Gun fire in Jersey Mall

Lol, VINTAGE Alucard!

TUSCLs broken record is back on the turntable.

Safety never takes a holiday

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5UX51lmL6…

Funny that he posts about an event where no one was killed by guns. Using tards kind of logic, this shows that GUNS DON'T KILL. Retard hoisted himself on his own petard. What a fool.

"VINTAGE Alucard!"

My stance on this is WELL known. And I'll avail myself of EVERY opportunity to voice my opinion on the subject, NO matter how much it irritates other pro-gun members.

Every day over 30 people die in DUI related traffic accidents.

Driving under the influence of alcohol is a crime. If making something illegal can magically stop the deaths, why is there a DUI related death every 48 minutes?

No alcohol drinking would stop DUIs & DUI deaths.

Cause of death (2010) and number of deaths

Heart Disease . . . . . 780,213
Cancer . . . . . . . . 575,000
Accidents (non-auto). . 85,000
Alzheimer's . . . . . . 83,500
Nephritis, Nephrosis . 50,476
Diabetes . . . . . . . 69,071
Drug induced . . . . . 40,373
Suicide . . . . . . . . 38,364
Septicemia . . . . . . 34,812
Alcohol induced . . . . 25,692
Parkinson's Disease . . 22,032
Pneumonitis/Solids-Liq. 17,011
Gun deaths, homicide. . 11,101
. . (approximately 96% of gun homicides committed by career criminals using illegal weapons)
Gun deaths, accident. . 851
Gun deaths, unknown . . 222

Total number of deaths related to firearms discharge, all causes including proximate and non proximate (including suicide, accident, undetermined) in 2011 . . 31,940

Approximate number of guns in civilian hands in the USA 350,000,000

Banning AND confiscating all firearms in the USA might reduce firearm homicides by 300 to 400 per year. A 1992 study by ATF and CDC estimated that any attempt to confiscate firearms in this country would result in between 2,650,000 and 16,000,000 deaths.

Only an amoral idiot, desiring fascist control of US citizens and the deaths of millions would suggest banning and confiscating firearms.

Great info dallas


Now shut the hell up aluretard

Nobody is irritated by you. If that were so you would have been shot by now.

I forgot to mention that in 2011 there were 6,420,000 auto accidents which caused $230 BILLION in damages, 2,900,000 injuries and 42,636 deaths.

Alucard, am I right in thinking you don't own a gun?

Dallas you stats are correct. Alucard has a right to his opinion. But he for gets this simple fact. there are more responsible gun owners in this country then un responsible gun owners.

Good one Londonfog.

and how many of these deaths are you responsible for alucard?:


“In Hospital Deaths from Medical Errors at 195,000 per Year USA”

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/releases…

Alucard, if the type of restrictions you advocate actually worked, NYC and Chicago would be the safest places in the entire country. At least with regard to gun deaths.

The reason the Second amendment exists is to protect Americans from turds like Alucard who just want the scum of the earth to have guns. In America these shootings happen in the states with the most restrictive laws already. Can't you just see a murderer say I would kill you but guns are illegal so I won't? Outlaw the NRA is the type of thing that Hitler, Stalin and Mao would do. Progressives and liberals seem quite similar to all three. Vermin.

Folks, don't even try to bring facts or logic into the discussion. Alutard's brain does not have enough NEURONS to process anything like that.

LMFAO!

Ban Snookie. The gunman was probably looking for her.

By alutard's logic all people should be banned from leaving their houses in order to cut down on the number of car accidents and gun deaths.

If an armed crook broke into Alucard's place, Alucard would YELL at him in LARGE CAPS in order to DEFEND himself.

According to Wikipedia two thirds of suicides are gun related. Some of the non-auto accidents would be gun related.

Altard left his brain in A jar at the hospital. A very small jar

Hey zef. Did you not see the category in dallas' post that said: Gun deaths, accident.. 851? How about the one that said, "Total number of deaths related to firearms discharge, all causes including proximate and non proximate (including suicide, accident, undetermined) in 2011 . . 31,940."
That is less than septicemia which can occur in a hospital which is where the turd works.
Is there anyone out there who believes that a person who wants to commit suicide would be deterred by a lack of a firearm.

