Very Passive P4P
ilbbaicnl
Keep it in my pants when I do OTC. If I were a stripper it would stand for I like big bucks and I can not lie.
You are talking OTC P4P with a dancer you find very hot. What she wants for $$$ seems reasonable and affordable to you. Big catch: she wants to be totally wasted during the sex. (Let's say on pot to sidestep the whole potential OD issue.) Too wasted for a BJ, cowgirl, or anything other than being totally passive. You have to promise to use a condom, no anal, nothing that might injure her or cause her to be sore when she sobered up. Tempting?
The big plus for me is that I would not have to worry about any traumatic or ick feelings she might get from the actual sex.
Would anyone be tempted to break any of their promises about what they wouldn't do?
I did have sex with a very drunk escort once. Drunk enough so I would never have done it if I didn't know she planned to do me before she got drunk. But she was still active if very uncoordinated, and so drunk she didn't realize how old and fugly I was. (That was the nice part).
I think lots of women would find it very hard to do P4P stone cold sober. Lots of dancers can't do lappers stone cold sober.
The big plus for me is that I would not have to worry about any traumatic or ick feelings she might get from the actual sex.
Would anyone be tempted to break any of their promises about what they wouldn't do?
I did have sex with a very drunk escort once. Drunk enough so I would never have done it if I didn't know she planned to do me before she got drunk. But she was still active if very uncoordinated, and so drunk she didn't realize how old and fugly I was. (That was the nice part).
I think lots of women would find it very hard to do P4P stone cold sober. Lots of dancers can't do lappers stone cold sober.
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Discretion being the better part of valor I left. The next time I saw her mother (who is 15 years younger than me) I said what your daughter said is not entirely true. She held up her hand and said I don't want to know.
That's dangerous territory.
By the hour, P4P pays much better than coal mining or digging ditches in July in Alabama. Rick, doesn't the possibility that many or most of these women are doing something they find very unpleasant for good money creep you out at all? Does me.
Either she's completely there....or I'm not.
Um, not exactly...
If so, “The big plus for me is that I would not have to worry about any traumatic or ick feelings she might get from the actual sex.†Seriously?
Agree with other posts, wasted not equal to no memory or regrets afterwards when sober. Leaves you open to sexual assault charges. You get a notarized written contract?; at very least smart phone video of deal conversation? Your word against hers after her anger/regret/embarrassment sets in.
Key is consent from her when she’s in a state where most people would be able to understand what they’re agreeing to regardless of their sobriety. Getting INFORMED consent from any person who is intoxicated, of limited intelligence, or is otherwise confused or incapacitated is problematic, to say the least.
Rape charge is possible for nonconsensual sex, even if with a stripper or escort, especially where prostitution is not illegal. Remember, in many jurisdictions husbands can be charged for having nonconsensual sex with their wives; similar charges possible in some areas for same-sex partners. Unlike in the past you can’t count on public disapproval of sex workers to reduce risk of prosecution.
Honestly, what would you do in THIS situation [yes, not EXACTLY equal to OP deal]: You and your best buddy are at a bar. You get to talking about your friendship and things you’ve done to help each other. He asks if you would ever give him money if he were in need. Still sober, you answer “under certain circumstances, sure.†You proceed to get wasted; he’s the DD and remains relatively sober. On the ride home he asks if he could use your ATM to get $$ for himself. After a long pause while you vaguely remember your earlier conversation and try to understand what he’s asking now, you say in a slurred voice, “Sure, ole’ buddy†and give him your PIN. He withdraws lots of your $$$. Later, sober, you learn what happened.
What do you say to him?: a) “glad to help you out†or, b) “you #%*@^*&! SOB b*****d, you took advantage of me and I’ll get you for this!â€
Not really, at least as long as she hides it well. ;)
There is a big difference between a girl pushing herself to do something that she wouldn't otherwise do and one who is so drunk that she cannot even consent to the act.
I agree.
ilbbaicnl, you were/are playing with fire. And could get VERY badly "burned".
Not in the least.
I don't deny I'm generally a PL. But at least I don't feel the compulsive need to twist everything into an opportunity to talk shit.
I can remember couple times being so stoned I blacked out. But that was from smoking shit from people who were barely acquaintances, so maybe they were lacies.
I'm sure all P4P girls wish they had a big trust fund, just like guys wish all the women they wanted NSA sex with reciprocated their feelings. Realistically, we have to choose from the alternatives that are available to us.
Isn't the scenario I'm describing analogous to getting a sleeper berth on a long boring train trip so you can sleep through it? Negative feelings about having sex with someone you are not attracted to are probably inherent. But negative feelings about anything you know happened but did not experience have to come from culture/socialization.
Not that I've every actually done this. In practice, it might be better to just fap to the fantasy of good sex than have sex with someone who's passed out.