C'mon guys .......let me know how important the age of your dancer is. Just wondering about this topic. I recently just went on stage for the first time, had a blast was complimented by all....but now i want to hear the real truth.
Young sexy hardbodies always pique my interest, but older sexy dancers are hot if they are in shape and have good attitudes. Too many older dancers have let their bodies go. The bottom line is looks, sexiness and attitude, regardless of age for me.
SLOW is sexy! Move slowly and deliberately. Undress as close to a guy in the front row as you can. Play peek-a-boo with one boob. Lick or suck the nipple if you can and/or play with it, while keeping eye contact. Act shy. Same with G-string. Stay low enough so the guys at the back tables can not see what is happening. They will move up to the tip rail. NEVER undress in the back of the stage.
Play with your body like the guys would like to if you let them have a LD.
Your stage dance is your billboard; make the most of it.
Where do you dance?
judy, I will be totally harsh. If that is your real picture, you could not make it to shadowcat's favorites list. Now if you have a great personality, know how to please a man and are willing to do it for money, you have a chance. My oldest favorite is 36. I have known her for for about 8 years. She looks like Sandra Bullock but with a much better body. The youngest just turned 24. I thought her to be much younger. Barely legal. My queen just turned 32. She looks like Helen Hunt. I got another warning from my daughter today. "dad be careful". I would love for the both of them to meet. Maybe some day!
Yep, I think the posters can be too aggressive or insulting (myself included). Having said that I have zero interest in older women, but for most guys that I know it is a non issue if the woman is looking to play-----for pay or free. If grandma still wants action, then bring her on even if she is 99 and toothless seems to be the rule.
Having said that I have zero interest in older women, I should also say there are rare exceptions. The oldster who looks and acts young----very few and far between in my opinion----can attract me. Most of those will refuse to state their age generally due to negative reactions. A woman tells me, she is 40 and I'm thinking that she is ready to fall apart (maybe within the next few days) even if she is looking fantastic.
well I really appreciate your honesty Jablake. What I would like to share with you is that we women in most cases are not ready to fall apart after 40. I have turned 46 now and I get more attention from guys both young and old than I ever have.(or so I think) I may have been getting it when I was younger and just did not realize it at the time. I can tell you I am more open sexually than I ever have been and quite frankly my desire is stronger than it ever has been.
Yeah, that's the problem. Women hit their stride between 35 and 50. Men hit theirs right around 18-25. At 18, I would have thought I'd died and gone to heaven if a well-built, good-looking 35-40 year old woman "taught me the ropes." I know most 18 year old males probably feel/felt the same.
You go girl! Have some fun! Unleash your inner cougar!
Meh, to each their own. Some prefer the svelte 20-something bodies (I do too), some prefer more voluptuous, full-figured women. Could Judy stand to lose a few pounds and firm up some areas like her mid-section and legs? Yeah... but nothing that couldn't be fixed in a month or two of working on it. If she begins dancing--and/or hitting the gym--regularly, those pounds will probably drop off quickly, and the legs/belly will firm up. Her rack (it's a nice one btw!) seems to roughly match her hips, so that's good.
Age is a number. When someone asks, "How old is too old to be a stripper?" I simply rephrase it as, "How ugly is too ugly to be a stripper?" There are 18-year-olds who shouldn't strip. There are 50-year-olds who should. And especially in a strip club, older faces lose much of their disadvantage because of the poor lighting. Girls who use pancake make-up and some kind of "bold" or "goth" or "dramatic" facial make-up effects (the Cleopatra lines, f.e.) can easily distract from an older, craggier face, and provide the fantasy as desired, AS LONG AS THE BODY IS STILL WORTH IT.
So, body body body. Don't sag. If you sag, get it nipped and tucked. Don't gain weight. If you gain weight, lose it. If you can't remediate the problems, don't strip (or, don't be surprised when you don't make any money, or get any positive response, when you do strip).
PS -- I don't believe that men "hit their stride" at an age different from women any more. Laxplayer cites the commonly held belief (and I do think, that many people believe this, so, I'm not taking Laxplayer to task at all!).
But this belief is rooted in the Kinsey and other sexuality studies from the 1940s, 50s, and 60s. At that time, females (especially those who got surveyed for the studies) were not generally encouraged to explore their sexuality at all until married; while makes were expected to gain weight and lose physical fitness after high school or college athletics had ended. Two developments had not yet happened: the great era of "feminine power" and the equivalent development of jogging and adult fitness interest.