THE CLASSICS ARE BACK LMFAO. I laughed so hard as soon as I read the OP.

"Folks, don't even try to bring facts or logic into the discussion. Alutard's brain does not have enough NEURONS to process anything like that."

generally i''m not one to heedlessly attack, but dougster is right. No matter how much facts and evidence and political heresay you bring into the conversation, Alucard will NEVER listen to anything but his own thoughts. Even if it's about how a computer works and you're a certified microsoft/mac technician, he will always think he is right with no proof to back it up. Sad but proven fact

@jabthehut nope, your wrong. That guy got his data from wikipedia. He is automatically correct. End of story....PERIOD

Alucard's thinking shows how limited and closed minded in thinking those who are in the gun ban club really are. Don't think like Alucard, life is better with an open mind.

@jabthehut. You might be right. I'm not going to argue with you. But there is some danger in having a gun in the house.

^^^ That's is how family members end up shooting another very often.

My three guns are elevated at 7' near each doorway, I have an 8' reach. No way in hell anyone but me is getting to them.

"That's is how family members end up shooting another very often."

US population is over 350,000,000, the number of domestic shooting fatalities is under 800. That works out to about 00.0023%, or a slightly greater risk than getting hit by lightning.

Only a liberal calls something that happens lees often than a $1,000,000 lottery win, "very often."

Logic just isn't one of your strengths is it, Alucard?

Altards brain is in a jar somewhere

I'm struggling to figure out what this has to do with strip clubs.

" it seems no one was killed. This kind of thing needs to STOP. "
I'm surprised Alucard is suggesting such as a thing. There are laws against mass murder and suicide.

Only Alucard believes if a. law is passed banning something, then everyone will obey the law. No speeders, no thieves, no killers, no guns, yep, life as Alucard believes it. ONly the criminals will be able to defend themselves.

Since it is not reasonable to believe you can take all the guns away from all the suicidal people or people with mental problems, it is reasonable that everyone else take means to defend themselves. Not defending yourself is like playing Russian roulette. Criminals would have it good if people couldn't defend themselves. Alucard is in effect suggesting something that would promote crime. Only criminals would have guns and they would be free to gun down anyone who stood in their way. Their only worry would be psychos with explosives or compound bows with explosive arrow tips. I haven't shot one of those but I did see Rambo shoot one.

Paying for sex is illegal, there is no way he would ever get laid if he followed all the laws. He is picking and choosing and being quite hypocritical of the justice system.

"I'm struggling to figure out what this has to do with strip clubs."

Most strippers like shopping at the mall.

"Most strippers like shopping at the mall"

Do they like being around gunfire? And maybe being hit.

"And maybe being hit."


Well, they may not LIKE it, but I know far too many that tolerate it.

@alucard. “"Most strippers like shopping at the mall"

Do they like being around gunfire? And maybe being hit.”


very, very MUCH less risky than walking into a hospital and being killed by masked murders making preventable medical errors. hmmmm

alutard: "Outlaw the NRA."

So now alutard is up'ing it a notch and is even against freedom of association? Man, it's become nearly impossible to express how big a faggot this guy has become.

"Well, they may not LIKE it, but I know far too many that tolerate it"

They shouldn't have to tolerate it.

DoctorPhil + Dougster. The same? Or opposite sides of the same infected coin. Maybe identical twins.

"Paying for sex is illegal, there is no way he would ever get laid if he followed all the laws. He is picking and choosing and being quite hypocritical of the justice system."

Well obviously. He's doing it right in this thread.

Well alutard, you are the one who is such a RETARD that you can merely state your short bus opinion. We called upon to present facts or logic to back your position it quickly becomes apparent that you have absolutely nothing. So all you do in threads like this is prove what a psycho retard you are. I guess that's exactly what you goal is, however.

Alucard is just flat out UNAMERICAN.

