Very Passive P4P

No thanks. When she sobers up she might claim date rape. Why not just get into necrophilia?

Lot of red flags there.

I've fucked lots of stoner chicks and they were always quite active. And horny. Must be that Humboldt County.

My ATF had me over to her house one time and she had been drinking heavily. We went to her bedroom and she delivered a good but sloppy BJ and then as we started fucking she said"oh, you know how I like it, Cee" well, my name ain't Cee and her drug dealer is named Cee, so I re-acclimated her and she seemed to acknowledge me and then she said"fuck me in the ass, hon" I started to but couldn't get it in, so I got up, got some lubricant returned to the bed and she had passed out completely. As tempting as her butt hole looked, got his had been forbidden territory and I just couldn't do it while she was unconscious. I told her about it in the morning and she went apeshit screaming that I raped her ass. She even called her mother ( who really liked me) and said that I'd fucked her ass when she was passed out. Discretion being the better part of valor I left. The next time I saw her mother (who is 15 years younger than me) I said what your daughter said is not entirely true. She held up her hand and said I don't want to know. That's dangerous territory.

Totally wasted is a no go. There are just too many ways in which that can come back to haunt you. Nevermind the fact that I would just feel like a creepy and terrible person by fucking a girl who was on the brink of passing out.

It involves an unrealistic level of trust, but on the girl's part not the custy's. If a girl wanted to bring false rape charges, she could just as easily claim she was wasted when she wasn't. Either way, I think it's hard for sex workers to get a prosecutor to pursue rape charges even when they have injuries.

By the hour, P4P pays much better than coal mining or digging ditches in July in Alabama. Rick, doesn't the possibility that many or most of these women are doing something they find very unpleasant for good money creep you out at all? Does me.

If she's drunk enough for only passive sex (which I'm rather fine with. Rowdy rough sex isn't necessary) then she is drunk enough to forget to be paid.

No effin' way. Either she's completely there....or I'm not.

OP: "Tempting?"

Um, not exactly...

OP: I understand deal as sober consent for certain sexual activity only when she’s wasted. Correct?

If so, “The big plus for me is that I would not have to worry about any traumatic or ick feelings she might get from the actual sex.” Seriously?

Agree with other posts, wasted not equal to no memory or regrets afterwards when sober. Leaves you open to sexual assault charges. You get a notarized written contract?; at very least smart phone video of deal conversation? Your word against hers after her anger/regret/embarrassment sets in.

Key is consent from her when she’s in a state where most people would be able to understand what they’re agreeing to regardless of their sobriety. Getting INFORMED consent from any person who is intoxicated, of limited intelligence, or is otherwise confused or incapacitated is problematic, to say the least.

Rape charge is possible for nonconsensual sex, even if with a stripper or escort, especially where prostitution is not illegal. Remember, in many jurisdictions husbands can be charged for having nonconsensual sex with their wives; similar charges possible in some areas for same-sex partners. Unlike in the past you can’t count on public disapproval of sex workers to reduce risk of prosecution.

Honestly, what would you do in THIS situation [yes, not EXACTLY equal to OP deal]: You and your best buddy are at a bar. You get to talking about your friendship and things you’ve done to help each other. He asks if you would ever give him money if he were in need. Still sober, you answer “under certain circumstances, sure.” You proceed to get wasted; he’s the DD and remains relatively sober. On the ride home he asks if he could use your ATM to get $$ for himself. After a long pause while you vaguely remember your earlier conversation and try to understand what he’s asking now, you say in a slurred voice, “Sure, ole’ buddy” and give him your PIN. He withdraws lots of your $$$. Later, sober, you learn what happened.

What do you say to him?: a) “glad to help you out” or, b) “you #%@^&! SOB b*****d, you took advantage of me and I’ll get you for this!”

I smell a rat. As SlickSpic said, wasted on pot she'd be fully functional. Totally drunk on alcohol she would be a zombie at best. I'm fine with fucking girls after we get high; I don't fuck drunk girls who are beyond the ability to walk, talk etc. If sex with you is so disgusting to her that she needs to be numb, I'd say find another girl. Especially one who likes anal!

"Rick, doesn't the possibility that many or most of these women are doing something they find very unpleasant for good money creep you out at all?"

Not really, at least as long as she hides it well. ;)

There is a big difference between a girl pushing herself to do something that she wouldn't otherwise do and one who is so drunk that she cannot even consent to the act.

"There is a big difference between a girl pushing herself to do something that she wouldn't otherwise do and one who is so drunk that she cannot even consent to the act."

I agree.

"Very Passive P4P"

ilbbaicnl, you were/are playing with fire. And could get VERY badly "burned".

What if she is so relaxed she shits the bed?

I might get drunk and fuck up in a strip club once in awhile and do extras, but the idea I'd see any of these dancers for pay or for free outside the club is laughable.

@"Tempting?"

Not in the least.

Good way to wake upone day in prison with bubus dick up your ass

You definitely get the award for most weirdo-threads, ilbby. Light years ahead of Juice, even (who seems to just do it for fun, while you seem genuinely curious).

There will be traumatic and ick feelings, that's why she has to be fucked up. Don't do it! It's rape. Rape is bad.

It seems like nobody is interested in the scenario I was talking about, where consent is clearly given. You can't have your surgeon arrested for attacking you with a deadly weapon because you only consented to surgery before the operation, and not during it when you were under general anesthesia.

I don't deny I'm generally a PL. But at least I don't feel the compulsive need to twist everything into an opportunity to talk shit.

I can remember couple times being so stoned I blacked out. But that was from smoking shit from people who were barely acquaintances, so maybe they were lacies.

Why would you want to have sex with someone that clearly states that they have to be black out wasted to do it? That sounds terrible and depressing.

As a consumer of various ethneogens, I can clearly state that nobody underneath my psychedelic supervision has retro graded themselves ever.

What is crappy sex? An activity that's better than almost everything except good sex.

I'm sure all P4P girls wish they had a big trust fund, just like guys wish all the women they wanted NSA sex with reciprocated their feelings. Realistically, we have to choose from the alternatives that are available to us.

Isn't the scenario I'm describing analogous to getting a sleeper berth on a long boring train trip so you can sleep through it? Negative feelings about having sex with someone you are not attracted to are probably inherent. But negative feelings about anything you know happened but did not experience have to come from culture/socialization.

Not that I've every actually done this. In practice, it might be better to just fap to the fantasy of good sex than have sex with someone who's passed out.