In the current context, I think the survey results would be different. Nowadays, young women learn about, and get interested in, sex, much earlier than their 1950s counterparts. And many men remain fit and active much later than their 50s counterparts. So, I think a 50 year old man with an 18 year old women can BOTH be in their primes! :)
See what I'm getting at? I don't have any statistics ... but I do think that the statistics that we DO have, are suspect because of their original cultural context. We need a new Kinsey report ...
"What I would like to share with you is that we women in most cases are not ready to fall apart after 40."
That is your opinion and I think most men---both old and young would agree with you. When I was young, even a very old lady would have been fantastic----60, 70, 80-----just bring the hot oldies to me! :) Now that I'm old my desire is limited to 18 to 25 year olds. The best, imo, are 18 to 19. Yes, there is the rare exception of a 30 year old or even a 40 year old turning my eyes.
What I need is the younger woman. My ability to perform with one versus the other is the difference between night and day. Even a good looking 40 year old who is skilled and eager to please will normally find it difficult to arouse me at all. This one old lady (37) at Angels was just fantastic when it came to company or conversation and most clubbers were definitely interested in her. Mainly, I was just attempting to nicely push her away. It wasn't her fault or my fault.
She is giving me this very nice below the belt massage and she is getting upset that it is broken. I say No, it works just fine if you're 18 or 19 and super hot. She starts objecting. I see a smoking hot 20 year old who is drool city that I buy dances from. I aggressively motion her over and explain that I need her hand for a second. That was all I needed. In a second, I was like a teenage stud again and the young dancer was laughing and shaking her head. The oldster couldn't believe it. I told her that that was just the way that I was built and if she'd lose a couple decades then she'd get the same reaction.
I don't like OLD even a little bit. I don't like the make up or fancy clothes. I don't like the fake titties. I don't like upscale. I don't like music. LOL! On the plus side, I definitely know what will cause me to feel like a million dollars. A hot young woman can temporarily make me forget all my pain and health problems. It is like getting a good second start, but it just lasts for how many dances I decide to buy.
Age isn't as important as looks are...you're a hot lookin' lady Judy, but I've always liked big boobs...lol...good luck with the contests...
Who gives a fuck what two old fools like scat & clubber think...sheesh...we'd probbaly all gag if we saw what either of them really looked like...ugh...
I'm less concerned about age and more about looks and attitude. I've met some dancers that looked great but had a terrible stuck up attitude and I didn't care to have anything to do with them. Then I've met some dancers with a fantastic attitude and decent looks and I liked them afterwards. However I do pay money to attend strip clubs just to watch a lot of the time so looks are very important to me. I have to say that Book Guy is the first guy I've heard that disagrees with the statistics that guys prime time is around 18 to 25. I believe these statistics are referring to physical sexual prime time. I don't disagree with the statistics. A 20 yr old guy can get hard just watching dancers in a club. A guy in his 60's may have to take viagra to have the same effect and be helped by some of the dancers. It's not the same. There could be rare exceptions though. I read that women's physical sexual prime time is in their 30's. It just doesn't seem fair if you're a guy and around 18 to 20 because the girls aren't as interested in what you want.
Judy, 18-25 is my preference. That's because girls in this range don't sag anywhere. All my favorites have been 32 and down, but 23 seems to be the horniest age.
I don't worry too much about age. My theory is either you got it or you don't. One of the best dancers at my favorite club is in her 50's, but you don't really notice it unless you are up close.
Age is really not important, being sexy personable and a good dancer is. Sometimes I stay away from those 20 year old hotties because they define a lap dance as "sit and grind." Dancers who have been at it awhile often can hold a conversation and can dance very sexy...a little grind, a little nibble, a little touch, and very hot!
I typically prefer a girl in her late 20's to early 30's because they seem to get into the moment more effectively. Too young typically means selfabsorbed and too old means selfconscious. However, one of my ATF's is 23 and the other is 39. Both are beautiful and their sexuality is full blown. It's less age than attitude, but inexperience takes so much away from tight bodies imo. Sensuality combined with a great body makes for a memorable experience, more please!!
Just like a pro football team, a good SC needs a mix of ages/experience.
