Your first OTC experience and what did you learn from it.

It was so long ago that I don't remember much about it. I was also quite drunk. I took a girl out from the now closed Cityscapes in Long Island City, which was conveniently located around the corner from the hotel that I was crashing at for the night. The most important thing that I learned is that I could pull it off at all. I also overpayed a bit, though not by as much as you.

I also overpayed during my second time (also in Queens), where a girl agreed upon a price but then also shook me down for her house fee so that she could leave early. Now the house fees in the high hustle Queens clubs can run at 100+, so this added another Benjamin to my tab. I would never do this now, but back then I was simply so eager to score with this stripper that I coughed up the payout. ;)

Some random thoughts relating to your lessons learned:

1. You do not have to get a VIP room to get a girls number.
Agreed. In fact, I almost never even do LDs, but I score a solid amount of OTC action in a given year.

2. There are plenty of girls willing to do OTC, so don't force the chase.
Yes and no, it depends where you are. But I agree about not forcing the chase. Not only will it drive your costs up with dancers how might be willing, but dancers who say no will resent you and run their mouths off with other dancers. No upside in pushing too hard for the score.

3. The strip club OTC game is way more expensive than escorts.
Yup. In many areas of the country, decent pussy can be had for < $200 from sources like BP. I have never done OTC with a stripper for less than $200 and often it is in the $250-300 range, plus the cost involved with the pre-OTC club visit.

4. Everyone has different tastes and definitions of what is fun.
Fair enough.

5. Civilian dating can get expensive too.
Yes, but not nearly as expensive as dating strippers in my experience, at least until you marry the civilian. ;)

6. A good mix of stripper dates and escorts dates keeps me honest.
It will also help to keep your wallet intact. When I was much younger (and between girlfriends) and was looking for a great night out, I would often visit a club for the booze and eye candy and finish the night with a reasonably priced sure bet. Fucking strippers is expensive, especially someplace like the northeast.

RickyBoyDugan lowering his claims on how much he pays after he learned others pay less than him. This despite the greatness and time involved in developing The System.

I guess the most significant thing I learned was that it can be done. It was about 12 years ago at the infamous Platinum Plus in Memphis. I asked and she said yes. I had to give her $30 to make her tip out so that she could leave. 30 minutes later she showed up at my hotel fresh from a shower. No upsell. I paid the agreed $150 for a very good time.

@Dougie: Go back and read more carefully kiddo. I've been quite consistent with the $250-300 range (except for 2 girl OTC), though it is more than savvy hounds like shadow pay. Any knucklehead can scrounge up OTC in almost any club if he puts 3 grand on the table, but the whole point of THE SYSTEM (as you've coined it) is to get it done for no more that a few hundred, even in tougher areas! A lot of sizzle with only a moderate stake baby. I'm just glad that Uncle Ricky can give ya' a little more insight while also helping you work all of that badness out. ;)

@shadow: You kill me with the rates that you manage to pay. I would not be shocked if, at some point in my travels, I have payed twice as much as you to screw the same girl - lol.

rick - I don't think that is possible. You come to Atlanta don't go to my favorite club. You go to Columbia SC and don't go to my second favorite club. LOL.

Sorry, RickyBoy. You were paying at least $300 and often more and were calling people who said they spent less liars. But after you saw people consistently maintaining they were spending less than you, you saw you weren't going to get support for your position. So you did what you always do. Stop claiming that, said you never said it in the first place, and then started claiming things more in line with what other people said. Amazing how you can turn and lie on a dime!

LOL shadow. True enough, but those dancers are transients anyway, so I could very well have met them in other clubs. :)

Now as far as your two favorite clubs are concerned:

Follies - I visited this place once a couple of years back, late during a weekday night, and it was a mob scene. Way too many guys chasing too few gals for my taste and we were crammed into the joint. I was lucky to eventually find an open seat at the bar and not a single girl came near me for almost an hour. I finally had a brief chat with one girl, who was uninspiring, and left for a better venue. Given the good times that I have had in the Goldrush, it will be my go-to club in Atlanta until it disappoints me.

