The Do's and Dont's when going out with your ATF for OTC date
To all the experts, what should I look out for when going on a dinner date or just to get drinks with a ATF?
One ATF asked for money for her time not working ($400 plus dinner) and the other asked for 4 straight VIP dances ITC first ($600 worth) and then she will go out with me.
One ATF asked for money for her time not working ($400 plus dinner) and the other asked for 4 straight VIP dances ITC first ($600 worth) and then she will go out with me.
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They will either go out with you or not. Don't play their bullshit games about "you first must spend X amount of money on me in the club" They are just playing games with you and trying to maximize their income. Even if they don't need the money they are just doing it because they like to toy with you and use money as a way to keep score...
Anything that you pay in advance for, you ain't gonna get. (That's why she wants you to pay in advance, by the way.)
Hopefully you will post the update! Good luck.
So she will go out with for $600? But you don't seem to be getting any pussy. Wow what a great deal LOL. Your gonna write about ATF do's and dont's? Are you fkg kidding me.
My advice: No dinner or drink dates with them unless its afterwards (after sex) and even then she may very likely use it as excuse to drain more money from you while she flirts with some waiter in front of you. Is that what you want?
I am 60 and these girls are not going to fuck me for free, they are not going to marry me or be my GF (they prefer guys their own age). Paying for sex does not bother me any more than timesharing a nice condo at Maui would. I find women close to my age unappealing, consequently if some 20 yo stripper will do me in VIP for say $200 or less, well why not?
I was wanted to see if anyone had any experience on a dinner date with a ATF not for sex. What should be expected and what should I look out for?
I understand the prices are above the norm but what do you expect a girl thats 9 material to do, go out with you free? I doubt anyone here has done that for free. Its a business transaction, I understand there point of view.
What I am trying to get at is looking at them beyond just a dancer, more about who they are as a human being.
More like any woman in the world who is not whore instantly recognizes what a whack job Payer is and stays a mile away. Stop pretending like you have any choice in the matter.
I really appreciate your "looking at them beyond just a dancer, more about who they are as a human being", and I try to do the same myself, but paying for that make it less likely to be that case, though it derives from your kindness...
02/07/11 12:59 AM
Surely you can't be serious!
SteveX3, your answer should have been: "I am serious. And don't call me Shirley."
Player11: "I am 60 and these girls are not going to fuck me for free, they are not going to marry me or be my GF (they prefer guys their own age). Paying for sex does not bother me any more than timesharing a nice condo at Maui would. I find women close to my age unappealing, consequently if some 20 yo stripper will do me in VIP for say $200 or less, well why not?"
You speak the truth, my friend.
Don't listen to these jaded naysayers here - I say take her out to dinner. Hell, why not take her shopping after? Maybe catch a movie? If she needs yet more money for this, try to work out a bulk rate. No doubt that after a few dates, she will get to know the "real" you and be so impressed that she no longer needs the money to see you. ;)
OR...
Man the fuck up and keep your clubbing activities at the penis level and reserve your heart strings for a girl that you don't need to pay to take out to dinner.
Let me add that may be your motivation, but that doesn't mean it is hers. The moment money came up, you should have realized she is treating you as a source of income, not a friend. (Or at least, if she is going to be your friend, she will be a mighty parasitic one!)
You might take us as a bunch of jaded dickheads, but I'll lay odds many of us answering in this way "have been there." Many of us have been "the disliked fat kid making friends with candy bars." Candy bars don't work for the fat kid, and money won't work for the patron.
You want a stripper girlfriend: quit your job, buy a playstation, learn the guitar, and practice whining how unfair and fucked up life is in front of the mirror (while cutting some kind of drug on that mirror).
Otherwise, realize, you are and deserve better than a lot of those girls in that building. And no, she is not the special one unlike the others. I'm not anymore misogynistic than anyone thinking they are better than liars and confidence artists either.
I believe the best time to date a stripper is when she has been out of the business for at least two years and can function in the "real" world like the rest of us surviving on wits, knowledge, and value to others.
I spent alteast $500 each time I go, and thats like twice a month. I think she would care a bit because thats a big chunk of money she wont get anymore. I dont think she has a customer like me, maybe if she works on a couple of her regulars and add up all that money in one night maybe she will, but not just from one person alone.
Maybe we should look at all the facts before we judge who is the PL. I already been to house and met her whole family and they all know me, I have her on my friends list on myspace, she knows me well now and I know her well. I HIGHLY doubt anyone here has done that so far. To me this is stuff more beyond the club and stuff that I never was able to go far with any other dancer I have been with in the past, most of them if not all are pretty tight on their personal info especially family and their house.
I think if you start off, everyone is the PL at one point, but if the situation turns to things like the way it is for me I think its leading to something else. All she is asking is some money for her time off, which for me is not a problem at all, do you expect her to do it for free? I dont. Do you get my point?
Everyones response is about fucking the girl and if you dont your a stupid PL and a RIL. And then they laugh about being "friends". I think they are ignoring the point that I am trying to make.
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Do you really give a fuck if some whore is unhappy??? Damn, dude, you deserve to lose all your money. You are a PL to the MAX. She'll find another stupid man to give her money, that is what it is all about dude. She may like you a little, but she is in lust with your cash. Go ahead, spend all your money on these "platonic" dates. You deserve it. Don't come crying to us guys here at TUSCL when she dumps you for some other pathetic loser.
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But if I cut her off wouldnt she be upset that she is losing a good customer?
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steve, this dancer knows she has you hooked. If you are stupid and foolish enough to start "dating" her. All that most likely will happen is your wallet keeps getting emptied. PERIOD ! Don't believe me?? Ask the guys here, they know how it is.
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"I can't believe I got this guy to pay me $600 just so I would go out to dinner with him. I had him take me to the fanciest restaurant in town, and I ordered the most expense things on the menu. When dinner was over, I asked him to give me $100 so I could make my rent. Then I shook hands with him and went home. I didn't even kiss him goodnight. Back home, while my boyfriend was fucking me, I told him all about my "date" with SteveX3. We laughed so hard that my boyfriend's dick came right out of my pussy."
I appreciate your inputs in this site in helping fellow members know more about this game but if your going to say I am the loser you might want to check yourself in the mirror first before saying that. I think thats pretty low class that you have to PAY them to fuck you, and then you glorify that as if its some kind of achievement. Really? Are you that serious?
That is why I enjoy vm coming to Miami. A personal Dear Abby. :)
You're stuck at 99 reviews? Get ye to a club, write a review, and hit the century mark!
Truth be told, I pay a lot less for sex now than I did when I was dating...
Truth be told, I pay a lot less for sex now than I did when I was dating...
To borrow a phrase from a good friend:
YAWN
Why would you want to do this? I don't get it.. ..explain yourself.