First you have the 18-20 year old rookies to provide energy and fresh blood. At this stage they may be getting by on their looks alone, and often require coaching up.
Next is the backbone of the club, the young veterans in their twenties. With several years experience under their garter, they've honed their dancing technique and developed superior hustling skills. They've learned that the mental aspect is as important, if not more important, than the physical part of the the game.
Last, but not least, every club needs a sprinkling of the seasoned vets in their thirties. These old pros may have lost a step or two, but they make up for in cunning and an unparalleled ability to get in the head of their opponents. They know all the tricks of the trade, so to speak. They are valued as much for their leadership in the locker room as their play on the field.
Finally, there are those rare individuals, who through superioir conditioning (think Jerry Rice) or sheer doggedness (think Vinny Testaverde) perform into their 40's. They are not the norm, however.
oh wow...you guys were really hard on this lady...shame on you...i have been in and out of the club for years now, there are many different types of ladies that have come and gone and all of them make money...different guys like different gals...if those are her boobs...wow you would make a killing lol..
Seriously, if they are dancing after late 20's they are very likely serious fuck ups. Then again, the ones younger than late 20's are very likely serious fuck ups as well.
"Seriously, if they are dancing after late 20's they are very likely serious fuck ups."
Or more likely they know how to have a good time. Being a good little corporate slave and following the rules imposed by your masters thinking that that is freedom or being responsible? That seems like seriously fucked up. What is worse is when the slave gets sacked and watches all those dreams go up in smoke. :(
I don't expect intelligent conversation or a sophisticated attitude from a young dancer. They just don't have the experience to know that such things are important to a dancer's overall aura. They believe that they have the luxury of getting by on good looks alone--and usually they can. An older dancer with good looks may face the burden of older guys expecting her to hold intelligent conversation and exhibit true womanly charm--not this "wanna dance" stuff. An older dancer will be expected to display a level of sophistication consistent with her age--reading newspapers and an occasional book, understanding the real world and able to talk about it. Being able to relax with a dancer who can converse at your level is a real joy. It's unfair but real--young dancers can get away with being dumb--older ones are expected to know something about the world. And looks are important--sagging sends me for the door.
I don't expect intelligent conversation or a sophisticated attitude from a young dancer. They just don't have the experience to know that such things are important to a dancer's overall aura. They believe that they have the luxury of getting by on good looks alone--and usually they can. An older dancer with good looks may face the burden of older guys expecting her to hold intelligent conversation and exhibit true womanly charm--not this "wanna dance" stuff. An older dancer will be expected to display a level of sophistication consistent with her age--reading newspapers and an occasional book, understanding the real world and able to talk about it. Being able to relax with a dancer who can converse at your level is a real joy. It's unfair but real--young dancers can get away with being dumb--older ones are expected to know something about the world. And looks are important--sagging sends me for the door.
I've found the old ones to, typically, be the biggest dumbasses/losers of them all. If they weren't don't you think they would be doing something besides stripping at that point?
If the younger ones are going to school (no for real, not their act) they can hold intelligent conversations.
Sorry, this is all too tactful for me. Age is very important. I like strippers who are under 25 best. Period. Much past that, and they better not look it, or I ain't buying. I mean, they may be very nice people and a joy to talk with but that doesn't mean I want to see them naked.
From the thread of the converssation, I guess I must be in the minority, but I really prefer older dancers. There are certainly limits, but they are usually more laid back, and certainly more aware of why we are at the clubs. Appearance is certainly a factor, but the total package is what is really important.
"If they weren't don't you think they would be doing something besides stripping at that point?"
Not if they're smart. Gee, you think being a secretary is better? I know what about a lawyer? You think law is a field where there are a bunch of happy people? A career in banking? Sounds too depressing. A real estate broker, insurance agent, police officer? For the right person stripping is an ideal job, if they need the money or not.
BTW, in research of those who won multi-million dollar lotteries most were MUCH happier before getting the money. That includes bottom rung wage slaves. Give a hundred experienced strippers $10 million each and don't be surprised if they continue the stripper lifestyle even with a bank account bursting with cash. Most people, including strippers, want the daily grind of even a seemingly "bad" jobs that they supposedly loathe. Of the people that I know it is better than 95% who are desperate to work regardless of money and regardless of profession. I had a relative crying nonstop how he wanted to retire. One week off the job and he is pleading with his employer to be rehired. He missed his fellow employees and his stupid boss and the foul customers. Did that surprise me? Not at all. And, soon he was yapping how he wished to retire yet again---which of course he was free to do, but didn't. Money wasn't an issue.