Platinum Plus (Columbia) - I will never set foot in a PP again after my ample experiences with the one in Greenville. High hustle, painfully loud music and way too gimmicky for me.

Idk shadow, maybe my views of your favorite clubs have to do with the fact that I visit at night instead of during the dayshift, but what can I say? :)

Dougie, I've said that I often pay 300 and I have also said that whole nights out, including a club visit with an OTC finish, often well exceed that number. But I'm pretty sure that I've been consistent in what I have reported as payments to the gals. :)

But I feel your outrage kiddo. Feel free to include links to my previous comments re: paying over $300 for OTC and we can work through my seeming inconsistencies together. ;)

Now

That "Now" at the end of the above post was a typo.

Hmm, I wonder if anyone else would like to share their thoughts on first time OTC? It would be nice if we could get this thread back on track.

"Pretty sure", RickyBoy? Just like you were "pretty sure" you never claimed you had a system or a method, until I had to dredge through you stuff and give an explicit link, then you finally had no option but to admit you had said that? Same with how you were "pretty sure" you I said you "never" said I that I hadn't been to strip clubs at all. Again, until I pulled out the explicit link. And then there was the time you said you never thumped your chest about BBFS, again, I had to pull out the explicit link, before you backed off that claim.

This pattern is far to frequent with you, RickyBoy. I'm going to prepare a searchable archive of all the non-sense you've said in the past, so you aren't able to play this game anymore. (Of course, you're bet is you will get away with the lie because nobody will waste time dredging through you 2,000 crap posts to pinpoint the ones where you made you most ridiculous claims.)

Like all pathological liars, you are so whimsical with your lying that you just say whatever seems most opportune for at the moment, with no regard to whether it meshes with things you previously said or not.

Wow Dougie, that was a wonderful display of feigned outrage over fictional issues based upon your own mischaracterizations of things that I have said. Well done kiddo. ;)

I'll admit to mea culpa moments on using the word "approach" (it was 3+ years ago tiger - lol) and in admitting that perhaps you had visited at least one club at some point in your life (and that is still up for debate), but on the whole I've been very consistent across the board. That is the nice thing about reporting on what has actually happened rather than being forced to make stuff up Dougie. ;)

But feel free to engage in whatever project keeps your mind off all that pain and anguish. If compiling my 2000+ posts gives you something to do that makes you feel like your day was well spent, then I welcome your efforts. It will surely be better than pulling the wings off of flies, hurting domestic animals and the other common pastimes of guys with your type of illness. More therapy accomplished! :)

And with this nonsense kicking back up, another good thread goes off the rails.

You guys are getting testosterone all over my shoes

A pissing contest doesn't lead to testosterone leaking on the bystanders' shoes. Check the color of that substance, Maxwell.

I thought it was the testosterone fueling the fight, but I guess they just have bad aim and they're getting pee everywhere :(

Someone get out the Nature's Miracle.

The tale of my first (and only) OTC encounter. Him: hot creative director at advertising agency, Me: hungry. We did 30 minutes in the VIP and then he asked if I wanted to get french toast when I got off of work. I'm a sucker for french toast. We went to the 24/hr diner across town. He bought me breakfast and then... started to cry about his crumbling marriage. I made sympathetic noises in between bites. Then he walked me to my car and I went home.

Sexy, kind of.

Back on track here...my first one was 20+ years ago in Savannah, Georgia. It was at a real dive of a place and there was mass quantities of alcohol involved. I did the Dougster "just ask" and she said sure. Drove to her place for her to change clothes, stopped by Waho for breakfast, then back to my hotel room. The sex was nothing special, but just the fact that I had succeeded in this little endeavor was pretty fucking nice. Oh, and my only cost was for breakfast! Let's just say I haven't been as lucky on the financial end since then.

Forgot it was a 2 part question..what did I learn from it? I suppose as my friend Shadowcat said, I learned that it was possible, and subsequently, I've learned that you can't force it. I don't flat out ask generally, and I don't have any kind of system. The last two women I've experienced OTC was after getting to know them in the club and having at least some type of connection...at least in my mind. Maybe for them too or else they were that good at determining what I liked and wanted to hear. Either way, I think we each got what we wanted.