Wants moderation on board - anti-1st amendment
Wants to ban self-protection - anti-2nd amendment
Wants to ban NRA - anti-1st amendment
Has said banning alcohol - anti-21st amendment

juice68 is driving to the hoop pretty hard maybe he will sweep alucard off his feet and they can ride off into the sunset together

Teue that deogol

In the meantime Alucard might be sharpening up his ninja knife skills hoping for the day when knives could become the ultimate weapon. When he finds out I have a compound bow, he can say Ban all Bows!


Really if you think about it, all of our past mass murderers except for a few used guns instead of explosives or they really could have killed and maimed a lot more people. I know how I could kill all large animal life on the planet with just a little bit of the right material. Only a madman would kill everyone.

I think it would be interesting if Eco terrorists tried an experiment to see if they could trigger an ice age. I think it would be too big of an effort though. I think I could with some major funding and not having to worry about getting sued for causing global cooling.

The total cost to cause an ice age might be less than a billion dollars. Governments would never go for it because they have too much tax money to gain from taxing all of us to stop global warming without doing too much to really stop it.

dallas702, you should check your facts -- and your math :) The population of the U.S. is about 317,000,000 -- not "over 350,000,000". Also, 800 out of 350,000,000 works out to about 0.00023%, not "00.0023%".

Be that as it may, I agree that banning guns is both pointless and unconstitutional, and banning the NRA (!) is a totalitarian idea.

Hey Alucard, how come when somebody calls you on your facts you attack them and call them names instead of defending you position?

Could it be that some here are correct that you don't *have* a defense, just a position, and you seek to divert attention from that fact? Like every other ad hominem attack is designed to do?

He hides a lot of the bad shit in the PMs. That way he can be "pure" on the boards in public.

"Has said banning alcohol - anti-21st amendment"

Didn't work out so well the first time.

Oh what a slippery slope we are a walkin'

Ban guns
Ban booze
Ban smoking
Ban 32 oz Sodas


What's next? Ban strip clubs. Ban porn?

Be careful what we wish for.

Just guve up folks. He will never respond to a logical counter-argument, and will never explain why. Be glad you know he is a hypocritical ignorant

@Shark-I got live for Alucard but he'll never have knife wielding abilities like us Spics. It's in the DNA.

@Dallas702; Is the number of domestic shooting fatalities, 800, the number that occurred in 2010. If so shouldn't you compare the 800 deaths with 2,468,435, the total number of deaths in 2010 according to CDC. This would give .032%. Still a small percent.

Cheese and crackers Aluprick, that is a face only a homo could love.

I thought Alucard.(dot) got deleted by founder.

Moto, hold on tight, the best is yet to come.

I will give you one hint as to who Alucard.(THE DOT) is. He's a 17 yr.old kid who skipped his senior year of high school to attend USC(Carolina).

P.S. His mother is a dancer at a couple of local clubs.

"attend USC(Carolina)"

I would never attend a school with the nickname of Cocks

but they do have my favorite college football guy -

The ole" ball coach. Where are you gatorfan BTW?

Mr. Founder,you have Mr. Alucard on line 1,2 and 3.

@McDuece, you disputed my 350 million population and used a number of 317 million. I would argue that the US Census Bureau estimate for 2012 of 313,914,040 does not include resident aliens whether legal or criminal. Since the legal alien count is over 12 million and the number of alien nationals illegally in this country in estimated by many credible sources to be at, or over, 25 million, I will stick with my number of 350 million. That's our census of 313 million, plus 12 million legal foreigners (guests), plus 25 million illegal aliens (invaders), for a total of 350 million.

You next point is a math error. Yours, not mine. The decimal fraction of 0.000023 is the same as the percentage of 00.0023%

@zel8mich, minor detail - but I said "less than 800." The actual number of domestic deaths by firearms is not "available." - I guessed. But I stand by my comparison to total population. Your chances of getting killed by firearms accident in your home is related to the total population versus the number of accidental deaths (in home) by firearms. The number of people who died of all causes is irrelevant.

"I thought Alucard.(dot) got deleted by founder."

Only momentarily it appears. This is why a full time Moderator is needed.