So you're saying that most strippers would rather be jerking off fat, ugly, gameless middle aged white guys for money rather than be corporate wage slaves? In fact they would going to back to doing it even if they won the lottery?
Listen.......I don't even consider myself a stripper, more a lady who wanted to fulfill a fantasy. This was a blast for me , I went out and had some fun..... I do not even need the money. I live in a six figure household.
You guys have read into this way to deep.................
But I will do it again for the thrill!!!!!!!
One thing I can say id=s the men I danced for certainly enjoyed and I had some proof of that!!!!!!!
"So you're saying that most strippers would rather be jerking off fat, ugly, gameless middle aged white guys for money rather than be corporate wage slaves? In fact they would going to back to doing it even if they won the lottery?"
Yes. Now, if you ask 'em the answer would be HELL NO! To get at the truth you need to test 'em. The closest analogy is the study of million dollar lottery winners. Those people could be cleaning toilets for a living and yet despite having millions in the bank it is back to toilet cleaning for them! :)
Strippers may deal with all manner of hate filled customers. What I learned is that different people react very differently to good treatment or hellish treatment. Imagine a super hot black stripper eager to service dirty, violent, racist, and meaner than a junk yard dog customers? Hard to imagine, but I've seen it. It ain't about the money. LOL! Not at all. This belief system that money is the be all end for everyone is just so lame. Those dancers could have made real money at Coco's. I would describe it as love of humanity and an extreme willingness to help other people at their own extreme expense and peril.
"This was a blast for me , I went out and had some fun..... I do not even need the money."
Sorry, you are only allowed to strip for the love of money. Yes, I know that is silly, but that is the rule and you don't dare wish to violate the rule. ;) There was a very wealthy white lady---smoking hot--- that danced at Angels; briefly before her life was threatened. She rejected me and other white customers, because she was into black men. Black men that she could just use and forget about. Money? She though the $5 dances were some type of demented joke especially when the poor dancer often has to pay $100 plus to club upfront for the opportunity to take her clothes off.
Gambling dancer is a perfect example of a stripper who you could give a few million dollars to and she'd be at the club getting "nasty" for the $5.
When I first met her some 8 years ago, I thought she disliked whites. She didn't want my $5. She wasn't approaching white customers for dances. In fact, mainly she was about goofing off with her buddies. Yes, I'd see her give scorching sensual dances to black customers. It was easy to see her focus wasn't on the $$$.
If you speak with her, then she'll that she is 100% just about the dollar. :) And, she'll also tell you she never worked at Angels to make money. :) Watch her in action at Angels, wasting time ignoring the dollar and paying huge fees to be there and it sorta becomes apparent that she isn't making money at Angels.
I had wrongly believed for many years that she was just a $5 ho who didn't realize that she was smoking hot. No, she definitely did realize it. She did profit from it, but in Cutler Ridge where she charged big bucks to service old white men. She says she is making so much money for doing nothing that she didn't even know how to spend the money. She grew up dirt poor and suddenly it is raining money on her for in her words just being herself. She thought it was just amazing that old white men wanted to shower money on her for just normal man woman relations. Was there some shortage of white women or did they just secretly love blacks? Whatever, she thought it was a blast. :)
One other consideration - the attractive 35+ year old is the kind of women that is still (somewhat) attracted to me in real life. If I run into one at say an upscale hotel bar, especially if I'm in my full business executive mode, I can usually manage to flirt with her, buy her a drink, etc. without her calling for security. A 22 year old would not give me a second look in the same situation. So a big part of the attraction of a strip club is having young hotties "hitting" on me.
Clubber, do NOT hold your breath. This one is already taken by this OLD dirty man. We are already making plans for my next months visit. Can you believe the Zoo?
You're a very attractive girl, and you obviously have a great attitude. Those two things are extremely important when I am selecting a dancer. Age requirements for me float between VERY young (18-19) and well seasoned (45+). You look like you would have one more happy camper in me. good luck, and I hope I stumble into the club you choose to grace again soon!
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Play with your body like the guys would like to if you let them have a LD.
