This was, of course, prior to HIV/Aids. You might've been afraid of a dose of something, but not death.

In Chicago, you had clubs near O'Hare on Mannheim Road and in Lyons along Ogden Avenue that stayed open and sold liquor until 6 a.m. You may have called them whorehouse saloons, but a lot of travelling businessmen spent a lot of $$ in these places. What took them down, was the IRS investigation of credit card receipts for "floral arrangements, catering, and limousine services" being turned in as expense account deductions.

The history and culture of these clubs will always prove to be more interesting than an aging ATF. However, I will forever relish the memory of hundreds of butt-nekkid women in clubs all over the country bringing a smile to the face of this seasoned road warrior. Carpe Diem and let her jiggle the joystick a little.

Damn, you guys are depressing.

FONDL - If you only have fun with few select strippers rather than the club environment generally, you may wanna consider replacing your leisure time with a dating service, singles bars or escorts. Sounds like you're into girls and not strip clubs. Or at least, not strip clubs of "today". So if this is true, I suggest you wake up, close your wallet and stop going. There's plenty of non-strippers OTC who'd sit on your lap and talk to you in exchange for money or a dinner date. If you don't like strip clubs, then don't go.

SC - You sound like a fun dude, who is unfortunately so jaded with the ATL scene that you're not expecting to, nor will try to have a great time elsewhere. That's a shame for you man. I've never been to your heaven on earth in Columbia, but I find it hard to believe it's the only place to have fun in a strip club. In fact, I know it's not. One thing for sure though....if you're not expecting to have fun elsewhere, then you won't. And that'd be your fault.

I've found that there are a lot of strip clubs out there that aren't very much fun. In fact, before I started having regulars, I generally considered that I only had fun about half the time that I went to a strip club. That's why I started having regulars, to improve the batting average. When I'm with a girl who I really enjoy being with, then it's fun. The clubs often aren't much fun for me, it's a special girl who makes it fun, often in spite of the club rather than because of it. So I guess you could say that I like a lot of strippers but not very many strip clubs.

Strip clubs are fun. Even bad strip clubs can be fun under the right circumstances. Even analyzing them can be fun. But that's a different sort of fun. You need a different frame of mind for that. I don't go to a club with thoughts of my TUSCL review in my head. That just might ruin everything.

For example, some of you obviously enjoy the stage dancing, whereas I don't very much because I think it's gone downhill in many clubs.

FONDL, being about twenty years younger than you, I don't have any frame of reference on this. My experience is that there is not a lot of focus on stage dancing, and that the dancers just use it as "advertisement" for lap/couch/VIPs, where they make the good money. I would have liked to have seen what stage dancing was like before lap dancing came in, and the dancer reallyhad to" make it count" on stage. But I would not like to go back to the days before lap dancing...I have too much fun having a young nekkid woman rubbing against me.

Clubs have also become much more explicit sexually which some of you probably like and others including me don't.

If you're talking about "pink parts", I agree.

Some of us go mainly for companionship and conversation, some are mainly interested in the touching and feeling part.

This reminds me of Winston Churchill being seated at a dinner next to a Protestant clergyman. When drinks were offered, the minister said, "I would rather commit adultery than imbibe." Churchill then called back to the waitress: "Miss, come back here, I didn't know there was a choice." Similarly, I like all of those things you mentioned, and fortunately have found a club where I don't have to choose between them....as you well know (or at least remember).

Maybe that's too much analysis for you but I find it interesting.

I like the analysis. As Socrates said, "The unexamined life is not worth living." Also, I'm not much into sports, and this gives me something that I can put some emotional energy into, but that ultimately has no significance to my real life (like following a sports team.)

I don't think today's clubs are as fun as they used to be.

I wouldn't know, given only about ten years' experience (as opposed to yours, that spans just about my whole lifetime so far, I suppose). But I have had a great time over the past ten years, and not regretted a penny of the money I have spent at this unique hobby.

I agree, Tiffany, but I also think it's interesting to compare notes, seems to me that's what this board is all about. We all have different tastes, so the parts that are the most fun for you will be different from my favorite parts. For example, some of you obviously enjoy the stage dancing, whereas I don't very much because I think it's gone downhill in many clubs. Alot of cubls now routinely hire girls who can't dance and how aren't very attractive, which for me has taken the fun out of watching the stage. Clubs have also become much more explicit sexually which some of you probably like and others including me don't. Some of us go mainly for companionship and conversation, some are mainly interested in the touching and feeling part. That's why we favor different kinds of clubs. Maybe that's too much analysis for you but I find it interesting. I've changed my mind about a lot of ideas because of these discussions. I also behave differently in clubs than I used to as a result. I think that's been beneficial for me. And I will admit, I sometimes lament times gone by because I don't think today's clubs are as much fun as they used to be. Or maybe it's just me.

Not a lot to add. Well said!

Tiffany, I agree that the girls are by far the most important part. But price is also important to me. My current club recently raised prices so that it now costs $150 per half hour to do a VIP. Add to that several drinks for each of us at $8-10 apiece, a tip for the dancer, tips for the waitresses and the girls onstage and it costs me $300 for about an hour and a half of fun. Frankly for me that isn't very much fun. Then the girls are all bitching because busines is so bad and management is screwing them, which further detracts from the fun. As a result my girl and I are talking about moving OTC. I won't be surprised if she quits soon.