Your take on FS in the club vs escorts

My escort experiences have been even more hit-or-miss than my club experiences.

A lot of the time, the escort business is very transactional. You're expected to pay, do and get out, without much interaction, almost like going to the bathroom. You're lucky if the girl is wearing something halfway attractive or is remotely engaged with what she's doing. You have to do a lot of research to make sure you're getting something close to the pictures you see online, and for something actually somewhat worthwhile, you're going to pay out the nose.

Overall, there's just no guarantee unless you can see the merchandise first. Plus, I'll admit it: Yes, escorts might provide the steak, but I like the sizzle. I like the music, the drinks, the club atmosphere, the gowns, the little bit of dancing and teasing and all of that. In my experience, an escort might have the TV on some movie channel and might not even have the room in decent shape. At a club, you get that club thrill.

I've largely given up on the escort thing and gone back to doing the club thing. OTC, however, is still something that rattles around in my brain, especially in a part of the world where ITC anything just doesn't happen.

I've done a lot of both, and my preference is far and away ordering takeout from a SC.

First off, as already noted, you KNOW what you're getting. You've seen her up close and personal, you know her body is as advertised, and you should have a good idea of the type of level of service she'll provide outside the club.

Secondly, and perhaps most importantly, is the anonymity that OTC encounters provide. Go look on Eros-LA, or most of the other escort sites. They often require your full name and work phone number, PLUS two or more referrals from other escorts. In other words, you have to call an escort you've already seen and say, "Hey, I want to fuck someone else. Will you please vouch for me (for free)?" Sorry, not gonna happen, and I sure as hell don't want an escort calling my HR department or knowing all my personal info.

The biggest issue with dancer OTC is the flake factor. When I first started doing OTC, the dancer flake ratio was probably 33%. It's substantially less now (haven't had a dancer flake on me in years). Much rather waste a few bucks on a hotel room that I don't use than worrying about my name showing up on AZcentral.com list of johns released by the local Sheriff's department.

Finally, if you're into quality, it's a lot cheaper to pull a dancer than a top tier escort (sorry, no Backpage hookers for me). Quality escorts are now in $1k range (!!!) in LA, and a bit less than that here in Phoenix, but I usually pay in the $300-$400 range for OTC, and there's rarely a time (or a pop) limit.

CP

Jim - Yea that's about what I've heard it's a bit clinical and not really personal. And like you said you have to pay out the nose for something worthwhile which is kinda ridiculous when you don't even KNOW what you're getting.
CP - You're right about the prices here in L.A., while price doesn't really stop me there's come's a point where that is too much to pay for pussy. I'm sorry but unless you're a celebrity or Victorias secret model I'm just not giving you $1000 or even $2000 to have sex.

And great point about quality Chili. You can pull some great girls here in the 8-10 range for FS in the club or out in the $3-500 range you said. And like you said you KNOW what you're gonna pay several hundred for. So yeah if you're getting quality girls I don't see any need for the escort/hobbyist thing.
Another thing is there might be a fine line between stripping/prostitution but at least I know (or choose to believe) that the dancer isn't blatantly hooking up with any guy for $10-$20 and you do have to have a decent amount before she does anything. Versus some crackwhore where it's a bit like "20/30 dollars? Yea ill do anything got 5 more ill do whatever else you want! Please just any money!"

I've done both but prefer the challenge of pulling a dancer.

If you are serious about hiring an escort then I recommend paying $30 to join TER to read reviews on escorts. If an escort does not have positive reviews then I would avoid her. Also the reviews can alert you of things such as whether or not she rushes you during the session, whether she requires prepayment, whether she smokes during session, etc.

a good person to ask would have been juicebox69 while he was still here. I prefer strippers

Everything that CP said, lol.

With perhaps the exception of the cost factor. In most places where I club, sex with an escort costs about the same as OTC with a stripper of similar quality. But the anonymity and the ability to view/sample the goods are both huge factors in why I choose strippers over escorts.

Years ago I dipped my toe in the escort world and did not overly enjoy it. The only reason that I did this at all is that OTC with dancers in the NYC area became difficult to source and very expensive back in the 2003 - 2005 timeframe, when money was flowing into NY and CT based clubs. I was also not traveling so much, so I did not have the option of sourcing talent from clubs in more amenable areas.

And my conclusion was that it sucked. I felt exposed every time I called one. The last time I did so I bailed when I saw the escort walk into the lobby with some guy who came in and starting an extended conversation with the folks at the front desk. This was a very nice hotel and I had no idea what this guy had to say to the front desk personnel, but I was sensing LE. After that I never ordered up an escort again.