Your stage dance is your billboard; make the most of it.
Where do you dance?
Just as well. Age was not her major problem.
Clubber, What is my major problem here?
I just simply wrote here to get some opinions and wham.......
and by the way thanks philip and founder!!!!
Yep, I think the posters can be too aggressive or insulting (myself included). Having said that I have zero interest in older women, but for most guys that I know it is a non issue if the woman is looking to play-----for pay or free. If grandma still wants action, then bring her on even if she is 99 and toothless seems to be the rule.
Having said that I have zero interest in older women, I should also say there are rare exceptions. The oldster who looks and acts young----very few and far between in my opinion----can attract me. Most of those will refuse to state their age generally due to negative reactions. A woman tells me, she is 40 and I'm thinking that she is ready to fall apart (maybe within the next few days) even if she is looking fantastic.
You go girl! Have some fun! Unleash your inner cougar!
AS I said when you PM'ed me, body. I go to clubs to see great bodies.
I once had an ATF in Key West that was 40, but she had a 20's body!
So, body body body. Don't sag. If you sag, get it nipped and tucked. Don't gain weight. If you gain weight, lose it. If you can't remediate the problems, don't strip (or, don't be surprised when you don't make any money, or get any positive response, when you do strip).
But this belief is rooted in the Kinsey and other sexuality studies from the 1940s, 50s, and 60s. At that time, females (especially those who got surveyed for the studies) were not generally encouraged to explore their sexuality at all until married; while makes were expected to gain weight and lose physical fitness after high school or college athletics had ended. Two developments had not yet happened: the great era of "feminine power" and the equivalent development of jogging and adult fitness interest.
In the current context, I think the survey results would be different. Nowadays, young women learn about, and get interested in, sex, much earlier than their 1950s counterparts. And many men remain fit and active much later than their 50s counterparts. So, I think a 50 year old man with an 18 year old women can BOTH be in their primes! :)
See what I'm getting at? I don't have any statistics ... but I do think that the statistics that we DO have, are suspect because of their original cultural context. We need a new Kinsey report ...
That is your opinion and I think most men---both old and young would agree with you. When I was young, even a very old lady would have been fantastic----60, 70, 80-----just bring the hot oldies to me! :) Now that I'm old my desire is limited to 18 to 25 year olds. The best, imo, are 18 to 19. Yes, there is the rare exception of a 30 year old or even a 40 year old turning my eyes.
What I need is the younger woman. My ability to perform with one versus the other is the difference between night and day. Even a good looking 40 year old who is skilled and eager to please will normally find it difficult to arouse me at all. This one old lady (37) at Angels was just fantastic when it came to company or conversation and most clubbers were definitely interested in her. Mainly, I was just attempting to nicely push her away. It wasn't her fault or my fault.
She is giving me this very nice below the belt massage and she is getting upset that it is broken. I say No, it works just fine if you're 18 or 19 and super hot. She starts objecting. I see a smoking hot 20 year old who is drool city that I buy dances from. I aggressively motion her over and explain that I need her hand for a second. That was all I needed. In a second, I was like a teenage stud again and the young dancer was laughing and shaking her head. The oldster couldn't believe it. I told her that that was just the way that I was built and if she'd lose a couple decades then she'd get the same reaction.
I don't like OLD even a little bit. I don't like the make up or fancy clothes. I don't like the fake titties. I don't like upscale. I don't like music. LOL! On the plus side, I definitely know what will cause me to feel like a million dollars. A hot young woman can temporarily make me forget all my pain and health problems. It is like getting a good second start, but it just lasts for how many dances I decide to buy.
Who gives a fuck what two old fools like scat & clubber think...sheesh...we'd probbaly all gag if we saw what either of them really looked like...ugh...
First you have the 18-20 year old rookies to provide energy and fresh blood. At this stage they may be getting by on their looks alone, and often require coaching up.
Next is the backbone of the club, the young veterans in their twenties. With several years experience under their garter, they've honed their dancing technique and developed superior hustling skills. They've learned that the mental aspect is as important, if not more important, than the physical part of the the game.
Last, but not least, every club needs a sprinkling of the seasoned vets in their thirties. These old pros may have lost a step or two, but they make up for in cunning and an unparalleled ability to get in the head of their opponents. They know all the tricks of the trade, so to speak. They are valued as much for their leadership in the locker room as their play on the field.