Pick a woman who at least acts interested in the sex.

My first OTC was a real flop and was just 2 weekends ago as i have overly been going to clubs for less than a year now and i go to the same club all the time with my wife...we agreed to meet for a drink afterwards at poor hotel and see where it goes since we haven't let anyone be in our bed in over 20 years...we had many drinks at the club and when she got there was pretty drunk..walked in took off her cloths and said what we doing..jumped on my wife where they proceeded to make out..when she was going to be sick from drinking to much...ran to the bathroom got sick put her cloths back on and left embarrassed..but already it didn't cost me a dime other than drinks at the club

Lesson learned was not to get her drunk before going to the hotel

My first OTC experience was too expensive, but was as satisfying as I hoped for. She and I had done VIP several times and I was afraid that I'd blow my load in the first 5 minutes, but she worked me like a pro (Oh. she is one) and for $500 I came twice in an hour. The only thing I learned was how to keep paying and paying and paying. I've met her OTC about 150 times in the past 3 years (she swears she's had more sex with me than her boyfriend)and I don't regret one minute of it. She has made an old man feel like a young stud.

Just remember you lying days are numbered on here RickyBoy. Count yourself lucky if you get one more week as the little pathological liar in the candy store. After that when you say something I'm holding you accountable to how it compares to things you've said in the past, and I will not hesitate to point out all your lies.

Now since you are probably biologically incapable of 0remembering what you said in the past (your disposition just makes you say whatever is most opportune in the given moment - you have no strategic insight - does it jibe with what you said in the past - how will you be able to defend it going forward). Off the Internet you think you can get away with it since there is no record of what you said, but now there will be. Gonna love watching you squirm!

While OTC is no doubt expensive, it also depends on where you're at and who you're doing it with. All the times I ever did it, it was never more than $200 altogether, but OTOH, none of them are going to win a beauty pageant anytime soon. Also, my first OTC was in Fremont, Nebraska, where nothing else happens, or at least nothing ever happened there when they had strip clubs there.

"Count yourself lucky if you get one more week as the little pathological liar in the candy store."

"After that when you say something I'm holding you accountable to how it compares to things you've said in the past, and I will not hesitate to point out all your lies."

"Gonna love watching you squirm!"

Wow, the was a weirdly creepy kiddo. Your therapist may need to rebalance your meds a bit. ;)

As far as comparing past and present statements, feel free. :)

Yep, talk tough now, since you know it takes some time to get it ready. Like I say enjoy your small remaining time in the candy store, then it will be open season and watch the RickyBoy squirm time!

I have a great OTC story to tell but I have already forgotten what this post was about.

it's about a candy store.

"Yep, talk tough now, since you know it takes some time to get it ready."

*yawn*

I actually have no idea what "it" takes, but if you say a week then I suppose that it at least one week where all of the children and small animals near your group home will be safe. ;)

Think we can move on to the topic at hand now? :)

@Corvus: If you have a first time OTC story, I'm sure it would be a lot more interesting the candy store.

It's not a 2 person debate?

Trolls should avoid going to Miami.

A TUSCL meet b/w Dougster and rdguan would be “interesting” :)

Typo. rdguan = “rickdugan”

Homoantonio - more veiled threats? Oh, my!

My first OTC experience I have to thank the bartender. I was sitting at the bar and this dancer that had danced for me before came up and said I was wondering if I was ever going to see you again. We chatted for a while when the bartender steps up and says why don't you two exchange numbers, so I agreed. That really broke the ice for me. During a LD I said "With your moves I bet you would be great in bed". Then she said "You can find out". I left to get a room and $240 and an hour later we have my first OTC experience. Afterwards she admitted that she did not think I would follow through but was pleasantly surprised. To date that was the best lay I ever had. Been with her several times after that but nothing like the first time.