Christ Alucard,the only thing missing from that profile pic is a clown nose and hat.

But motor, what other school could have cheerleaders that hold up signs during the game that say "Go Cocks"

But motor, what other school could have cheerleaders that hold up signs during the game that say "Go Cocks"


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Lol. I agree !!!!

@Dallas702; Using the % sign is confusing and could give the wrong impression. The % sign is normally 'dimensionless' with all the percents adding up to 100. Your number may have been a better way of expressing it but represents a number with 'dimensions' deaths per year per person.

And 77 posts later, Alucard still hasn't told how bannin guns will reduce crime. Shocking.

My brother-in-law has tickets on the 50 yd. line. The cheerleaders have "Cocks" on the backs of their panties,much like what Aludrone has tattooed under his mustache.

@deogol: "He hides a lot of the bad shit in the PMs. That way he can be "pure" on the boards in public."

Feel free to post any PMs you want in the public forum. After all, they belong to you, you can do anything you want with them. And since I started doing that, I haven't gotten a single one from him.

zef8mich: "Using the % sign is confusing and could give the wrong impression."

Only to those who don't understand statistical mathematics. Which, to be fair, is a large portion of the population of the world.

Is it just me? I wonder why this thread has legs...over 80 posts now

There are 2AMers posted about every other day. It goes like this:

Shadowcat posts the story
Drac posts the same comment every time
There are 4 or 5 comments how lame Alucard is and always reposting the same comment
And then it ends until the next shooting

But what made this one special? Hmmmm

@motorhead: seems like alutard is building up more enemies. Just how his martyr complex wants it.

@motorhead, maybe it is because most of us are mildly irritated by the brainless drivel repeatedly posted here by the OP. This time, instead of the twerp commenting on someone else's post, he started this one, allowing everyone the opportunity to express their low opinion of the OP. (note that not one single comment in this thread supports the OP or his position.)

I said, "mildly irritated" because, while I do consider those opposed to the US Constitution and yet living in the US to be amoral assholes, the OP's repeated moronic posts are about as bothersome as a single fly in a busy SC.

Wait til "THE DOT", gets done with poor little Jeffrey.Dot, I'm bustin at the seams here.

I'm going to call bullshit on dallas702's comment about people "opposed to the US constitution" living in the US being amoral assholes (or asswholes, as the case may be). A major POINT of the constitution (right up there in the first amendment, doncha know) is protecting the right to dissent. Moreover, the constitution has a mechanism to be amended. It is the RIGHT of anybody to speak out against any constitutional provisions with which they disagree and advocate repeal of that provision by assembling as a part of a group (another constitutional protection, doncha know) to advocate an amendment to accomplish this goal.

Now, repeal of the 2nd amendment isn't going to happen. Not anytime soon, at the very least. But your argument about the CDC study is specious. The strong opposition to the seizure of privately owned guns is why the 2nd amendment isn't going to be repealed. If popular sentiment were such that a repeal were possible the landscape would be fundamentally different.

Now personally, I'm not a gun control advocate. I think people who use guns in crimes should get very severe sentences (more severe than is typical now). I also think existing laws should be enforced. But I support the right of law abiding citizens to purchase guns and keep them.

However, I call bullshit on any dude who supports on provision of the constitution out of one side of his mouth while telling people who exercise their rights under another provision that they are amoral assholes out of the other side. Now, you have every right to say and believe that shit. Just as I have the right to call you on it.

If you're going to sling shit at Alucard that is your right and within the rules of this unmoderated board. And it is Alucard's right to sling shit back at you. Or choose not to. Hell, you are entitled to the opinion that Alucard is whatever you think he is. But don't pretend to be supporting liberty while calling people who want to exercise their rights in a way you disagree with amoral assholes.

^^^ Good point, zippy. No I do believe, OTOH, that if you look at enough of alutard's other beliefs (e.g. "Ban the NRA!" which is anti-free speech and free association) that you conclude that he is anti-American. But to make that judgment just because he opposes the 2nd amendment is a leap on its own.