My wallet has been more thought conscience than my dick has when it comes to paying for sex whether it be hooker or stripper (they're therectangle/square reference). Just can't see my pride succumbing. So I never did it. But I see a lot of pros vs. Cons here

Stripper: Pros
More intimacy
You know what she looks like (try before you buy)
Can easily set the mood to get you into it (clothes, attitude stripping intimacy)

Cons:
Expensive as fuck (this includes the drinis and whatever lapdances you get beforehand)

Escort: pro
Cheap inexpensive (seen as low as 50 bucks)
All sorts of of different services offered

Cons:
gamble to know if girl is true to image (as displayed in ads)
No intamcy unless asked (and probably not or extra; also a gamble)
Some chance of a sting operation

Sounds far easier to just get a girlfriend

I had a similar experience as RickDugan except the dude that I saw with the working girl was no LE. I smelled set-up and just like Snagglepuss, I exit, stage left.

I have also done both. I prefer the intimacy of strippers as well for the reasons noted. I've had flakes and rushers in both areas though. My latest run of strippers have actually been extremely disappointing in performance.

The way I look at it, keep both doors open. When you find a favorite, hold on to her. I'm finding there is more overlap between the two worlds than we think.

Don't do escorts. With dancers you get a trial run.

Estafador posted: "Sounds far easier to just get a girlfriend"

Esta, you are a young buck. At your age you SHOULD be more interested in fucking civilians than in sourcing p4p. Paying for pussy is generally an older man's game. I was well into my 30s before I did it with any real degree of frequency and, even back then, it was more for added variety than as a main source of pussy.

Go out and fuck and suck all those young tender gals while you are still young enough to get them! Strippers and escorts will always be there when that changes.

While I am in basic agreement with Chili Palmer, the OP did not offer take-out as an option. He asked our preference between ITC sex or escort sex OTC. Unless you are taking the dancer directly from the club to your outcall location, having OTC sex with a dancer is about the same thing as with an escort. The primary difference is that you already know the dancer a bit and may not even have seen genuine photos of the escort. I balance this a bit by insisting on a "meet and greet" in a bar or other public place before I engage an escort. I have written an article on my views on this but there is not much difference unless one answers strictly within the dichotomy posed by the OP.

I don’t partake in extras too much but have some experience in the 3 areas (ITC; OTC; and escorts).

Along the lines of what Anonymous said.

For me personally the most enjoyable has been ITC b/c one (as well as possibly the dancer); is “in the moment”. The club atmosphere is geared towards having a good time with the alcohol; pumping music; lights; etc.

After being in a club for an hour or more constantly seeing naked women and getting good LDs; one is *really* in the mood (i.e. really really horny) and the dancer may also be either b/c of the atmosphere (alcohol; needing/wanting $$$; a bit horny herself from rubbing on your torpedo; etc.). I kinda see the ITC action as one been able to get a good amount of foreplay (via all the female nudity in the club or getting good-contact LDs) and thus being really pumped for extras.

Along the lines of what Otto said; when I’ve met a dancer OTC; it has not been as much fun as in the club and more like when meeting an escort – IME.

Yeah I agree with everything here. Beside the law enforcement factor theres just too many unknowns. I dont mind dropping money but I'd like to know what im gettibg into. It's just being around this industry you hear about the hobbyist thing but I never understood why. The only advantage is maybe its cheaper and strippers do take more time/effort but I'd rather get the connection and intimacy with a dancer. Theres just no way I would hangout or be a regular with a flat out hooker.

Lots of truth here. I used escorts when I traveled 2001 to 2008. I found repeat business after a good encounter with an escort. Most would give me a personal phone number and lower the price without an agency fee. I had one in Atlanta, one in Nashville, another in Savannah, etc. being a repeat customer worked well for both of us - she knew I wasn't an axe murderer and I knew her pimp wasn't coming through the door behind her. It also led to less negotiating and SLIGHTLY more intimacy.
In 2008 I met a stripper who soon became my ATF with weekly OTC sessions which with several bumps in the road, continue to this day. With escorts I never had bareback, but that's the norm with the stripper. I'm not stupid enough to think I'm the only one tapping this well, but we are both tested regularly and honest enough with each other that I'll know who to blame if I get unlucky. At the age of 68 bareback is important to me ( neuropathy of the dick?)
In my case the stripper has been more expensive, but the quality and quantity have been worth it.i also have had the pleasure of blinking several of the other strippers at the same club and have been able to set up several three-ways and other permutations since I'm now a known commodity at the club.

I prefer strippers in a FS club

And here I was sure everyone who thought it was OK to call a young black man a young buck had been dead for many years. Then again, somebody's voting for Ted Cruz.

ilbbaicnl I think you're confusing the term with something else. It is a commonly used term which basically means young man.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/y…

The link screwed up somehow, but copy and paste the full link into your browser if you want to see it.

http://black-face.com/

I never heard of young buck referred to as anything except a young male.
http://www.google.com/#q=define+young+bu…

After looking at the definition, I see a rapper took the name for himself.
I never heard of him before.