One of the first dancers I met up away from the club I never paid her anything but we weren't going all the way either. We were just hanging out and occassionally going to other bars and partying.

Lesson I learned from here. I could have just paid her money and gone all the way.
The other lesson was that I probably wasn't aggressive enough because she tried to go all the way one night in my tiny car where we didn't have enough room and I had been telling her for two hours I needed to go. I stayed with her longer because she quit her club that night.

I learned absolutely nothing from my first OTC adventure, so I guess I will just have to keep on doing it until I learn my lesson, dammit!

My first OTC was nothing special, just managed to talk a girl in Jacksonville NC into taking me back to her place. I'm sure she'd done the same for plenty of Marines before, and after, me. She was decent enough, but not very "into" it, so I never did it again.

As for what I learned:

> 1. You do not have to get a VIP room to get a girls number.

Absolutely true. In fact, more often than not for the past few years, I never even get a VIP at all before meeting a girl OTC. I do like to get lap dances, though. I find it makes a decent test drive in most cases.

> 2. There are plenty of girls willing to do OTC, so don't
> force the chase.

True, but the ones who jump at it aren't always the best candidates, IMO. Good enough, in most cases, though.

> 3. The strip club OTC game is way more expensive than escorts.

That seems to depend entirely on the area you're in and how long you keep up the relationship. If you're factoring in the money you spend on a girl ITC, and then only see her once or twice OTC, then yeah, it can be more expensive. On the other hand, since I've not been using VIP as a test drive, and only been doing a dance or few for most of the ones I've asked out, it hasn't been much, if any, more than escorts. And I get to see, and potentially test, what I'm getting before I waste any money.

Here in Louisville, you can't even get most *good* escorts to show up at your door for less than $150, and that's probably only for a half hour. Most of the dancers I've seen will do at least an hour, and not rush if it goes over, like escorts will, for that money. The body rub girls are in the $50-75 range for half hour sessions, and $80-100 for an hour, *but* you'll be tipping them at least $40 (at least, if you ever want them to do *anything* for you again), and that's just for a HJ. More is, well, more.

On the other hand, I've been seeing my SB going on three years now, and the cost per hour for some our of sessions has been absurdly low. I'll give her between $100 and $200 (with another fifty for the room), and she'll spend the entire afternoon with me, 3, 4 even 5 hours. I've done overnights with her for $300.

> 5. Civilian dating can get expensive too.

And might not even involve sex...

> 6. A good mix of stripper dates and escorts
> dates keeps me honest; I had a streak when
> I was only strip club chasing.

I prefer strippers to escorts. Yes, it's still a business transaction, but it *feels* less business like most of the time.

Thanks for all the comments. Great insight.

What I have concluded is that I should shoot for the $200 range. And no need to beat around the bush trying to get that OTC for free. Well maybe try it initially and if things don't progress then pull the trigger. And it won't hurt to get a lap dance for test drive purposes.

What do you guys think of this approach?

So after I get the number and things aren't progressing I say something along the line of: I can't believe I dropped $200 yesterday on drinks and tips, lol. Maybe we can just get together so I can do a direct deposit, lol.

Cheesy?

Yes, cheesy.

I do remember my first OTC experience. I had been visiting strip clubs for a while and then started reading about the local escort scene which I was thinking of giving a try. I do remember one girl who advertised on their make it clear she was an "ex-" stripper. So one night I'm in the club wonder, how do you find girls who do escorting on the side? I have no idea, so I figure I'll just ask one who seems friendly. So I meet this one girl and she does seem friendly so I "just ask". And she is up for it. Meet her at a hotel room afterward. Now I didn't remember it at the time, but the reason she was so friendly was that, apparently, she remember me from when she worked as a waitress at another club.

So, yeah, I figured out "just ask" worked on my first attempt, so I was sold. No need for me to spend 10 years developing a completely unnecessary "system" and then bragging about this non-accomplishment as, apparently, so of the more monstrous egos on the board feel the need to. :-)

Morals of my story:

a) just ask
b) be good to the waitresses. If they don't become whores it's only the right thing, and even if do, it can't hurt!