Thank you zipman68. It is nice to see that you have some real SUBSTANCE to you. [NOT to mention Ballz - {Intentionally Mispelled} :) :)] It was a bit unexpected. Normally I am NOT publicly defended on this forum. Those who are freindly with me usually shy from a public show of support. My guess is that they don't exhibit this support publicly because of a desire NOT be constantly ATTACKED & MOCKED on a daily basis month after month, for showing support for me. I have NO doubts that Dougster and his countless minions & aliases would indeed treat like they treat me.

Good for you zipman68, even if we disagree on gun violence & what to do about it.

goodsouthernboy - I'm under NO requirement to offer explanations to anyone. If & when I do decide to explain, you'll see it.

"brainless drivel repeatedly posted"

Your opinion ONLY Asshole. If you don't want to read what I say - DON'T read it. This isn't Rocket Science.

"that you conclude that he is anti-American"

Your opinion ONLY! And considering the way you supposedly "think" I am not surprised at that BS statement. Your insult falls flat, just like all of those directed at me do. I am SURE as hell glad that my beliefs & thoughts as far as possible in a direction away from yours Dougster. I invite any member who isn't a Dougster minion & is reasonably open minded to read Dougster's countless posts & decide for yourself what he is all about. Include all the "members" who have already attacked me in this thread.

I misspelled friendly - sorry for the typo.

Sorry for the other writing errors above. I didn't proofread it well enough.

I can't sympahtize with alucard like I used to anymore. He's no better than Dougster on his own attacks. But he is different. Dougster looks for no one to back him up as he goes to bat for himself. Alucard cries wolf all the time. "Everyone attacks me MONTH AFTER MONTH"....but I am wasting time. he won't read this.

People have every right to criticize you and call you whatever they want alutard. Especially if you refuse to back your statements with facts or logic.

After a reboot installing new software, I scanned TUSCL without signing in and found zipman68's comment. (Normally I would have missed it since he earned a place on my ignore list.) Just for giggles, this time I'll respond.

First, I never stated nor implied any desire to restrict anyone's rights, including the First Amendment right of free speech. I never said, nor implied, that the OP did not have the right to free speech. Please note, contrary to zipman68's assertion, free speech is NOT the same as dissent. The US Constitution does NOT specifically protect any right of dissent. Under certain circumstances, dissent has even been successfully prosecuted as treason.

What I did say was, I consider those opposed to the US Constitution and yet living in the US to be amoral assholes. That is because I do consider anyone opposed to the rights, protections, responsibilities and benefits created and protected by the US Constitution, and yet residing here enjoying those self same benefits, to be both amoral and an asshole. That doesn't mean the OP does not have the right to express his opinion. It means that I sincerely believe his opinion makes him an amoral asshole. My opinion is offered, not because he exercises a right granted under the Constitution, but because he benefits from those rights and protections and yet openly opposes the very principles, structure and documents that provide the benefits he enjoys.

Zipman68's criticism is misplaced, duplicitous and unwarranted. I spoke no word in opposition anyones rights. I said nothing about liberty. I did not in any form suggest the mitigation of any portion of the US Constitution, nor the restriction of any right, power nor authority granted therein.

I'm just surprised no one has remarked...

"shooting in New Jersey? Who cares?"

That entire state could fall into the ocean and not many would care. Not even Snooki or Paulie Walnuts

I remember going to the jersey shore as a kid with the family. That was before it got guidoed. I'm not that old so all that stuff really happened pretty quick. The boardwalk, skee-ball, and the beach.

@motorhead, I lived in NJ for a few years (job requirement) and I found the white corn (a variety of sweet corn) to be excellent. I am sure some people would miss that. Otherwise, I would be unable to dispute your assertion.

^^^

I have a friend from New Jersey. He came to the Mudwest to go to college and ended up staying here.

He's tried to tell me that NJ is not what I think. It does have lots of rural farms, (hence the name, The Garden State). But not having visited, my idea of it comes from TV - oil refineries, pollution, the Mob, horrible crime in the ghettos of Newark and Trenton, and -- of course -- the assholes on Jersey Shore.