I guess it's only safe to call young guys young bucks if they aren't black to avoid any hint of racism.
I've been called a young buck before and never thought anything of it. Not trying to be rude but I think some people see racism where no one even thought of it.

Young Buck was a southern rapper a part of G-Unit (50 cent's rap group). He got dropped because be kept taking hotel towels, blowing a lot of the group's money and like all vocal groups, it was just time for them to go solo. 50 needed to be solo and didn't intend for the group to remain forever. Like a startup for him and his crew to make their names big.

Ibb your website is disgusting. If I could I'd smack you through your monitor

I take back what I said ibb. I jumped the vun my bad. Just learned a little than most of what I already knew. Wow, uncle ben and aunt jemima? I'd have never guess. Welp I won't be buying their products anymore.

ibbaicnl, that's a good link about racist stereotypes, which are degrading to blacks. I'm old enough to remember some of them.

However, "buck" seems to mean either a young man or (with racist overtones) a young black man. I don't think rickdugan used the term with racist intent.

"I don't think rickdugan used the term with racist intent."

Indeed not. The term "young buck" is so commonly used nowadays by older guys referring to younger ones that I didn't consider it to be remotely controversial. First I ever heard that the term "buck" once had racial element to it. I guess it was too far before my time.

Ibbaicnl or whatever your name is your an idiot. There's a million points being made and you focus on the one that has nothing to do with my topic? Definition of a troll right there Lmao. How old are you and are you even black??? I grew up in L.A. and young buck has never been a racist term. And I'm pretty damn sure I know more black people than you. Get the fuck off my discussion with that racism/political bullshit you think I come to TUSCL for politics??

*And yes I do know it's you're not your okay people. Just didn't really give a fuck cuz some troll spams my topic with some bogus racist bullshit.

Most of the older Black cats that I know use the term Youngblood.

I've heard both, and never in an offensive way. I mean what the fuck is this dude talking about?? I really hope he's black(which I'm doubting) and even then it doesn't make sense because over never once heard that used in an offensive way.

Don't know enough about escorts to be a competent judge between the two; however, I think SC adventures are likely better. Since fantasy is a key factor in such encounters, one can imagine in the SC that he is "seducing" the dancer into agreeing to FS, thus allowing himself to experience more "intimacy."

Sometimes I want to go into the club, peruse the talent, do the dance, and get in the back for some sweet hougamandy.

Sometimes I wanna nut without the fuss.

As an active purveyor of both, I will say that escorts do require more research. It takes some time to find one that you're interested in, where you feel the price is worth what you get. But honestly, when you land an awesome escort and she shows up in your hotel room and you just GO, it's a pretty exhilarating feeling.

With a dancer, there's usually a lot of upfront negotiation, uncertainty about whether she'll follow through, and occasionally the worry that she will hound you for more cash. In the escort world these worries are practically nonexistent. You know exactly what it will cost to get what you want, and the provider knows she can't flake without risking a bad review. She's also far less likely to reach out to you to follow up and try to get more money.

Regarding the privacy concerns, I use an entirely separate email with a Google Voice phone number so that they never know my full contact info. References carry far more weight than a screening process, so if you find a few escorts who are willing to go through the process without screening (or with light screening), then have them give you referrals / whitelist you, you're golden.

I forgot to mention also that the OP's topic is FS in the club. INSIDE the club (compared to OTC), is super impersonal and usually awkward depending on the seating and room layout. I personally have had very few really good experiences getting FS ITC.

I apologize for bringing the evils of history and information to this thread.

@endlesstempo: "In the escort world these worries are practically nonexistent. You know exactly what it will cost to get what you want, and the provider knows she can't flake without risking a bad review. She's also far less likely to reach out to you to follow up and try to get more money."

Where do *you* live? The local NaughtyReviews and USASG boards are replete with stories of escorts who don't deliver, upsell like there's no tomorrow, and regularly flake. Previously well reviewed ones, too, not just newbies.

I strictly use TER or P411 for my hobbying. Sorry for the late reply.

"The slave trade industry developed its own unique language, with terms such as "prime hands, bucks, breeding wenches, and fancy girls" coming into common use."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_…

Oh my god dude shut the fuck up already. The threads over and I get some email a week later?? Why are you so hung up on slavery??? On a stripping site??? Holy shit lmao and I know ur some white geezer so it's even weirder. I don't give a shit if ur a vet member I've seen ur other posts so I already know I'm dead on about you being an idiot.

Typical strip bar convo "tits, pussy, OTC, oh yea she was all over that dick, etc." ibbaicnl "Hey Guys lets talk about slavery!!! How about it?!" I mean holy shit do you have no social sense?? Who the fuck wants to talk about slavery in a bar or online???