Finally, there are those rare individuals, who through superioir conditioning (think Jerry Rice) or sheer doggedness (think Vinny Testaverde) perform into their 40's. They are not the norm, however.
"Seriously, if they are dancing after late 20's they are very likely serious fuck ups."
Or more likely they know how to have a good time. Being a good little corporate slave and following the rules imposed by your masters thinking that that is freedom or being responsible? That seems like seriously fucked up. What is worse is when the slave gets sacked and watches all those dreams go up in smoke. :(
If the younger ones are going to school (no for real, not their act) they can hold intelligent conversations.
The old ones do seem either more intelligent or at least knowledgeable.
Not if they're smart. Gee, you think being a secretary is better? I know what about a lawyer? You think law is a field where there are a bunch of happy people? A career in banking? Sounds too depressing. A real estate broker, insurance agent, police officer? For the right person stripping is an ideal job, if they need the money or not.
BTW, in research of those who won multi-million dollar lotteries most were MUCH happier before getting the money. That includes bottom rung wage slaves. Give a hundred experienced strippers $10 million each and don't be surprised if they continue the stripper lifestyle even with a bank account bursting with cash. Most people, including strippers, want the daily grind of even a seemingly "bad" jobs that they supposedly loathe. Of the people that I know it is better than 95% who are desperate to work regardless of money and regardless of profession. I had a relative crying nonstop how he wanted to retire. One week off the job and he is pleading with his employer to be rehired. He missed his fellow employees and his stupid boss and the foul customers. Did that surprise me? Not at all. And, soon he was yapping how he wished to retire yet again---which of course he was free to do, but didn't. Money wasn't an issue.
This anti-sex mentality is depressing, imo.
You guys have read into this way to deep.................
But I will do it again for the thrill!!!!!!!
One thing I can say id=s the men I danced for certainly enjoyed and I had some proof of that!!!!!!!
Yes. Now, if you ask 'em the answer would be HELL NO! To get at the truth you need to test 'em. The closest analogy is the study of million dollar lottery winners. Those people could be cleaning toilets for a living and yet despite having millions in the bank it is back to toilet cleaning for them! :)
Strippers may deal with all manner of hate filled customers. What I learned is that different people react very differently to good treatment or hellish treatment. Imagine a super hot black stripper eager to service dirty, violent, racist, and meaner than a junk yard dog customers? Hard to imagine, but I've seen it. It ain't about the money. LOL! Not at all. This belief system that money is the be all end for everyone is just so lame. Those dancers could have made real money at Coco's. I would describe it as love of humanity and an extreme willingness to help other people at their own extreme expense and peril.
Sorry, you are only allowed to strip for the love of money. Yes, I know that is silly, but that is the rule and you don't dare wish to violate the rule. ;) There was a very wealthy white lady---smoking hot--- that danced at Angels; briefly before her life was threatened. She rejected me and other white customers, because she was into black men. Black men that she could just use and forget about. Money? She though the $5 dances were some type of demented joke especially when the poor dancer often has to pay $100 plus to club upfront for the opportunity to take her clothes off.
When I first met her some 8 years ago, I thought she disliked whites. She didn't want my $5. She wasn't approaching white customers for dances. In fact, mainly she was about goofing off with her buddies. Yes, I'd see her give scorching sensual dances to black customers. It was easy to see her focus wasn't on the $$$.
If you speak with her, then she'll that she is 100% just about the dollar. :) And, she'll also tell you she never worked at Angels to make money. :) Watch her in action at Angels, wasting time ignoring the dollar and paying huge fees to be there and it sorta becomes apparent that she isn't making money at Angels.
I had wrongly believed for many years that she was just a $5 ho who didn't realize that she was smoking hot. No, she definitely did realize it. She did profit from it, but in Cutler Ridge where she charged big bucks to service old white men. She says she is making so much money for doing nothing that she didn't even know how to spend the money. She grew up dirt poor and suddenly it is raining money on her for in her words just being herself. She thought it was just amazing that old white men wanted to shower money on her for just normal man woman relations. Was there some shortage of white women or did they just secretly love blacks? Whatever, she thought it was a blast. :)
She asked! BTW, if shawdow is unavailable and you need a replacement finger while yours is out of action, drop me a line! :)