"Midwest"

Lol. Though sometimes after the snow melts it can be the Mudwest

I should probably clarify my position for those who actually are engaging in some reasoned debate. I'm not going to directly address address Dallas because a) he claims to be ignoring me; and b) I've never had a high opinion of his intelligence. Not really worth my time...unless of course he does something funny in response (please Missa Dallas...I wants ya to do somethin' funny 'cos I need some LOLZ)

I will, however, address one issue for the interest of those who actually want to hear something besides their own voice, like ol' Dallas. Dallas is correct that people have successfully been prosecuted for dissent in America, beginning as early as the Alien and Sedition acts. However, such actions on the part of the government were fundamentally contrary to the spirt of liberty. First amendment rights are meaningless unless one can express ideas that would logically correspond to dissent. We are, unfortunately, returning to such dark days. I wonder if Dallas ACTUALLY believes in liberty or actually doesn't give a fuck as long as "da gummint don't take his gunz".

I took no position for or against Monsieur Dallas' posts until he characterized Alucard as an amoral asshole for disagreeing with his position. To be fair to Alucard, he never advocated doing anything he said through any means other than the democratic process. Above I stated my own position on gun control clearly. I also did not accuse Dallas of restricting Alucard or anybody else's rights. I'm sure he doesn't have that power. however, the characterization of one's opponents as not just wrong, but evil, if not exactly a pathway toward reasoned debate. I specifically called bullshit on that part and stand by that.

with respect to Alucard...I honestly don't have a read on him. That is the big reason I've laid off him. I'm happy to joke with people. I'm happy to spar with people. I'm happy to engage anybody in an interesting exchange of opinions. I'm not quite sure how to do that with Alucard right now. I will say that I think he's actually a pretty reasonable guy behind it all. I disagree with some of what he say, agree with some other things. I suspect I'd enjoy a chat over a non-alcoholic beverage with him though...

On the other hand, I find it interesting that Monsieur Dallas declares that I'm on his ignore list then proceeds to ridicule me...a sure sign that he doesn't want a respectful dialog. I suspect that I'd find him a stupid, ignorant blowhard if I had a beer (alcoholic or non-alcoholic) with him.

Now I don't care about him ridiculing me...but the fact that I'm on his ignore list (if I really am...) raises an important question. Given that he doesn't want a respectful dialog and purports to be ignoring me, how am I going to get some LOLZ from the guy?

alutard: "Your opinion ONLY!"

Sorry, alutard, but I am not the only one who believes. Many in this thread see you for being the anti-American that you are. Can a person leap to that conclusion based only on your opposition to the 2nd amendment? I would say no, but given how fundamental the right of self-defense is to preservation of a democracy, I do think that is almost close enough to clinch it by itself. However, if we add in your opposition to free speech and free association as demonstrated by your calls to "Ban the NRA!" there is 0% doubt that you are anti-American at that point. It's a slam dunk. In fact, I would challenge you to find a single person here who would say you are not anti-American after making such a statement (making the big, but possibly wrong, assumption that you are even sane enough to understand the things you say).

alutard: "Your insult falls flat, just like all of those directed at me do."

They do not fall flat at all. Many have publically and private, via PMs, stated their agreements of my assessments of you. And, here's the best part - even you know they are true, and it is funny to see you retreat even deeper into paranoia and put up your other defense mechanisms ("I am a martyr!" "The end is near!") so you don't have to admit it publically on the board or even consciously to yourself.

Keep trying though. Like I say, it's great amusing. Know, however, that you fool nobody. Not even yourself.

@zippy: Dallas has admitted to being not only a theist but even a Christian. Like you, at that point I have no respect for his intelligence.

@Dougster...Dallas...a CHRISTIAN?!! Whiskey tango foxtrot! How can that dude have ME on ignore. Probably worried I school him with my innovative hermeneutics and blow his simple little mind!

Great shitter reading

When I hear about repealing the Second Amendment, which is the only thing standing between us and tyranny, I feel like the poster is an enemy of the United States and should be treated as such. Name a few societies where the people cannot own guns? North korea leaps to mind. China too. No thanks.